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15 Sep 2019 14:37:00
People are getting hysterical about me questioning the manager. My concern is we are blinded by his famous name. This season is pivotal and here is how I think he needs to be judged.

Firstly, completely disregard the European games. With teams dropping in from CL the chances of us actually winning the Europa League are probably about the same as someone like East Fife winning the Scottish Cup. We probably will get some decent results as counter attacking suits our players, but a counter attacking style is useless in about 90% of domestic games where people sit behind the ball. So Europe is irrelevant. And before your argue with that ask yourself this - if you were offered 6 defeats in the upcoming games but you could win the title would you take it? I know I would.

The manager needs to be judged at the winter break. If we are ahead of Celtic or at the very worst within 3 points of them, then he’s doing his job. If we are more than 3 points behind he has to go. That gives an experienced manager time to come in, use the second half of the season to assess what he needs to do in order to stop 10 (really basic things like sign a left back) .

But my fear is we will be in a position where we are trailing Celtic but too scared to sack him because he is Steven Gerrard, whereas we would have sacked any other manager in the same position. We have to separate the legendary player from the rookie manager.

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15 Sep 2019 14:55:45
Wagsman you r hysterical.

15 Sep 2019 15:02:08
Only one person is getting hysterical and that's yourself @Theswagman👍
You're questioning his position after 5 league games but at the same time are saying he should be judged at the Winter break? Make your mind up.
So we've to disregard the achievement of getting to the Europa League group stages and the cash benefit that brings to the club because we're not going to win it anyway.
So when we win #55, will we just phone up UEFA and tell them we aren't interested in playing in the CL qualifiers because we have no hope of winning the CL anyway?
So if we are 4 points behind he has to go? Or am I bring facetious?
And who's your choice of experienced manager?
And we have a LB, Barisic, who will start on Thursday. 👍
Knee-jerk reactions like yours will set the club back 2 years and back to square one.
Yes Gerrard made mistakes against Celtic. He's still got time to rectify them.
So I'm 100% behind Gerrard and the team, I won't be disregarding the Europa League achievements as I look forward to the Group games.
In Gerrard We Trust!
Let's Go!
#55.

15 Sep 2019 15:30:48
Sorry Theswagman, i'm totally with the rest regarding steven gerrard as rangers manager. Way too early to making hypothetical statements about what if this happens, what if that happens. let's wait and see and assess everything once the season is finished. Its definitely NOT the answer to keep binning manager's and ripping it up to start again! Gerrard has more than shown enough to be backed and continue as rangers manager, even after this season and if we don't win the league. Like i've said before, i believe we will win the league and most definitely a trophy.

15 Sep 2019 15:54:51
@SGL - MY point exactly. Let's try and build on something instead of permanently ripping it up and trying to start again.
Did Liverpool panic with Klop? No.
Have Man Utd panicked since Fergie? Yes, and they are a basket case.
Gerrard is putting the foundations in place for something special. 👍.

15 Sep 2019 16:17:20
I’m not questioning his position. I’m saying at what point do we question? As I’ve said, my worry is we are all too in love with being able to say Steven Gerrard is our manager without being able to separate out his actual performance. He has much better players than previous managers but the rise in performance levels does not match the rise in the standard of players. We are playing better than under previous managers yes, but let’s say we are playing 20% better but with a squad that is easily 50% better.

15 Sep 2019 16:18:37
Coop, once the season is finished? So if he’s then had two tries to beat Celtic and failed, does he get a third?

15 Sep 2019 16:24:14
Thewagsman you're a wind up merchant few people will take seriously.

15 Sep 2019 16:40:10
How am I a wind up merchant? I’m asking a serious question. Our manager got tactically outsmarted by Neil Lennon, surely that has to be a worry? Last season his blind spot for Worral cost us points. His constant rotation the same. He can’t get a performance out of a Croatian international left back so plays a right back or centre midfielder instead. Again, I’m not saying I want the manager sacked, I’m saying I’m not convinced by him and I worry people can only see the famous name.

15 Sep 2019 16:44:08
Two serious questions for all of you - and please answer the questions rather than just fire in with random insults.

1. If we drop more points and lose the next old firm and are 8+ points behind Celtic going into the winter break (all that would take is one draw for us and them to keep winning) are you still keeping the manager?

2. If the answer to the above is yes, what would it take for you to get rid?

15 Sep 2019 16:51:04
Why are you basing your whole argument on hypotheticals? If Fredo doesn't score for the next ten games, should he be sold cut price in January? If it's revealed Tav has an 'i love Neil lennon' tattoo on his leg do we drop him as Captain? I would rather debate on the here and now mate.

15 Sep 2019 16:58:09
You're full of ifs and ifs. Calm down.

15 Sep 2019 17:48:13
Most on here can see an improvement on last seasons squad, results. We're winning games, even when playing poorly, I happen to think that's a sign of a decent side.
let's NOT ignore European results, its helped sign Kent.

15 Sep 2019 18:11:18
I'll repeat a small part of my original reply to you Theswagman. If using your word here, steven gerrard loses the league to celtic and is lagging behind in january he still stays as manager for me. He'll still have the scottish cup to play for at that stage and he may well have won his first trophy, ie. the league cup by then. My whole point to you was i don't think there's any point in continuing to change manager's and tearing it up, as what happens, when a new manager comes in! The reason like you said that we have better players, is because of steven gerrard being our manager! Hope i've explained it ok for you Theswagman. 🤔.

15 Sep 2019 18:47:54
Quite simple Sg stays for 3 minimum, we can’t keep changing.
It’s about being mentally tough, remember they tried to kill us, we will be back.

15 Sep 2019 19:29:09
I agree John25.Theswagman asked what he felt it would take at possibly changing steven gerrard as our manager. I agree with John25,as i'd keep gerrard as rangers manager, for a minimum of 3 years, as that would cover us either stopping 10 in a row or them achieving it (I don't think they'll get 10iar) . Only then should we look at gerrard's position. It would be hypothetical looking at his position, when he wins the league this season and stops 9iar. that's my opinion on it.

15 Sep 2019 19:56:28
I’m with theswagman. Hypothetically if Rangers were more than 8 points adrift at the winter break then we should be looking for a new manager. Simple.

I hope that never transpires but why would you want to keep a manager that has had heavy backing but not able to win the league? It doesn’t make sense.

Why would you think anything would get better in the second half if this season or the third?

We just passed up the easiest ever time to beat Celtic. An untried back 4 and a goalkeeper that hasn’t played in ages and we managed a single shot on target in 90 mins.

Make no excuses that 100% comes down to Gerrard.

Let hope he manages a run if wins and Celtic drop points. If not his coat will be on a shoogly nail going into the next old firm match.

15 Sep 2019 19:59:41
Spot on John25. We will win the league when we return to having a strong winning mentality throughout the team. This is improving year on year but is not their yet.

15 Sep 2019 20:04:33
Behave yourself Theswagman and get fully behind the team. If I had to choose between beating Celtic two weeks ago and qualifying for Europa League, on this occasion would definitely choose Europe. We have plenty of time now to observe and deal with Celtic this season. Very big couple of weeks coming up and time for the supporters to get fully behind SG, his staff and team.

15 Sep 2019 20:06:50
Completely disregard the European games?! He has guided us through 8 qualifiers unbeaten and this will earn us millions!
European football is pivotal for our club, don’t just brush them off as not important.
Ask yourself this. in 2008 did you think we could win it after getting put out the CL?

15 Sep 2019 20:12:31
Sorry people I totally agree with thewagsman.

15 Sep 2019 20:59:47
Some things never change DS.

15 Sep 2019 21:20:12
So we just keep changing manager's every 2 years or so and throwing money down the swanie? No if we're getting closer to them and improving we stick with the manager because with gerrard i truly think that he'll win the league for us. Remember the magnet he's got in his name and professionalism in bringing players to rangers. They all want to play for stevie G. Get behind him as there's no doubt he's closed the gap on them and their dominance will come to an end under gerrard's tenure as rangers manager, i'm pretty confident on that. For the doubters better the devil you know and who would you bring in?

15 Sep 2019 21:30:25
Thanks Zikos and dsgersfan. Too many people seem happy to let standards slip and let them coast to 10. We would never hear the end of it. If we are behind them at Xmas it’s time for a new manager.

And the “get behind the team” comments - I have a season ticket and I’m behind them every single game.

16 Sep 2019 00:04:29
Like it or not there comes a time at Rangers that if your not meeting your targets or if the fans aren’t happy then you will be shown the door. And I don’t think the target he has been set is to finish second.

Nothing personal, just the way it is and it won’t change.

Let’s all hope Stevie doesn’t find that out.

16 Sep 2019 05:07:41
Who would you want to replace SG Wagsman, hypothetically?

16 Sep 2019 08:54:33
Swagman I kinda see some of your points but you can't disregard Europe you can't disregard the name of gerrard and the profile of our club he's raised IMO we'd never have got Defoe, Kent, Aribo if it wasn't for him
I think his position would be questioned at the end of the season if we were further behind celtic than last season.

At the moment we've got to stick with SG and the team my gripe with him and has been since day one is IMO he waits too long to sub but given he's ex Liverpool captain and England captain I'll bow to his superior knowledge
I think some were a bit unfair in replies to you after all your entitled to an opinion and to ask questions.

16 Sep 2019 12:01:37
Thanks blue blue sea. Accused of blasphemy if you ask the question!







 

 

 
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