Rangers Banter Archive July 09 2012

 

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09 Jul 2012 16:44:03
Got the letter from Charles green for shareholders proposing the name change to rfc 2012. Personally I hope fellow bears like myself find this totally wrong to change it to rfc 2012. What's you're thoughts ed!!

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Gotta change it to something.BDO might not allow that anyway as it is similar to the liquidated name

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The letter is from Duff and Phelps and it's asking shareholders to change the name of the oldco to RFC 2012. This enables the newco to take the oldco name of The Rangers Football Club - it also states that the major oldco shareholder with 85% (assume Whyte) has stated he will vote for this change so looks like a done deal - Sevco Scotland will become The Rangers Football Club Ltd on July 31st

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I am poster #2 - for those that disagree I am a shareholder (soon to be was) and have the letter in my hand so please take my comments as fact. This is a perfect example of how Gers fans are now so mistrusting of anybody. Another example is the reaction to the consortiums 50m evaluation. They know they have no chance of getting this - it's their way of saying were NOT for sale and their in it for the long haul - This is GOOD news but it appears us Bears have forgot how to deal with good news now !!

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09 Jul 2012 16:36:19
Rangers cannot possibly survive in SFL3. Green will repay the investor loans with the season ticket sales and put the company into administration.

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09 Jul 2012 14:11:11
So CG thinks rangers are now worth £50million.
This full episode is nothing more than a sham if lord glennie rules there has been a conflict of interest surely the admin proccess should start again and criminal action against D&p
Also a full investigation should start with questions being asked why the assets were sold for well under market value

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Go back in time and start Admin again? How at all would that be possible to cancel out all the business thats been done, re sign all the players again etc etc... Nonsense post. Is that you Marty? Mind and fill Mr Fusion....


Madrab

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It's not nonsense. It remains to be seen what action, if any, BDO will take regarding the sale of assets.

The problem is that correspondence between D & P and other parties are not in the public domain, so nobody knows.

However, I wonder how damaging the fact that the judge has instructed D & P to prove that they did not act in a conflict of interest , turns out to be. Bearing in mind they have a statutory requirement to act in the creditors best interest.

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Dont think the op means go back in time the legalaties of this should be checked obviously any deals that have been done should be fully checked by a neutral body and if any thing is unearthed should be disclosed to all concerned

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09 Jul 2012 13:32:54
The current events are nothing to do with sporting integrity which has been thrown about to make sure that pressure is put on Rangers to comply.
Fact is, we all need each other for Scottish football to survive.
If Rangers are to go to D1, then it has to honest and transparent without all this BS about further sanctions for the sake of the game. It needs to happen because of the financial position in Scotland without sanction and that will need to be said as the sporting integrity argument is now working against the interests of those who were using it to their advantage.
If it was truly sporting integrity, then Rangers would be starting in D3.

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Wrong! Rangers would be in junior football until 3 years audited accounts could be presented as part of the application to join SFL3.

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@1 Sorry, I don't know if anybody has already supplied this but I looked at the SFL rules and I couldn't see the rule where 3 years worth of accounts were needed. I've asked before but I've not seen a reply yet, mostly because the posts all disappear once they go off this page and the page doesn't get updated on regular intervals. SO I'm still waiting to actually see a link and a reference to this claim.

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Keep hearing about this 3 year rule. Read on twitter article 9.2 let's rangers be parachuted in.

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Div 1 without sanctions would be more cheating, not by you but sfl . unless you go to div 3 there has to be sanctions for 3 years {Ed039's Note - Why does there have to be? In the name of sporting integrity? We are happy to go to SFL 3 for that)

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09 Jul 2012 12:58:49
All this talk of Rangers not getting penalties. They are getting extra penalties everyday the other clubs delay on decisions affecting our future. Players leaving, pre-season matches cancelled, sponsorship delays, delays in season ticket money. Everyday delay brings a new punishment.
But ofcourse that will not be taken into account when the final penalties are decided!

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Here mate lets hope it disnae go tae penulties?

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Rangers don't exist, Newco is only a couple of weeks old and the powers that b are bending over backwards to allow what's left of ex Rangers into a league. There's been teams waiting for a spot in the big leagues and they will not get the chance because the Newco will be shoehorned in somewhere. Rangers demise should have bumped them out of existence, so Newco are not getting
punished at all

Vambo

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Sorry, but all these instances relate to your oldco, not the newco.

It will take however long it takes to process your newco application. Be grateful your now having to apply and and be vetted for the spare league spot..

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While that is a very fair point OP, the fact remains that D&P failed to hand over the relevant documents to the SFA regards two contracts for how long? Three months after requested? It is also worth pointing out that going to court regards the fairly mild (if illegal) transfer embargo compromise has also delayed any stability and potential to plan that Rangers could have had. So out of the three things that have as yet to be decided, two were to a degree self-inflicted. An appeal and a refusal to comply promptly from Rangers and their administrators has led to a situation where 19 days before their potential first fixture we don't have an earthly about anything. So not for the first time in this saga the finger pointing should begin at Ibrox.

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What a load of rubbish.This is all because your club entered administration and then liquidation.Bad stewardship of your club has caused all of this.

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09 Jul 2012 13:19:54
This is getting boring now!! honest! i with along with every football supporter in the country can see what is going to happen!! div 3 this year!! then div 2 the year after, then, well you see where am going with this?
As Mr Murdo said the Tic will win the league by 20 or 30 points next year! i bet that lot are so pleased, at least the wee lemon can get a couple of league titles under his belt before the new co come knocking, give him his chance, i bet lemon could'nt believe his luck, no Rangers to play, and if there was not on a level playing field!
Enjoy 3 in a row boys!!!! until you hear the words
THE RANGERS ARE BACK AND YOU KNOW!!

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Cant wait to face newco as rangers are no longer.Think you may have a new manager by then sally was well beaten last season and had no answers

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Can you understand the words RANGERS ARE LIQUIDATED? cz thats whets happened.You cant come back.

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He won it last year when that team you call rangers (rip) were in the league, so your post is really stupid.

Briggs

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Just a wee gentle reminder...
"Rangers" will NOT be back, as when club finally enters liquidation "Rangers" DISAPPEAR FOREVER.... hello Sevco. Timalloy

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If you really think its going to be that easy you heads stuck up your @rse. remember wherever we end up we are going to have a couple of old heads surrounded by a bunch of kids in the team. promotion even from the 3rd division next season is far from being a certainty.

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If come the end of these investigations Rangers are found guilty we could be talking a damn sight more than three in a row, be warned.

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Gloat all you want ,but you are all on the defensive trying to justify your posts knowing fine well gers will be back like it or not and last years league win only came to pass when gers problems came to pass ,i also dont think ally is our answer even although i liked him as a player ,like john greig whom i saw in his first team debut against airdrie ,great player poor
manager ,look at all the average players over the years that have turned out to be great managers ,nobody can argue with the facts there doug t.s.o

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Typical dark side response! i think you will find that the OP said "The Rangers" not Rangers, PLUG nut!!

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OP we won it by 20/30 last season and you were there ..shamrock

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@4. What you goni do with your time wee Timalloy? Surely you wont transfer to the sevco rumours website as the team would mean nothing to you?

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09 Jul 2012 13:18:45
Had a quick look into the future of Rangers in division 1. Next year you are going to receive so much abuse from rival fans every time a refereeing decision goes your way 43% of the fans heads will explode.
Seriously Rangers fans must be so against the idea of first division saviour because they will always be judged on it. Not what I call a fresh start…

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What is your point ? The decision is not Rangers to make so if other people make that decision away and be a sad life on all the Spl football pages cause we aren't there :)

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Div 1 will be a sfa ,spl ,sfl and a money decision nothing to do with Rangers what so ever, if it was a Rangers decision it would be spl.

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Yeah we get abuse from the huge supports like Mortons 2000. Who cares we have been abused before and have done the abusing before. Sticks and stones.......

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09 Jul 2012 11:23:20
Do I sense a shift in power ? For months our club has been subject to the fickle whims of those who run the game and a small band of hate-filled laptop owners who probably inject nothing into the coffers of the game in Scotland.

But now the bureaucrats want to shoehorn us into Division One because it suits their financial aspirations. Whilst Charles Green will accept this (it's in our best financial interests too) I sincerely hope that this hands him a small element of power as he could rebel against this notion. This is an opportunity to state a strong case against further sanctions. After all, if we can't get promotion in our first season then the master plan of Regan and Doncaster has failed (as will several SPL clubs).

C'mon Charles - lets see you play your cards right !

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Really, further sanctions, as far as I believe the only sanctions that have been given to you are 10 point reduction which meant nothing because Celtic won the league by more than that and £160,000 fine, which did not get paid.
Anything else meted out to your club are the consequences of mis management by the people running your club.

Some Rangers fans have still got their heads in the sand

Vambo

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Your current squad will struggle to win promotion from SPL 1. If you go into SPL1 then you might attact better players, if your allowed to sign them.

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I don't think Mr Green has any intentions of running a 3rd division football club, despite the wishes of the majority of Newco fans.

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I think you woul;d be better served if Green goes cap in hand rather than the WATP attitude...you want him to have power i would suggest you should be asking for respect not power...JohnnyG

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Hate-filled laptop owners! You're not listening. Practically *every* fan in the country wants the NewCo to start life in Div3 (Look a the Scotsman Poll). Div3 the same option as provided to Livi and Gretna. SPL chairman, the SFA & SPL board probably want you in Div1, but thats not the fans and certainly not the view of your so called laptop haters.

Now you're saying the NewCo should use the SPL Chairmen, SFA & SPL Board's desire to have you in Div1 as a way to resolve yourselves from any sanctions. And you're passing judgement about our definition of sporting integrity. You can't have a both ways!

There is only one outcome that truely facilitates sporting integrity. NewCo to Div3 with no sanctions applied, a la previous precident.

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09 Jul 2012 09:37:18
Just had a thought charles green is kind of doing a david murray in reverse order with the fans. For every pound he has spent he wants us to spend ten. Bought for 5 milliion now wants 50. This guy hasnt got a brass neck hes fae yorkshire hes got a steel one. The damn audacity of it all beggars belief.

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The sheffield fans warned us of him. Looks like what they predicted is starting to emerge.

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Finally showing his true colours. Another Craig Whyte in the making. It's like a vicious circle with no end in sight.

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Green is not daft he suggests £50m and when he gets £15m you think you have a bargain. Retailer's do this all the time.

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Is it not called emotional blackmail? The fans buy £20m of useless shares or Newco goes into administration.

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What a load of tosh,why should we not invest in our club,Mr Green and his consortium have the nuts to follow through with the purchase of Our club,why are some of you bears wailing about a share issue,if you love your club,and want it to survive and prosper,buy the shares,if not,go else where and spend your money,but spare us the ,he is only in it for the profit garbage,he is a businessman,who saved our club,and is also trying his best to secure fees for players jumping ship,give the guy a break.MrMurray,MR Mccoll,even our Walter ,all came up short,and the less said about the rantings of J,Brown the better.Get behind Green,and his backers,and support the efforts to sustain,and take our beloved club forward,and away from the abyss.

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He's no a Craig Whyte he a lot smarter and mor treacherous

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He was the only guy who stepped forward I think he can do what he wants with the club , he bought it.

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He was the only real deal in town. The Blue Knights didn't have a newco option.

And who would invest (individually or collectively) £20m let alone £50m into a venture that may never make any money?

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09 Jul 2012 09:14:45
So today the scotsmans reporting that CG consortium wants 50 million to sell the club to the supporters. If this is true then no fan should buy a sinlge item of merchandise or ticket for a game never mind a season ticket in my opinion. I wont be giving him a penny if this is the nonsense he is coming out with. Totally scunnered doesnt do how i feel at the moment justice, if that is the kind of profit this consortium are looking for out of this debacle then we can be pretty much assured that any money we give to the club wont be invested back in. I advise all bears to boycott the club we love so dear and just form our own club and apply for the available space in the third tier. The green consortium believe they have bought our undying love for the club ( and the load of cash that promises ) for 5.5 million pound in a buisness deal. Im sorry mr green it just doesnt work that way, our club has been liquidated by you i may add, and is now dead. Your club is new and we supporters arent just going to love you regardless, put it this way, we were CHEATED on by the one we love but there has to be remorse and willingness to be a better club for us to consider loving you again. We might not move on and love another club again but that doesnt mean we dont need to leave you.
I hope i didnt annoy you all with my comparison between human relationships and the team we support i just think love isnt unconditional and we all have choice to make. Statements of intent to make 50million profit over the course of your tenure mr green are ill advised. We pay our cash to run the club not line your consortiums pockets.

Scunnered bear

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Well said Scunnered bear, this is becoming the total farce most people were saying it would months back. Green and his cohorts are in this for quick bucks and nothing else, wouldnt put it past him not to be somehow still in with that bloddy cheat Whyte.
£50 Million: with most players gone and not officially in league what planet is he currently breathing on? If this is the case the tax mans liquidators will be looking at this right now thinking Duff, Phelps, Green and Whyte have all been at the assest stripping since day one. Buy the clubfor £5 MILLION( or give Duff etc their pound flesh) then look to sell on what you can then when ture pictur ecomes out offer to sell to fans after you have "milked the cow dry". Can only see problems in the future here if Liquidatirs are as good as everyone saying can see the whole lot coming back to them and a re-sale going ahead. Maybe best thing and then Smith etc can get the club and set it on right journey. Green you will get nothing from me EVER.

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When you buy something and you want to keep it and someone asks if its for sale... one aften puts a ridiculously high price on it.... the message being that you dont want to sell!! Its clear thats this is what Green is doing. He sees the club having that value several years in future, debt free and well run.
My granny is for sale £20million,.... there you are.
Green has a way with words, hes colourful, we must look for the meaning, but not always the bad one... I trust him as much as I trust any owner and hes been as open as anyone else has been.
He deserves a chance.
Once Rangers are in any division i believe he will fight hard on our behalf.

and ps the numberof celtic supporters on here is unbelievable... Green jhedi. Get a life. We will be on our way back after friday as Rangers.....
The punches no longer hurt. You have missed the opportunity of being magnaminous.

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Just to be quite clear the board have no interest in selling the club - the 50m evaluation that they were asked about was based on a business model and factors in future success and associated business activities - what in effect they are saying is if they do what they say, I.e. clear all debts, have a balanced board (no one with more than 15% and fans making up 50% collectively), make the club successful on the pitch with no debt ...... Then the club, in their opinion will be worth £50m - this plan, like every other football business model requires the fans support, both in season ticket sales and buying into a share issue - Christ we have pleaded for this fan based ownership model for months now - can't believe the negativity now it is being offered

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David Murray didn't put a penny into Rangers. He bought it on BOS debt and creamed out of the club on every opportunity with his other companies.

If you want a club you need to stick your money in. No money = termination. Green needs a profit, pay into the club and pay his profit and you might survive.

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So if i buy from CG for 50 million then can i claim D&P for the 49.5 million shortfall they sold it for?

big D

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From the heart and well said Scunnered Bear, all the best to you from a Celt.
Gaz
PS If you want some comfort from this I'm sure the figure he quoted was merely to scare off Brown, Smith etc and let him get some peace to get on with the job in hand, cant see him being a Whyte in some respects.

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@2; I fail to see why you mention me? And not even tagging your post either.......green jhedi

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Thanks for the kind words in reply, but it is clear our support are divided in opinion regarding all this. We have people just willing to carry on as normal as if none of this happened, to buy their shirts and season books regardless in the hope that in a few years they can just erase the memory of this occuring.
Then we have a group that see this as a chance to change to a more modern way of running our club. Im in the latter bracket. I will back green if i believed what he was doing was right. At the moment i dont believe that to be the case.

Scunnered bear

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09 Jul 2012 01:39:09
I think if Rangers do start in the SFL1 would only be far to start on -36 points.

Should start has a new club in SPL3.

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Why should you start in that league, there's other teams been trying for years to get in this league & there books are all in order. The whole of Scottish football fans dont want you in the league, not because who you are but because your cheats & this year will prove your not needed.

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@1. Since when do you speak for the 'whole' of Scottish football fans? Go and protest to your chairmen/SFA about cheating and sporting integrity before attacking us. The Rangers fans (Majority) do not want to be forced into SFL1, as for SFL3 entry that is upto the SFL clubs, I think the financial incentive of having Rangers there is a 'Golden Goose' scenario. We await their judgement and not the opinion of some self righteous non-entity.

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@1 That's the whole point numpty, we are not cheats, this is the newco, so what exactly have the newco cheated at?
It is not the newco pulling the strings it is the people at the SFA, SPL and SFL. These same people represent yours and all of the clubs in Scotland. You want to shout cheats? then shout it at them.

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GOLDEN GOOSE?More like deceased dodo,There is not a club called rangers,the new entity be lucky if playing football this season

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@2. I think @1 speaks for the whole of Scottish Football except Kilmarnock. It's certainly true that a number of clubs have been looking to get intot he league for a few years so why should newco take precent over other teams. We all know it willl happen, you will get in some where it only serves to make everybody else hate you even more becuase once again you will benefit from cheating.

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@5. As said, we are not in any Div yet, so we have not cheated at anything. You will hate us no matter what we do or the outcome that is applied. We can't win, damned if we do, damned if we don't. And to top it all we get the sanctimonious ones on here lording it over us on so called sporting integrity matters. So if our fans bite back at some of the unrelenting hypocritical crap that has been posted on here for the last few months, maybe you'll understand why!

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08 Jul 2012 23:52:32
Why didn't the SPL clubs just agree to the share transfer of old rangers to new rangers...on the condition that we are immediately relegated as punishment.

That way we start in Div 1 without having to put the SFL clubs through this nonsense of choosing Div 1, Div 3 or SPL2.

SG

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Because 8 of the SPL chairmen would not agree to that: Hearts Hibs, Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee united would all have said no.

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The authorities should have had this issue sorted ages ago,they should have changed the articles of association for this scenario after the events at
Livingston,Airdrie,Gretna etc but they did not.
The SPL is a different entity to the SFL.
The SFL have specific articles of association regarding liquidation.
The SPL do not.
This is why this nonsense has dagged on so long.
The SPL have left their options open regarding sanctions,"as they deem appropriate" Trouble is nobody knows what they are.They could have expelled us but this was deemed to harsh by the appellate committee.
The sanctions currently being considered for harsher punishments from next season need to be voted on and agreed by member clubs,this wil get a mixed reaction to say the least as it will amount to turkeys voting for an additional christmas holiday each year.
P.O.B.

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Essentially the SPL have set the precident for liquidation in the SPL. If you cease to be a football club you will be expelled. Further more any new club will not be admitted to the SPL. No further sanctions need. However OLDCO are guilty of much more than just going into liquidation.

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How can you impose sanctions on a brand new entity?...whos record reads PLAYED...NONE....LOST...NONE...FOR..NONE..AGAINST..NONE...& Who are us?As theres not a name been issued for sevcos supposed football team

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08 Jul 2012 21:50:11
I was the same as all Rangers fans about going to the 3rd division, but now i believe we should go to the 1st. The sooner we get in the SPL, the sooner we stop celtic walking away with titles.

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You stupid? if we go to div 1 we would be faced with loads of sanctions and we would be lucky to avoid relgation then if we did get back to the spl celtic would rattle us about 5-0

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We are not an SPL/SFA cash cow. 'No way' to SFL1. The SPL/SFA made their bed and now it's time to lie in it. We start again in Div3 (Upon successful application), it's not going to be easy but that is the way forward. We come back on our terms, nobody else's.

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@2. You come back on the terms other clubs decide are appropriate or you don't come back at all. Remember tthat right now, there is no Rangers. You are being liquidated. What you have on your side is that there are a lot of people at the SFA and SPL are kacking themselves at the financial implications of having no Rangers but it seems to me that they look at teh income and ignore the costs. SFL chaimen are starting to see that the added costs of a Rangers pheonix being in SFL 3 is potentially crippling so your terms may not get a chance to be aired. Then again, humility was never the strong point of your support..

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Who is to say that if Rangers said they did nt want to go to Div1 that the sfa might say well you wont get a licence to enter Div 3 me thinks they have use by the Balls.

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08 Jul 2012 21:31:21
hibs fan here guys, i think whats happening to your club is a pure disgrace. its not just me all my friends feel the same. the same thing nearly happened to us many years ago & no one gave a sh**. i genuinlly hope youse get out of this, as far as im concerned all fans need to stick together on this. without us the games finished. good luck

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Thanks hibee,at long last some sentiment,good luck for the season mate,may see you in the cup.

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08 Jul 2012 21:12:09
suso and craig beattie free agents get them on board!!

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Suso has gone back to Tenerife and Beattie is in talks with Notts County.

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08 Jul 2012 21:02:50
Gratuitous Alienation

Charles Green isn't going to give us the opportunity to support a new Rangers.The above us going to ruin any chance of this.
We've lost Rangers and any chance to see anything resembling then for atleast a generation.

We better get used to hearing that "Gratuitous Alienation ".

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If Rangers go to the third they'll never get the revenue to buy their way out of it.
No support turning up or interested. No revenue to buy better players, forever languishing in their mediocracy.

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Gratuitous alienation ? That's like tipping Aliens? Right?

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08 Jul 2012 20:53:32
If Brown says that his mate had an 11 million knocked back from D&P the week before Green got the go ahead then if an investigation takes place surely the new liquidators would not be happy?
Any body got any idea if Browns mate did bid? And if D&P were found guilty of giving Green the go a head if a bigger big was on the table what could happen?

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D&P needed a guarantee they got their fee of £5.5m. Green's bid assured this. D&P were not interested in the creditors only making sure they spun things out long enough to create a large bill, and then got a purchase price large enough to cover it. Job done!

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They should be investigated for the sake of creditors but does anyone care enough to do this?

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