Rangers Banter Archive January 09 2013

 

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09 Jan 2013 22:32:13
I'm a Celtic fan as many of you know. I posted a piece yesterday saying I was against the 12-12-18 (it won the "agree" battle 10-5 when I saw it last, I'd imagine it would have been a landslide had some of you waited till Charles voiced it's opinion but that isn't my point.)

I think he is correct to be annoyed, however as an associate member, as we all know, Rangers do not have any voting rights. They knew that going into Division 3 and despite the huge fan support they have had it doesn't do anything at chairman/board level alas regards SFL decisions.

I have no problem with what Charles Green has said today however maybe he should talk to the PR guru before speaking, early this week Jim Traynor said the following.

"Rangers, who are simply getting on with their own affairs asking no favour from anyone."

"We'll work through the divisions and we will return stronger and better than ever before."

And to end his piece, this already outdated classic.

"Tolerance and sanity. That's what Rangers will demonstrate and maintain, especially when back at the summit."

Now I'm thinking that doesn't come close to Green's bold statement today in tone nor intent, thoughts?

Gaz

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I like Green but he does make stupid comments, the nonsense of threatening to leave is stupid, because there is no where to go, simple as that.

However whether we have a vote or not we should have been included in talks. Whether they like it or not, and they don't, we are one of only two teams of any stature. We attract a huge percentage of the total fans that go to watch football in this country, we supply a huge percentage of the total income to Scottish football, those are the facts. For us not to be even included in talks is another slap in the face, and our face still hurts from previous slaps.

The promise was that the fans would be included in any discussions, all of a sudden the deal is done, it really is a sham. What's the rush for next season?
Why is there such a hurry?

There is clearly problems doing this quickly, the rules at the start of the season are out the window, new rules which mean that this season is meaningless. That is not fair to anybody.

I may well being paranoid that this is being rushed through to put the boot in, again, to our club. This should be brought in, if it needs to be brought in, the following season, when people know the rules and the prizes. I feel that had they done that, Rangers would have won the second div and would go into top tier a year earlier. That may not be right, but I think that is what Green is annoyed about.

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This has failed in two different countries already so why do the clowns who made the league split which has already failed think this idea is beta it's sheer stupidity

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How can we work our way through divisions if they keep changing the set-up?

Blueice

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@3. That's a pretty stupid comment unless you are planning on taking about 10 years to work your way up the leagues. When have you even known leagues to be reconstructed every year or two?
Al

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09 Jan 2013 21:33:47
I read that the winners of tier two will be awarded a
title and trophy, then split with 14 games to go, with
4 from SPL. If they win the league and finish 5th they
Are in same league as they won. What?

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Tier one plays for championship and europe places.

tier two plays for championship places and relegation to div 1

tier three plays for relegation to div. 2

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I think we should boycott all sfl away games if they vote this league reconstruction through then they might think again

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@2. Nice try mate. Keep fishing!

Brian

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@2 haha good one
DB77

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09 Jan 2013 21:06:51
Since we are looking at the A league and taking M Ryan on trial, we really should consider Tom Rogic too (currently on trial with Celtic), he has potentials plus, local boy has come out of no where in last 3-4yrs, plus just to piss the other mob off, we need to recuit youth, we have had some good Australian players at RFC in the past so why not continue with these 2 ? These Ex pro's should be telling them about the history of our great club, ex Captain Craig Moore should be getting in their ear and giving us feedback about who to look at, I personally don't watch the A League here in Australia (not my cup of T) but doesnt mean there isnt talent available at transfer cost we can afford plus wages, just putting it out there ? Wal Canberra

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Wasn't it trying to copy Celtic that got you into this mess in the first place? Obsessed with our big cup and our trialists now, deary me.

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Yes I'm sure he will turn down celtic to play for a 3rd division club. Jj

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Opportunities to play against Barcelona or Brechin, I can see his dilemma.

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@3 your going on as though your team plays Barcelona every season!! Celtic qualifying for the group stages has been the exception rather than the rule in recent years. Don't get me wrong they have done exceptionally well this year but don't be surprised if you fail to make the group stages next year as is usually the norm in scotland

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He is a 20 year old player so too old to sign in this window or next. He has no rangers connections, why would he risk stalling his career to sign a pre contract. I think some people have very little grasp of reality.
DB77

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09 Jan 2013 21:05:33
if we ever find a way out of the scottish league to a decent professional set up. it will be one of the greatest days of my life. laughing stock of europe we are

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Its been a laughing stock for years, but if you had your way Rangers would have walzed back into the SPL, collected the oldco membership no questions asked, and had a vote on league reconstruction even though you don't have 4 years accounts to show. imagine how much of a diddy league we would have looked then? We would be a diddy league, with no morals, no integrity (yes that word again) or respect from anywhere across europe.

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Yes your right and who made it that way with their greed lies and cheating
Calum

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After Charles Greens statement today and Traynors article the day before I doubt its just Europe who are in stitches

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09 Jan 2013 21:05:21
Can all these people in favour of the new construction proposals explain to me how the top mini league of 8 will lead to more competitive games? It seems that Liewell is more than happy to spout about more competitive games but as long as it doesn't include his team. Can't believe or maybe I can that those gullible chairman in the SPL have went with Liewell and believed his lies about the merits of this reconstruction

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The other managers are all big and ugly enough to talk up for themselves.Why must you have a scapegoat all the time?People won't agree if it's not in their own interest.

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Last 8 games of season in each tier vital, nail bitters, like helicopter saturday, but not between two teams, but between 24 teams for championship, euro-places, 4 team promotion/relegate between each of the three leagues.

wow. every game in last 8 weeks a decider of epic proportions.

or status quo, where celtic win every champ by easter with 6 games in hand, and rangers win lower leagues by feb, and when and if rangers ever return to top it takes 7 years to stop celtic on 9in. a row run.....

both celtic and rangers both done 9in a row.... getting boring

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Was wondering how lOng it would you start going on about Celtic and pl. ok so even though he dosent run everything or controls all of scottishfooball, let's just say he does to make you happy. With all the money and deals he has made for Celtic bringing them to new hieghts around the world why wouldnt the league listen to this man, for it could only be good for all of Scottish football. Why do you keep thinking he cares about your new club? He has nothing to do with it and whenever they try to get him or any Celtic member they do not answer because of ppl like you and your club just yells out wtv it is saying how it's not fair to your club when it has nothing to do wit yous.

Why are you not asking yourself why your club keeps yelling at everyone about how you dot get special treatment? Ex that dumb dumb article that was written by your new pr guy and today with green. Sounds to me he regrets taken over the club cause the special treatment after the years is over, sounds like he wants out and not the club. Leave Celtic out of it you have no connection and they don't want anything to do with you, so stop living in the past wih your dead club and move forward with your new one with new look and attitude. Do you think anybody wants to associate themselves to a club that just shouts out anger all the time, green no league would take your new club.

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Why do your fans continue to try and blame PL for the reconstruction, this dose not benifit celtic, but we have had to go along with it as more clubs will benifit finacially. When PL talks about more competative games he dose not mean for the title but the rest of the league. I see specifically leading up to the split then the top eight will compete for Europe, (yes I know Celtic should win but the competition for 2nd and 3rd will be tight). The middle and bottom eight should be very competative for promotion/relegation.
Im not a fan of splitting leagues personally, but I can now see some merits having looked at closer.
I think the 16-10-16 league would be better but just like your club im not entitled to a vote.
DB77

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09 Jan 2013 20:42:14
42 teams in the set up...why not 14-14-14...play -offs at the top and bottom of the 2nd and 3rd division just like in england....i agree wi green...this season becomes meaningless and just watch the crowds disperse.....the spl apart from celtic is a joke with the league basically won already....in fact celtic are playing crap as well being dragged down to the level of all the other amateurs......this new set up will transform our game from nearly stone dead to dead........playing teams 4 times a year is a joke.....end of....deecee

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The Rangers are the ones playing the amateurs mate lol

I agree with the 14-14-14 idea though.

I would however prefer Chucky's version though 14-14-13 and adios Newco

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That's the one thing they (Sky) are not prepared to give up Deecee, they desperately want those 4 Celtic/Rangers games. They'd do the same with Man U, Liverpool, Man C, Arsenal and Chelsea too if they could.

I'm not old enough to recall the politics of the SPL as of the 70's when it came in, I was 9 or so but obviously don't remember the pro/con argument of it but given the Old Firm games kicked off at 3pm on a Saturday like any other then TV wasn't the over-riding issue, now it is, for good or bad. And unfortunately any structure will see them desperately try and cling on to the 4 top games if and when it is renewed.

Gaz

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14-14-14 with each leagues splitting after everybody played each other twice top six and bottom eight to play home and away . One up automatically and a play off for a second place.

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09 Jan 2013 20:20:26
David Longmuir seems to have changed his views on league reconstruction in six or so months. Whats your thoughts fellow bears PB

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This deal smacks of a set up. The SFL plan which is more like what the fans want has been dropped without any fight, I think he has a nice position lined up. I thought he was the one who came out of the whole debacle with any merit. It seems to me that he speak with forked tongue

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09 Jan 2013 20:01:56
look on the bright side at least next year in the bottom tear you will still have your cheap season tickets ... or will you ?? top dollar to watch the same teams as this year ?? interesting times ahead... sponsorship deals... fallen attendances... unhappy players and i thought everyone was obsessed with THE RANGERS seems no other club gives a hoot oh well onward s and upwards

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Ignoring the usual cheap shots at the club you actually have a valid point. This may be the real reason why Charles Green seems so angry tonight as it blows to bits his idea of increasing the price of season tickets next year. With 1 less game and mostly the same menu as this season how can he possibly raise prices especially if money is still tight

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@1 It would appear that you will back your team up to a point and no further, ie spending more money on your season ticket. AYE you's are the peeple.
Tam

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09 Jan 2013 19:38:06
charles green is correct. Time we got the heck outa dodge. If this reconstruction is the best they can come up with. Whereby we end up playing the same teams next year, despite winning the league. We would have been as well finishing last, with a second team. AND playing a year of friendly games against foreign teams with the main team. Scottish football has made it clear they do not want rangers. I for one do not want them. They have undermined us at every opportunity. We should exhaust all avenues to get to some other league. Could we do any worse than with this shower. I think not

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Would you have preferred the SFL proposal? It would have meant exactly the same for Rangers next year. Both proposals and the status quo mean promotion back to the top (if successful) in the same timeframe.

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What company ceo after floatation says lets leave scottish footbal, after raising £22 million win plans to rise thru scottish leagues to cl.... bang goes that plan

watch the share price collapse when investors see ceo leaving scotland football with no where to go!

sheer madness, last ceo to speak this stupidly was gerrard ratner... remember him.......

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Where can rangers go? ....nowhere, think logically, thought this was about makin friends on the journey, big Chico is some front man, voice of the people, farcical!

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OP who has made it clear your not wanted ?. Will still take you the same length of time to reach the top. That's if Chico allow's you
Tam

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09 Jan 2013 19:23:16
when does the sky deal run out, i was wondering if the big rush to come under one umbrella might be so the spl clubs can retain our viewing rights . without them where does all the money come from thats being promised
skyebear

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09 Jan 2013 19:21:07
Celtic announce their new sponsor Magners, well actually to be more factual Celtic announce a new product to be advertised on their shirt Magners.

Same company who ownes Tennets.

Now the punch line; just read on that Mangers is an anagram of Gers Man, you can't make this stuff up lol!!!!!!!!

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Yes same company but one who want a bigger brand on the celtic shirt with more money while asking rangers to stick with tennants at a reduced level

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How desperate is that ?
anagrams of sponsors ?
the shirt deal is worth almost as much as mr. green (ahem) paid for the whole shebang. thatll do for us. cheers.

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"MANGERS is an anagram of Gers Man, you can't make this stuff up, lol!!!!"

Cheers for that mate. Didn't know Jesus was born in blue! I think you are just making it up, lol!

Brian

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09 Jan 2013 19:20:35
since i live in london.only talk show concerning rangers i can get is clyde. is this radio celtic or what. rarely gis there any gers callers.its all septics. usually talking rubbish and tripe aboot us

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Must be a different Radio Clyde then, or you have very selective hearing.

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Sounds like nobodies gives a jot about you down South!!

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@2 nobody gies a jot about them worldwide lol why you think they went into administration! No one stood up other than another vulture sniffing a rotting carcas!

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09 Jan 2013 19:13:21
I see Lawell at sceptic bumping his gums about the proposed reconstruction.saying he thinks its for the best.typical.They will vote to keep Rangers down.the only way they will ever match our trophy haul.the most undignified club in football.Lets get out of Scottish football.let them drown in their own stupidity.Rangers Always.

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How will it keep Rangers down? It would take 3 years to go through the divisions with promotion every season in the current system; it'll take the same with the proposed system which has more opportunity for promotion.

Explain how this would keep Rangers down...

Furthermore, don't you think that Lawwell will be wanting the best for his business rather than the worst for Rangers - that's his job, after all. to believe otherwise suggests bitterness and idiocy on your part.

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God when will you learn it's not all about you . Nobody is voting to keep you down . Even your new best pal Longmuir is behind these changes . And as for undignified you've got a cheek as your former club left creditors with nothing . The only thing we will be drowning in is Magners while you are wolfing down your Frosty Jack.........DH

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The whole of Scottish football is on board with this heavily thought through model.
Nothing is 100% perfect when it comes to such things. People can nit pick if they wish. But it's the best solution.
You've just sour grapes at not being able to skip a division to the top. That's all your looking for.

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Spot on mate it was laughable to hear his comments tonight about more competitive games. Don't see how the new proposals make the top league of 8 more competitive. If he really meant it he would have agreed that the should also start with all teams on zero points

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Green:"In what league do you win a division and then end up playing the same teams again the following season? There is no meaning to it, in reality."

clearly he does not know that winning div1 in scotland is not auto promotion to apl, you ground must also be big enought.

welcome to scottish football mr green, green by name and nature... bamstead utd makes sense now, grrs fans invested but are heading to english leagues

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Undignified ! Peter Lawell was giving an honest view on the way forward for Scottish football, but of course it's Anti ~ the Rangers . Your new found hero Mr see Green is the man who is turning more and more people against The Rangers with his increasingly ludicrous rantings ..Please remember he will walk away with a few million at the end of this saga., .Forget boycotts and support your club wherever they go ., as you keep telling us "we don't do walking away"

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Could you maybe explain how it keeps rangers down? No alteration to the time scale for return to the top league.

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Don't seem like drowning at the moment---if anything doing the best, in every way, for years.Maybe Charles has plans in place as he seemed so sure of himself tonight.

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To 3] As I have asked in a later post, could you give the positives within the revised proposal. Please exclude keeping us in the lowest tier.
Billy B.

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5) yeah but that rule now changes, if I was one of those denied entry to SPL because of their ground, I would be looking for my lawyers number quickly.
Now any ground is ok, no more need for undersoil heating, so those that have invested in their grounds, you shouldn't have bothered.

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I can never really understand why so many fellow bears have such a low opinion of peter lawell, quite frankly I had never really heard of him until a few years ago and then it was only because Arsenal made him a big offer to join them, for me that says it all and quite frankly i wish we had signed him before they had, pretty sure we would still be in the spl.jaz.rtid.

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@3 "The whole of Scottish football is on board with this heavily thought through model. Nothing is 100% perfect when it comes to such things. People can nit pick if they wish. But it's the best solution. You've just sour grapes at not being able to skip a division to the top. That's all your looking for."

That is a farcical statement to make, particularly the first line. The 'whole' of Scottish football is not 'on board'. All of the opinion polls conducted stated that the fans wanted a bigger league structure yet they keep it at twelve and don't consult the season ticket holders of the clubs who participated in said surveys (the paying customers) on what product they would like to see. Furthermore, the SFL chairmen have not given it the green light yet and wish to seek clarification on the 'fairer' distribution of wealth, the representation of lower league clubs on the board, and voting rights before signing up to it. They had a collection of SFL chairmen on Radio Scotland tonight stating that they had been given little or no details on the proposals to date. This included the Alloa chairman who, despite one of his fellow staff being privy to the discussions, admitted even he did not know all of the details. Hardly the whole of Scottish football on board then, if the fans and the current SFL club chairmen are in the dark, is it?

Secondly, you are having a laugh with the 'heavily thought through model'. Read the numerous valid criticisms of it and the subsequent lack of support shown for it by fans of the various clubs who post on here. Did the powers that be study the effects this league set up had in other countries that have tried it before proposing it? It doesn't look like it when it has failed miserably and been replaced by another model in each one. It also seems like a rush job to me, particularly if they want it pushed through for the start of next season. Why the rush if it is nothing to do with Rangers (one for the conspiracy theorists), as we can't vote on it and it has already been confirmed that we can't progress quicker through the proposed reconstruction (both perfectly acceptable to me as we only have associate member status and as such are not entitled to a vote, and I would rather we returned through the leagues on merit). "Best solution"? Explain that one to me as I am far from convinced. If it wasn't such a serious crossroads for our game I would laugh at it. Unfortunately these proposals are genuinely being put forward. Other fans talk about sheep blindly following Green at the expense of the club they support, guess what you sound like? Baaaah!

Brian

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09 Jan 2013 18:16:42
The lunatics really are running the asylum!
This proposed new dawn is beyond belief. You are
going to get the bottom four teams in SPL resting players to be fit for the fourteen game play off. You can finish 9th
in SPL, have a horrendous injury list and not finish in top four so get relegated. The fourth team in second tier can
hit form for 5 games and finish four thin the play off league
and get promoted to SPL. What!

They seem to think this play off league will attract higher
crowds, how? A play off between Thistle and Falkirk is not going to attract 20,000, they will get the same as they
do now, bugger all. It has failed dramatically in the
two countries where it has been used, take the hint FFS.

The SPL clubs are giving £1m of their money, how does that improve them?. The SFL clubs will get £30k each, how
is that going to improve them?

I have to say Mr Green is correct we have no future in
Scotland, a club that provides 35-40% of the fans who
watch football in this country has not even been given
a vote. It is beyond belief. So much for the fans will
decide. The problem of course is there is nowhere to go.

We are letting these lunatics, Regan & Doncaster, who
have made mistake after mistake, who have failed in
everything that they could have, we are letting these
people decide the future of our national game. Both
should have been out of work in the summer and now
this!

Our only hope is that those SFL clubs who refused to
be blackmailed in the summer show that they will not
be blackmailed by the offer of £30k a year. However I
fear that Longmuir who is the only one to come out
with any credit may be just as bad, you can't help think
this was a deal done in the summer, as the SFL idea of
new set up which is far more aligned to the fans view,
has died a death without a fight.

The bottom line is no more money, no more fans, same teams, same players - same dross!

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Don't forget your new pal Longmuir who's supporting this.

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Most of your diatribe is dross and wrong.
However, just watching Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir being photographed together for tomorrows press on the internal stairs at Hampden. Longmuir was the happiest with the biggest smile. He has nodded through a deal that keeps rangers punting money into bottom SFL tier. Whilst securing his own future executive director role in the new setup.

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Rangers fc lost their vote by going bust.

you are assosiate members, no vote.

you can leave or wait 4years to gain a vote when you can supply 4 years accounts.

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2) op here, perhaps you would like to explain what is "wrong and dross".

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3) democracy at work in your world, how is it right that you can take our money, the club with the biggest support that provides more fans than the rest put together (except Celtic) does not get a say. You are one of the "I'm alright Jack, who cares" brigade.

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09 Jan 2013 18:01:23
so rangers will still be the bottom divison next year, so why did i buy a season ticket when all the games now are meaning -less, time to see my lawyer i won't compo from the spl sfa sfl

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Good luck. You'll need it.

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You bought a ticket for this season - you got a season of matches. Find a lawyer to take you on and youre just throwing money away. Your ticket doesnt guaranteee you good or meaningful games - just entry to a game.

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The Rangers FC Ltd sold you the ticket. Your beef is with that vendor.
There will still be a div3 champion this year and the games will still be played.

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@op You've enjoyed all the games and the big crowds-- you were supporting the team regardless of the wee clubs playing against us.No one promised us anything so why moan now. Enjoy it as we nearly didn't have a club.

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Winning division 3 two years on the trot another world record
Calum

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OP, would you be seeking legal advice if your club were struggling and not looking at promotion?
This self righteous attitude is what got your old club killed in the first place!
Your club doesn't sit at the so called big table anymore (and rightfully so!) so best get used to it!

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09 Jan 2013 17:26:23
Is the agenda of the anti-Rangers brigade that post on this site solely intent on negativity or is there one person that could make comment on the benefits to Scottish football of the proposed set-up.
As I have recently posted, it suits us because it lets our young players mature and become stronger.
We have accepted our situation and are adapting accordingly, so please sort out the mess that is there and cut your cloth to suit, as no longer will we be the soft touch that kept the bulk of the top teams 'alive'.
Just one comment promoting the changes and imagine there is no disagree button, just positivity. Check the definition, if unsure.
Billy B.

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Still no positives?
Billy B.

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Well maybe look at it the other way Billy, how about a negative view with out any "woe is me" and "how can they do these terrible things to the new club i now support" attitude and maybe people might stop laughing long enough to look at the situation outside of your new Club's position :-)

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To comment 2]. You obviously do not understand the point being made. I accept our situation and there is no 'woe is me' attitude. Our young players will grow in stature and we will progress accordingly, but there is no benefit to Scottish football with the new structure. What I am asking is, where are the positives for the game as a whole? In my opinion--none.
Billy B.

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09 Jan 2013 17:22:00
Just been reading Charles greens statement and applaud his frankness and passion to want the best for our club. To have a club and fan base the size of ours and be snubbed completely not allowed to take part in the restructure debate is beyond belief. Let's find the quickest and most attractive way out of Scottish football we can and leave all the petty minded amatures behind to pick the remains from the carcass!

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First year associates don't get a vote. Thats the rule. Live with it. New teams have no rght to vote.

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He accepted an associate membership knowing he had no voting rights. Only moaning because it dosnt suit rangers. Think of the othe clubs that it does suit. Just think if the team wasn't liquidated this wouldn't be happening.

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Why can't you understand the situation? Green gave up voting rights to gain acceptance to the league system, which if the rules had been followed you should have not, Green as usual playing to the gallery.

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Hes giving headlines to his press lackeys to try and deflect you from the real news. hes always known he had no vote, . celtic are distancing themselves from the old firm tag by the shirt deal with c+c. charlie is getting it worse than your team got in the last ever old firm game and he knows it. if he could leave scottish football hed be gone already. it can't be done. so far his outbursts have got him nowhere. watch for more when celts play juve, and if celts win he will probably have to do a streak down argylle st. to get press coverage.

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09 Jan 2013 15:19:42
This league proposal is madness. It makes most games that most teams play during the season completly irrelevant. May as well play eenie meeni minnie moo to decide who wins leagues. I don't understand it, and if I dont, then god knows how Ally and Lennon will understand the format, hardly algebra addicts either of them. Who dreamt this up?

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Yous are already playing eenie meeni minnie moo in meaningless games for a meaningless title so whats new when yous get back to the top you might appreciate it more

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I think it must have been a joke in someone's Christmas cracker.

Blueice

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Not a Rangers fan.But am a football fan. These personic proposals by the football authorities in Scotland are nothing short of ludicroius. I look forward to the day Celtic and Rangers ply ther trade here in England. 50 000 fans minimum ecery week. Bring it on man.

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1) is this the best you can do, this is the future of our national game, and you have to have a pop at us. For the first time in my life I visited the Celtic page last night to see what Celtic fans thought of this new set up. There was not one mention of it, I am alright Jack?

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Oh dear, sounds like glamour of lower league football is becoming a chore, if everything that happened to old rangers had happened to any other club including begining in div3, would you allow them straight back in to spl?

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No1 I wonder which team you support eh.

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Why does Scotland need such a "creative" league set-up in the first place? Are the leagues using the more "traditional" set-up lacking in something? May the farce continue lol. CheltBlue

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This will only lead to more clubs not letting youngsters through as they won't want to be in bottom 4 as it will increase chances of relegation what a farce. And why exclude Rangers with such a large support we should now boycott all away games next year if pushed through

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This will only lead to more clubs not letting youngsters through as they won't want to be in bottom 4 as it will increase chances of relegation what a farce. And why exclude Rangers with such a large support we should now boycott all away games next year if pushed through

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Wonder if Liewell would have been so smug tonight if the proposal had been that all teams in the 3 split leagues start on 0 points. Strange how he is in favour of only the middle one starting that way. He talks about more competitive games yet only when it doesn't apply to his team

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Aye septic fans paying money to watch drivel

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@4 didn't hear you make a lot of noise about the lower div's struggle a season ago.

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@10. The reason the middle 8 start from zero points is because 4 each are from different leagues. Not rocket science or 'strange' at all.

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@ 11 ha ha ha ha ha and your not, you could not make it up
Tam

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09 Jan 2013 14:09:09
So it's all go to get the proposed league reconstruction
up and running for next season 2013/2014
No doubt this will involve an EGM but it does prompt the question, where is the Sporting Integrity as any decision taken at this stage in the season will benefit some clubs more that others given their current league position, and the fact that half a season has aleady been played.
In the interests of fairness (whats that) all clubs should
commence a season in the knowledege that their level
of performance throughout the entire season, will determine exactly where they will play the following season.There is no doubt that the new League set up is an extra incentive to all clubs which in the
interests of that often used comment Sporting Integrity would and should have been announced at the start of this season if going to be effective 2013/2014 and if the decision is agreed during this season then the changes should take place season 2024/2015

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Even in Junior or Amateur circles any alteration that can have a serious effect on any club would be subject to notification prior to the start of any league campaign not half way through

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What has sporting integrity got to do with it ?? before its passed it needs a 75% vote so would that not be fairness ?? im not convinced its the best way forward but what is this sporting integrity all about

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You wouldn't be moaning if you were in the SPL. Get on with it. Mind you said div 3 was the place to be.

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Not at all. Every club should be trying to win every game at every outing. No change to that for the first half of this year. It's important to make the change soon. Former first minister mcleish's report underlines this.
Seems the OP is searching for weak excuses to benefit Rangers only, by being promoted to div2 this year instead of bottom tier again next year. This attitude isn't in the best interest of Scottish football and is single club small mindedness.

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09 Jan 2013 11:55:59
Looks like CG was correct after all when he said he would not take us back to play in the current SPL

JG

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Of coarse he would be correct he kept mccoist as manager

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How can you make rules halfway through a season that affects next season spl sfa balloons

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09 Jan 2013 12:42:44
Given lots of supporters of other teams, in particular the current SPL teams all made no effort to hide their dislike for Rangers, and told their chairman that they would not
purchase season tickets if Rangers were allowed to participate in the SPL this season, i wonder if there will
be such a tidal wave of concern for their other claims about wanting larger league divisions, now that it looks
like the proposed league re-construction is not really
what they wanted. Will we see a serious effort by all the
supporters of the current SPL teams to jointly advise
their chairman that they won't be buying season tickets
next season if the new league proposals go through??
Dont hold your breath.

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I'm glad you mentioned the supporters of other clubs. A lot of you have referenced those fans regards ultimately what happened to Rangers and you're probably correct. However it is also well accepted and well documented in here that Charles Green has either a) been saying what the fans want to hear or more directly b) doing what the fans want him to do, eg the Tannadice boycott. It begs the question are Rangers the only team allowed to acknowledge and act on their fans views?

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When will you and some of your other bears realise that its not a burning hatred of The Rangers by the SPL, it was the proposal from Doncaster/Regan that your old club could walk away from over £100m in debt and pretend nothing happened which angered people like Thompson and Petrie who downright refused to let you away with it; always looking to deflect the blame.

G93

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Just different thing. 1 was for fairness. end of

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The three governing bodies, who have now designed and agreed on what they believe is the best model will now embark on fan consultations.......
It's a logical process, achieve unity first by thrashing out any differences. Regardless all the teams involved know their fans positions.

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Think 1) is missing the point that post is asking.

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Can rangers fans explain why they wanted to go to the 3rd division before the vote was took ?? and why they threatened to boycott away matches if they got into spl even green and ally said they wanted the 3rd so whats the difference with other fans and your own ?? or was it a case of you where bluffing thinking you would go straight to the top and make out it was against your wishes ??

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Reply one is totally missing the poiint, the initial post simply asks one question which is if supporters of other clubs in particular the SPL clubs having already stated they want a larger SPL actually now tell their respective Chairman that they wone support the proposed changes.
Reply two does not mention hatred or is it factual that Regan and Doncaster allowed Rangers to avoid paying £100 million of a debt. Check your facts the recent EBT decision clearly confirms that this debt was fabicated for various reasons, but presumed to be accurate by the likes of Thompson Petrie etc.
Finally Reply 4 are you serious when you suggest that the recent proposals for League Reconstruction are the first step in the right direction, as it will then follow with fan consultations and this is the logical process. Total nonsence, what will happen is that providing the SFL clubs over the next two weeks support the already agreed proposal by the SFA/SPL then the decision is carried and its 12 12 18 and no amount of opinion of the fans will alter that FACT

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@2 when will you lot realise that the HMRC lost their case with the debt owed by RFC to the HMRC vastly reduced.
You are still quoting pre November figures as if the decision never happened.
Of course the HMRC may appeal but they will have to prove they have grounds to do so. Until then the decision stands, it happened.
You really are blind to launch an attack on bears while moving the goalposts to suit yourself. The spl chairmen wanted to believe the HMRC figure and used it to suit their own aims. BDO are raising court action against Whyte's solicitors for £25m, an action first started by Duff and Phelps. Now if that is concluded where will that money end up?
You are simply being morally indignant - jealousy with a halo.

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@2 where are you getting the figure £100 million of debt ?

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Fan consultations after the proposal of 12 12 18 is agreed is never going to happen who are you kidding, the only good thing that has come out of this proposal is that at long last Scotland might have all football under one organisation, but lets see who gets all the appointments Regan Lawell Petrie Thompson Doncaster

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2) how many inaccuracies can you have in 4 lines, plenty by the looks of things.It was not any proposal by Regan or Doncaster to let us away as if nothing happened. What are you talking about? They made rules that don't exist, they blackmailed us to accept illegal punishments, they tried to blackmail the SFL clubs in putting us into div one to protect the money income for SPL. They withheld our money to the tune of £2m plus.

Next piece of rubbish, Rangers were not £100m in debt, absolute nonsense.

Get away with it as nothing happened, do you know we are in div three, do you know we have no Europe for three years. Glad nothing happened, it is people like you that just talk dross and some other numbskull believes it and then it's fact. Same dross as RTC.com

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BBC article mentioned final oldco debt potentially £128m so that's the very latest position from BDO. Inclusive of Ticketus £26.8m

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09 Jan 2013 11:53:15
once again scottish football has shown itself to be the laughing stock of world football with this laughable new structure. most folk would want a 16 team top league. 16 team second league and the rest amateur. what benefit is there for us to win the third division. we are as well finishing last, as we will be in the same league anyway.

what a joke. i hope and pray one day we can get out of this league to another league, like some sort of european league. and stuff the lot of them. total joke. we can never forget these teams treatment of us when we do get back. never settle for two nil wins again. i want these persons beat 5 s and 6 s

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Reconstruction isnt needed just to benefit rangers but the whole of scottish football. My team will be involved in play offs under this proposal that hopefully will boost our attendances. you gers fans are so narrowminded

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Try and calm down.The sixteen team league, while in theory always sounds good, is a pretty poor idea.Yes, you will be in the same league technically, but the time scale of promotion will not be affected.A trophy will be won and you will be closer to the top league.Please stop this "teams treatment of us" nonsense. No one is treating you better or worse than any one else.Your club don't have a vote as you are affiliate members, a rule for every new club

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You where out the league when you got liquidated so if thats how you feel why did you re apply to join again with your new club

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It's not all about us I'm afraid. Having said that the league idea is ridiculous.

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Would you care who won division 3 if rangers were in SPL? Just get on with it.

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16 team league in scotland is fantasy, bar the top 2 (once we're back) and the bottom 2 or 3 you'll have 10 teams playing for literally nothing every single year.

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Wel never forget those teams that hate us but now lets sit back and watch them go bust one by one

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The 16 team leagues are better in theory but we have previously seen situations where clubs stadiums are not suitable to be promoted, this would be worse with a larger league. The simple matter is unless we have smaller teams with more finances the 16 can't work. I admitt ive not got a better plan but then again im not being paid high wages by the football orginizations to come up with one.
DB77

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To #6 How is it fantasy the English Premiership and Spanish La Liga have the exact same set up as you described. 2 maybe 3 teams that could win it, a couple at the bottom for relegation and the rest have nothing to play for.

With a 16 team league it would be more than 2 or 3 in relegation battle as there would be more getting relegated + playoffs, so there could be 6 or more teams in that battle

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@1 there are no play offs in the new set up. Keep up.

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This setup is the biggest laugh since benny hill

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@10..fair point the games after the split wouldnt be considered as play offs but the principle of playing additional games aimed to win promotion is similar to play off's so from that perspective they would be excited from clubs with no chance of winning the league or euro places

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16 doesn't work because it means only 15 home games which is normally 4 less than at present. Less Money for clubs. Only alternative would be 20 and playing twice a season.

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09 Jan 2013 11:14:59
Well fellow bears I'm picking my tickets up for tannidice on friday when they go on sell to the public . Will bring back memories of the 90s when ii was needing to put on a dundee tweng to get tickets for the home end. Been to tannidice when atleast 8.000 of the supports was gers . All this when mr green was supporting some sheffield team. No way I'm letting my boys go to tannidice like lambs to the slaughter with out me being there to back them. People may say I'm lining the pockets but if that the case I have lined fergus mccann pockets awell. Mr green need to know that we go everywhere and we don't care!

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Great post well said mate "Lambs to the slaughter" is whats stuck in my mind about this match were really going to struggle to get through this tie with no support. Obviously if it goes pear shaped it will be McCoists fault though. Ian Black Fran Sandaza these kind of games should be a walk in the park seen as use like so much time on the ball lets see it boys!

Larky Bear

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As Jock Stien said football is nothing without the supporters and every team needs them so i applaud your stance hopefully loads of other true fans will also be there to cheer on thier team
rangobango
ps it is about time we all moved on and tried to improve the game here lets hope this is the last time any supporters start shouting boycott boycott. Hurry back i am missing my old firm games and don't mind admitting it just not missing personic comments/paranoia of people who should know much better

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Three good posts we must support our team whenever we can in whatever way we can. I'm afraid my previous concerns about CG are comming to fruition with his latest outburst he must like the sound of his own voice. He should tread carefully or he could cause us problems in the future with sponsors or legislators when this mess is fixed out. That is if he intends to stick around.
Bobby

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09 Jan 2013 10:58:21
From BBC:

Charles Green's Rangers were only granted entry to the SFL last summer following their meltdown - on condition they start in Division Three as associate members.

They are therefore excluded from voting for four seasons and will not be polled when SFL clubs go to the ballot on reconstruction at an egm, most likely next month.

The SFL needs 22 of its 29 members with full voting rights to go with the change and clubs will pore over details of yesterday's talks before the egm is called.

A Scottish League spokesman said: "As an associate member, Rangers will have no voting rights on the new structure."

One SFL insider said: "It's a bit cheeky of Rangers to ask to be involved in talks when they don't even have a vote.
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Due to not having 4 years accounts to get into SFL, rangers were only given associate membership for the first four years which doesn't include voting rights. We tend to forget that. This status will continue in the new amalgamated single body setup.

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Just because your not entitled to a vote doesnt mean you shouldnt be allowed to hear the views of others to form an opinion

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Great isn't it, we fill away grounds bringing much need cash to these SFL teams, yet we can't even be included in talks about the future of our game.

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@2, maybe you should realise that your club is not the saviour of Scottish lower league football. I don't think the clubs are not making as much as you think. Given that the last time your team were Shielfield Park £4 from every £10 ticket went to policing. As a result, tickets for your next visit to Berwick are up to £15. I don't think Berwick made much more money from the full house as they would from a normal home game.
Al

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@3 did you try the arithmetic mate

normal gate 400 * 15 quid = 6000
rangers gate 4,000 * ok use your 6 profit = 2, 4000
they have that twice a year, that is a big difference to a small club, and doesnt even count extras like programs catering etc

JG

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09 Jan 2013 09:43:43
The whole set up in scottish football is farcical. To have part time teams in the senior league set up is simply ridiculous. There are about 20/22 full time teams in scotland- the 12 spl teams, most of div 1 (exc dumbarton and cowdenbeath- i think), queen of the south and us. The bottom 2 leagues are a complete waste of time for ourselves and queens. If these other clubs wish to compete in the senior set up they should be made to go full time- simple as that, have a spl 1 and spl2 of 10/12 teams and thats it.

On another point it seems to have escaped everyones attention that the league reconstruction plans of 12-12-18 will have us playing against spl teams a year earlier than we currently would. think about it- the second half of 2014-15 season we will, I'd hope, be in the top 4 of the second 12- therefor from January that season we'll be playing against the bottom sides from spl- who knows, aberdeen, hearts, utd?!? I for one can't wait for until we are back playing those showers on a level footing, not with a transfer embargo or anything. Revenge will be sweet.

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I don't know why your in such a hurry to play SPL sides, as im sure there will be boycotts all round. Or do you intend to boycott the boycott?

Joeshmo1888

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It isn't an spl1&2 anymore its premier league and championship league.

You're very optimistic that Rangers will win everything at first effort back to top tier and appear to be quite negative about that! Strange!

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Most of the part time clubs couldn't afford to go full time. Some of them can barely afford to stay part time. So there is no chance that you will be able to force them.

The Scottish Leagues would be very boring if there were only two tiers of 10/12

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1- I refuse to attend a boycott organised by the tourist yourkshireman, he does not speak for me and our bus is running to tannadice for the cup game. It may annoy you to hear but I'll follow follow til i physically can't manage it anymore.
2. We will canter through div 2 and 3, yes div 1 is a potential banana skin but only at present as its 1 up 1 down, if that changes to top 4 potentially going up then i'd be confident of managing that at the first attempt.
3. I'm well aware most of the clubs can't afford it, bottom line is scottish football can't afford these clubs either- they do not pay their way and bring absolutely nothing to the table (with the greatest respect!). If we just seperate the part timers and full timers we'd have a top 20 or so teams that are reasonably well supported and can sustain themselves- we can move on from there.

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Part time local clubs are doing ok against full time Rangers, what's the point being made?

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Doing well 17 points clear and league won by february

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The new model pushes more money down to part time teams so they will be stronger and better.

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09 Jan 2013 09:23:41
I think the reconstruction is actually going to be good for Ally McCoist. I have posted on here before that I am not confident that under him Rangers would struggle to win the the first division and therefor gain promotion to the SPL now with reconstruction all he has to do is finish in the top 4 now after 22 games then finish in the top 4 of the play off league even McCoist will manage that

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09 Jan 2013 00:53:09
I wonder why frazer aird isn't gettin a start kind of direct player we need only seen him start once against mwell n he ran them ragged imo every bit as guid as mckay watp

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Seems McCoist would rather play striker Andy Little as a winger rather than play Aird. Also against Elgin our midfield consisted of 3 central midfielders and a striker. Very strange line up but that's McCoist for u!

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09 Jan 2013 00:06:33
Once again the fans have no say. The games lifeblood
are ignored again. Not one person I have spoken to
thinks this is a good plan. That is from fans of four
different SPL clubs. How can these two clowns
Regan & Doncaster be allowed to get away with this?

They should have been shown the road to England in
the summer, now I will gladly give them a lift. I will
even pay for the petrol.

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Do you want them to break down on the road, its diesel cars theve got lol doug.t.s.o

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Regan & Doncaster need to go for a start for any plan to work. This new set up won't improve the product whatsoever and as you say fans not consulted as usual

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08 Jan 2013 23:52:45
I need help please, I cannot get my head round this set
up. If the top two leagues of twelve, split after 22 games
Into three 8 team leagues. So the bottom four of the
top tier play the top four in the second div. There are
22 games in first half, so must be 14 games in second
half, so must be home and away. How do you get a
winner? The bottom four of first tier have played
against top teams, so must have less points than the
top teams in tier two. So they must start level again.
Therefore if the team that finishes 4th in second tier, if
they have a great short run can finish top. And if they
finish in top two, where do they start next season, are
they in top tier. Surely not!

If after the split it is knockout then there is even more
chance of that happening, and surely not enough games.
In actual fact it is two different leagues in the same
season. So you can be very poor for the first half and get
promotion to the first tier.how can you have a league where
Teams don't play the same teams.

They also seem to want play offs, surely the whole after split
is then going to be a fourteen game play off. I might
be having a senior moment here and would appreciate
any help you can give me.

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I don't think they have thought through all the scenario. With this set up a team in the second tier could be running away with the league before the split (ie 20 points in front) and then after the split when point are reset they could have a poor run and not get promoted.

You could also end up with a scenario where there is no promotion or relegation between 1st and 2nd tier.

and in the top 8 after the split, if points are carried on. the team in 8th place could be in a position where they can't be relegated and they can't make a european qualification place. So they will be playing for absolutely nothing

I know these scenarios are unlikely to happen but if they did it would turn the whole set up into a farce

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The middle 8 goes back to 0 pts, after the split. Not rocket science?

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08 Jan 2013 23:12:41
I hope Mr Traynor's efforts today are not indicative of what's to come from him. There was no need for any comment at all at all from the club on the SFA proposal, and certainly not the mixed up article on the website slagging another club, its fans and going over the rangers issue last season and sporting integrity. All of that is in the past and nothing to do with restructuring meetings.

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Traynor has always talked and written pure nonsense.

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Traynors article was precise and to the point...it needs to be said and put out there. No more dignified silence! R/R

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I agree this is 2013, we need to be positive and look forward, not back to awful 2012. No more knee jerk reactions Traynor. I can't think of anything more knee jerk than phoning the STV news whilst its on air.

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Is this the same Traynor who was roundly slated on these vary pages? Who was a celtic fan? Who wrote rubbish when he said rangers had died and were a new club?

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Didn't take long for Traynor to be embarrassing, who thought his appointment up, couldn't we get a professional in rather than some opinionated ex media hack ?

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08 Jan 2013 20:21:16
Ed) whoever thought this reconstruction up needs to seriously have a look at themselves.This has not been thought through.Example after 22 games top 4 in the new (Champions League) play bottom4 from Premier Div.Points are wiped clean for the 8 clubs they then play each other twice for the right to play in premier Div following year.Now my point is (Who wins the Champioship) {Ed001's Note - I don't get it. It is nonsense, just nonsense. What is wrong with a normal league programme????}

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Agree new 8-8-8 is mince, but any other system has too many meaningless games, where only one up/down to fight for.

just pass xmas and div 3 is all over.

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