Rangers Rumours Archive May 10 2012

10 May 2012 22:50:28
If white sells his shares for a quid and agrees to rent back the brox to new owners and cva agreed with creditors and spl vote us back in and sfa let us off and uefa ban us for just a year and tax man is ok with this and ticketus get next three years season ticket money and we don't lose all players after Sundays season end and we sell forty thousand season tickets and if we keep our history which means we stil have sold catering rights and strip rights and the administrators sort it all by tomorrow lunch time, a think, think, we might be ok!

You are clearly bonkers!! Not even half of that will come true. Lay off the glue.

Campsie Bear

Lol, see, you were all worried about nothing!

Joeshmo1888

If a cva is agreed then the SPL wouldn't need to vote us back in as we would be remaining (for the time being) in the SPL (with additional points deductions if we start next season still in administration - not sure but I think it is 25 points if that is the case?). Otherwise you have summed up all my worries in a nutshell.

Anyone else heard the radio ad advertising that the kit for next season is out soon? Maybe JJB think its a done deal, lol? Would have to be a CVA though or the badge, along with the history, will be gone.

Brian

To the first poster:

Priceless mate, I haven't stopped laughing since I read it. If carlsberg did dreams.............................. Quality.

Are u dayin that wen &if 1 of these 2 bidders gets there hands on whytes 85% shares in rangers (which is all of his shares) then the new owers will not own ibrox??

I think whyte should rent it back to us for nothing ,then again does the shares not include everything belonging to rangers ,even the arsenal shares ,i would like the new owner to try and buy back the arsenal shares ,they should have never been sold in the 1st place doug t.s.o

I really hope that post was funny on purpose, absolute genuis! Best post iv read in a while dont even care if it was one of them that wrote it.
Class

Nice one looking good for the future we are back roll on next season we will be even stronger great news

If someone buys Craig Whytes shares for the nominal fee of £1, then they own the club, this includes Ibrox and the training ground, and if a stand alone CVA is agreed which is what TBK/Brian Kennedy and the London Consortium want, we will not need to reapply to the SPL we will still be in it as normal, if we manage to exit administration before the start of next season....which would be likely if we get a buyer at the weekend, we would start the season as normal without any points deductions, if we are still in administration its an automatic 10 points deduction again....the 25 points was only givin to Dundee F.C because they had entered administration twice in 5 years. We only need to Reapply to the SPL if a New Company (newco) was formed therefore relinquishing the current Rangers F.C from there place in the SFL and SPL, (what Bill Miller was wanting to do). Hope this has cleared it up for the original poster.

To the op rangers might be ok in the future but you wont im afraid mark.

10 May 2012 21:52:56
Duff and Phelps, the administrators at Rangers Football Club, issued the following statement today.

Paul Clark, joint administrator, said: "We have continued discussions today with the parties remaining in the bidding process and good progress has been made.

"We can also confirm that Craig Whyte has confirmed that he will transfer his shareholding in Rangers Football Club to two of the parties and has indicated he would not be an impediment to a sale of the Club.

"We will issue a further update for supporters tomorrow and can say that every effort is being made to conclude the sale of the Club as quickly as possible."

So what' about CW transferring the floating charge? As usual, a D&P statement that leaves you with more questions than answers.

Alas, I smell a Typical D&P sh!t blizzard! The clue is in the 'Whyte is willing to sell to two of the parties". My worry is just that, he will probably physically attempt to sell to BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. Let's face it 'His word is his bond" isn't something you could associate with CW.

Don't believe a word of what comes out their mouths.

Thank god some of you are starting to see through Duff and Duffer, they were appointed by Whyte for Whyte and his dream is to own a club with no debt so that he can sell it on at a huge profit. These fake stories are and have always been a decoy. Down to Division 3 and rebuild a team for the future.

Why all the negative d and p have done a great job keeping the club alive and are trying their best they only want the best bid for the club as we are begining to see we are lucky we were not closed down weeks ago give the guys a bit of credit

10 May 2012 19:49:48

The new group contains figures who have been in involved at chief executive and chairman level at English Premier League and Championship clubs in the past and Whyte believes they are the only serious bidders.

Don't shoot the messenger!

Its Doug Ellis, former Aston Villa owner

Must be that wee feeder in Engerlund club that he gave the 250k to !

Here is something that just dawned on me...could it be that Whyte went down this road of getting all the finances out in the open as he realized when taking over how bad it really was financially, that he may have been duped by SDM? that he thought well this is going to come back and bite us eventually, so lets get it done and sorted so we can move on? then i guess he did not take into account the glasgow media maphia would react so nastily towards him and protect SDM, hense the reason he is getting rid of the shares as quickly as he can as he knows he has no future with the club, but who he gives it too could in fact be able to finance the mess he found from SDM.....I guess only time will tell.

Not sure if it was reliable, but somebody told me ages ago that SDM paid Whyte a large sum of money to take the flak for the fall that he knew was imminent.

To not sure if it was - if that is found to be the case I think the polis will be knocking on both their doors shortly!

10 May 2012 19:03:59
So I just heard No Walter ,No Souness.I wish the papers would stop printing s**te..Listening to Radio Snyde They are saying they spoke with whyte today and he send about the shares .Not as simple as that ?

CW has said it's dependant on achieving a stand alone CVA. press being selective on what parts are being reported building up the Bears' hopes.

Doesn't matter if it's no souness or smith. At least this consortium sounds line they have money. Also saying on sky jst now that whyte will transfer his shares(not sell) to 2 of the parties that are bidding. This at the very least sounds like a step forward. We need a buyer very soon or it won't jst be liquidation of our club that we'll have to worry about because it won't b here. I've not really payed much attention to the nonsense going on as until things are signed and sealed we were still in the same situation. I'll only ever support the RANGERS no matter what, if it's a newco or what ever else I WILL always b there to give my backing. I'm a normal hard working guy, mediocre wages, yet still put £500 into the RFF and that's a lot to my family. I thought so many more supporters wld have put there money where there mouths are. This hasn't happened so it's a waiting and hoping for the best scenario.....

The Scottish MSM have only one agenda: their own survival. They desperately want to keep their jobs and so they are happy to peddle any old rubbish( usually supplied to them by Dumb and Dimmer)to gllible rangers fans to sell newspapers.
If rangers go belly up, their newspapers will quickly follow suit.
Their circulation will collaspe, and with no rangers stories to exclusively reveal lamb will definitely be off the menu.
If you want the hard facts about the sad reality of the situation read Alex Thomson's blog and others, and don't pay attention to the lies coming from the MSM.

10 May 2012 17:11:47
Said on TV that English consortium been involved with an epl team, different from last night when stated Scottish football connections. I can't think of anyone, any ideas?

As long as its not anyone who was involved with portsmouth ...lol

Knowing our run of good fortune & Duff & Phelps incompetence probably 1 of portsmouths former owners. Who'll in turn bring in Sven Goran Eriksson as manager. I shouldn't be writing this probably true :-(

The only name that I can think of is Milan Mandric

SPM

Joe Lewis and Dan levy ENIC international ltd

Hicks & Gillette anyone?

nr85

Daniel levy is the chairmen on tottenham hotspur? honestly folk talk pure pi55 on here

Enic international ltd, own spurs with daniel levy being a partner in enic with joe lewis, yes he is the chairman of spurs, but why would it be pi55 to suggest enic could be in for rangers?

Bernie Eccleston? I note the comment made by the poster about involvement with an EPl team and Scottish Football connections - Funny emough Joe Lewis fits the bill on both counts. Remember AEG wanted to buy HIS share in Spurs......

I hope its not that risdale fella who sunk leeds ?

John Madejski? sold his 51% shareholding in reading to wealthy russian family recently for £40mil, staying on as chairman for 2 years but this is probably just to advise new owners i would think and wouldn't hinder him as they are not in same league and unlikely to meet in europe!

Just a thought.

Here's one folks - did anyone pick up on the fact that the statements made by D&P yesterday were put out by a female senior partner based in MANCHESTER? Who do you know in Manchester in the EPL and also has links with Rangers? Who do you know is about to complete 25 years in the EPL and knows that his club can no longer compete financially with the 'noisy neighbours'?

David Whitehouse is a partner at the Manchester office of D&P ya eejit. This is his admin office!

I know for a fact that the consortium consists of at least 8 members known in British sport (not just football).. From what I hear, Sounass was one, Stephen Hendry another, Ex Portsmouth Chairman whatever that tossers name is and the other one I heard was as mentioned in every other bid, Bill Kenedy.. Not for minute am I saying this is true but I've heard from some reliable people who have no reason to lie.. My source came at a corporate do I have been at in Swansea, I also heard Cardiff Re the next team to reveal massive debts.. Only consortiums will buy Rangers.. Party of 8 are people who've vented interest.. Whatever happens, always remember WATP.. Take care.. NS

To I know for a fact what are your motives for such an inate statement ' I know for a fact.......Not for minute am I saying this is true.......Whatever happens, always remember WATP....AHHHHHHHH silly me, it has all become clear!

10 May 2012 16:29:45
Brian Kennedy insists the Blue Knights' bid for Rangers stands and he has been informed he will hear by Friday morning whether it can proceed.
Kennedy says his lawyer held a meeting with administrator Duff & Phelps and was told it would "revert to us with an answer one way or the other" by Friday.
The offer is the same as the one beaten to preferred bidder status by Bill Miller last week.
"To clarify, we were asked to get to a quantum, which we did," said Kennedy.
"And, having been told it was acceptable, we made a written offer."
More to follow....jsm

1.5m cash - on yer bike! Even Bng coming in with half his last offer still beats TBK/Kenneddy bid. More free publicity for Kennedy.

10 May 2012 16:17:18
emmm was it mid day or midnight the administrators where making a statement today lol....jsm

It wuz aye but they didnay say wat year ;( Lee.

10 May 2012 15:27:41
Just a poser, is it believable that Whyte is going to hand over everything, walk away with nothing and then wait for ticketus to sue him (as personal guarantor ) for £30M. Got to be more to it than that!

I agree, if CW sells his shares for £1 as suggested then he is effectively down £26M. If through the CVA Ticketus only receive several million, they will undoubtedly chase CW for the rest.

Either these guarantees are not personal (as reported) but against a company he is happy to liquidate or he will have to declare himself bankrupt.

Or he will retain the rights to Ibrox / Murray Park and the Albion.

Surely White would not give up his shares unless the "preferred charge" to Ticketus was transferred over to Rangers? The shares are his only bargaining chip.

Never gonna happen THE WHYTE KNIGHT will walk away loaded up to the hilt

I think Ticketus are involved in the consortium, they have delivered Whyte's shares in return for them not taking any legal action against him ....... Big Dave

He must have had something over and above his £1 offered to him. There is absolutely no reason for him to sell otherwise (unless he really needs that £1 !!)

I think Ticketus are involved in the consortium, they have delivered Whyte's shares in return for them not taking any legal action against him ....... Big Dave
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If you read Thompson's latest blog, Ticketus have categorically stated that they are involved in no bids whatsoever

He will give up the shares if a CVA is agreed. This is what folk are missing. A CVA will get him off of all or most of his liability to Ticketus. At prsent Rangers owe Ticketus but Whyte is guarantor if Rangers cant pay. If they do pay via CVA or honour the deal going forward then Whyte wont be sued. Thats why he'll sell for £1 IF a CVa is agreed. Then theres his floating charge. Thats another story!

10 May 2012 14:37:05
Listen you all read D&P's comments
about one of the bidders having a
Rangers connection and put 2 and
2 together and came up wae
Souness...chill out !

it wont be long now all will be revealed

Waiting game is the killer mate. Nearly 90 days since administration. Us fans deserve to know who potentially maybe takeover our great club. We have been out on force every week at Ibrox and anywhere else. Don't get me wrong I've loved the amposphere at the games. But now is the time to tell us wtf is going on. Hope it's not another trick to string us along.

John1glasgow

Aye? a Rangers connection?.......Ticketus have a Rangers connection!........while D&P top up their pension!.......talk about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic....just TELL US WHO THEY ARE!

10 May 2012 14:29:26
Dont be in the least bit surprised if
Ticketus are not involved in some
shape of form with this UK based
consortium bid. There threat to sue
Whyte has done the trick and this
is the reason why he is selling his
shares for a quid in return for no
legal action being taken, Ticketus
will then have a deal in place with the new
consortium to recoup some of their
investment as they know going
chasing whyte who could declare
himself bankrupt would mean they
get nothing..watch this space !

That sounds about right. The deal will be structured in a similar way to the one they had with TBK before they pulled out. Ticketus will put working capital in up front. Liquidation was never an option as the assets are worth very little in liquidation.

10 May 2012 13:38:07
Some of the papers saying that Souness and Walter are involved in this mystery new UK bid - this is the stuff of dreams, i hope its true. I think Neil Lennon would be so scared of potentially facing Souness, he may resign over the summer rather than deal with an angry tashmeister or Sir Walter again.

Grow up what age are you Why would Lennon be scared. Sourness doesn't even have a tache now... Stupid post why did I even reply ?

OH my god! The Lennon obsession again.You ever thought walter legged it cos Lenny had his measure?

So your mickey mouse club is in melt down. You have no money, unable to pay wages, players leaving and unable to sign more, about to be fined millions, facing more sanctions for cheating and you wanna have a go at Neil lennon. What a Muppet you are an embarrassment

Lol keep dreaming billy, only side o Glasgow not walking away is green, the big hoose is closing.

Tashmeister? Really? Lol

Jelly n ice cream

Let's face facts - this is not going to happen. Souness not interested in return to Rangers.

Who would trust these 2 EVEN if the rumours are true? watty is one of the main reasons you are in this mess! PS souness has already been on the bbc & said he has no knowledge of this D&P cr@p.

You ever thought walter legged it cos Lenny had his measure

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smith beat lennon as manager more times than lennon won so how can lennon the measure . jesus one league title and yu think the guy is a god

Was a msytery to souness at least

Ha ha ha oh the timmys are panicking big time, wont be long before you are back where you belong - Scotlands runners up.

Why would NL be scared, would they start spending MORE money they don`t have?

To the post 2 above - so Smith beat Lennon as a manager eh!

I think you will find they faced each other 8 times

The record is Lennon 4 wins Smith 2 wins and 2 draws

So yes Lennon did have the measure of Smith!

The main reason we ended runners up was due to rangers cheating via financial doping. I suspect this isnt an option any more for rangers.

Only hearing what yous want to hear. Dp say potential bidder have rangers connections and automatically assume souness. Then souness is on record saying he had no idea of a consortium and has no intention of a return to rangers? Clutching the straws young Williams lol.

Timmy is pyoor beelin' about the above post! Face it, Lemon would run a mile than come face to face with Souness, never mind Sir Walter 'hammer of the celts' again - FACT, SIMPLES, FACT AGAIN.

Yes I'm sure Lenny is going to run away scared from a knackered Rangers team.

By all means brig Grandma Smith back and we'll see how he does on a level playing field.

Please remind me how many titles has smith won fairly, ie without the use of ebt,s/dual contracts

Sir Walter* 'hammer of the celts'

*note: walter smith had the benefit of funds other teams used to pay the taxman.

you want to consider the following as the men who broke the gers:

Fergus mcann, Dermot Desmond & peter lawell - ensured excellent financial housekeeping.

Tommy burns - his excellent, legally funded team forced rangers to keep spending.

Wim Jansen - bought henrik larsson. enough said

Henrik Larsson - enough said
Martin O'Neill - forced rangers to spend even more

and finally - D murray, Dick advocaat, Walter, Ally mcoist - his inability to win anything & qualify for the CL. And Craig Whyte. they all played their part.

LoL....

You mention Fergus McCann, the man who the greatest fans in the world booed (after he saved you're club,built you a new stadium,gave you a financial stable footing,funded a team to stop 10 in a row)
While he was unfurling you're first championship flag for 10 years...

Short memories bhoys....

Fergus McCann was bood because the simpering Murray lickspittles in the Daily Rectum were writing about the 'buscuit tin' mentality at Celtic and how McCann was being too tight to spend any money on players when they should have been hailing his sustainable spending.

Rangers fans arent the only ones who were misinformed by the MSM

To mr FACT AGAIN I reckon Lenny would love Walter Smith back at RFC to see how he does without loaded dice.

I was at the match when fergus was booed,it was probably a quarter of the ground. I was emabarrassed to call them celtic fans - but they were.end of day not all fans have the intellect to go beyond tabloid cac & unfortunately thats what shapes their opinions.

I did mention fergus as I (tho not all celtic fans) recognise his pragamatic financial management. not sure if that fact that some thickos booed him changes that?

10 May 2012 13:14:52
Souness denies any link to Rangers bids! Its all i have heard today, Souness is back! Once again its all lies Who makes this sick stuff up?

SounessesThighs.

Excitement is high and certainty is low. Doesn't take much of a rumour to go viral. Smith was probably just the first name someone thought of when Whitehouse said "someone popular with fans". Souness was probably the first name someone else thought of. Pure speculation, although those two were the most likely I suppose.

If you were on the administration gravy train would you not be inventive to keep it going?

10 May 2012 10:43:02
Craig Whyte to give up shares for £1 but gets to keep Ibrox Murry Park & Car Park, which he will lease to UK consortium then use the lease money to pay back Ticketus through sale of season tickets, It's messy but it may just work!

Sounesses Thighs.

If that is indeed the case, we then have to move on to the next big problem of HMRC.

Ibrox, Murray Park & the Albion car park are owned by the club. If Whyte gives up his shares how does he get to keep assets of the club he would no longer own?

His shares not his floating charge which is a completely different thing.whyte is going to get every penny (not as much as he thought) out of the rangers fans by leasing Ibrox & MP back to those that will charge the lifeblood of the club(the fans)to pay for it. Shame on him and im a CFC supporter but my bro in law is at the end of his tether with whyte.
David murray!!! well I will leave him to yous to decide, but i hope to be exchanging banter with yous next season

If this is true then CW has brokered an excellent deal for himself.

However he'll have to fight HMRC and the creditors to keep those assets.

Why did Ticketus not do this and put pressure on Whyte from the start? It would have got the ball rolling earlier. Ticketus must know more than us? more chance of a return from Whyte than a liquidated club!

Dont get too excited. Reading the whole article, it states that HMRC will want to run the rule over any prospective buyers, Since Murray, Souness and Smith were all part of the alleged EBT,s they could say "not on your nellie" therefore Duff & Phelps continue on raking in lots more expenses, what do you think.

I would take Whyte back into the fold if it means our club is saved!

I doubt if HMRC would object on the basis of EBT history. They just want their money. (Taxpayers money).

Whitey will want 3 million a year in rental income so another big hole in long term funding

Whyte may be trying to get back in some way but SFA would put a stop to that.

No chance. Whyte's floating charge has been set aside by D&P. Why would he be allowed to transfer £120million of assets (book value) to himself. I don't doubt that Whyte would love to make a deal like that, but then reality kicks in

And who would own the stadium and murray park if ticketus were eventually paid off , craig whyte?, if so then what?, rangers would still be under his thumb,fancy that?

I do not believe this for a second.

Unless an agreement is in place that we get the assets back once the £30m is paid then IMO this wont happen.

Also if he rents us the stadium, the tickets are nothing to do with him. Why would you pay rent on a house and then pay a mortgage aswell. If we lease it, all he would get was the lease money. We get to keep ticket money.

However as mentioned above, I dont believe this is the deal. However I like everyone else dont know facts, an TBH christ knows what this duff an duffer are playing at!

10 May 2012 09:49:34
Whyte has agreed to sell his shares
for a quid to the group led by
Walter Smith.

Looks like timmy hasn't seen the
last of the man that's got the
beating of them.

WATP

. The great surnameless one returns. Aye, he's gonna head up a team that's broke because he played a hand in causing it. Wonder if he's gonna work for free seeing as he had an EBT. Get a grip!!

I think they call it cheating ,and have you lost your memory this is the bloke who ran out the door as soon as he clicked on it was comming on top ,i have no dout that rangers are in the sh=t when peaple like you are to do with any thing even comments on this page ,every time walter won any cup it was tarnished or shall we just call it theift

And your daft enough not to rememeber that his and dicks spending killed you off !

Do you mean the guy that bought Jelavic that he knew he couldn't afford and brought a team all on EBT's to UFEA cup final. Aye he's good alright. Cheerio Cheerio Cheerio Celtichampions and we have payed our taxes Bigirishmac

Here we go the WATP muppets have returned, fair weather supporters

Yeah Timmy is delighted that the great business entrepreneur Watty is leading the consortium...this is not football management, this is business. You guys really are so naieve...we are pissing ourselves with laughter

I believe that Walter is a great family man who loves his children and grandchildren and would hold the same values as Bill Miller - will he squander his money away on Rangers?

You truly are a muppet. Your team is vying for its life and all you can do is fantasise about a manager who hasnt managed a club for years. As if he will want to be associated Witt this lot just now. Behave yourself.

Walter Smiths spending did not kill us off. Smith is only a manager the board sanction signings. As for jelavic he was affordable money was paid on agreed dates until final payment which was not paid by Craig Whyte at the time of the signing lloyds was running Rangers and would not have sanctioned the signing if unpayable. As for talk of taking away titles is irrelevant unless double contracts are proved.

Re Muppet comment......The guy that posted wrote Walter Smith he managed last season you MUG... Learn to read before being sarcastic.....

Back to the arrogant posts "WATP", my god do you guys ever learn...obviously not. You lot really are the most obnoxious set of fans on the planet and the sad thing is that you will probably be actually quite proud of that...sigh

He didnt have the head to head beating of neil lennon

Re Re Muppet comment: I think he was refering to Souness, not Walter (Legned) Smith.
Al

Lets see how Smith does against Lenny when he only has money that the club can afford to spend for new signings. Rangers couldnt afford Jelavic clearly as they still owe Rapid Vienna money for him.

ON games Lennons team has smashed Smiths... FACT

10 May 2012 00:40:23
Seems to be a lot of rumours that Souness is involved. Wealthy as he is he does not have the money we need. I would think that it is likely to be involved with Brian Kennedy, he is big pals.
However that does not meet the statement that well known in Scotland. They would not describe Kennedy as that.
Duff and Phelps seem to suggest that they have the finances to do a deal, that would also suggest not Kennedy, as his bids have been low up to now.
I wonder if McColl is involved. He has stated that he would not get involved, but maybe the reality is that his team would die.
I know it is impossible to make money owning a club, especially in Scotland. I know people will say that the reason that he has all his money is because he doesn't waste money. That is true but if I was in his position I really believe I would get involved, apparently his fortune rose £150m last year alone to take him to a billion. If he spends £50 or £100m, so what he still has £900m. What do you do with £900m?
This is wishful thinking, I know, but it's nice to go to kip with nice thoughts.

Souness has already said that he has nothing to do with it. It is Duff and Phelps just prolonging the process again, They cant get a bid sorted before the weekend, its impossible. Also another media nonsense saying the Watty is in as well. The media are playing us for fools.

This is a difficult deal, and being badly managed. Unless there is sign of a euro-league or a brand fit that opens up Asia market, what are the long-term prospects weighted up against the debt and reputation damage being done. Even people with money will baulk at this deal; it would take massive management to turn this around. If you had the money, would you really want the hassle? Fans co-operative is the only way..otherwise it's Liquidation.

10 May 2012 00:01:37
souness to return and whyte will sell his shares for a pound they have written documents wats he up 2

So we are now into blackmail too, great

1st he wanted 2 seats on the new board and millions of pounds NOW he will sell for a £1 as jim royal would say MY AR@E

Blackmail how?

I would take souness back in a heart beat. Souness and coisty.... cva.... has christmas come early?

What's who up to? CW seems to have thrown in the towel. And if the Souness story is correct then I really think he's in it for the football. Just hope he knows what he's doing.

In an historical sense was Souness not part of the over-spending problems of the Sir David Murray era!

This is not happening. No Souness and no giving up of shares. This is Duff and Duffer at their tricks again. Souness has already denied it.