Rangers Banter Archive April 09 2012

09 Apr 2012 23:38:50
If Rangers die by liquidation, let's do the decent thing. When a loved one passes on, we grieve, mourn, then adapt and get on with our lives. A newco would be a denial of the obvious, and survive only as whipping boys to the club's bitterest enemy and subjected to constant ridicule. Don't allow Rangers' heritage to be humiliated! If the worst does happen, do a bit of "walking away" and within a few seasons Scottish football, as we've always known it, will die with us. They'll be little gloating going on then.

Cheerio then !

I'm not a Rangers fan but I believe newco will be Rangers incarnate. Very quickly they will be the team to challenge Celtic and have tens of thousands turning out to support them. And likely they will play at Ibrox, whoever its owner turns out to be (could be a stadium owner like Wembley).

09 Apr 2012 22:10:57
I know we wont be signing anyone soon but if we were id love us to sign andreas laudrup, brian laudrups nephew, hes a good player and just thinking it would be great to see a laudrup in a rangers top again haha

We need to get away from signing players from aboard and start playing Scottish youngsters.

What about signing Sheryl Gascoigne then? - Im sure she would be able to cope with the Rough and Tumble of Div 3 and be very popular in the Showers !

A think bianca gascoigne wood be more popular lol

09 Apr 2012 20:25:36
HMRC would have to completely re-write their Rule Book to agree to a CVA with Rangers - It's just not going to happen . Liquidation is as certain as Death itself !

Do you really think people would have wasted time bidding for Rangers if there was not even at least a chance that a cva was achievable?

Hmrc could have issued a winding up order against Rangers at any time over the last 9 months, the fact that they have not i think suggests a deal is at least possible.

Liquidating Rangers will earn hmrc £0 as Whyte has a floating charge, doing a deal will at least get them £12m back.

plus a a bonus we wont have to pay Celtic the money we owe them ha ha.

Roll on the timplosion.

@1);HMRC did not wind rangers up because of the sell on factor.the bidders will liquidate as soon as possible,though if the BK's are accepted it will happen later.where do you get this if liquidated HMRC get nothing nonsense?sell ibrox and murray park and you got nothing,is that not more worrying?

All of the bidders are only interested in Rangers after Liquidation .
HMRC are not concerned about how much money they get from Rangers - it is the Principle here - they have bigger fish to fry than Rangers . They must follow their own rules to avoid setting a precedent .
Rangers fans are the ones being "Duped" - All this CVA talk is just to keep them onside and paying out .
They will soon be asked to renew their Season Books for next Season - and some of them will do it ! The poor deluded Fools !

If Rangers were liqudated Hmrc wont get a penny as CW has a floating charge he will get paid hmrc wont, that is the main reason why a deal will be done.

They would be millions out of pocket for what exactly?, As every EBT case is different a win against Rangers wont mean a win against Liverpool or whoever.

Celtic fans seem to think they know exactly what hmrc have in mind they don't.

Hearts were issued a winding up order for a lot less money than Rangers owed.

@3} you lot can't seem to grasp that any new owner buying Rangers to liquidate the company would be out of pocket a lot more than a cva so its pure tosh to say anyone would buy the club to liquidate it.

1. 3 year ban from Europe would cost £30m.

2. Having to buy 70 odd players just to get Rangers back to the number of players we have now would cost another £20-30m.

3.To buy the assets and naming rights etc would cost about £30m.

Total bill to restart a liquidated Rangers would be just about near the debt we owe at the minute.

All the new onwers will go for a CVA. Only way Ranges will be liqudated is if hmrc issue a winding up order.

@5 what "you lot" fail to grasp is that HMRC cannot agree to a CVA - It is against their stated Policy to do so where they hold more than 25% of the Debt . ( Look it up - it's on the Internet )
They will not set a precedent just to save Rangers - that would open the Floodgates for any other Business , not just Football Clubs, to do the same .

@6 Hmrc have done a number of cvas with Football clubs so to say that they can't do one is baws.

Dundee. Portsmouth, Darlington, Bournemouth etc.

Darlington owed them £500,000 hmrc got £3 in return.

@7 - you're missing the point - again ! In all those cases you quoted , Hmrc were owed less than 25% of the total debt - that is not the case with Rangers (Dead Men Walking)

09 Apr 2012 20:15:15
When are some of the posters on this site going to notice that there are moron's on both sides of the old firm divide. You only have to scroll down this page to realise this. Getting very tiresome reading people saying "youz huv nae class, bla bla bla."

It's only natural that the moron's from your rivals rile you more.

Anyway, had to get that off my chest because some of you's are frying my nut with yer dribble.

So congrats to Celtic, you's were better than us this year. Hopefully we're back stronger next year and out of this mess.

pappy

09 Apr 2012 19:29:51
Is it true Jellyfish has refused to hand back the winners medal he won in november?

Somebody asked that question the other day,....... and it didnae get a laugh then either.

pipeman

09 Apr 2012 15:01:05
@ Govanfr

was reading your post regarding the Manky Mobs attempts to impersonate mystic meg with their predictions regarding liquidation mate I have a theory as to why so many dates and so many predictions. The septic fans are just like the wee ginger whinger in their thinking. its the same as his signing policy if you buy enough players the laws of average say you are bound to have picked up a couple of gooduns just as if you make enough predictions you just might fluke it and get one right. can you imagine if we liquidate tomorrow every nice but dhim and his Staffie would be on saying told you so.

Pad

@Pad. c'mon mate you gotta see this is the biggest story in scottish football history.Team it up with the dual contracts claims and it just multiplies the interest.My own view is that the season end is the critical time as no income stream will be available......green jhedi

It doesn't matter when Rangers go into liquidation Pad. When it does happen you will know, you will hear much wailing and gnashing of teeth from Govan and parties all over the rest of the UK and Europe that the shameful and vile institution known as Rangers can no longer bring shame on our country or sully our good name on foreign shores again.

@2 seem to remember this season Celtic getting uefa fines due to bigotry singing and sectarian chants....let's not forget the hearts game live on sky....highlighting and broadcasting to the world the vile nature of Celtic FC.

At lemon unnamed poster.shameful and vile institution? how can you call us that? seriously? im not goin down the road that you seem to favour and point out the many downright disgusting acts protests and general hatred towards all things britain that your gaggle of muppets indulge in.its entertaining none the less to see how you call us shameful and vile yet your the one thats spending your time on our page.while we may be shameful and vile,you my hairyback friend are sad and pathetic.just remember that its all about the rangers,thats why your here isnt it? xx
drumlad

@Drumlad; you are right it's all about rangers,how long you got left?

Long enough sweetheart,just you worry about not dropping your spaghetti hoops on your keyboard.

Ok jehdi its a big story but all these vile and shame remarks are uncalled for , bill leckies column about 5weeks ago was sayin celtic minded journos at a gathering to choose player and manager of the
month wer sayin take titles of them , even one suggested takin the cup winners cup of us , maby you read the column but leckie made a comment about why celtic could have been thrown out the league all togeather , if no celtic fan read it try and look it up , maby afterwords theyl cut out the shame and vile taunts , doubt it though

@ 3.) Celtic dont do bigotry. Some of our support need to move on from singing republican songs but bigotry no. We welcome all creeds and colour and have done since 1888.......unlike some....

Joeshmo1888

09 Apr 2012 15:21:23
The big tax case verdict will be out in the next 7-10 days, if we lose then we will owe an immediate 24m, regarding the penalties and interest, this will be decided by another tribunal which would take upto 6 months, and is highly unlikely to charge us with the whole sum, so why d&p have decided to include all of these figures in the debt amount is anyones guess, because quite simply we will either be bought over and a cva agreed or we will be liquidated, so does anyone know why d&p would go down this scaremongering route? ..... col..

Probably because they have been working for Whyte since November looking at liquidation, that is by their own admission, as stated in their report.

Because they know they have lost the tax case.Rangers already owe the 24m,it's the penalties and interest they are fighting over.This is the reason liquidation is now being openly spoke about,the blue knights would have to do it as well as soon the season ends and thats no income,the wages for the players need to be repaid,and running costs will keep running.And dont forget D&P,who's bill is rising daily.Costs are to much,it looks like it's over

Because they have a legal obligation to disclose every debt the club may or may not have

09 Apr 2012 13:10:19
I for 1 am fed up with people telling me how good Ally is, come on guys he has a worse record than LeGuen. Hopefully the new broom that sweeps through Ibrox gets rid of him as well. Standing on a pitch crying cause you won a game, if you had won more we wouldn't have been in the mess in the first place!

Last week when we beat Septic what did you think? He's been in the job a year and lets face it no ordinary year for a new manager. I'll let things be sorted at Ibrox with administration etc and then judge him, dont think results we've had this year will be tolerated by new owners and fans.

Rangers going into administration was a blessing for super ally,bumped out of every competition and losing a massive lead in the league most fans claimed he was well and truly out of his depth,remember super sat and said nothing negative about whyte before administration,as fans where tearing their hair out wondering what was happening behind the scenes he sat there with his mouth firmly closed(for once)just to keep himself in the only high profile job he will ever have.His well planned one liners are all good and well now but his silence before administration was shamefully selfish,very sly man.

Nope sorry mate disagree.
AM is a legend at our club.
Now i agree that shouldn't matter if he's not getting results, but give the guy a chance. It's his first managerial job,and he's had to do it with his hands tied behind his back. And remember we pumped Celtic twice this season.
Ally deserves another season's crack at it at least.I believe this admin thing was known by,and got to the team long before the story broke in the media,and this is what caused the dip in results, add to that the injury to Naisy,Lafferty, Whittaker,and then sale of Miller & Jelavic. We had no strikers.
Anyway who else is going to come in now? No big name coach for a start, i wouldn't think.
Ally is RFC through and through and has stuck by us,i reckon we owe him at least one more crack at it.
Who better than AM and ID, to let the younger player know what playing for Rangers is all about.
Stevie-A-Bear

He is working with a worse squad than LeGuen IMO and in really tough circumstances.

GovanFR

You keep jumping between "us" and "you" which makes me think "YOU" don't even support rangers and your full of it... Am I wrong ? Probably not I'd say !
PaulRFC

No, to throw away a lead like that is terrible, he better buck his ideas up!

If rangers hadn't entered into administration and results still went the way they have, would we still be showing as much patience with him, I think not. We demand success. The mankie mob showed they would give thier man time, and he wins a title in his second year, we on the other hand normally don't do second best!

@ Paul - If you're talking about #2 i agree mate. This "Sly wee man" rhetoric is definitely from a "Hoopy"

Stevie-A-Bear

McCoist ha shown that he isn't really cut out for management. It will be many a year before we have any serious money to spend and Ally isn't used to that type of market. The majority of his buys this year have been poor and the pointless win in the last OF game merely papered over the cracks. During the summer when we lose Shagger,Davis,Kyle etc and they need replaced with either youths or cheap/free players with low wages on offer I think Ally will struggle to build a half decent team. Personally I think we should go for Stuart McCall, he is a legend as a player, know all about our club and has experience of building teams without much money, even have McCall and Terry Butcher in charge. I just think that Ally has been found out this year and it is just going to get worse, even though he is giving it his all I fear the job, in it's current state, is far too big for him.

I would agree that Ally would probably got the Bullet if all this administration has distracted from a horrendous season but i also think the Ginger Whinger would have been shown the door if it was not for the cretins who sent him bombs and bullets

Pad

Govan Fr u having a laugh they only decent player in le guen team was papac ally has a far better team yeah he done well beating cfc but nearly drew the game in the end an his record aint good enough have been saying from day1 i didnt want him an still dont


TB

The point being made mate is that Administration did happen, and was the reason for the dip in form.
AM and the players have turned it round, and without Jelavic, we're on a good run at the moment,in case you haven't noticed.
Stevie-A-Bear

A good run Stevie? Not in my book when we threw a 15 point lead away. It has been a shambles of a season, on and off the park.

Stevie-a-bear,rangers went into admin about 6 weeks after they lost top spot,in case you never noticed.

Might not be the best manager but in fairness wasnt backed with any real cash, but other than walter wouldnt want anyone else in charge with all that is going on just now

c/bridge bluenose

09 Apr 2012 11:55:05
Just wondering if someone could clear this up for me. Its been quoted in the daily press that the bid from Bill Ng's consortium totalls £20 million, £12 million of which has been set aside for a CVA creditors pot, Leaving £8 million over, Does anyone know what this £8 million could be use for? Personally i hope it isn't to buy the 85 percent share-holding off Craig whyte, this would make me sick . Any thoughts...?

09 Apr 2012 11:35:56
if rangers manage to get a new buyer, and are run within there means, and manage to stay in the spl do u think they will be able to finish in the top 6.

Still finish above your lot.

Who are 'your lot'? The OP could be a supporter of any club yet you assume their a Celtic fan?

Nice one, Assumpta.

Typical Rangers fans, not an ounce of class or dignity. Even in their darkest hour.

09 Apr 2012 11:05:29
Was at Rayo Vallecano/ betis game cuple of weeks ago and speaking to their fans. It seems they are up to their necks in debt and are one of the lowest payers of wages in la liga

Then you woke up and read the newspaper like the rest of us .........

09 Apr 2012 09:18:11
Rangers fan here, far too many people get wound up by celtic fans on this site, look at the top raangers rumours, stop talking about them

It'll be Rangers getting wound up in a couple of weeks.

LOL at 1.) Its only Monday and you've already won reply of the week.

Joeshmo1888

OP Look at the top yourself, it says Rangers Banter(not raangers?) It should be Ranger(IA)* Banter but let's not nitpick....moron

09 Apr 2012 08:49:50
right i was having a look at Singapore richest businessmen and i came across some website called Forbes and it said Ng family is the richest family in Singapore with wealth of 9 billion a don't know how true it is but it defenetley said Ng FAMILY WORTH 9billion

Dunno if that's the same NG? Maybe someone can confirm it...

Maybe there's a Whyte family somewhere with wealth off the radar.

1903

Your spot on mate it is the same family but the worrying thing is bill ng said his £20mi offer was there best and final offer for rangers and what has it took him so long to make a bid. Another load of lies. If he's so rich why does he want a team in Spl when teams like Everton Newcastle and others in EPL have less debt than us and in a far better league? {Ed001's Note - Everton are in a fair amount of debt as well and offer little scope for improving income or winning trophies without significant spending. Hence why no one has bought them yet. Newcastle have interest free loans owed to Mike Ashley, which he expects to be repaid as part of a buy out. That makes them much more expensive.}

Man Utd cost £700m, Liverpool cost £450m Rangers potentially £20m?

How much Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal?

Seems to be that you can pick up Rangers for a fraction of the price and will be guaranteed a crack at European football each year.

The debts will need to be taken care of but if a CVA is agreed then would it be as high as £50m.

With no European football next year then you would have another year to find investment to enhance the squad for the following season.

The Pilot!

Morning Ed.
Other posters discussing ng and his offer of £20million as being final.
Am i right in thinking that this bid is for CW's 85.3% shareholding only, and have nothing to do with assets,debt or anything else?
Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - I don't know the details for sure, it is all just hearsay at the moment. But I would expect that the bid is for the shareholding, the assets come with the shareholding, as do the debts.}

TBKs are favourites if they can persuade creditors to accept 10p in the Pound. Don't think wee Vlad will accept £80000 instead of £800000. He'll put you into liquidation by himself!

09 Apr 2012 02:12:00
Am off tomorrow the wifes in bed , av had a long day with the weans and easter eggs. there staying at there grans tnight and now its miller time....trublue.

09 Apr 2012 00:06:53
If you survive and manage to renege on your debts and get a CVA, then your problems will only be tripled. You have already admitted that you were scamming tax in the "wee tax case" by paying players with the country's money. The SPL and SFA will strip you of titles and Celtic will sue you for loss of CL money. Your opponents in the CL in those years will also sue.

When/if the "big tax case" bill lands on your doorstep then you will be back to square one. . If you lose see above for the problems you will be getting.

The game's up, you might as well go now.

Wolvibhoy.

Right turn clyde...trueblue.

You have been watching too much american television, where the answer to every problem is SUE THEM. p.s. The only reason Celtic are anywhere near europe is because of Rangers cause your team has been too s**te to compete with anyone in europe

Mr Blonde

I'm sure this year Celtic did more for the coefficient than Rangers and Celtic have made the group stages of the CL recently too so not entirely accurate there.

WareWolvibhoy, full moons gone, time to turn back into something less desperate.

The one thing I am really happy about, is the fact that I totally understand financial aspects, in regards to insolvency etc. I must thank all the Celtic fans for their wisdom, I have learned a lot. Thank you, sincerely. Could any of you financial experts tell me if BOR/ FOGL etc will hit it big in the Falklands in the upcoming drilling campaign. XX