Rangers Rumours Archive March 10 2012

10 Mar 2012 23:31:48
dont know if this is true or not but my dad told me jim trainor was on radio clyde saying the blue knights isnt the favoured option theres a guy that money doesnt mean anything to him(multi billionaire) the administrators are ment to talk to him next week want to know if any of u have heard about it?
AndyBear98 {Ed001's Note - probably means Anschluss (I think that is the correct spelling!).}

Whats that mean AndyBear98 {Ed001's Note - Philip Anschluss of AEG.}

Who is he then? {Ed001's Note - I mispelt it sorry, Anschutz it is. He was one of the founders of the MLS and owns a number of the teams. AEG is his company.}

Nothing will happen to after the big tax case and the subsequent liquidation. You are talking 100 million just to clear the decks. no serious businessman will contemplate that figure.

As i have said before on here,blue knights white knight barron knights are these the ones you want to run your club ffs they all shafted you in the past have you not herd of FAN POWER never mind your red and black scarves to say you dont want white back tell all the old board you dont want any of them back, we are calling you tax dodgers,pay no one dot com,we only care about ourselves brigade, and you want to let the back in get a grip the way ahead is clear fans own 51% no less or take liquidation and then the club b

AEG(Anschutlz Entertainment Group) have inquired about purchasing Rangers you are absolutely correct. What's your next point ?

Ed i think he means Philip Anschutz the owner of AEG maybe wrong. {Ed001's Note - that's who I meant as well! Normally I would look it up if I didn't know how to spell it, sorry.}

Wont be Anschluss as that was the occupation and annexation of Austria into Nazi Germany in 1938.

but i can only think u mean Philip Anschutz the owner of AEG. think that would be a dream owner for most gers.. {Ed001's Note - yes, I know, I realised as soon as I typed it I had it wrong, but just couldn't for the life of me think what the correct spelling was. At least I know why I thought of Anschluss, I was just reading some stuff regarding WW2 today, must have stuck in my mind. I should have checked, I normally would.}

Philip Anschutz, Forbes ranks him the 34th richest person in the U.S. with an estimated net worth of $7 billion as of October 2010. Go go big phil :D

That would be the American Entertainment Group owned by Annschutz who own over 100 stadiums including 02ARENA and are building Farmers Field stadium in LA at a cost of $1.2 billion and 12 stadiums in China they did own3mls sides but currently own LA Galaxy and major share in LA Lakers also own rights for many of the Hollywood Blockbusters and recently they threatened to sue the ROI for several TRILLION DOLLARS (article was posted in do the bouncy.com months ago ) unless they changed their laws ROI immediately backed down and changed law SERIOUSLY SERIOUS MONEY if they want Rangers nobody else has an earthly chance

Poor ed relax have a coffee we all stressed out our nut we will call it a typo ed lol {Ed001's Note - yeah, I know, but I don't usually do typos!}

This guy is minted good if he bought the club but let the fans own the majority

We've been owned by a rich guy before (Murray) look where that got us - up the creek without a paddle

Why don't the fans take up the majority shareholding in the club rather than looking for wealthy "sugar daddy's". the spl is a black hole if this guy puts �100 million into the club for the debts that are hypothetical at the moment, he'll never get it back no sane man short of an oil baron is going to put that kind if money in.

Why is everyone assuming we're going to lose the big tax case? I don't think we will and we certainly won't face the full �50m if we do lose. It'll be �25m max, plus the �15m Whyte has run up. With CVA at 60p in the �, we'll probably end up paying �24m max to HMRC.

Ticketus will lose their claim to own the next 4 years' season tickets and will have to go after Whyte for the money (-a lost cause !).

Rangers have no Bank debt now, so once the tax bill has been settled and smaller creditors paid, we will be debt free and looking in a strong financial position going forward.

The future's bright .... The future's orange !

WATP

This guy dodging tax all over the place to think all these guys are the same

Where does this �100 million figure come from ?. Not lost the tax case yet, and the ticketus money is an advance of season tickets which will be cleared in 3 years. I think after all becomes clearer we will find that the figure will be nowhere near�100 million.

Its how much this clown whyte wants tho by savin the club were saving this clowns shares

Philip Anschutz didn't become the USAs 34th richest man by being stoopid!

Anschutz and rangers? Really, just stop it. I'm not even mentioning his name again associated with this. It clearly a smokescreen to flush out an idiot who will think oh if he's interested there must be something in it!

The �50million big tax case is very certain for HMRC considering the Sun putting forth real second contracts. Despite the shredding at Ibrox. Agents and players all have their copies. HMRC will appeal, if not , and immediate payments have to be made!

Tray or has always been a good gers man. He has had to appear as a neutral for his journalistic integrity, which was always difficult for him to balance. This saga has unfortunately made him slip his veil more than a few times, but always a bear.

The 47 million lottery winner gave his mate a million with no thought of making any money of it with the exeption on the intrest his other 46 mill will make him in the bank. This works out at about 2% of his net worth( I'm sure he wont miss that)
If and I say a BIG if Philip Anschutz was to put in 100 million to purchase Rangers it would equate to about 2% of his net worth, which equates to a fan paying 2% of his �25000 a year salary for his seaon ticket mmmmmmm

10 Mar 2012 21:43:57
At least two Rangers players have their house up for sale.Are you waking up to the fact that Rangers only have a stay of execution?whyte holds all the aces in this game,D & P are his choice of administrators why? cos they are interlinked by directorships. Nothing illegal,they are too clever.This is what they do.Liquidation is a cert.Before you start your timmy stuff,the players are a midfielder and a keeper.

Suspect you could be right. Research Ticketus, owned by Octopus who seem to specialise in dodgy but legal tax doge schemes

Wheres you proof on this?

The goalkeeper you mention, doesn't happen to be the same goalkeeper that has just bought a bigger house in the ML postcode, rather than the flat in the west end,due to his recent birth of his first child? Aye tough times

Our survey says EH EH. The press would have got a hold of houses for sale.

If its Legal then theres no danger!

Nais & McShagger persay?

Well Alexander and Davis stay almost next door to each other , fook 2 houses in the same street, i was gone to say the poor neighbours, but they are nae gonna be poor so i wont ;-)

Would the keeper be Alexander? The house he's had up for sale in bearsden for the past year

Its not a secret that mcgregor has just bought a new house just outside glasgow as they have a baby and got a brand new family house and have there old house in west end up for sale.

Down from 30G to 7.5 grand a week.
I think a mortgage will be affordable!!
Plus the savings he has... so Nonsense!

You sound as though you're hurting, Timothy.

Davis and alexander

Shagger house been on the market for a while, it was in the papers a few weeks ago.

Please wake up folks, the days of Rangers paying players 15-25k per week are over. All the high earners will be sold by the administrator or by any new owner at the end of the season.
Regardess of all the dodgy dealings, RFC had an operating loss of 10 million per year. No new owner is going to carry on as if nothing happened.

We only had a loss of 9-10 mill per yr fae craig whyte tane over the 9 mill tax bill un accounted fur anyone at knows how to run a club isnae gonna fire oer best players n keep the duff wans fs wisen up no point buyin a club to strip there best players n achieve nothing

Well it's not mcGregors house that's up for sale! As the flat he lived in, in the West End, he only rented. If its up for sale it isn't up for sale by him!

If Rangers were operating profitably then there would be a 9 million pound surplus in the bank account due to unpaid tax and no need to call in the administrators. The reason he didn't pay the tax was because Rangers needed the money to continue trading.
I find it incredible there are still Rangers fans refusing to accept reality despite nearly being liquidated, it can not afford to pay wages beyond what it earns, its simple.

The high wage earners will be sold.

To the post about needing the 9 million to stay afloat and not paying taxes the 9 million never got spent on rangers it went into whytes pocket along with other monies mark.

If you collect 9 million in tax and keep it to yourself then you go to jail, it is called fraud. If you collect 9 mllion in tax and use it to prop up your business then it is not fraud and you do not go to jail.

C Whyte did not pocket the 9 million, he used it to trade instead of putting in his own money, its not illegal, just unethical.

RFC is a loss making business, get over it and deal with it, there will be no group of 15-25k players next season.

As far as i was aware rangers have made the cuts to allow rangers to continue and thought quite alot of the money that came into rangers are still to be tracked down but i could be wrong? ed. {Ed001's Note - there is still money to be tracked down and the club has gone a long way towards being able to see out the season. But it is no more than that so far.}

10 Mar 2012 20:33:36
read on teletext yesterday and advocaat was claiming its not his fault rangers are in this mess and its claimed he spent only 36 millon in 4 years at rangers, well he was talking sh..e, kanchelskis 5.5,numan,5,van bronckhorst 5.5,de boer 4.5,ball,6.5,guivarch 3.5, mols 4,amato 4, mccann 2, ricksen 4,arvaladze,3.5,tugay,2,renya2,,charbonnir,2.5,prodan 2.5, and then flo 12. some 36 millon that is try more like 69 millon and thats not all the players and include murray park. this guy has ruined us

It was great when you were winning now that man has is part of you downfall payback is a bitch b

Yeah he maybe spent the funds but I think you need to look at who gave him the funds to buy the players if you want to place blame. He hardly held anyone at gunpoint to get the funds for players did he?!

Why on earth would it be Advocaat's fault? I'm obviously missing something?! If the chairman and the board gives money for players, regardless of how much, then the manager isn't going to say no. Are they? Afterall, some of these players not only added to Rangers success, but have been some of the best Rangers players ever. Some people need to think before they post I think? J

Teletext !! Is that still on ? Stop livng in the past ..Move on.

He spent 36 mill in 1st year it said not all the years he was in charge


TB

David Murray was signing the cheques this is his fault and no one else's

When Advocatt took over from Wattie,
We lost a lot of the 9 in a row players.
Remember the wee general also sold players, eight in total from his first championship winning side, so the 36 million pound (net total) figure might be more accurate than you think.
Stevie-A-Bear

Dont talk sh!te.he didnt sign prodan.

Who sanctioned those players? Yes, that's correct it was Mr David Murray.

Haha, teletext, what was the next story that Labour just won the election.

Advocaat was signing big players when we had big income from the champions league and more importantly SKY. The SKY contracts back then were worth a fortune and when the SPL gt greedy and lost the contract everyone was up in the air as we had all overspent and all assumed this money would be there indefinitely

Marcus gayle ????

I remember he signed a black striker from england(sorry cant remember his name) and he had never seen him play he cost �1.2 million. think he only played one game for gers. Shocking waste of money.How times have changed. Eddie E.

Prodan was signed in 98 dick came in 98 but dont know if he did sign him but think he did


TB

Look bears this is the past gone stop blaming people looks todays mess and demand answers

Advocatt built a brilliant team who played some of the best football ive seen at ibrox, murray signed the cheques

That was the problem guys david murry was not signing the cheques ..the tax man was

HBOS in Glasgow and Edinburgh were giving David Murray anything he wanted....no problem. Murray was also not paying the UK taxpayer their rightful dues ( totally scandalous). However Murray and the board had the accountability to run football club properly , which they did not. That's why Murrays knighthood for business should be withdrawn and the other directors banned as directors and banned from football.

The Sun yesterday ran a report on the HBOS scandal. Lloyds couldn't believe the debtor book. �112BILLION loaned out to debtors including Murray Group and Rangers. �80BILLION would never had been loaned out by Lloyds.
The taxpayer had to pick up the bill for all that and we still do.
Now the taxpayer is being asks again to forgive Rangers debt to HMRC completely scandalous people should be jailed.

Advocaat only spent what he was allowed to by the club, he must have been told the money was there mustn't he ?!

10 Mar 2012 19:22:33
Got a feeling most of these so called investors are waiting for liquidation before taking over. Can't blame them really with the hmrc case stil hanging over us, but at least Paul Murray and the blue knights ( sounds like a band) are upfront and know what their getting into. My backingd with them.

Yeh they know what there getting into THEY helped create it,but all is forgiven as long as you are saved any crooks will be welcome to to take over thats the rangers way no chance of cleaning up your act b

Paul Murray is one of the people to blame for this whole mess.
I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Rangers need a new guard not this mob who got us into trouble in the first place not the same old again

What we need just now is a similar bunnet a true rangers fan who can buy 49 percent of the club and fellow bears the fans buy 51 percent its the only way forward

Thinkin the interested parties already know the tax result....

I agree with the 49 51 comment.

Fans who have the RFc at heart and not the others who want power/position and money.

I think the Admistrators just want to go into the big tax case saying they have a buyer. To be in a stronger position when selling or influencing their pitch.

The main problem a new buyer is blinkered by the possible debts at the club legal wrangles that final unknown figure could stall a buyer no one knows how much is needed could well run up to 100 million pounds or more to stable the club exspect a legal wrangle from all companys and the suits ie the blazer spivs could look messy

10 Mar 2012 10:01:28
Don't get too excited about the 11:00 announcement it is only officially announcing the RFFF scheme and as good as it is it would be better if we had a new owner and this was additional funds, not fire fighting.

I would be interested in a RFC share scheme!

Need to put out some of the fires 1st before anybody would consider buying us. if you take everything into account our debt stands at roughly �100 million. hmrc(owed about �58 million) & ticketus(owed about �24 million) being the major 2

Who wants to buy shares in a business that's in administration?

I'm not chucking my moneY into a begging bucket.

Some good news comein on monday watp

Well don't throw your money in then, each to there own.

Obv not a rangers fan if ur not gonna contribute

How much would be an acceptable amount, some sort of guidance should be given

I'd be more than happy to chuck in a Bob or two regardless if it was fighting fires or any other use. Big C

Ed. Who exactly are the blue knights? I know of Murray and King and Ticketus but who are the other names? {Ed001's Note - I don't know who else is involved sorry.}

This is the problem who is the blue knights fans know nothing again always kept in the dark

I think 140 pounds per family to save 140 years of tradition and history is fair.

10 Mar 2012 08:51:53
ALLY McCOIST and Walter Smith last night teamed up with supporters in a bid to help raise the millions needed to prevent Rangers going to the wall.

The two Ibrox legends will head up the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund - a scheme aimed at keeping the financially-stricken club afloat.

The RFFF is urging fans across the world to donate money into a secured account in a bid to generate much-needed revenue during the administration process.

The fighting fund will be officially launched at Ibrox this afternoon

How appropriately name.

I hope this isn't a scam to assist the blue knights financially in any way. Innit a fan of Paul Murray and I won't back him.

Get behind this folks, whatever you can afford it all counts. We must all do what we can to keep our club alive. Heard the Scarlet Pimpernel, oh sorry Mr C shyte, will be donating another quid to the cause!

At least Paul Murray is trying to save the club. What are you doing. Everyone good at criticising people. We must all get behind one another as its too easy to turn your back.

Im not a fan of McCoist either but i will still back him because i want Rangers to win and i know he does.

Ally and Walter. For ever true blue. In another 140 years your names will be remembered at this great club.

I dont trust paul murray either not keen on the different fans group should unite as one rangers supporters association combined wi all the supporters clubs too wi elected president who would be on the board looking after the supporters investment , thats wot i think

With all the money they taken out of the club, a million from each would be a good start !

No to Paul Murray and no to any previous directors. Spivs in blazers.

Don't let him get control and bring back the likes of Bain or Johnston....NEVER.

Paul Murray DOESNT have the funds to support owning a football club, whilst I agree the model should be shared ownership, I believe its essential the figurehead must be exceptionally wealthy. Let me make one thing very clear, I deal with insolvency in my employment and Rangers will NOT be allowed to go down that route. I must say however that with the financial burden this club carries it would be the BEST thing for the business to liquidate. Forget history for a second and ignore what our rivals say, as a business we have ran up too much debt and as with many other companies it would make sense to close and assume another name. I know that hurts but so will years of burden our debt will bring. I say let them liquidate us if they want, call their bluff and see what happens. I guarantee they will bottle it. HMRC, TICKETUS and every other creditor will lose everything. NOW before you start abusing me think about this, do we care what our rivals say? do we care about HMRC? or do we only care about RANGERS? I for one couldn't care less who suffers as a result of this as long as I get to watch good football on the park and get back to talking about football rather than this rubbish. As for the SPL not letting us in AYE RIGHT don't talk rubbish, have you seen the gates they get without us? As I say I didn't want any of this but its time to call their bluff and remove the threats against our club.

I don't like the idea of paul murray being part of a consortium with ticketus. we badly need a moneyman to come in with money available right away to rebuild what is a pretty mediocre squad.

Even if we got into Europe this squad isn't euro standard. They proved that even with Jelavic and the others in the squad. The manager isn't SPL winner material never mind European runs. Even in Europe we wouldn't make a commercial success of it.

Paul Murray is part of the old board and is not guiltless. He and the alike should leave and be replaced with people that we can have confidence in.

New Order!

To the guy thats saying call there bluff. do u remember what happened last time whyte did that. he tried to all there bluff by serving intent to go into admin papers, hoping this would bring them back to the table to do a deal.,

what happened the next day hmrc went yeh no problem about admin and moved to put us in straight away which happened,

so no dont call there bluff as they wont care..

what we need is new owner/s ones who will be able to talk to hmrc and to get some form of deal, even if that is paying it all back over an extented period of time,

i for one would much rather have a few poor years on the park, than have the whole history of the club gone,

my grandfather took me to my first game and i will always hold that memory dear especially more now he's gone, and i want to be able to do that with my daughter and grandchildren is im lucky enough to have any, and if the cub is liquidated then thats all gone, and people will be denied the chance to do these things,

there is a much more involved in this than just the money side of it,

the history is what counts and as fans and people that come from whole families of fans thats what we should be looking to save.

On the subject of Paul Murray, personally I like the guy and admire what he is trying to do but the solution to Rangers problems is not going to be through a consortium that Ticketus are involved in....think about it before Whyte cut the deal with them over future season ticket sales the club was reducing the debt and then all of a sudden the overheads exceed the income of the club.
Ever think why? it’s because of the tickets going out to Ticketus......tickets that would have been sold by rangers and raised revenue for the club are now handed over to Ticketus who sell them and use the funds raised to offset the money they loaned to rangers.
If this had not happened then rangers would have the money raised from the sale of the tickets sitting in the bank and would be used to offset the costs that the administrators are now try cut through wage deferrals.
While we may not like it liquidation allows us to get away from the deal with Ticketus and allows us to keep all the revenue from ticket sales, before anyone mentions the CVA, I think with Ticketus on board as part of the consortium will make sure they get the tickets or money in full from rangers…why else are they joining in?
Only other option is getting someone in who is wealthy enough to support the club financially until the Ticketus deal is finished….that much crap in the paper I can’t even remember how long the deal is mean to be for…3-4 years……if we are losing �1million a month then realistically whoever comes in will need to cover 36-48 million over that period unless they reduce the outgoing to make the club closer to break even…..and as the administrators have shown only way to do that is cut the staff.
So we need a billionaire or we need to liquidate as far as I can see.
Sorry for the rant :-)

I'm not giving away money, end of.
I'll buy tickets, I'll buy merchandise, I'll even buy shares, but I'm not chucking money away to the Administrators or Paul Murray or Dave King.

Walter is a legend again after some people called him a crock, talk about loyalty.

Sorry charity fatigue, I've got three kids. Getting my priorities right. You suits get it sorted out with YOUR money or all our money we've already paid you, then I'll consider getting on board depending on the quality of the product your offering.

Dont you think walter knew what was going on at the club and was part of the problem where you are now?for you to hink he knew nothing is just dumb...so why would you want him or anyone else who made this mess back at your club?

We need a total clear out of the old blazer spivs yes blazer spivs as for paul murray he was part of the old board everybody must have known what was going on time for change or die every empire has to fall

I agree total clear out of old dead wood,someone with lots of capital is needed
otherwise we face this same rubbish a few months down the road....I say liquidationn is sadly the best way ,we cant afford to go and on about the history, it will still be there
history is not something that can be wiped out.

Will this money be used to pay all debts to other clubs and Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs in FULL ?

Where is the statement to say sorry to the bread and butter fans total silence come on bears get onboard we must own the club not these blazer spivs

To be fair not fault of the fans the debt to other clubs must be paid the tax case is another matter im sure hmrc will not want any of the old guard in charge if so it will be full penaltys against them

That's correct no one has said sorry to us, the fans, they're just asking for more money!

Incredulously Murray is in the press today denying everything, saying the only thing he did wrong was selling to Whyte. Totally incredible. Raked up BOS debt Lloyds couldn't believe. Used offshore tax avoidance/ evasion, all needing paid back right now by us!
Lying about not knowing Whytes background, the truth will out.

10 Mar 2012 02:14:33
Blue Knights finalising offer for Rangers FC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17301939

First things first, who apart from Murray are the "knights"? Ticketus? For 24 mill they will be MAJOR shareholders, unless they take part percentage, part tickets, an I can't see them spending any money on us, so who else? Because I don't no but im guessing Murray ain't got the wealth himself, i need to hear more before im convinced about these "knights"
PaulRFC

You make me sick it dose not matter who takes over as long as our history is saved cant you think for yourselves what is best for you,you are the club and dont let them think because they have got money they are better than you without your money they are nothing i am a tim and proud of it but you must tell its our club good luck b

It's �1 of course and a pie chucked in for wee Ally.

The blue knights is tokenism. Dave King is now not being quoted as one of them for two reasons: 1. He believes it has to be Liquidation and a newco. 2. He expects the SFA to declare him not fit and proper person. (recent political pressure from McLeish also).
Ticketus are only there to get their money back. P Murray doesn't have a pot to...... He is relying on the immediate and sustainable largesse of the fans. So is Ticketus to get their money back. He is also relying on Creditors CVA! Foolish! Why do a CVA when selling Assets gets all the money back if your a creditor?

Conditional of course re tax case. lose that then its bye bye.

Rangers football club will never be finished, we may change names we may change personnel. Celtic and other fans may gloat that we have lost our history. But Rangers will go on, as what Rangers really are is the fans, and we will not change. Liquidate us today, but we are still Rangers fans so Rangers continue. As for our creditors I have these words, you have failed to reach any sort of agreement to assist the business to continue so I have no sympathy that you will receive nothing. As for Celtic fans criticising our non payment of TAX, id love to check how many of them are claiming benefits they are not entitled to or not declaring earnings to HMRC. Next time any Rangers fan takes abuse from a opposition fan you should perhaps make it your duty to investigate their personal financial affairs.

Got to laugh at the guy suggesting investigating,after abuse,Timmys personal finances, seriously how ridiculous is that? Serious levels of bitterness in that reply anyone?

Got to say though I'm a bit scared now incase it catches on ha ha. Maybe this guy should stoop through rangers finances,I mean with the wisdom he clearly has he would get to the bottom of it all with his "if you say anything bad at all to me I'll tell teacher" tact. What a p**is, ha ha ha

Jamie Mac(pities the bitter) lol

Paul Murray needs to go public, full two page spread in daily record, laying out who the knights are? What the accounts are? Who the directors will be, all financial assumptions . 1,3 &5 year business plans. Shareholdings, precise nature of Ticketus involvement.

Fans are being kept in the dark until this guy gets the power. Yet we know nothing of his strategies, he's like a politician but doesn't want our votes he wants our cash.

Who is if anyone is part of this group if there is a mega Rich guy or consortium out there a hope Paul Murray will step aside if its the better for the club anyone agree

The rangers fans must own the club in future we have been sold down the river with lies deceit and made our club a joke we have been made to look bad whixk is very unfair to the players fans and the people left at ibrox we deserve a lot better the club has been made to look silly

We are not just saying you dont pay your taxes what we are saying YOU DONT PAY ANYBODY we are THE MIGHTY NON PAYERS b