Rangers Banter Archive August 09 2013

 

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09 Aug 2013 22:50:33
This is definitely happening gers fans, if Charles green prevails and wins the power struggle at rangers terry butcher will be the new rangers manager before the turn of the year, 100% garanteed, I will not reveal my very reliable source and trust me if I did and told you his name you wouldn't believe me guys, that's how famous my source is, so let me reiterate, terry butcher WILL be the new rangers manager before the new year with Maurice Malpas as his assistant, just wait and see, it's a definite goer

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Yeah, heard this one myself yesterday

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@op that's a pity cause green will be out on his arse as will Stockbridge and Mather and smart very reliable who's that Charles a wee lie there see if the fans will back him

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That makes 3 of us. Surely can't be a coincidence that we have all heard the same rumour within the last 24 hours. And considering I have heard the same also from an acquaintance of someone particularly famous.

In an ideal world my hero Ally wouldn't have struggled the way he has, but Butcher is the man I have always said would be the perfect replacement for him if the time come for him to go.

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Are you blind or insane or BOTH?. goning bust before then if green stays. george

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Point is fellas, if it's spin from green trying to get fans to back him, then clever boy, but it cannot be trusted. Would love to have big Terry at the brox but can't see it happening. He's doing a grand job where he is and if he does opt to shift, think it will be to England.

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Couldnae care if Green is promising to get Sir Alex on board. Don't want Green anywhere near Rangers. Anyway, why would anyone believe a word that comes out Greens mouth? He's a devious man by his own admission and has told a catalogue of lies over and over again.

You and your friends can stop posting now Imran

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If that's the case the 10 million left just went to 8.4 million as the current Manager and coaching staff will need to be paid off!
I can't see it happening Ally will win this revision easily. I can't see a cup run bringing in 1.6 million.

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Dear God you lot should be concerned if Green stays in charge not who replaces the manager!!

WAKE UP! Green did what we needed him to do at the start NOW HE NEEDS TO GO NOT ALLY!

RTID
GDog

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Funny this rumour comes out the same day Terry Spoke in the paper saying he would have blew his lid if he had to go through some of the things Ally has. Now Terry's been my Candidate for Manager since Smith retired I'd love this too be true but I just can't see it. If Green Sh@t it from Dave Bassett hel not be rattling any cages with Terry Butcher probably go for a wee skinny manager like Pat Fenlon after he gets sacked this weekend. LOL

Larky Bear

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It appears Ally isn't sure who'll win the power struggle for control of Rangers.

“I haven’t made my mind up yet whether I’ll abstain from voting as a shareholder at an egm or not. I will weigh everything up between now and then. I also have not decided whether I will go public on how I vote or not. "

Jim McColl or Charles Green, is it really such a hard decision, Ally?

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Perhaps Ally is trying to learn from past mistakes?

RTID
GDog

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@9 at least fenlon got 2 cup final 2 years in a row

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Ally iks sneaky and will do what ensures he keeps his fat salary

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09 Aug 2013 22:33:33
Well there doesn't seem to be much details coming from last nights meeting! What happened to the so called supporters trusts, assemblies etc. where they not supposed to demand answers.
I don't profess to be a visionary or clairvoyant but It looks like the current board have been very naughty boys! There now needs to be a complete shakeup of the board and the upper and middle management at rangers, let me assure you there are at least 15 people who are employed at rangers that do not deserve to be there due to complete incompetence, and most have been complicit in this whole sorry saga I am not sure if I can name names ( ed can you advise) but if I can I will list all who need to be removed and why! the obvious ones are already know by being board members and the current chief executive but there are several others within the walls at Ibrox that need to be exposed for being part of this "great stadium robbery"
We need question answered about where the money has gone. This is verging on theft and must be investigated, people have been signing money off and it has been approved by mr Stockbridge and mr Mathers with help from a few " insider traders" at the club. Please believe me very serious amounts have been moved from the club and I mean in the last 4 months and the biggest culprit is Stockbridge and his pal Mather ( mr goody two shoes is fully compliant in everything that has happened in the last 4 months and certainly since he became acting COO and then CEO) he is trying very hard to jump ship with the new regime but he most certainly CAN NOT BE TRUSTED I have first hand experience with this guy. Stockbridge needs to be removed IMMEDIATLEY before he caused any further damage and also before he removes any more funds from the club.

Where has all the cash gone to!
Now there was debts to pay etc and it is well documented that we cleared our football debts plus paying off previous players and staff but that does not even scratch the surface with what appears to be missing!
Will rangers provide details on what has been spent on consultants! And is STILL being spent.
Will Stockbridge resign from the three other companies that he and green own!
Will he resign IMMEDIATLEY
Will he reveal what renumeration he and green have taken from the three companies
RANGERS RETAIL
RANGERS SECURITY ( garrison security)
RANGERS MEDIA

These companies still provide services to rangers

Will the accounts controller at Ibrox resign his position? He must know how much money is going out of the club? After all he helped mr whyte remove vast sums,

When will the other accomplices on the board RESIGN!
The list goes on.

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@op great post mate it's time people realise wtf is happening also the post above you getting excited because if green wins the boardroom power struggle big terry b will be the new manager as much as I would like to see a new manager if green wins then we can kiss goodbye to our club

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FACTS and 100% DEAD ON.

I have tried to post on here indicating what has been going on at Rangers for over a year!

I can only ever put on what the ED allows but basically it involves CW comes I as a F***T (opposite to back) man for a 'gang/team' based in Glasgow.
From the MOMENT he has the keys the way these Long Firm F****S (sounds like broads) work, you immediatelly take FULL control of banking and the cheque book. Secondly you change your invoicing to 60 days from 30 ays (so you can fanny people longer). Next you sell every sellable asset and launder every possible cash fund through what appears to be legal payments (examples being flog the Arsenal historic shares £150000 and do you all remember the £250000 to Banstead Athletic football team and to his old pal and co Director of companies Aiden Earley? CW had a company registered in Banstead FUNNY THAT) these are just 2 of countless transactions done from Rangers bank to companies, consultants and associates of CW to disappear the £30m that went missing the FIRST SHAFTING OF RANGERS! (THINK ALL THE £ BROUGHT IN LIKE NO PAYING TAXES THE SURPLUS FROM SEASONS THE CATERING THE ARSENAL SHARES THE BOUGEY TRANSFER (aye mind that and 2 others £ went awol) PLUS AT LAST MINUTE JUST BEFORE ACCEPTING A LOWER BID IN CASH FOR JELAVIC (that was the condition) FROM EVERTON AS OPPOSED TO WEST HAMS OFFER WHERE LESS CASH AVAILABLE INSTANTLY!

THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME F***D MODEL THAT IS BEING CARRIED OUT ON RANGERS NOW FOR A SECOND TIME.

CONTROL THE BANK SACK ANY PEOPLE THAT MIGHT SPILL THE BEANS AND START PAYING OUT ALL CASH IN MASSIVE WAGES TO THE BOARD BONUSES TOO AND FINALLY HAVE YOUR FINANCIAL DIRECTOR SET UP A MAZE OF BANK TRANSFERS BETWEEN COMPANIES AND CONSULTANTS SO AS IT SUCH A TANGLED WEB IT IS HARD TO UNWIND OR UNDERSTAND FOR THE AVERAGE PUNTER.

KEEP UP A BOLD AS BRASS FRONT (see Mr Charles Green) NOT REVEALING ACCOUNTS AND IMPORTANTLY THE OWNERSHIP DEEDS TO THE ASSETS - NOTICE BOTH CW AND GREEN HAVE DONE EXACTLY THIS GAME PLAN. LOADS OF BULLCRAP TO APPEASE THE FANS TO HIDE THE FACT WE ARE BEING RAPED AND PILLAGED A SECOND TIME BY AN EVEN CRAFTIER BUNCH OF CROOKS

FUNNY HOW EVERY PERSON INVOLVED FROM WHYTE TO GREEN TO STOCKBRIDGE TO AHMAD TO MATHER TO PARTNERS AT DUFF & PHELPS. HAVE ALL PREVIOUSLY BEEN LINKED IN NUMEROUS BUSINESSES THAT HAVE ALL ENDED UP ASSET STRIPPED TO THE BONE AND THEY WALK AWAY WITH HIDDEN MILLIONS PROTECTED BY THE LAX BANKRUPCY AND ADMINISTRATION LAWS IN THE UK

IT IS A GAME TO THEM!

ANY DOUBTS FELLOW BEARS? READ THE BOOK THE LONG FIRM. BY JAKE ARNOTT. IF YOU RECOGNISE THE STORYLINE AND SCAM THAT THIS BOOK DESCRIBES IT IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO RANGERS AND STILL ON THE GO.

I ACTUALLY PHONED THE DAILY RECORD AFTER 2 MONTHS OF CW BEING IN CHARGE AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL THE ABOVE SCAM AND MY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS AND THAT WHYTE WAS CARRYING OUT ONE ON RANGERS. GUESS WHO PHONED ME BACK? JABBA! MY MOTHER SADLY DIED 3 YEARS AGO IN FEBRUARY AND I SWEAR BEARS ON HER GRAVE EVERYTHING IN THIS POST IS A FACT AND TRUE. I HAVE WONDERED LONG AND HARD SINCE IF JABBA INVESTIGATED AND THE REASON HE GOT THE JOB IS HE WAS BOUGHT OFF NOT TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH ABOUT THESE MASSIVE LONG FIRM SCAMS BEING CARRIED OUT AT RANGERS. I have tried to post this a number of times and ed's always block it. I really hope that as it explains to the average punter being screwed here that it is a major F***D it is posted now. hoping we rise up and get these people out before we are put out of business forever. george {Ed001's Note - the problem is that, without proof, you are just making accusations, accusations which could be considered as libel. That is why I would, personally, not name what it is, just continue to say what they are doing, but without putting a name to it. Silly as it may sound, one little change like that can make a huge difference in legal terms. Just lay out the bare facts of their operations, let other people decide for themselves if it is fraud or they are gangsters etc.}

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Spot on but these guys make Craig shyte look like a decent guy! I wonder how long it will take for the press to grasp the nettles and expose the inside info on " the great stadium robbery" has traynor threatened them because they are very quiet, also when will the fans stand up and be counted as this lot will step back and batten down the hatches until it is safe to pop there heads above the parapet. WE NEED URGENT ACTION AND WE NEED ANSWERS if the fans groups can't get the answers required then we should be lobbying the club and start to get the momentum in the fans side by boycotts and more media coverage.

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09 Aug 2013 22:20:33
So 22m from share issue, roughly 9m per season in ST sales, that's £40m not counting sponsorship and match day income. If we've 10m in the bank now. that's £30m over one season. How can we possibly have running costs of £30m? There must be english premier league teams with lower running costs than us!

Parky

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09 Aug 2013 21:45:12
Cannot believe the outrage at Hateley's £25K but the real rangers men are happy with McCoist's £1 Million plus bonuses plus shares.

Typical stick a plaster on the wee nick but don't bother getting the heart bypass surgery.

We deserve to be where we are thick, clueless and without hope.

But McCoist expects £10M in January ffs what planet is he and his supporters on- we will be burst before January

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This Hateley thing. The leaked e mail was from 2011, is it still being paid?

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What does he do for the 25k? All he does in the media is write in DR but he gets paid for that by DR. If he's getting an extra 25k to not be neutral but be pro rangers then that's corruption.

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09 Aug 2013 20:14:05
Baybear, I hope you recognise that I have supported your stance for a long time. With that in mind I have no doubt that many Bears recognise that you have nothing but the best in your heart for your Club. In the absence of a figurehead rallying the troops is now the time for you to step forward? Identify yourself let your fellow Bears no where you will be and lead the peaceful protest that you guys and your Club deserve. You will be seen as an individual with no ulterior motive unlike the many group leaders who have failed miserably. Cometh the hour, cometh the man!
Good Luck whatever you do.

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Cheers dude, I'd like to think folk can see I just wear my heart on my sleeve; although I doubt many would agree with the figurehead rallying the troops bit :0). I've enough trouble trying to decide what I'm doing myself never mind trying to co-ordinate others. I've been all over the place trying to decide what the right thing to do is. It's all well and good giving opinions on an anonymous forum but having the responsibility of leading and providing answers is quite another thing. That's probably why I empathized with Walter, he was clearly uncomfortable with the figurehead role and I often thought how difficult it must have been to be in his position. Unfortunately it always seems to be the ones with an agenda that shout the loudest.
I have to agree on your 'group leaders' assessment though. I paid my £10 as I wanted to believe there was a group or someone who would take up the gauntlet. I have to say I felt a bit let down with the joint supporters group statement released last night. I was looking for something a bit stronger but it sounds like the board members were let off lightly by the supporters groups to be honest.
Who knows what will happen next mate; I might very well go mental with all this and lead a revolt up Edmiston Drive with blazing torches and pitchforks in hand ;0)
Cheers for the vote of confidence

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@1 and why are we surprised at the board being let off lightly? Rangers supporters "have got form" in doing this all the way back to the original architect of our demise David Murray.

"I put £100M of my own money into Rangers" - did you feck! You borrowed money from the feckin bank where you and your companies ended up owing £1 Billion!

The shareholders then- some of who would have been at Thursday's meeting couldn't bring Murray to task then were in charge of last night's stiff "interrogation"

Murray "was duped by Whyte" was he feck- we have been lied to for years.

Murray created the financial abyss that allowed Craig Shyte to buy the club and create demise 1 because he like us had no money.

The Fans who questioned the board on Thursday missed out
(1) Who owns Ibrox and Murray Park - show us the title deeds?
(2) How long can we continue trading with only £10 million left in the bank?
(3) Why should any of you retain your position on the board given your spectacularly poor governance of the club?
(4) How much in bonuses and expenses have the club dished out for all of you and Green?
(5) How much does ALLY and his assistants cost the club per year?
(6) How much do the footballers at this club cost per year with basic and win bonuses? And how much has that increased this year?
(7) Who actually brought Green back or are you only figureheads for Green's employers/backers?
(8) Is there any plan B when the money runs out?
(9) Are you aware that the once greatest club in Scotland is now a complete laughing stock and are you aware of your contribution to this shambles?
(10) The only person in the world to offer some money to simply keep the club afloat is Dave King he cannot come back as a director but will you take his money when you have spent the IPO and Season Ticket money in a few months?
(11) Random question when the 34,000 season ticket holders shell out the £284 for their (front of Govan Stand ticket only price I know for certain) are you surprised given the majority of them earn less than £60,000 a year that One of the shareholders reputably worth £1 Billion seeking an EGM Is not prepared to shell out some £cash of his own to keep the club going or is that whY he is a rich bar steward and it is down to the hard pressed but thick punters to keep the club going? BUT WHAT IF THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE MONEY? Is the club fecked once and for all?

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Have a look at Gibbon's article about Walter and maybe change your mind on the status of "The great leader"

At any time during the last two years he could have shown genuine leadership by going public with the inside info.

Did he not know what Bomber knew?

Did he not ever ask for the bank balance?

Did he never ask who the mysterious investors were?

True Rangers man? - compromised money grabber who put his own interests first

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09 Aug 2013 19:56:54
Does anyone know what percentage the club gets from a shirt sale? And how many we usually sell per annum? Also, do we get a much bigger percentage if bought from the Gers store? The home strips not long out, and the away strip, which i'll defo be buying because its a cracker, isn't yet out.

So surely we're still going to make quite a lot of income from this? Just a thought.

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Ashley pockets 49% and the rest is apparently flushed through a company Green set up although someone posted he had wound that company up. Assuming he did with the tax and costs it won't be a startling amount.

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09 Aug 2013 23:06:56
Clubs don't make much from shirt sales.

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09 Aug 2013 18:56:42
Listen guy's
This is even more serious than the liquidation.
We need to take action and very very quickly.
It doesn't matter if the fans or anybody else put 1m or 100m into our club
it will all be taken. the lot.
Whatever is in the pot will go.

22M+ RAISED, ALL GONE
If that was 50m, that would be all gone too, it doesn't matter. we need to seriousley get a grip here. this is a catastrophe, and you can deny it all you want. we are sitting letting it happen. that's a fact.
It's time to do something about it.
Was at the Newcastle game, and everyone sitting like wee pussies. total embarrassment.

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09 Aug 2013 18:52:13
Did I hear that right?
On news ally just said Charles
promised me 10mil transfer fund
and I fully expect to get it in
January.
billy h

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Surely his tongue was firmly in his cheek?!. please tell me it was?!. please.

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McCoist did not say he expected to get the £10m for Transfers. He said that Charles Green promised him this sum but did not say when he would get it. Do you really think McCoist expected to get this fund. If you believe him (and I do), he is using the media to highlight the nonsense that Charles Green Talks.

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Ally hasn't a clue about what state the club is in, all he is interested in people thinking he was a failure which he is, he will never buy success, he reminds me of the lottery guy think his name was carroll who is now working in a fish factory after blowing his millions doug t. s. o

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Ally's tongue was firmly in his cheek, he was just highlighting how absurd Green is with his comments.
Cumbernauld True Blue

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Don't know babybear hope it
was for all our sakes
billy h

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@5 baybear lol vodka kicking in lol
billy h

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09 Aug 2013 18:19:13
by god we've heard it all now mccoists still want ten mill for more players that guy is a absolute joke a don't know worse him or green

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Even if it was meant as a sarcastic throw away comment, he should really know better. The guy is an absolute clown who should be punted from ibrox with a size ten up his fat arse. Fans are starting to realise that the money is running out and he comes out with that! A total disregard for the fans. How long can he go on? He and his two sidekicks have took out more money from the club than Green, Stockbridge and co, and gave absolutely NOTHING back!

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09 Aug 2013 18:11:40
23m IPO + 8m ST sales = 31m

10m left in the pot.

21m shortfall.

CW paid 21m to Ticketus for his fakeover.

Has the penny dropped yet.

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I take it we did not pay any wages or bills AT ALL during this period we were paying ticketus through a former employee

People like you should try thinking before typing crap.

george

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They told you 10 mil left in pot. did they prove it. did you see the documents/bank statements or any other absolute proof that the money is there. personally I do, nt think there, s a bean left. they, ve been telling you 1 lie after another and you just accept it without any doubts that the money is there. ffs wake up. they're losing money hand over foot. they are liars and cheats and you still believe them, you don't seem to want to learn.
GARY

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The 10m adds up to just 200 quid for each of the 50K regulars. That's all that's left of all the investments the fans have made. I know fa about company liqs etc. but it looks like this has been planned for another admin and a cheap grab. The question is who will grab it? CG et al maybe intermediaries to keep it sweet with company law. They move on to the next wreck with their pile. DK has always been there. He could get it for a song (not a banned one, lol). He has history with putting money in, but whose money? CW will come out with a profit.

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09 Aug 2013 17:00:19
at the supporters meeting did anyone ask regarding the deeds to ibrox and murray park?
if not why not?

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No and clearly that should have been in top 3 questions asked with how much money laft and when are you lot F*****G off. george

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09 Aug 2013 20:44:34
Nah, there was more important question's to ask instead like would wee Nacho be coming back to play for the gers,

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09 Aug 2013 16:58:51
what happened to the genius whizz kid who supposedly invested to sort things out?
doesnt take a genius to know everyone is being duped.
this is beyond a farce now.

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In my opinion he is behind the stirrings going on amongst investors as all the questions he posed are the same as McColl is backing. sort out finances what has went where and dump the over waged con artists in the board. george

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09 Aug 2013 15:07:56
Charlotte Fakes has been busy again intercepting Craig Mather's texts:
CM: Sorry boss had to make out I didn't like you last night.
CG: That's alright, I'm planning on calling you lot a shower of c**ts on Sky next week. LOL!
CM: We were nearly rumbled on a few things but thank God for the cheeky chappie throwing a few one liners in every time it looked like getting ugly.
CG: He's desperate to be loved. He'll come in handy though when I tell the punters my little P*ki friend is coming back as treasurer.
CM: We've already given Ally a shiny new copy of the Andy Cameron bumper book of blue jokes in anticipation for that meeting. He's been memorising them for weeks now.
CG: Is that what he was reading in the Forfar dugout?
CM: Yeh, he hides it in his tactics folder, LOL!
CG: Is Ally's jokes going to be enough? Might need some extra backup, we might need to role out the Orange top again. We could get Ally to model it.
CM: That's a lot of lycra boss?
CG: I'll speak with Ashley, he has a special production line with 500 child labourers to make his personal Newcastle tops. LOL
CM: Roll on Christmas boss!
CG: Yeh, I'll be relieved to just pick up my millions and leave Ronnie and Reggie Easdale to introduce Whyte as new Chairman. Ally should be doing 'Live At The Apollo' if he's get's them out of that one.
CM: LOL


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09 Aug 2013 17:45:00
The current financial state of our club is joke and a media circus by the day. Sad to see walter go but think he will be back once The Green Gobs**** has gone, we need anyone and evreything associated with The Green Gobs**** to be removed. Its beyond belief that they reinstated Green and teamed him up with his old cronies at ibrox.

Green will be removed, Mccoist should remain, with Rangers people elected on the board. A correct financial structure should be implemented and the club should be run by Rangers people who don't care about personal gain but rather getting this club off the life support machine and back on its feet. I think mc coll and co will bring this about, I just don't know why they didn't step in when they had the chance before, if he is scotlands richest man and cares about the rangers institution then surley he could have made a move when we were on our knees? Instead we were sold to Green and he's robbed us blind ever since and arguably in a worse state now, he's never been open or honest and he's never been a rangers man! Still the cry "FOLLOW FOLLOW" WRTP

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Why should Mcoist remain, he is another bleeding the club dry with his huge salary & totally out his depth as a manager. Rangers people elected on the board. if these so called rangers people stepped up & repaid there so called EBT loans RFC would have never been in this state in the first place. Mcoll has publicaly stated he won't be investing nowt in this embarrassment of an institution, The Yank got it spot on with his financial uptake on the situation& yet was bombarded with abuse, he forseen the financial black hole& in my opinion would have had a longterm plan, not a charlatan who's out too grab every penny with his Yorkshire Big Hands!50 questions that should have been asked on the night, not givin in advance for the clown traynor too deliberate over, & put positive pr spin on it. Who owns the deeds, show the current financial situation, not just grabbing figures out thin air, the audited accounts will show the extent of the situation. steff.

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Are you high? This is why we are in this mess again. When green goes the club will still operate the same.
When will you learn they may be rangers men but they are more interested in the money.
As for Walter and ally we need to cut ties with both forever.
Walter has done nothing since he left as manager to benefit this club, apart from making money. And this position he took tha just happened to last long enough for us to buy season tickets.
Ally has no idea about management, when we are losing or being outplayed good managers would change formation or use subs. Ally has this rangers way mentality that does not work.
The real truth is that this club will be tainted until we the fans run it.

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Im a celtic fan, been reading the posts
and everyone was more or less the same, we need to do this and that, don't write what you think should be done, just go and do it before its too late.
jamie.

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@2 how can you say Walter did nothing the one and only time most of the chat on here was about football not about all boardroom sh*te and also Walter admitted himself he didn't have the business brain to do the job he steadied the ship then all the leeches voted green back so Walter stood down

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09 Aug 2013 15:36:17
a question for the fans why are you's continuing to line these shyster pockets by purchasing the strips we are being robbed left right and centre I suppose when they bring the next one out you's will buy that aswell we don't need 3 strips some of you's will never and learn. the worst of this whole situation it's mike Ashley's who's getting the profit so there's another person who put some money in and got it straight back off the fans so that's Stockbridge Mather Ashley and ahmad who've put money in and had it back without selling their shares and then we have green who put nothing in and has had maybe a couple of million and he to has still got his shares to sell so there we have the biggest benefactors from the money that's been squandered all apart from Ashley and ahmad say they are the right people to take rangers forward

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Iv not got mine yet and won't be till green and co go
trueblue

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@1 ano mate Mather released a statement saying that first days sales wer thru the roof but that's 2 tops brought out and we've still only got ten mill there's another cash stream that the club are doing without

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09 Aug 2013 15:17:41
souness on tv getting interviewed by jim white and souness said it will end in tears.
fans biggest indicator is walter smith resigning
make your own minds up.

there is a lot going on and it must stop now
its fraud why can't police intervene

andy

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Souness. One of the others who knew someone who knew someone else who would buy our great club. Yet another Gobs*** who likes the sound of his own voice.
It time to wake up and smell the coffee. Green is back because we are losing money hand over fist. This fella is a hard nose Yorkshire business man. When he floated the club the share price was 72p now it is nearly half this. Do you all think that he wants this. Of course not that's why he is back. Just look at the people who are having a go at him. They want it to go tits up so they want to pick up the leftovers for free (and be hero's). They all had the opportunity to put their money where their mouth was. When they were asked by Duff and Phelps their trousers fell down. This included the fella from a rugby team (Yes a rugby team) that Souness was best friend with and was shouting about how much he liked Rangers as a boy and would buy them. Then the Blue Knights who were part of the old board and forgot to ask Sir David the most important questions (at my work they call these fellas free loaders and Shizters). The criminal offence here is WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED ONCE don't LET THESE SO CALLED TRUE BLUE RANGERS TO THE CORE MEN DESTROY OUR (yes our)GREAT CLUB AGAIN.

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Souness was on TV last week, saying things look to be settling down and it was upwards and onwards, lol
Finn

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The fans should start a new club. There is an opportunity to start something real you can all believe in. Drop the hyperbole and hubris and start a proper football club owned by the fans. Not easy but FCUM have done it. Rangers went bust for a fraction of what the so called big clubs owe. The working man's sport has been taken over by greedy chancers and has become a joke. They exploit family loyalties to line their pockets. You could actually start a revolution and leave the corrupt FIFA, UEFA etc. behind. The sport belongs to the fans who pay all the money. Time for change.

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09 Aug 2013 23:37:27
Wimbledon, the new saints and the team set up in place of man u did it. can't see it happening with rangers though the fans are too divided where some can see the truth and some have their heads in the sand and fingers crossed

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Is this the same Souness who took money out of your old club thru an EBT, even though he was not employed by your old club at the time, if it is he should shut the F____ up
Tam

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09 Aug 2013 14:40:16

Ok, so we have £10m in the bank, including this seasons ticket cash. I believe we have sold 34,000 season tickets at approx £280 per seat (thats what I pay anyway)

if you multiply £280 by 34,000 it totals £9,520,000. so we had under £500k in the bank from last seasons share issue, all other merchandising & hospitality, plus cup tickets and season tickets!?

Our club could be in administration again soon lads with these mugs running the club.

some of the wages getting paid to our board members is a disgrace, also think we shouldn't be paying our manager £1m per year until we are back at the top. worrying numbers

Jason

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@op most of the merchandise money goes to Ashley and mosy match day and hospitality goes to green and Stockbridges sub company's green and Stockbridge are the two who benefits most out of rangers

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The club has blown an income of about £38m in the last 14 months. Where has it gone? That's the equivalent of normal income and a CL group stages result ( but was £23m from IPO). Where has it gone? Is that normal expenditure or has £20m been spived?

IPO 23+ ST 10 + 5 hospitality, advertising, s***s merchandise, sponsorship, friendlies, etc,. all blown.

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09 Aug 2013 17:06:04
@Jason, it looks like finally the penny has dropped with most fans about the incompetents running your club. All the people on bonuses, right down to "PR" men like Hately getting £25k for doing nothing.
Then there are all the new signings 8 players added to an already big wage bill, plus Ally and Durrant on silly wages also.
No attempt to cut their cloth to their new poorer circumstances.
Also all the talk of "Rangers men" coming in, tell me how many of these "true blue Rangers men" have so far put a penny into your club?
I feel sorry for all the genuine RFC fans. Timalloy

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@3 They are not incompetents at all, they are very astute businessmen who are financially raping the club. They won't stop until they have picked it clean as they are following their own agenda and always have been. I suppose the question is this, how long are you Rangers Fans going to stand by and let this happen to your Club?
Gbhoy.

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09 Aug 2013 14:34:17
Have you bears actually stopped and thought what all this is doing for Rangers the brand? Admin, liquidation the charity caper amd now another possible admin! PLEASE get off your ar@es and be heard, you are all being complicit. Joe

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09 Aug 2013 13:17:58
Let me say that I have no desire to see anybody losing their jobs, but our administration and subsequent liquidation is the first that I have ever heard of that did not involve some redundancies.

I visited the ticket office this week and counted 22 people sitting at desks. Can I ask the question "what do these people do?".
I don't understand why 22 people are needed to sort out ticket enquiries. Season tickets sales are at 35,000 I believe. The ground holds close to 50,000. There is therefore 15,000 tickets that be sold for match days. The away fans area reduces that figure. I would imagine that the internet deals with most sales, so let's say there are 7000 tickets to be sold per match, are 22 people required to do that?

I remember that the ticket office was in a small room at the main door, run by Margaret, who used to bring in her husband for Old Firm games. One woman and a part time show by her husband deals with crowds higher than at present. I don't get it.

The away games, we get a couple of thousand tickets, 22 people required?

The whole attitude seems to be that money is no object. I received letters, please note letters, for me and my son's season tickets. I pay both by one cheque. We live at the same address and our seats are next to each other. Why are two letters, two envelopes, two stamps required?
I know you may think this is petty but I feel it is a sign of the way we are run, its a waste. It may
cost an extra pound, but if this is happening to 10,000 people that is £10k several times a year. When away tickets arrive, they are in two envelopes, the same applies. It is just throwing money away. If this is happening in the ticket office, you can be assured this will be happening throughout.

I run a small office and if my post room was sending out two letters when one would do, it would be stopped.

It seems to be the same as awarding £3.5m in bonuses for winning the third division. Unbelievable. The team that our beloved consultant at every turn likes to refer to as the "worst ever Rangers team", earned him £350k. Astonishing.

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Maybe if ally was not less greedy wanting more players he could save a few jobs but forget he is in it for himself

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09 Aug 2013 14:32:44
Just want to send best wish's to Ally and the boys for the new season "Our Adversity will only make us stronger" Once a Ger always a Ger"

Ozzie Al

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I fear it's time for drastic cuts or else another embarrassing administration. Some of the money going out strikes me as ridiculous, for example apparently if one recent leak is to believed Mark Hateley receives a £25,000 salary for PR duties. Value for money?

And as for the bonuses for winning a league in the lowest tier of Scottish football.

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09 Aug 2013 15:42:13
Surely Walter knew we were in dire straits and should have told Ally 2 new players max after all is the standard in this league really that much better than div3 last year which we romped anyway.

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A very fair point you make about administration and redundancies, but if memory serves me correctly there where redundancies at the time, remember ally Russell! And Gordon smith a wee guy based in London and of course Martin bains PA these where just a few we also had two players who where made redundant, now I truly believe there should have been more at the time and I most certainly would not wish any of the decent staff who work at rangers with 100% commitment for believe it or not very mediocre wages in comparison to the middle and upper management. I think the way things are going with the large amounts of cash taken from "the great stadium robbery" there is going to be some very severe cuts and a lot of very decent staff will lose their jobs. Fair or unfair let's see who gets the chop first and hopefully the very highest earners and the middle management are removed first before any innocent staff members get made redundant!

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09 Aug 2013 12:24:48
Fans should demand the opposite of what they're shouting for.
Shout for Green as chairman!
Don't let him off the hook. It's his company get him in a responsible position up to Christmas at least to turn it around. P Murray and blin on the board will create chaos and they will sink it.
And get behind green and drastic cuts don't criticise. This summer of his absence has been a joke.

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Dont be stupid he would just take more bonuses and leave nothing for anyone? he doesn't care do you not understand that. he a loud mouth yorkshireman with big hands needing more and more. he wants it all are you mad. he probably owns the stadium Murraypark evrything we had all tied up in differnet companys he head of we will prbably have nothing as in zilch which means less than what we had last admin. thsi is a bloody travesty bring him back, ye to stone him you mean.
On eother thought. have we paid our taxes vat etc on all moneys. mmmmmm let's hpe so.

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09 Aug 2013 12:55:43
Rangers only sold 65 million shares of the 100 million available to them at the Initial Public Offering. Do you think that the other 35 million will be released to raise cash (@40p 35m=£14 million - where did I see that figure this week?) Dilutes share value but I don't think the fans who hold them will care.

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Fans groups need to wise up do a U turn AND JNSIST GREEN REMAINS AND SORTS IT OUT AS CHAIRMAN. Tell board to appoint him at meeting next week.
Another share issue isn't the answer, that's another £14m down the tubes, it just floats the profligacy another six months and who would buy them?
Fans only bought £2m worth. Wealthy fans like Easdales bought £3m worth making fans look like £5m buyers which is skewed.
Huge layoffs and cost cuts Re required in very short term.

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09 Aug 2013 12:34:47
This is a plea from a worried bear who knows zippo about accounts so these figures are simple arithmetic which is hopefully rubbish. Assuming there was no money in the Clubs account until the IPO is actually the best situation? If it wasn't the case then we have actually spent more- or wasted more.
So £22M plus approximately £8M for this years season ticket sales plus say£1M for the January 2013 half price (ST) sale means we have spent £21M in the 7 months since the IPO. At this rate unless other income streams are found (let's hope for a miracle) we have 3 months and 10 days to keep in the black- after that the £10m is gone.

Now with my very simplistic mind and nae knowledge of shares et all our only hope is another share issue which will follow this EGM or outbreak of peace in the boardroom with positive personnel changes.

Trouble is a lot of us wee laddies don't have much mulla left. And presumably the big investors will have a look at the whole charade and say your having a laugh- invest in this why?- we invest to make money.

So guys the question is how do we survive- what is next? If we reduce outgoings by 50% we have 6 months say 7 months which isn't even the end of the season.

No bank will again give RFC an overdraft in my opinion so where do we go from here?

Don't bother posting you ain't got a clue mate- I already know that- just hoping somebody can paint a rosier or more healthy picture?

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It all points to an administration. Worse still it looks like the ridiculous amount of players Ally was allowed to bring in, on SPL wages, were part of the plan to negate the points deduction and transfer ban which will come with an admin.

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@1 how do you know the new players are on spl wages you just assume they are even spl wages aren't that great out with the old firm also if we do go into admin players will be released or sold and I don't think we'll have that much of a point advantage am not sure but u think it would probs be between 20-25 point deduction so by your reckoning so by going with your post we be stuck in the spfl 1

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@2/ What are you on about? On the wages rant. Daly knocked back 3k per week from Hibs so I think we can assume he will be earning more at Rangers. As for points deduction, I never said any number did i? The deduction will be fifteen points as this is a first administration for the club, with the players in the squad this will be easily overcome, so there will be a promotion for sure.

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@3 it will be admin 2 stupid same club different company and also going by the bonuses being handed out how do you know most contracts could have big bonuses plus they would get a signing on fee which rangers probably have offered more than hibs it's not all anout what they make each week naw but you assume they players wer signed to to make a point difference if we do into admin 2

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The big time shareholder have said they will put more money into rangers but not while chucky and his crew are there

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09 Aug 2013 11:59:01
Just a thought when asked last night
how much was left in bank the
answer was around 10mil left
from share issue and THIS seasons S. T
sales now the question is : WERE IS LAST SEASONS
S. T TICKET MONEY, SPONSORSHIP SHIP MONIES FROM
PUMA & BLACKTHORN THIS SEASON AND MONIES
FROM PAY AT THE GATE CUSTOMERS
LAST SEASON
billy h

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It probably paid the wages and the bonuses and consultancy fees.

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@op the money you are talking about has been split between green Stockbridge thru all sub company's and Ashley owns 51% of strip money I think rangers will probably get a small percentage of the strip sales

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09 Aug 2013 11:36:20
We are glad that Mr Mather has committed to talking to Jim McColl and his colleagues. The issues facing the club are very clear and urgent – with goodwill they can be resolved without resort to an EGM.
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I hope the EGM does go ahead.
This will force the issue and ensure it does not get pushed into the long grass.
It is worrying that our supporters organisations are so trusting.

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McColl and his guys know an EGM is unlikely to get enough votes to proceed so want their result (2 directorships) without an EGM. It's desperation.

None of these guys can change the inevitable now as nobody including McColl is putting in a needed £13m shortfall.

Massive redundancies and wage cuts are needed to slim the club down to a £10m annual enterprise from a £27m enterprise for it to survive. Does anyone have the minerals or is it a fait accompli?

Green should be made chairman and told to turn it around. Even with the pain. Don't let him walk away.

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Totally agree Stephen mate Mather said he would like to talk to mccoll and the rst rsa are happy for that to happen so the egm doesn't go ahead this is from a man supposedly the leader of club who can only say we will see about green but it's the same muppets who voted for him to come back does anybody know if we can get the answers to the questions that they wer asked also was there a question put to them about who owns ibrox and mp

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@1the egm will go ahead and a really do believe that the big investors who mccolls on board will put the money in when green gets to f**k also before people start going on about cuts they are inevitable but am sure blin will be able to keep the cuts to the minimum also if Mather and Stockbridge and smart go then that means they lose the healthy bonuses they have given themselves

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@3) sorry mate but you're really desperately clinging to a best possible scenario. That's not how this is going to roll out at all.

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@4 the next six weeks and we should no the full extent of story the accounts will be interesting to see wer all the money went but mccoll seems assured that with the investors on his side he will get the lot off the board

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09 Aug 2013 10:01:17
Much as I hate to say this the Celtic fans showed their love for their club back in the nineties by demonstrating and staying away from games until the old board buckled and McCann came in. I have no faith in the suits running our club and feel the only way to get rid is for us to do the same. The meeting last night told us nothing. WW

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Yes quite right and when we are at it let's get ally out, he might be able to get us back to the prem but will do nothing for us in europe.

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09 Aug 2013 10:27:31
First cost cutting exercise - Don't win the league!

If the bonuses were £3. 4M for 4th tier, I'd estimate that's an instant £4-5M saving for 3rd tier.

The spivs could always help theselves to a hardship payment from the Rangers Charity Trust.

Every decent, ST paying, Charity paying, Bill paying, law abiding Rangers supporter is being tarred with the same brush as these con men.

Malcolm and Walter have gone, Ally's just a puppet clinging on to his job, who's left that anybody can trust? Whose left that their own mothers would trust?

Is it time to do something??

Foxy

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09 Aug 2013 09:43:41
This club needed Champion league group stages (£23m) each year plus a ticketus mortgage (£?) on the next seasons ticket sales to survive.
Well it got the equivalent of a CL income, the IPO, and its blown. How can it get another £23m this year?
People need to expect it now to fall into admin. It's inevitable nothing can be done there's a £15m black hole each season starting here. This season cannot be completed.
Forbes magazine, businessmen all stated it upfront, significant restructuring was needed, dump 65% of costs to make it work in fourth and third tier. Really 100 jobs needed to go, directors were weak. Directors greed salaries and bonuses and behaving like a huge club (a half million pound bus ffs) this club simply can not afford the coaches salaries and the Murray park overheads.
To survive and thrive right now needs:
100 staff released
All wages 20% drop. Directors management staff 40%
All expenses, bonuses, incentives stopped immediately.
It needs to get through to next summer on £10m but can only get through to January.
Ironically, green is the only one capable of doing this but he's wanted out.

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Seriously?
I have a number of concerns with this post.
1) If our survival and ability to continue as a club relies on champions league football then this is a model that is doomed to failure. We may as well be done with it now. Although I don't believe this is in any way the case.
2) You have then contradicted yourself by highlighting that we got the equivalent CL money this year by way of the IPO and we have blown it?
So which is it? Do we need champions league money to survive each year or as you point out, is this still not enough?
Not meaning to be disrespectful but I don't think you have thought this post through have you?

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If The Rangers were to do it your way then they would have about 300 cases of breach of contract on their hands. If your manager walked up to you and told you you were to take a 20% pay cut, would you say that's crap but oh well, or 'no chance, I have a CONTRACT stating that I am to be paid £XK a week?'

G93

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Baybear, he is not far off the mark, most clubs seemed doomed to failure, Chelsea are into Abramovich's pocket for near a billion, imagine he dies or does a Brook Mileson and his heir says cough up Chelsea, their done.

In 2011/12 the EPL was in debt to the tune of £2bn. La Liga is worse if I'm correct. Three teams out of twenty had no debt in the EPL and one of them was Wolves who I imagine will be now after successive relegations.

The OP is also on the money regards the IPO taking the hit for no CL participation, with costs at Ibrox I'd say it is almost a neccessity. Hell Rangers were in debt when they were in it, what's it going to be like without it and with an IPO not being an annual occurence? It is that bad, football costs are that insane.

Back to the EPL, 20 clubs, for talking sake 150 employees each (some will be more, some will be less) can you think of any industry in Britain that employs 3,000 folk and is £2bn in debt? When every employee in an industry is carrying £67,000 of debt that industry is f***ed up.

You could argue Celtic blinked first in this mad game of chicken we were having, Gordon Strachan having to reign in costs, Sutton, Balde, Lennon and Hartson all slowly but surely moving on.

But honestly, well written OP I think you have nailed the madness that is going on currently.

Gaz

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09 Aug 2013 09:59:01
Am I the only rangers shareholder & season ticket holder here who's absolutely sick & tired of this absolute drivel that it's rangers men we need to run our great club, NOT for me, I just don't wear this, it has to be the best man or men with terrific business sense that I want running our football club, I honestly just can't see what Charles green is guilty of here except learning to curb himself a little when he's addressing the media, green is correct when he says where were all these rangers men when they hid under their rocks when they were asked to put their dough into the club, it was rangers men who got us into this precarious situation in the first place, so I wholeheartedly put my trust in Charles green to get us out of this mess, he's an outstanding businessman who I've no doubt will bring finance to rangers, BIG RAM!

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09 Aug 2013 11:01:21
As my granny used to say "sometimes it's better the devil you know" the man is far from perfect but so far he's did a lot more for rfc than Mccoll. Saying that these huge bonusses have to end for all directors + Ally to btw.

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100% agree, all these rangers men
That know what's best for the club make me sick. They only know how to get rich.
Look we are in so much trouble.
We need a new board.
A new manager
Players we can afford (for the division we currently we are in)

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I totaly agree, he got us new sponsors ie puma blackthorn sports direct, his consortium saved us, and is right in saying we should win a cup, or there would not be much need to sign 8 new players, and the 2nd biggest wage bill in scotland

HAMILTON LADD

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@op did other people not bid for rangers but d&p picked greens bid aye thought so

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@3 how did he save us he got a loan for 5.5 mill which got paid back from the club so he never saved us he's and Stockbridge have got most of the money the clubs been squandering and also anybody could get sponsors for the club dare I say it even whyte could have got sponsors because its rangers nothing to do with who's asking them to sponsor us

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09 Aug 2013 09:43:22
This cheered me up no ends this morning.


A spokesman for Mr Green, who returned to his home in France following Tuesday's match against Newcastle United, said: "Charles Green pleads guilty to the following crimes - saving the club from Craig Whyte and now trying to prevent it from falling into the hands of men who haven't invested a penny.

"Talk is cheap as Paul Murray and Frank Blin have repeatedly proved. Action costs more, more than the £2. 80 invested by billionaire Jim McColl.

"As regards Mr Mather it is clear he is confused and intimidated by the fans' robust actions. Perhaps he should return to a much gentler business atmosphere. As for calling a board meeting to discuss Charles, perhaps he should ask his fellow board members before pushing the panic button. Glasgow is a place for big boys not frightened wee laddies. "

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My money is on Green getting the vacant Chairman title next week rather than being sacked.

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Greens job is financial consultant to shareholders. sounds like Rangers had £5 + £8 St + £22M IPO + £8 ST - so that's £42m in and just £10m left in just 18months

Explain this greeen!

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On closer inspection I'm afraid it is probably higher still @2).

Last season's season tickets were closer to £12m I think. There is also last seasons sponsorships, there is also game day earners - programmes, burgers, pies etc. Merchandise cash, cup game revenue/pay at gate where Rangers did get a few home ties last season (4 or 5 possibly between the 3 cups). And there is one other that is puzzling me if anyone can confirm please, Green said last night he had raised £34m, we know about the £5.5m and the £22.5m which is £28m but post getting control did he get another £6m in investment? (ie Mather's £1m etc. )

Overall that figure might be closer to £55m. Net expenditure of £45m since when? May/June last year? More or less £3m a month going out, breathtaking.

Gaz

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09 Aug 2013 09:04:19
Stop going on about the money in back and trying to workout where it comes from season tickets, IPO ect.
Did anyone ask or get an answer to when the next audted accounts are due?
Dounebear

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09 Aug 2013 10:56:55
They're going to try and get them out by end of month before legally required to.

As for the folk saying all the season ticket money is all in. hands up bears if you pay yours in a one-er.

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@1- nope, pay mine in 4 payments and currently trying to cancel my season ticket due to no faith in those running the club. The club are being less than co-operative by ignoring repeated calls and emails. Along with passing the buck from department to department. A familiar tactic adopted from the top down.

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@1 there going to try and get them out by the end of the month sounds like they haven't even started them and also even if they haven't got all st money there can't really be that much to still come in they are just bluffing their way to the next admin the quicker this egm gets put thru the better but I don't think we can stop the club from admin unless some rich person or the big investors put more money into stop it

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To be honest the only figure that really mattered in a ream of accountancy figures was going to be the one Stockbridge gave you last night and if £10m is pretty much on the mark then the rest will pretty grim reading.

Gaz

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Baybear, if you didn't complete any forms and this was a continuation of last years details, you can call your bank and submit an indemnity claim. Just say you didn't want the ticket this year and told them so. The money will be put straight back into your account.

Bit gutted myself that I fel for buying another ticket but my wee boy loves going so going to just continue.

Mr Sporting Integrity

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Hope you reconsider Baybear, no one likes what's going on, not a single ST holder but to lose faith at this stage and to cancel your ST won't help. I know you were considering not renewing but the calling was too strong so stick with your gut feeling and we will get through this.

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@5 aye, thought of that but the likelyhood is that they will just say I've not made my payments and will still owe the cash. If I refuse to pay then it'll likey remain an outstanding bill passed to a debt collection agency. I don't want that on my credit file. They've now acknowledged recipt of my email but can't confirm the cancellation. Keep saying it has been passed to the right dept and they'll be in touch?! I doubt they will.

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@6 I wish I had your faith mate but all the evidence tells me that we're f**ked.
Don't get me wrong, there will always be a Rangers in some form but this one looks destined to crumble with all these shysters toasting each other in the sunshine.

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09 Aug 2013 07:58:22
Another meeting with fans goes by and still no straight answers. Surprised? I am not. The big question remains unanswered. Who owns the club and who makes the decisions. I actually am past caring if it is Craig Whyte, Charles Green or even SDM. Message to Mather 'please give us a straight answer to this question now. You know the answer and treat us with a bit of respect please'. And as an aside. Whoever does make the decisions, can you please sack Jim Traynor. He is an absolute embarrassment. Remember Jock Brown at Parkhead. you are worse Traynor. Please leave and go back to your day job

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09 Aug 2013 03:02:40
It was reported in here last night that Brian Stockbridge said there is more than £10m cash in the club with no distinction made between IPO cash and other revenue forms. let's face it he is there to calm your fears so if there was £20m he'd have happily said so, agreed?

Earlier in the day Dave King said there was approximately £6m left from last season. Given the endless leaks from Ibrox if he hasn't got a mole then he must be the only one. With season tickets from this season bringing around £8m so far, your sitting on £14m, sure there are other sources of income sponsors etc but it's not higher than £20m in total and it's not lower than £10m, which kinda bears out King's assesment.

The club started last season with £5.5m capital investment, come the start of this season it had £6m if King is to be believed. In essence last year's income, season tickets, sponsorship, tv monies, SFA/SFL money and most importantly the IPO cash is all gone. No £10m warchest for Ally, no £9m for Ibrox renovation, I'm not gloating here, merely stating what you were told it was to be used for and ultimately wasn't.

And it has got me thinking about the whole thing in a totally different way. As I write this I have no idea if the figures I'm looking for are available but I'll try.

Because Scotland is such a skewered football oddity of a country, two huge teams in supporter terms and 40 minnows, here is not the place to compare.

Rangers players wages last season would have seen them as a mid English Division One team (The average for the Championship was over £20m a team).

Average home league gates would have saw you 4th in the EPL.

Your expenditure was probably that of a lower Championship team. (Murray Park and Ibrox being a damn sight costlier to run than say Bournemouth and Burnley's comparative grounds and facilities for all their higher wages. )

Three stats, three different divisions, 4th in EPL to mid table in Division One. And that is my point, I think Rangers suffered from a huge identity crisis last season, not you the fans, the cheque writers within Ibrox. Great stadium, great facilities, huge support, income of a mid-table English Division One team (excluding the IPO money as it can't be deemed as an annual income stream). I think to an extent they got seduced by that, all the time forgetting one thing. The club was in Scottish Division 3, off the radar in English football terms. Yourselves aside there isn't an English Conference team who wouldn't walk Division 3.

They somehow found a way to spend the guts of £40m to get out of Scottish Division 3. There were one off costs I grant you. The football debts etc but you are still looking at a club with maybe costs of £30-£35m this year. And this is where the big club mentality at no time factored in your surroundings.

I'm determined not to make this a personalised rant regards any particular individual but did coaching expenditure reflect the surroundings? Did backroom expenditure? Did front office expenditure? Did executive bonuses? DID ANYTHING REFLECT THE SURROUNDINGS? It reflected the stadium, the facilities, the support, it never once reflected Scottish Division 3.

Be honest, please take the Rangers specs off for a second, have you ever saw a period of administration in football, in any business, as bizarre as Rangers last year? They wanted to add to the workforce FFS! (Daniel Cousin).

It's to be commended that not one person lost their job but I'm far happier for cleaners, groundsmen and office staff than I am for players, coaches and executives, they were getting paid infinitely above their surroundings.

It is beginning to look like one person perfectly judged this with the briefest of times in Glasgow. For all the abuse Bill Miller is a businessman and if there was cash to be made you'd imagine he may well have stuck around. "Yank go home" didn't help but he did say there was a £30m blackhole in the club. Take out Rangers annual income as it stands, factor in initial working capital and the IPO and you have £28m right there and it is still losing money. He was bang on with his assesment but I bet he didn't predict that anticipating SPL quality signings and executive bonuses for winning Division 3. It seems a Yank, with a cursory glance, was more familiar with "the surroundings" than a number of Scottish and English men.

Gaz

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@1 mate gaz is spot on with his post it's the fans like yourself going on about being obsessed with us that's what green wanted us sticking up for our team against other teams supporters all the while we should have been on his back think about it this way it was green who started all the stuff about attendance figures again to keep the fans off his back and also I think we should have listened to the celtic fans because in all fairness they have told us more about what's going on with our club so please stop with all this obsessed p*sh because our club has been shafted out of 30 mill while we have been squabbling about stuff that really didn't matter

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09 Aug 2013 02:56:33
Rangers fans are completely divided over Ally and Green and Mather plus this board or that board.

STOP THINK AND READ THE FACTS

£10m LEFT OUT OF £33m (THE ACTUAL AMOUNT BROUGHT IN TOTAL)

RECKLESS SPENDING ON WAGES FOR PEOPLE NOT QUALIFIED TO DO THE JOB - Ally and pals PLUS Mather Green Stockbridge and pals (catering and security etc etc)

CUP RESULTS OVER 2 SEASONS FFS

ALLY SUPPORTS ANYONE THAT GIVES HIM A JOB DESPITE HIS CLUELESS MANAGEMENT AND EMBARRASSING COMMENTS/EXCUSES EVERY TIME HE F**KS UP. DRAWING DOWN £700000 (£1, 400,000 and bonuses by end this season IF WE AVOID ADMIN) FROM A DYING CLUB HE SUPPOSEDLY LOVES WHEN HE IS A MULTI MILLIONAIRE??

THE GREATEST RANGER JOHN GRIEG, plus MALCOLM MURRAY (decent man who tried to stand up to these CROOKS) AND WALTER SMITH ALL QUIT/DUMPED/SHAT ON.

But you blind/head in sand persons can't see past Ally's cheeky chappie boyz fae the westcoast crap FFS WHAT A NED/CHAV. Rangers Manager? Struth CAN YOU EVER IMAGINE HE or Souness or Big Jock or Grieg being so EMBARRASSING??

ALL THE ABOVE ARE THE FACTS.

FACTS don't LIE. BANK BALANCES don't LIE.

J McColl, Mr King (£20m LOST BUT STILL LOVES RANGERS AND PREPARED TO DO ANYTHING), P Murray (warned SDM and US ALL), Brian Kennedy, Keiron Prior AND LOADS MORE SHAREHOLDERS ALL SAYING SAME THING " GREEN IS A SHYSTER CONMAN AND A LIAR, THE BOARD ARE DESTROYING RANGERS A SECOND TIME. ARE THEY ALL LYING??

I CAN SEE SOME ARGUEMENTS AGAINST KING AND P MURRAY BUT OVERALL THESE GUYS LOVE RANGERS AND EVERYONE OF THEM ARE SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING

READ BAYBEARS LINK TO THE RANGERS STANDARD HITS NAIL ON HEAD!

SAYS IT ALL AS I HAVE HERE.

ARE WE GOING TO ACCEPT THIS OR STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING FFS FFS FFS

SICK OF ALL THE TALK/MESSAGES ON HERE (lafs mine excepted)

EVERYONE HAS IT OR YOUR KIDS DO OR YOUR WORK!! ORGANISE MASS PROTESTS EVERY HOME GAME TILL THEY RESPOND

OR

ADMIN IN DECEMBER/JANUARY

ALL TRUE RANGERS FANS IT IS UP TO YOU I LIVE IN LONDON BUT I AM COMING UP NOT FOR GAMES BUT TO JOIN THE 100 REAL FANS THAT ARE DOING WHAT THE TIMS DID YEARS AGO

PROTEST OR DIE

YOURS IN RANGERS FOREVER. george

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09 Aug 2013 10:40:26
GOOD ONE GEORGE THEY WILL ONLY MISS THE WATER WHEN THE WELL RUNS DRY AND IT WILL BE TOO LATE BY THEN . bri blue

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Well said that man!

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Spot on, can someone please repost this higher up the page. Its time to wake up. Stop looking at the ger next to you to do it for you. Its up to us to sort out, attempt to push through the EGM or its game over. Sad times
GBLUE

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I tried to put is the way forward to organise Ed removed from my post? Why?. george {Ed001's Note - whatever it is, the swear filter must be removing it mate.}

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09 Aug 2013 00:15:46
Joint statement from the Rangers Supporters Association, Assembly and Trust.

In response to this evening’s fans meeting at Ibrox.

We are extremely concerned to learn that there is only £10m left in club funds after the IPO and season ticket monies have gone into the club and will be seeking more detailed answers from the club’s Board. We will seek to convene a follow-up meeting as soon as possible.

We welcome the news that Craig Mather will convene a Board meeting within seven days to consider the future of Charles Green.

If the Board reflect mood of the room at this evening’s fans meeting then Mr Green will be stripped of his consultancy role, the overwhelming majority of fans representatives clearly agreed with Craig Mather’s description of his behaviour as “morally and ethically reprehensible”. His utterances regarding Ally McCoist and Walter Smith were horrifying.

We are glad that Mr Mather has committed to talking to Jim McColl and his colleagues. The issues facing the club are very clear and urgent – with goodwill they can be resolved without resort to an EGM.

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If the 10 million includes this seasons STs then we will be in admin by Xmas.

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Thanks Baybear. so £10m in bank, £6mill just went in in 2013 ST money. so how much did that leave of the (£22m+2012 ST £6). £4m??

£34m in - and just £10m left?

and for our next trick.

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So Stockbridge says there's 10 mill left that's this seasons st money so they have rattled 23 mill in 7-8months the 10 mill will be done for Xmas this absolutely scandalous how can a club spend 23 mill to win the 3rd division we need rid of them I thought the meeting was fans mccoist and Mather wtf was Stockbridge doing there why are rst rsa happy mathers is going to talk to mccoll and they think that will sort it without an egm if we don't get the egm then nothing will change mathers can't even say that green will go but as was thought no straight answers it says Mather and Stockbridge are trying to distance themselves from green Stockbridge is greens sidekick it's plain to see that by him being joint directors with green on every sub company they split rangers into we are well on our way to admin 2 and I honestly don't see a way to stop it in my opinion the meeting last night has achieved absolutely nothing

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@2- I know, it's incredible.
And to think Mather was all smiles afterwards saying on tv "I think it went well" in reference to the meeting.
Probably because he got away with being asked only some of the questions he should have been asked.

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08 Aug 2013 23:54:57
NO SURPRISES

About 200 supporters held talks with chief executive Craig Mather, manager Ally McCoist, finance director Brian Stockbridge, and director of communications James Traynor at Ibrox Stadium tonight.

During the tense meeting, Mr Mather announced that a board meeting will be convened within the next week to discuss the conduct of Mr Green.

The former chief executive, who returned last week as a paid consultant, has been involved in a spat with McCoist since his return a week ago to the club.

Directors will also take a vote on whether he should remain at the club at the meeting.

Within days of Mr Green's return, former Walter Smith resigned as chairman citing a lack of integrity at boardroom level.

After the meeting, shareholder Brian Bowman said: "The board of Glasgow Rangers Football Club should resign en mass.

"There were comments made by the board tonight that were completely and utterly untrue.

"They told barefaced lies and we need to cleanse this club.

"They board were eventually forced into a situation where a board meeting will be called. "

When asked if board members gave any indication they would sack Green from the new consultancy role, Mr Bowman, replied: "I don't think they will sack him.

"After all, you can't sack the man who is paying the wages. "

Representatives from the three leading supporters' groups, The Rangers Supporters Association, Rangers Supporters Assembly and Rangers Supporters Trust, were also in attendance.

Drew Roberton, general secretary of the Rangers Supporters Association, said: "The meeting went as expected.

"Questions were asked but people didn't get an awful lot of answers.

"Based on the information that was revealed tonight, I can understand why some supporters have concerns.

"However, Craig Mather seems like a straight talker.

"We were told it was a board decision to bring back Green and I think they're quite right not to discuss exactly who voted for what.

"Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but hindsight has proved that it was perhaps the wrong decision to re-employ Charles Green. "

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No surprises then. What a shock. This looked like a farce from when it was announced.

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I've been a rangers fan for over 30 years and I must admit I'm completely bored with this now.

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09 Aug 2013 10:28:01
#2 A rangers fan for thirty years and your board, Oh my god.

As a celtic fan in my 50's I am appauled at your attitude.

Most of the reasonable decent fans posting on here are starting see through the smoke screen, and you post I'm board.

If these posts are true, and Rangers are in the financial position that it appears, then clearly all of us should be asking how have these people got away with it, you as fans, we as opposition teams were promised Rangers would be back in a few years, stronger than you were 12 months ago, and in a position to enhance the Scottish senior league, and be a force again in Europe, how is this to achieved if Rangers are likely to be facing serious financial issues in the next 12 months maybe even another admin process.

Instead of stating your board, you should be screaming, WHY.

You should be protesting in what ever way you can.

Sitting in your armchair is probably the reason these individuals have got away with running your club into the position it is.

All Scottish clubs need Rangers back at the top, it gives us in the east end of the city something to fight for, instaed ofjust going through the motions, it does our co-efficency no harm when Rangers qualify for the tournements. It aids both teams for Celtic & Rangers to be achieving results in Europe.

Banter aside, you let your fellow fans down, you should be ashamed, wake up or your might be board for a very long time to come.

Tim Goa.

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08 Aug 2013 23:26:29
Super Ally!
Lets be very clear there is a divided support with respect to Ally, but people are entitled to their opinion, here is mine.
Ally Mcoist is a true rangers legend, supporter and gentleman he is working under intolerable conditions at the moment and I think if you check our history there has never been a manager who has had to deal with such turmoil emanating from our boardroom. Ally is dealing with this every day and still trying to do his job of football manager. Patience is needed to allow Ally to try and focus only on the football side of things and get the best out of the players. Are the current distractions affecting the team? Of course they do does it affect the management team? You bet it does and it certainly affects the supporters. Give super Ally the chance he deserves and hopefully the boardroom carry on will be sorted by the remaining shareholders very soon.

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When is he going to solely concentrate on the team when there is new revelations on a daily basis? His so called status as Legend is all that is keeping him in his present role any other manager would have been shown the door a while ago. Blind loyalty is the biggest negative at Rangers!

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Sorry but I don't buy that. Ally and his team are highly paid professionals and there is no need for them to take their eyes off the job in hand. Worst scenario? They lose their job, will they starve or even struggle? No. This excuse has been pedalled for too long.

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Well that's your opinion and it is exactly the same as the rest of his apologists. Here is mine: He was a scoring legend for the club. He is completely out his depths in terms of tactical nouse, intelligence and courage to just go for it and entertain. The fear factor is paralysing him and his team and preventing them from expressing themselves which results in 4, 1, 4, 1 against Forfar. Cautious to the end but we are still out the Cup in another early round. He states he needs to get in an expensive second string goalkeeper because Gallacher has not enough first team starts yet the 5 games after the league was won last year were not seen by McCoist as chances for Gallacher to get first team experience.

McCausland was a star in the Hong Kong tournament and in all games he has started in this year yet he does not start in Forfar.

Andrew Shinnie not rated good enough by McCoist but was voted one of the 4 best players in Scotland last season.

Kane Hemmings let go not good enough for Rangers but already back to scoring feats for Cowdenbeath in the division above us.

Gasparato potentially the best young centre half for years not getting to start any games.

Rhys McCabe not contacted by McCoist (during the close season) in spite of being by a mile the best Rangers player in our last win at Ibrox over our East end cousins.

The Second Highest paid manager in Scotland with arguably the worst cup record in Scotland.

The man who has assembled the second highest cost squad in Scotland and the man who just cannot get the fact that we cannot afford his wages, his assistants wages, the wages of all the players he brought in this close season nor the other goalkeeper and striker he is still looking to bring to Ibrox in spite of our club being a complete and utter financial basket case.

And finally when we were all at our work crapping ourselves awaiting the result of the renamed "Title stripping tribunal" the bold Ally was on the golf course.

Apart from that your right he's feckin great

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Realranger you are wasting your time trying to talk sense to some on this forum. Your statement could not be a truer reflection on what is actually happening with Ally. No manager of any other Scottish club, never mind Rangers, has had to endure the turmoil and upheaval that Ally has had to work with. Administration, liquidation, Loss of a full first team squad, Signing embargo, Players who Ally did not want, no approval to play until 24 hours before season first game, only seven full time players on the books and only a short signing period to close of window when registration to play was granted, loss of senior talent scout, Only allowed to play new players on a rotational basis and none at all in the game against Forfar, threats from Green and un-motivational message to Ally's team before cup game.

These are just a few of the issues Ally has had to deal with as well as representing Rangers in meetings during the Admin & Liquidation period.

Despite all this and non support from a section of the fans, Ally still won the third division at a canter.

No man even Walter has done more for Rangers than Ally McCoist. I salute you Ally you are a true legend and I look forward to a time when you will be able to concentrate on the football and not player, press, punishment obligations or board issues, because you are a true winner just as you were in your halcyon playing days.

Ozzie Al

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Excellent post number 3. Nail on the head.

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I think the main thing I'm picking up through all this is the complete difference of opinion between forum and reality.
If you believe the forums are a true representation of opinion on Ally then he would have been out the door a long time ago.
I believe the reality (demonstrated by supporters at games) is the opposite. Therefore he remains in post.
I'm still sticking to the opinion that there are no doubt better managers out there but there are none who have had to manage this club under these circumstances. Not an excuse, just an opinion. I think McCoist being vilified is wrong and he deserves better. That said, if we get stable at board level and remain solvent with a clear plan for the future then McCoists future should be reviewed if he's not performing. I don't have confidence he will show a great deal more in coaching terms than he has already, which is not good enough. All that said, there is more to managing Rangers in this situation than simply getting formation/tactics right on the park.

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I honestly don't know how Ally does it. The board and background staff are supposed to take the weight off him so he can focus solely on the football. It looks to me that he's fighting battles on every front, and that's been the case since he took charge. Not good for the team at all, and if Ally wasn't up to his neck in dosh more fans would likely get behind him.

Aye Ready

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