Rangers Rumours Archive July 11 2012

11 Jul 2012 22:01:02
14 SFL clubs have indicated their intention o vote for div3 and only 2 for div1. Dundee are prohibited from voting and Airdrie are to abstain.
We will require the votes of all the undeclared clubs to get a draw and a penalty shoot out.
Unless we are airlifted into SFL1 the bottom division beckons.
This is not some romantic journey b

I fear the worst for us, suspension is coming too

It's such a definite that a vote on Friday will be for div3, if SFL at all, that they are considering delaying the vote to see if the mood improves over a further 7 days. They tried this with the SPL but they didn't fall for it and voted no to Newco.
There is a strong sense of fairness in Scotland of what is right and what is wrong. Men don't abandon dignity and integrity for cheap promises of league restructures 2 years down the road when the likes of Regan and Doncaster have moved on.

Just arrived back in Sydney this morning and went to get a coffee at the airport before my lift arrived. I got talking to a young man from Edinburgh Scotland who was waiting for his uncle to pick him up. The conversation turned to the vote this Friday. This young man told me that the vote will not be of any consequence. he is a sub editor with the Glasgow Herald Newspaper and he told me a big revelation is about to be revealed. Apparently 2 investigative journalists have been investigating the SPL vote from a couple of weeks back and have obtained the phone records of the chairmen for the two week period prior to the vote. These records show that several of the SPL chairmen received a large number of calls pertaining to be from their clubs fans and threatening boycotts, non take up of season tickets etc. if they voted the Newco into the league. The journalists have found that these calls did not in fact come from supporters of these clubs but rather a well organised and orchestrated plot to influence the original vote from supporters of another Glasgow team. They told him that several hundred calls were made from only three numbers to different chairmen, one from a pub in Ireland and two from venues in the east end of Glasgow. He also told me that four of the chairmen who voted against the newco being admitted clearly stated if this is indeed proven to be correct they will immediately demand that the vote of two weeks ago is rescinded with immediate effect and a new ballot held on the grounds that undue influence had been applied which unduly effected their ability to truthfully vote according to their fans wishes. He said the story is presently with the papers legal team and that the journalists are now investigating further evidence that will show a link to a certain organised brigade of people affiliated to a certain Glasgow club. So much for so called sporting Integrity.

Still in denial of reality - no east end conspiracy required for Rangers(ia) to die - they have commited suicide!
All we are seeing now is the vultures feasting on the rotting carcas having a nip at each other

And I thought there were no more belly laughs in this. What a load of malicious sh1t. You must really believe rangers fans are thick as pigs**t to try and promote that one.

Sure it wasn't the bar at the airport you met him in mate. Never heard bitter twisted nonsense like it, it's sad really. Someone else's fault again.

What were you drinking mate.Your on another planet.

Had you said a govan taxi driver it would have been more credible than suggesting a scottish newspaper actually doing some investigative journalism

Ok i admit it was me,i phoned from tipsy Mc stagger,s in ballygobackward,Co mayo, garlar07

Wouldn't have made any difference even if true. 10-1 is a huge majority.

Dont think you arrived back from Sydney mate i think you are just back from the moon,any excuse to have a go at Celtic, it was death by suicide caused by your own club without any involvement from any body except the SFA trying to break every rule in their own books to try and save the now dead Rangers 1872-2012.

You might be back from Australia but your heads still upside down

Excellent post, however I can only find a few flaws in an otherwise water tight story. 1. Why would Partick Thistle fans gang up on the glorious Glasgow Rangers. 2. Partick Thistle is not in the esat end of Glasgow and 3. I have no idea how an Irish pub fits into this. On an unrelated note I've heard the real story behind this is that the British government (the ones who own HMRC) sacrificed the super Glasgow Rangers to created a unionist uprising that would squash the independence vote and therefore the SNP couldn't reveal the real use for the trident submarine base. UFO's. True story. Someone just phoned me from an irish pub to tell me so.

"the now dead Rangers 1872-2012"

The now dead Rangers plc 1899-2012. The still very much alive Ranger FC 1872-2012 - regardless of which company now owns us. I can't believe how much that really bothers people...

That was me that phoned you told you you to keep it quiet,but oh no you could,nt could you,that,s it no more new,s from Mc stagger,s for you.garlar07

Get a life fella! "A certain Glasgow club" & "organised brigade". How long did you spend coming up with that p*sh?!

WATP

FFS you couldn't make that up, wait a minute you just did!

11 Jul 2012 19:32:13
Rangers agree to Ortiz departure
11 July 12 19:04

Rangers have reached an agreement with midfielder Juanma Ortiz that has seen the Spaniard's contract terminated.
The 30-year-old moved to Ibrox last summer from Almeria but returned to his former club on loan for the second half of last season.
Ortiz had agreed to have his contract switched to newco Rangers but now leaves as a free agent.
Rangers chief executive Charles Green is contesting the departure of five others who refused to join his newco.
International clearance for the transfers of Steve Davis, Kyle Lafferty, Jamie Ness, Steven Whittaker and Steven Naismith has been put on hold by the Scottish FA as Green continues to dispute the players' status.
Naismith has moved to Everton, Whittaker has signed for Norwich and Ness has joined Stoke.
Northern Irish duo Davis and Lafferty are at Southampton and Swiss side Sion respectively, while goalkeeper Allan McGregor is in talks with Turkish club Besiktas.
But Ortiz, who is expected to join Granada, will face no action from Rangers when he signs for a new club.
"The club would like to wish Juanma well for the future," Green told the club's website.
"The club will not have any objection to an International Transfer Certificate being provided by the SFA and the player has conducted himself in the correct manner."

Rumour Green let him go for free if he didn't take July wages!

Rumour Ally didn't need him.

I thought the walking away stopped last week. Is it still going on?

11 Jul 2012 16:48:28
If the 30% Scottish viewing figures for Sky subscriptions quoted on this site earlier in the week, are correct the Scottish Fan base on mass have a large degree of say on how much money is paid the way of the SPL. Presumably when the SPL went with Sentanta the Scottish viewing figures did not drop much due to everyone wanting to watch the Engligh Premier League. Thus the recent offers for Scotish Football have been low ball offers in comparison to the English Leagues (Championship, etc included)
Given the recent evidence of fan power to influence decisions in the Scottish game, could fan power to stop watching certain channels until Scottish Football gets a fairer slice of the TV money. However, more than likely that most of the so called SPL supporters are closet fans who watch English games more than they attend SPL matches.

The SPL should have thought through these consequences before ejecting Rangers. As it is, they hope Rangers will only be away from the SPL for one season so the TV money isn't lost forever. Rangers newco meanwhile are happy to start at SFL3 rather than be treated as a cash cow for the SPL.

It's a mess and the SPL wants to have both sporting integrity AND exhibition football.

Of course most watch English games, instead of the p*** we are served up here.

Example of the quality in SPL, Steve Jennings has joined a 3rd tier English team, before he would play in the CHAMPIONS LGE with Mwell.

Former ''boy wonder' in Scotland...john fleck, has loined 3rd tier Coventry.

Apart from Celtic, SPL teams are league 2 standard, and some are even conference...ICT have signed a couple of conference players to go right into 1st team, the standard is dross, and getting worse rapidly.

Considering the population of scotland is only approx 10% of London I find the figure of 30% totally unrealistic bit dont let the truth get in the way of a good scaremongering story....JohnnyG

Sky viewing figures are not based on football. A percentage of sky viewers watch football and a small percentage of those are Rangers fans.

The SPL did not eject Rangers. Rangers FC was liquidated. The new co FC is making an application as tother clubs must to join the SFA then SFL

The SPL should have thought through these consequences before ejecting Rangers. As it is, they hope Rangers will only be away from the SPL for one season so the TV money isn't lost forever. Rangers newco meanwhile are happy to start at SFL3 rather than be treated as a cash cow for the SPL.
Pure Delusion my friend. Rangers ejected themselves the minute they went into liquidation.

The SPL did not eject Rangers, they committed suicide and died, Newco tried to take their place, but failed. Now no players, no season ticket sales, an every loonie in Scotland claiming to represent the Oldco's ghost, meanwhile their friends in high places trying to shoe horn Newco into division one.Stop imanining that you have been wronged, you have not , in any shape or form, any other club would have been allowed to die and that would be that

I dont understand this whole TV money stuff. What would happen if one of the OF had a really bad season and got relegated? Would sky pull the deal then? Would the SPL change the rules to keep the team in? I would like to think they wouldnt but still since scottish football is now a laughing stock im not so certain.

Sky has over 11 million subscribers this country has population of 5 million so your saying of the 5 million people in this country 4 million has sky ?? around 85% ?? away and raffle your donuts

Do you really believe Green is "happy" to start in SFL3?

As a Rangers season ticket (still not renewed due to the present ownership being as dishonest as the previous) I will continued to subscribe to Sky Sports to watch decent football not the dross which is generally shown on Sky. ESPN subscription has been cancelled though!!

Are you missing the point of the the item above yours. It is saying that all Scottish football fans (not just Gers) have strong voice? It makes the whole scenari of Rangers fans being all powerful against Sky a sham. SKY have known from start that the numbers of armchair football fans in Scotland like watching {guess what . yes football} not just old firm thye like all especially The English Premier games. So any boycott by Rangers fans will be negligible. Bet certain bosses of SPL SFL ETC DIDNT WANT THIS LOT GETTING OUT, MAKES A MOCKERY OF THEIR DOOMSDAY SCENARIOS... FOR SCOTTISH GAME.Sky have been conning us for years ,now there's a suprise.

The SPL did not eject Rangers 1872 - 2012 it was the 11 member club directors (except Killie ) brought on mostly by pressure from the fans and as for happy to start in SFL3 the newco first need a license which they have not got yet and maybe then try and put a team together, i think at best newco will not be playing in any league in season 2012 - 2013.

"Considering the population of scotland is only 10% of London??"

OK... Population of Scotland ~5million
population of Greater London area ~7.8 million. Thats 70% not 10% near as dammit... but you were only out by a factor of 7... I've seen worse (... what was your old job, btw? Finance Officer at Rangers under SDM by any chance "-) ?)

Anyhow, population of ENGLAND is about 51million, so it is fair to say that the population of Scotland is about 10% that of England. I suspect this is what you meant...


but like you say... dont let the truth get in the way of...

Tax official with hmrc ? ,they are used to over estimating things doug t.s.o

"could fan power to stop watching certain channels until Scottish Football gets a fairer slice of the TV money"

no. How could it? its contradictory. and self-defeating.
It's like asking people not to go to the pub until there are more pubs to go to.

If Rangers have died what are you all still so obsessed about?

Why should us bears subscribe to sky sports so that the spl/sfa can benefit. div3 it will be for us.

11 Jul 2012 16:40:06
My brother in law works at Ibrox and is close to having a breakdown, my sister is not much better.
Everyone at Ibrox knows there will be wholesale redundancies only a matter of time and how many.
Serious doubts that Green has sufficient funds to pay this month's salaries. He will also have to find substantial amount to meet redudancy cost.
Metro Bank was chosen so affairs could be hidden from Scottish eyes.
He says atmosphere at Ibrox and Murray Park is tense and hostile.
Fears SFL3 will be the end for most employees .

The scale of redundancies if the newco starts in Div 3 will be massive to reflect the new turnover.

Sad times for all concerned.

Anorak.

Not sure how reliable that story is, but it certainly conveys the mood and suspicion around the Club just now.

Yes, I can't see where Green will get his working capital from either. There has been no income to speak of into Sevco so I hope Metro Bank give Green a good line in credit.

That is a shame.these people are just getting caught in the firing line.although nothing to do with them,only people to blame are those who have mis managed affairs at ibrox.now innocent parties are being made to pay for the clubs misdemeanours.very sad for the small people.artybhoy

Of course people will be layed off if we in division 3 as we won't need as many staff, that's just the way business runs. So this isn't a shock to anyone, if you didn't notice most companies in the uk are cutting staff!

I can half back this up,i was working for a carer today & they got to go to ibrox/parkhead/hamden grounds as a tour for the oldies and said it was only rangers that done it for free as if they charged them £5 like CP/hampden then they dont knowwhere the money was going.also she was talking to a lady in the kitchen area her/her mother & grandmother have worked in ibrox over the last 30 years & said its just like walking on egg shells in & around ibrox as they dont even know if they will be in a job

no BS edd just the truth

lenny

Again. I doubt your source but this reality of business life simply reinforces my belief that today's attempt by the SPL/SFA to "bribe" the SFL clubs to put us in SFL1 is to avoid the nightmare scenario of SFL3 or indeed worse. I cannot understand why some of our fans think that it is the other clubs who are driving this agenda - Those fans who are "hoping" for SFL3 are kidding themselves. The club who will suffer most will be oursleves. Stop the bravado and keep it real.

The scale of redundancies at Hall's of Broxburn will be massive also. . . . . . yet Hall's of Broxburn wasn't guilty of corruption, cheating, thieving and fraud !

Wasnt that in 94 when you wanted us dead and folk could have been made redundant good ridance to you all and enjoy your second death as sevco is going to die of a slow painful death soon as
JCGE

Green and co and just more snake oil salesmen. Thats why they have had to go to a kiddy on bank, no major bank will touch them. Only good news is when we see the back of Green and the rest of his shoddy gang!! No season ticket renewal till then.. PS 3rd Division please and lets see the fun start at some of the SPL clubs

Is no one mentioning that if we go first division there will also be large number of redundencies. Club was running at loss during administration of just over £3 million. In other words even though staff and players had taken wage cut they still couldnt make it work? which in essence means one thing! massive cuts in wages and people possibly more, such as close Murray Park and sell the parking area to private developer for hefty sum, but would Green and his backers put it all back into club? Cant see it happening, have been waiting on Green saying words like "we will have to cut our cloth to" etc etc and using the massive overheads as justification of selling parts club on? why are press not hounding this guy with questions on all this? they seem to have been fooled ( again) by his/and previous directors smokescreen .

Wish these innocent people could walk away to something better just like the disloyal players did.

Always the same, the b*stards at the top who cause the problems escape scot free back to their plush lifestyles. They have no social responsibility, they just carry on as if nothing happened. It's always the person at the bottom of the chain whose life is turned upside down.

This is very sad. People forget that innocent individuals are being affected by Ranger's troubles. But wishing them and the Club all the best.

Cardiff City fan

Can someone explain why Celtic can run at break even and we can't. When we both have similar income and overheads indeed their wage bill would have exceeded ours with their. Large squad of players ??

Can anyone tell me what wages are being taken by directors at this time and in future? looking back at our old regime i see a massive wage bill for these "guys" that love our club? if they "love " our club surley they would work for next to nothing or in fact nothing as most of them have another job anyway? I s it case of invest next to nothing and take thousands or even millions out like ALL previous directors. Has any of them ever not taken a wage? this is the true nature of putting money into gers "easy pickings" .

11 Jul 2012 15:09:11
Has McGregor signed for Besiktas? he is listed on their wiki page. {Ed052's Note - yes just to pass medical now

Miller and Boyd now McGregor, I hope it works out for him but I doubt it, what a waste!

Moving to Turkey just proves it was all about cash.

Is this the same Beskitas that's banned from Europe ? {Ed052's Note - As far as I am aware of they are banned from Europe for 1 season

Turkish crowds are some of the largest in Europe. There is a lot of money sloshing around the Turkish system. But it's such a dead end for players.

Besiktas have no European football for 1 year,and both Miller and Boyd both made a quick exit after an unsuccessful spell in Turkey.
McGregor apparently has the same agent as Miller and Boyd,but was there any interest from any other clubs?

Dont think McGregor will settle in Turkey. Its great for a holiday but that all

11 Jul 2012 10:38:43
Charles Green's £5.5m agreement to buy the assets of Rangers included a £2.75m payment to purchase the contracts and registrations of the club's players.

A report from administrators Duff and Phelps has broken down the "asset realisations" of their sale of the business to Sevco Scotland Limited. It shows Green paid for the club's employees to transfer to his company under TUPE regulatios.

Numerous players have subsequently refused to take up employment with Sevco, exercising their right under employment law to terminate their contracts.

Green has vowed to challenge those who have departed, with the Scottish FA so far having refused to issue International Transfer Certificates to allow players to complete transfers to new clubs.

It is claimed Green also paid £1.5m for "heritable properties", understood to be Ibrox Stadium, Murray Park and the Albion Road car park.

The club's member share of the Scottish Premier League and its membership of the Scottish Football Association were each sold for £1. SPL clubs subsequently refused to allow Rangers' share to be transferred to Sevco at a vote last Wednesday.

The document, issued to the old company's creditors, also outlines the six "credible" offers received for the business between April 4 and the final asset sale to Sevco on June 14.

It also claims a last minute £6m verbal offer was received for the assets of the company from a previous interested party, following the failure of Duff and Phelps to secure a Company Voluntary Arrangement. This was rejected because of a "binding, contractual agreement" with Sevco

You cannot buy a players contract.Trading in human beings(slavery) is illegal and generally frowned upon in these parts.
You can,however,buy a players registration.That's what happens when a player transfers from one club to another.
When a company is liquidated,however,contracts become null and void and an employee can refuse to transfer to a potential new company owner.Said employee will lose any pension,redundancy rights etc if they don't transfer.Doesn't mean much to the players as they're on short term deals anyway but suits the everyday staff.
When a football club is liquidated,the players registrations are retained by the governing body(SFA).They'll OK any transfer of registration to another club.

We all know Green will contest it but in the end they will be allowed to transfer at this point but the amount of people posting on here comparing transfers of contracts to human trafficking & slavery..... really? I'm not sure slaves made thousands a week or had quite that standard of living. What a ridiculous comparison get a grip! {Ed039's Note - It is a very bad comparison and I think it should stop)

If this is true then green would only be liable to pay 1.5 million to the administrators as the players didnt transfer if thats the case then i would expect the creditors to object and the liquidators to take back the assets ( which has been mentioned before as a worry )

Anyone ever read a football players contract? As far as I know, the terms for appearance money and win bonuses specify which league or competition the match is played in. i.e it is borken down to £x per SPL appearance, £y per Scot cup/league cup appearance, £z per CL appearance.

I find it highly unlikely that any of the Rangers players contracts would have had provision for the club not playing in the SPL and therefore the "same terms and coniditions" element of transferring registrations/contracts to a newco would have been irrelevant meaning an inevitable renegotiation of the terms. It's not surprising then that practically the entire squad have decided not to transfer to the newco.

Is it just me or is this whole affair now deteriorating into an unsavoury farce ?

It is impossible to predict anything positive.

Anorak.

He is contesting that he bought players contracts allowing him the sales rights of these players. This could amount to £15m+ of income. For this he paid £2.75m.

If he is correct (which I seriously doubt) Duff & Phelps need to be hung, drawn & quartered.

Shug

Remember he had guys as part of his consortium who were only interested in the buying and selling of players side and weren't interested in club shares. The players walking and dropping divisions will have totally scuppered those arrangements.

Yes finally someone has agreed that this is a FARCE. You lot have nothing for Scottish Football for years, and now all your bickering over your rightful punishment is dragging what's left of Scottish Football even further down. Please for the sake of what is left, go to D3 or hopefully even further away, and let the rest of us move onwards and upwards.

What does TUPE mean legally?
Employees who are employed in the undertaking which is being transferred have their employment transferred to the new employer. Employees can refuse to transfer (or "opt-out"), but depending on the circumstances of the case, they can lose valuable legal rights if they do. TUPE states that "all the transferor's rights, powers, duties and liabilities under or in connection with the transferring employees' contracts of employment are transferred to the transferee". This all-embracing concept encompasses rights under the contract of employment, statutory rights and continuity of employment and includes employees' rights to bring a claim against their employer for unfair dismissal, redundancy or discrimination, unpaid wages, bonuses or holidays and personal injury claims etc.
IN SIMPLE TERMS, PEOPLE HAVE RIGHT TO LEAVE ANYTIME BUT THEY CAN NOT EXPECT TO BE PAID "BACK MONEY ETC" OR TO TAKE NEW COMPANY TO COURT FOR PREVIOUS MONIES THEY FEEL THEY ARE DUE. simplzzz
How can Green not understand this ??
And as for ones who have taken the offer interesting reading as follows.
Employees therefore have the legal right to transfer to the new employer on their existing terms and conditions of employment and with all their existing employment rights and liabilities intact (although there are special provisions dealing with old age pensions under occupational pension schemes). Effectively, the new employer steps into the shoes of the old employer and it is as though the employee's contract of employment was always made with the new employer. For this reason it is essential that employers know all about the employees they might inherit if they are planning to take over a contract or buy a business and that they make sure that the contract protects them from any employment liabilities which arose before they became the employer. This is helped by the fact that the old employer is required to provide to the new employer written details of all employee rights and liabilities that will transfer .
Big part in this ? is their exsisting terms rights etc... same money same terms , if Green wishes to change he has to negoiate with players to take wage cut etc ? possibly not going to happen? agents will not allow? wonder what Ally saying to his Player/

We want div3 it's all youre greedy lot that want div1 for us to keep the money coming in. There should not be any punishments for the newco. Straight to div 3 & start again. It is the SPL/SFA that are causing this FARCE....

The Carbeth Hutters need to buy their land for £1.75M, so that's £250K more than the total value of Ibrox, Murray Park & the Albion car park to avoid Trump demolishing them.

This shows what a farce this is.

Okay, the TUPE rules have been posted to death on here (no more please) We understand them, only Green doesn't.

"Please for the sake of what is left, go to D3 or hopefully even further away, and let the rest of us move onwards and upwards."
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What planet exactly have you been living on?

90% or Rangers fans want to go to the 3rd division it is the chairmen of the other utterly hypocritical SPL clubs which want to place us in the 1st division to save your pathetic clubs.

Why can't you understand that?

Division 3 ? Be careful what you wish for, it is by no means certain that the newco could generate sufficient income to stay at Ibrox. In my opinion the sums don't add up, if both ticket prices and attendances drop then the newco may not be a commercially viable business.

Anorak.

In any other country, any other sport, any other football league, this whole saga would be over, for RFC, any associates, any association of that football club would be disbanded, confined to the history books and corrupt, fraudulent, cheating directors, board members, players and associates of that former club pursued by the law courts on criminal charges, therefore you lot should be thankful that those other corrupt, blundering idiots at the SFA and SPL are bending over backwards to accommodate the zombie re-creation of a football team in any division !

Well either it was a ...errr ... duff deal by D&P, selling something for £2.75m which actually had no value. Or Green has a point.

Can't see what he can claim per player, though. How can you say "Whittaker must be £200k, Naismith £250k" when that value of £2.75m could have been anything.

Seems to me there are two issues here, though. Employment contracts and player registration.

£2.75m for 13 players doesn't equate to overpament. What type of player can you get for £200k?

11 Jul 2012 08:23:28
is this expulsion being staged managed

will there be any football at ibrox next season

In order for it to be 'stage managed' there would need to be some clever moves and some clever minds coordinating it. At present I don't see that. All I see is confusion, people who cant make decisions as well as a lot of head scratching from the Scottish Football authorities, clubs and supporters. Seems no-one knows what to do or where it will all end.

We all have to remember that Rangers are where due to their own indiscretions. I'm a Rangers fan through and through but do feel that a one year ban from playing ANY competitive football is a distinct possibility and not in my opinion an unfair decision given the circumstances leading up to where we are today.

Very sad but we do need to deal with it as it's the previous owners of Rangers FC that have put the club in this state and we must make sure it will NEVER be repeated before we can move forward.

That just won't happen, The football authorities won't allow it. SPL need the SKY contract to save the league and remember the othe broadcasting contracts riding on Rangers being back in the SPL next season.

Look dont no why some fans think we deserve what we get end of the day us the fans have done nothing wrong its the ex owners who should be hit with fines scottish footys just a joke taking this long to decide what to do with us Rangers till i die

The fans may have 'done nothing wrong' but the club has and that's the whole point here. I really don't understand why certain people don't think the club should be punished just because the fans are not to blame! Yes, unfortunately the fans suffer as a result but wonder if you'd feel the same way if this was happening to another club. Lets face it - we'd be p*****g ourselves if it was Celtic this was happening to. :)

If you want to understand who's driving an agenda, look to see who's got most to lose and most to gain.

can think of only one club who tops both lists.

if we want a competative spl in the shortest possible time we must have rangers start from div 3.

if we want to ensure celtics domination of scottish football for the next 10-15 years, then the div 1 option will achieve that.

and in whose interest is that exactly?

Why not that's whhat we're doing right now!.....Randolph

No I think Celtic would be winning the SPL for the next few years even with Rangers there simply because Rangers can't afford as good a squad as last season. We might argue that Hearts. Motherwell and Dundee Utd have the most to gain with a chance of CL football (for which they will all go out in qualifiers anyway).

The best outcome for the rest of the SPL was a kneecapped Rangers as per the original SFA sanctions. But that's all gone now.

I'm not a Rangers fan but I think you guys are dead right with SFL3. The SPL can squirm in its own time and implode, maybe consigning a couple of other teams to SFL3 too in due course. Yes, dark days for Scottish football but perhaps necessary to go back to a decen SPL-free structure all over again. It's already happening with the SFA and SPL first bullying and blackmaining, and now grovelling to SFL clubs.

Rangers should have nothing to do with these self-interested governing bodies.

If sporting integrity suggests we go to div3 then by all means lets just go and get on with things and see what happens it may take us a few years of hell but the wait will be worth it when were back in the spl and see which clubs fall by the way side as we slowly climb the leagues as we pass them by and laugh at the so called sporting integrity they keep talking about in my opinion we should have asked for div3 when we were booted out the spl but the spl know they need us because were a cash cow still think the vote on friday will send us to div3 and watch as all the other clubs slowly die

10 Jul 2012 22:34:44
Brown gets Rangers Meeting in Jersey ,announced tommorow

More chance of brown in a retro rangers jersey next season.the guys deluded,wake up.