Rangers Banter Archive May 09 2014

09 May 2014 19:38:23
i have advocated to give wallace a chance but I see he had a twitter q and a session today I don't have twitter or do twitter I looked at the questions and answers and to be truthful unless there were a lot more than I read the questions very much smacked of being stage managed not one question about macoist or the teams performance questions on stadium facilities fan laison fan this that and the next thing nothing to do with the nitty gritty certainly they are not questions I would have asked or any of the other regular posters I may be wrong and possibly other questions were not in the passage I read but if it was an attempt to win fans over it was a massive failure

I wonder if this is true if true the mans a coward he should be going in front of a few supporters for a question and answers not hidding behind a keyboard imo

Who on here asked a question about mccoist or performances? Got to be one of ya that's uses personter

09 May 2014 17:09:53
Am I the only one who Now has no idea what is going on at our club?

I read the post's on here, and I try to read club statements and newspaper articles.

But somehow I always come away feeling I know less than I did before I bothered reading into it.

I want it dumbed down.

1. How much money do we have in the bank? £££

2. Is our expenditure more than what we have in the bank? Yes or No (if yes by how much?

3. If we don't sell enough season tickets, what will that mean?

4. What players are leaving the club?

5. What players are targets to bring in?

6. Does anyone Know anything about Rangers anymore.

7. Who killed Lucy Biel? A. McCoist, B. King, C. Wallace

Poster, I do not know what you expect to be told. You either buy a ticket for a game or you don't, but remember, a ticket gets you in to watch a game. So leave the business to those that own the club. If this not suitable, well you know your options.
Yes, we have been pillaged, but to want to know the board's intentions is a joke.
My opinion, and my opinion only:-
1. Back King and we are finished.
2. Continue with McCoist as manager, we are going to self destruct.
3. Back the club, we have a chance, but only if difficult actions are taken.
We have to accept where we are and cut our cloth to suit. We might meander in the championship for a while, but we will end up a solid base and a team we [ and others. ] could respect.
4. Compromise with King. Unlikely because of the terms he would want.
5. Do as we are and the board will borrow to survive, until everything is gone. I just wonder what King will do then and all this from someone who hoped King would come to our rescue. No bigger fool than an old one.

Bill y I hope what I posted the other night comes to pass or at worst he is made to tow the line but essentially he must go one thing that heartens me a bit there ar quite a few more bears turning agaist herr kings plans maybe common sense will prevail

Ibj d you say fans are turning against king could you tell me where you get that info from cause I see other fans groups have told rangers they will not back mr wallace nor buy books while current board are at the helm

09 May 2014 11:25:25
i am sitting this morning we look at all the newspapers watch ssn for any snipets of news that happens at ibrox talk to fellow bears argue on this site post every bit of news we get and reflecting on things we are as much to blame as the leaders of the various supporters groups because all we do is argue about king macoist and whoever the latest name that turns up then all we do is let of steam but we don't do anything constructive about anything we talk about fans share purchase or getting someone to deal with the bandits to purchase shares then we miscall other posters we should try to do something to help matters because if we don't king and uncle tom cobley and all will achieve nothing other than put the club further into the mire what do do I don't know but surely if we make enough noise about macoist surely we can do something about the football team itself and if what I posted the is correct and I believe it is we can maybe with a bit of effort we can do something about macoist what I don't know but if any bear out there has any ideas throw them into the ring or even ed some ideas from your self because if we sit back and do nothing before to long there will be nothing left to post about

OP how about this for an idea, we buy our season tickets, stop fighting amongst ourselves and give our chairman a bit of time to get us back onto a level footing. Someone posted that we have sold only 2000 STs then added good, does anyone know the figures for Kings scheme and will the money from this be used to keep us afloat during the summer and how can it possibly be good that we have no money coming into the club? None of us have the answer to this conundrum but we have to get our finances sorted out before we do anything drastic or else we could easily implode. Just my opinion.

Yes up till wedensday the had sold 12% of last seasons total I would be quite prepared to renew its not dave king or the board that's stopping me its macoist if even the board knew he is stopping probably more ticket renewals than dave king and I hope what I posted about macoists position is correct (i believe it is) I would certainly renew wallace needs a chance but we must achieve a bigger fans shareholding so eventually we can eradicate the bandits because until there is conclusive proof there is a fair chance whyte and green are still in the blue lagoon some where the easdales bought shares yesterday for 13k now surely we could organise to purchase these pockets of shares that are sold I know the more sceptical bears will say they shares are going round in a circle but surely there are records at the aim market that records buyers and sellers so if the board address the macoist situation I woul renew my ticket but I also think the club should extend help to bears who paid there tickets by instalments an dlet them renew without interest in saame amount of instalments I am sure this would boost ticket sales

How can we get them sorted when the people in charge are squandering every penny giving to them our club is a joke from top to bottom the now and I don't see it improving anytime soon sadly I for 1 won't be buyin I've had enough

@3 whilst I agree Ryan I will, on balance re-new inspite of Mr Wallace's inaccuracies and our worst ever manager who between them have told more porkies in a few months than any number of us have in our lives.
I posted about a third option which is a loan from the ubber rich Rangers fans who don't want to give the current board a penny. Those of us who want the club to continue on balance whilst agreeing with that sentiment still want our club to go on.
The almost unsurmountable barrier is McCoist. Some want him to stay but a majority think his time is up.
So those of us who would commit to a membership scheme of so much for season tickets and extra to pay off the rich "fans" to pay for fan ownership will be at logger-heads AYE serious logger- heads over McCoist.
His way of almost total reliance on experienced costlier players would simply not be affordable. We would seriously need to cut our cloth in the realisation that although we are a big club in Scotland we are a minnow in world terms.

A couple of weeks ago I googled Arsenal to get their result of a midweek fixture and the pop up announced 2, 400,000 users following the Gunners. I did the same for the Gers and it stated 2, 400 users.

We had about 200,000 who turned up for a European final in our own country. Now yes I know a number of fans who didn't go to Manchester but none who were season ticket holders.

Imo the only way to get the support back is fan ownership and change of manager/coaching staff and a new youth under-pinned strategy.

Can it be achieved not great odds in favour but going down the King route will lead this board to issue more shares and strengthen the position of the hedge fund anonymous faces we all want rid off and weaken the fans chance of a bigger say.

So I will pay for my season ticket but go to the dentist when our games are on.

No one is right here we all have to do what our heart tells us and if that is not pay for your season ticket then so be it but it is a democracy and we have to respect other decisions even if we don't understand them. (Except McCoist decisions on team selection and non tactics)

Ryan, Could you please tell me what money the current board have squandered since December 2013, apart from McCoist's salary. Again they have the 'excuse'-------- it's in his contract. Maybe if they paid him less he would not notice, as he does not know what is in his in contract. Get real Ryan, they can only play with the deck they were left.
Jyf, simple solutions are usually the best. I agree 100%.

@5. James Easdale has been on the board for almost a year. Does the money squandered prior to December 2013 not count? 'The Board' is a continuous thing. There are NEVER no board members, or the shares would be suspended. Any current board, while not directly guilty of squandering all of the £70m, must accept that the money was spent by the entity called 'the board' and must take responsibility for it.

To be fair to easdale he at leat gave an interest free loan of£500k more than any of the rest

I have no trust in the current board mate if u do its fine by me!what about before dec 2013?are u saying these guys are all new menbers from this point?they give us no answers what so ever so I find it very hard to trust mr Wallace done a twitter poll today answeing?s allegedly I followed it closely and still no further forward with them am totally scunnered by the full club its a laughing stock but that's just how I feel am sure there are loads of happy bears sittin there

I see mr wallace has said its not the supporters that have caused the problems at our club its the overspending don't know if he is tyring to sweeten us up but I am one that won't be sweetened up and going by season bok sales there are thousands like me

09 May 2014 08:05:41
seen on sky last night dinsdale and doug easdales bouht more shares was that them turning the loan into shares or did they buy some from laxey

Great. buying shares up for 1p or less, just what the club needs! When are we going to wake up? All this board will do is fleece us. Dave King is our only option.

He paid 23p per share

Where is Dave kings money though its cash we need not talk!

It's easy to see who bought the shares and for how much guys

Dave king has no money to invest in Rangers. The SARS are interested in twelve years accounts that are not forthcoming. Dave Kings recent interest in Rangers was more exploration to see if he could get some of his previous investment of £20m back.

{Ed039's Note - I cannot find anything on this "further investigation" into DK anywhere and do not know where it has come from)

Kirk, I think you'll find that they were bought at the market share price on the day of purchase. You should also be aware that share transactions take place between shareholders and purchasers, totally independent of the board. Maybe if King started buying shares and accepted what happened, we might be able to move forward.

Ed your right over the last week I have read quite a bit about kings tax case and there is no mention of that but when he showed income of £4000 and spent millions he is either real stupid or as bad as whyte green and company methinks its the latter