Rangers Banter Archive April 09 2013

09 Apr 2013 21:38:23
Why does Green not realise that lies catch up with you. If I say something in the pub, there is little chance of that ever being verified. If however you are in front of the press or at public meetings, you must expect that if that involves a famous football club, then these comments will be reported.

That is not rocket science, just plain common sense. Therein lies Green's problem, he seems unaware that these fanciful comments will be checked, and if not true he will be exposed as a liar.

A tie up with Dallas Cowboys - complete rubbish and anyway a tie up for what? They don't play the same football as us, so what is the tie up, I just don't get it.

Manchester United want us in EPL - complete and utter rubbish, no they don't, why would they? It makes not one jot of a difference to them, no more money, nothing.

Talks with Adidas and we would be their biggest club - utter dross. If that were true in any shape or form, why go with Puma. Is he suggesting that if we would be the biggest seller that Adidas wouldn't outbid Puma?

The slagging of Aston Villa, describing them as a nothing club. How to make friends and influence people, not

The statement that this is the worst Rangers team ever - for once correct, but who doesn't know this? What is the need to say it? I don't slate my work force, if somebody is not performing you speak to them, if they don't improve, they go.

The admission that he took money from an associate of Whyte, the same guy that he promised was nothing to do with the club.

The tapes of him and Whyte where he appears to confirm Whyte's involvement. The guy he accuses of ruining the club and now he is in cahoots with him.

The admission of dirty tricks to get to Whyte, really does he think it acceptable whether it is Whyte or not. We are fed up of underhand dealings, surely he must realise this.

The news today that new screens have been installed as some coup. Firstly who gives a rubbish about screens and secondly they are paid for by Commonweslth games. This smacks of Whyte and the new p. a system, not a pot to piss in yet new speakers, get real.

I could actually go on and on, there is no end to the lies from Green.

Where is the "Rangers" man, Malcolm Murray in this, he seems to be a "yes" man. When are we going to hear from him?

Where are the RST and RSA? They are usually scrabbling around for any piece of publicity that they can get, they have been once again unbelievably quiet over last days. They like a boycott, let them suggest a boycott on season tickets until the truth is out, until the deeds are shown, until liars and con men are ousted.

Why are the people that have been running our club for years seemingly incapable of telling the truth, incapable of telling it how it is, incapable of doing things in a proper business like fashion.

Where is Walter in all this, he slated Green was suddenly brought into the fold for £50k a year to do what?
I would have thought that Walter would at least have kept an eye on Green, and anything dodgy that he would have made it public. Or has he been bought for £50k?

I have to say that Green, Walter, Murray, Ally, Durrant, McDowall are all useless at their jobs. The whole place stinks from top to bottom. It really is time for the fans to make it clear that this is far from good enough, it is time for change, it is time we took to the streets and make change happen. 11000 at the weekend, compared to 30,000 the last time at Hampden, that sums it up. The week after we win the league, it's pathetic, can Green and his cronies not see what is happening. Waiting for my season ticket renewal form which will be filed in the square metal file, the bin.

It would be good if the supporters groups all joined forces and plan some sort of protest on Saturday however I very much doubt this will happen and all you will see Saturday is empty spaces and the odd banner here and there

Superb, honest post OP. Though you did omit Traynor from the useless at their job folk :)

Gaz

2) op here my apologies Traynor should be included. A PR man, doing a great job.

At last. A ger who has hit the nail on the head. Don't take this the wrong way Op but why don't you do it yourself? - organise a fans BOYCOT and get the club back. Then you hand off to a newly formed representative supporters group. I'm afraid unless, someone comes out from the normal fans and leads it will be to late. ATB. HH. joe

@op Fantastic summing up of our desperate plight. I also mentioned the drop from 30,000 to 11,000 at the weekend only for Ed to say I was to get a grip as it was an away game (technically yes but don't tell me Hampden too far from Ibrox and just won the league)When you see it all written out the way you have, it is terrifying, how can we sleep tonight?

Good post op. everyone associated with the bankruption of the club should go for ever. if green won't play ball, a new club should be started. if ibrox is empty for even a few weeks, green is snookered. walter smith must have known he was spending money the club didn't have. ally mcoist is no good as a manager and has blood on his hands. this attempt at debt avoidance by murray, whyte and green has tarnished them forever. its all come on top now and can be seen for what it is.

09 Apr 2013 20:16:49
Think Charles is on telly again tonight at 10. 30 (right?)Will be hoping to hear how he handles himself. A slippery character if ever there was one and can make people believe the impossoble---a golden tongue. I've fallen for most of it myself but tonight it'll need to be very good. Had enough of all this.

Charles Green should be made to post any statement he is going to make on here for the Admins approval, because the PR office are not doing there job.

Is that live at the Apollo?

Biggies

What about the sheer panic on Chuckies fizzer when being asked the question about who he had dialogue with at Manchester United re entry to EPL.

09 Apr 2013 17:57:58
Interview on STV in which Mr Green admits accepting money from an "associate of craig whyte" Is this ever going to end? Why would he take the money from someone linked with whyte? 6PM

09 Apr 2013 20:49:27
The time is now ripe for an organised demonstration either outside or inside Ibrox to get some answers.
No rubbish just the truth.

It wasn't so much taking money but asking for it from C. W. ----explain that one.

@1. the time is most definately ripe to protest, but you must do it big. not just a few thou, and you don't want some answers you want them all. demand to see the title deeds, demand to see positive proof of the money in the bank, not just him rubbishtin you saying we have this amount. demand to know who all the investors are, demand to know who actually owns what, demand to know if there is any unpaid debts, demand to know if there is enough money coming in to keep the club afloat. demand to know what part craig whyte has in all this (and SDM)demand to know how much money came in through season tickets and share issue and where this money is now. you must see documented proof. he's a proven LIAR so his word is not good enough. proof positive proof in everything. demand demand demand and don't settle for anything else. gary

Totally agree with your post. We need answers and we need them now and not fed the utter crap that Green wants us to believe. The evidence is damning that the lying weasel is here to feed us nonsense and hope we are daft enough to believe it. The guy is nothing but a stuttering joke and needs to go ASAP as does everyone else in the club who knows what's happening and keeping us in the dark rather than having the balls to stand up for our club instead of focusing on their hefty wage packets. Saturday is the better game for a protest as there will hardly be anyone at linfield game as its just another money making excercise because this seasons money is running out fast. I don't know about my fellow fans but I would rather watch champions league than support this eccentric yorkshireman

09 Apr 2013 18:08:41
Charles green is linked to whyte bomber was rite starve him out now

Heard news tonight and more tapes. How can he keep denying things, we have all heard it now. The cheque may have bounced but he was linked in for sure. Lies, lies and damned lies.

The cheque did not bounce it is in Mr Ahmed's MUM's account

Haw maw is it awright if ma wee pal Craigy put's some money in yer bank account, if anyone asks its yer bingo winnings ok. Nae problem son.

09 Apr 2013 16:24:15
this whole situation smells of craig shwite, admin last year no sackings or redundos, now at the end of the season with money, s in the bank "whose bank tho" all these sackings and redundos now? rumours about coaching staff getting the boot, as ally says backroom staff have won a few titles and had decent euro run, why now? whole of ibrox is being run to the ground.

Can you tell me this (cos I really don't know)can you actually see concrete proof that the rangers have money in the bank, can you see actual documents, because if you can't I would not believe there's any money at all. IMO, they're skint and there's no money left, its been filtered away on running costs, wages, and all the devious tricks up their sleeves. gary

Op can you show me any evidence stating there's no money in the bank everybody has an opinion obviosly I don't know if your wright or wrong but my point being niether do you

No audit accounts. so any clain to money in bank is pie inthe sky.

£17 million in share pledges is not £17 million in cash!

whyte found £14 million to run gers for 10 months. ie he did not pay tax!

true picture only comes for audited accounts. if whyte had been audited whole would have been visible

if green was audited. any issue would appear

ipo said £22million revalue of £5 m asset purchse. ? adding £17m by financial trick only

Op here, I said there was supposed to be money IN the bank mate so why now for the hatchet jobs?

09 Apr 2013 16:30:50
There is a great thing in the film and book All The Presidents Men, a term no doubt used by politicians daily and deduced by political journalists even quicker.

A "non-denial denial. " You never come out 100% and deny something (generally because you cant) but you use words and phrases that deflect it making it sound like a denial when in reality you haven't refuted it at all.

A quote from Ally today:

"I can confirm right now that I have not entered any discussions at all with Charles regarding Kenny and Ian, my coaching staff. "

Okay here is a scenario, Green does in fact say it, Ally glares at him and either storms out of the office or just plainly says nothing.

He is correct therefore, he has NOT ENTERED ANY DISCUSSIONS. It doesn't for one minute mean Charles didn't say it or that Ally isn't aware of it.

I don't know if it's true, I don't know if it was said but I do know that Ally's answer does not kill it stone dead.

Gaz

Great book and film. "Follow the money" - three little words and they brought down most powerful man in world at the time!!

Nixon. in same class as whyte and green.

A good spot there Gaz. Green has a habit of this type of response as well.

CG should have told Mccoist to follow them out the door also

Just saw Green's interview on STV regards Man. Utd, cringeworthy, one name and the debate ends Charles, just one name.

Gaz

09 Apr 2013 13:38:35
No doubt after latest rumour that Green told Ally to get rid of Durrant and McDowell he will be getting more stick. However let's be honest the majority of posters on here would have dumped them along with Ally some time ago.

Ally has stated he wants to be in charge of team affairs bottom line is with the players they have should have breezed through all their div 3 games. The match day set up and player fitness is where the problem lies, which is the responsibility of the backroom team, Ally you wanted the right to make the big decisions now you have your chance, axe them before you are axed.

09 Apr 2013 10:01:32
Am I getting this right? I can pay the administrator of a bankrupt company a small, unreturnable deposit, and then be allowed to be the exclusive bidder? This is crackers - are the administrators not supposed to work for the creditors, not the next owners? This is going to go badly wrong. Stinks of F R A U D.

I don't support either side of what used to be the Old Firm but have to say this whole saga is becoming tedious, Could the small shareholders (plus the Supporters Football Trust?) not club together and put forward a motion of no confidence in The Rangers board? Although a largley symbolic guesture if carefully worded it might force the issue of who owns Ibrox/Murray Park etc etc into the public domain. Hope you rid yourselves of the Spivs infesting your club sooner rather than later

TBH, BDO and HMRC must be rubbing their hands at this stuff. D & P must be worried as well, they must be implicated in this.

This WHY Judge involved in administration who appointed admins, and if they corrupt judge will disband THIER business and reputation, once admin done, judge appoints LIQUIDATORS to investigate actions on admins.

Does whyte own BDO?? If not then make take 4-5 years to find issues in admin?

Unfortunately our supporters groups are a bunch of yes men more concerned with being thrown some crumbs of acknowledgement from the board than actually ever questioning them until its too late.

Same goes for Rangers men in the media like big DJ, likeable big guy but another yes man who only managed some very mild criticism of Charles Green & who was still backing Whyte as his crebility plumetted.

Somebody somewhere needs to grow a pair. And soon! And why haven't Malcom Murray or Walter haven't demanded an EGM yet!

09 Apr 2013 09:25:55
Durrant/McDowall Out = McCoist Out = Walter Out = More Spivs IN

We don't need Durrant & McDowall in the bottom divisons in Scotland and we are currently losing a million a month it makes sense to get rid of the pair of them

Showdown time if they go so will Ally, Green up to his old tricks divide and conquer.

Why on earth is there still a goalkeeper coach being paid?

That's fine if proper process is followed, but allowing it to be leaked to the press means they have to be paid off more than they would have surely.

09 Apr 2013 04:22:01
So Sandaza came for the money, and Green came purely for the love of the club! He likes to wield power, talk pure Horse meat, and generally avoid the REAL issues.

The Rangers supporters, board and everyone at the club need to demand full disclosure of all Rangers asset's and accounts, and withholding all money until our club is back on the straight and narrow. Money is the only lanuage people like Green talk.

Right now we are building on sand. We owe it to ourselves, and a whole load of others that have been badly let down by the club.

Green needs to move on!

Every one of them there for the money. Don't tell me they wouldn't rather be playing in higher leauges but they played in Div 3 for cash, not for the love of the club. Am under no illusions about that. Some may be fans but if the money wasn't right (and more than they could get elsewhere)they would not be there either. Can't blame one of them as you have to look after yourself----careers are short.

N1 lee mcculloch was willing to stay and also stated he would play for nought surely that can only be for the love of the club he might have been the only one but he ain't their for the money