Rangers Banter Archive October 08 2013

 

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08 Oct 2013 20:16:26
A non rangers fan here. What do rangers supporters think of the idea that if your manger does not care about the money he's on, that he gives up his shares to a supporters group. After all he has made a fortune out of the club.

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To be honest this whole saga going right back to SDM has made me question the integrity of the club, but there is no question as far as Mr McCoist is concerned, he used his unique position with the supporters to further his own ends at our expense, personally I hate him a bit more each time he opens his mouth or punches the air when we score.

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08 Oct 2013 21:32:51
Much as I have went off ally recently and find his financial terms unpalatable, his wages are and should be a contract between him and his employer, don't remember any other manager in history being spoke of quite so ridiculously, now you come up with the idea he should hand over shares he owns? Where does this end, should he be asked to hand over a few peices of jewellery he owns, or maybe a car or two? U say ure not a gers fan? So you would ask ure own teams manager to hand over his possesions then? Were did you find this breathtaking idea? Who would he hand them too btw? And lastly, would you?
Tommyblue

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Well. he does keep saying. the fans this and the fans that. give them the shares then. H.

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@2, about the shares he 'owns', I admit I don'nt know anything about share issues, but should'nt all shares be at the same price, why should ally get shares at 1pence, while ordinary supporters, that the club rely on for their very existence, have to pay much much more.

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@4 100% agree with you
tommy he got them on the cheap to keep quiet an endorse the board at the time when its us fans that have been led up the garden path again I will say it again he will always be a legend in my eyes as a player but that's where it ends

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Who believes Ally when he says he did not look at the wage he was getting when he signed his contract I think it is an insult to the fans for him to believe we would swallow this He needs to learn the days of a cheeky grin making everything ok are gone

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09 Oct 2013 10:38:07
Ally can say what he likes, his media pals won't critisize him, has a single one qestioned him about some of his latest imossible to believe statements?

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Ally's problem and ours is he does not engage his brain before he speaks. He is good at talking but not thinking things through which accounts for a lot of the complete contradictions and nonsense he comes out with. "Who are these people" he demanded with indignation when he knew fine well who they were. "Maybe we should publish a song sheet with acceptable songs" when questioned about unacceptable bigoted singing and chanting at Berwick Rangers.

He is quite simply not good enough in terms of moral fibre, honest, integrity and intelligence never mind football management ability IMO

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08 Oct 2013 19:46:47
Mr Walter on 6pm news, not naming anyone, and not being pressed to, but saying people are not putting the club first. This from the guy who walked away twice, resigned as Chairman. He said he was surprised by accounts. I cannot believe that. He knew what was coming as he stated serious investment was required, then walked.
AMcC and WS both took about three decades of money out the club. The club has provided both of them with over 90% of their working life income. Takers not givers surely.
I think it increasingly looks like admin2 and I think WS KNOWS IT.

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So did walter smith not earn his wages? would you rather a cheaper manager and no trophies? he won numerous trophies and gave us plenty of last day highlights and a euro final amongst other great memories and he's a taker? have some respect

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O/p I think you need to have a wee lie down three decades 30 years of money how do you work that one out.

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There is no question Walter brought great success to the club. What the problem is the fans are crying out for clarity- according to Alastair Johnston Walter had a lot to say to him about the disfunctionality (is that a word) of the board but will not let the fans know what went on. Yes people will say that is part of who the man is but time to speak out Walter- what is the truth about CG in particular leaving and then coming back? Where do the Easdales sit in all this? Why is he surprised at the size of the loss et all when he was on the board and surely asked questions of Stockbridge?

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@1) he had a £47m EBT tax avoidance mechanism on his side and SDM who racked up £138m in debt buying him success plus the £18m that settled HBOS/ LLOYDS debt. That's a huge edge over all other spl managers even McCoist couldn't fail with all that.

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Sorry people. When you behave like a puppet then put your hand out to be handsomely paid you then don't deserve a say on what has happened. As soon as the money went into Walters bank he became like them. Something's are better not said.

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09 Oct 2013 19:46:41
How is Walter a puppet? He was given a wage didn't ask for it, he was invited onto the board not asked, when he was manager again he was given a wage didn't ask for it a contract was made up and it was signed nothing more nothing less. As for £138m debit he had think you will find that over £80m of that was when advocat was manager not Walter, also £45m again was the pay off HMRC was trying to get.

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08 Oct 2013 19:16:04
the 2 nameless posts were me a thought a was logged in lol my bad

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08 Oct 2013 18:48:12
Since we are not getting our share of the setanta money I assume it will be going to the creditors pot and not lining the pockets of the spfl premiership clubs. If the money goes to these clubs them they are stealing money from the creditors.

Gaz.

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Why are other clubs getting it and we aren't gaz?

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Would the money not get split between all creditors seen as the SPFL teams are some of the creditors then a would imagine they would get some

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Would Daniel Cousin money not have stole money away from creditors? Your beloved Ally thought that was a great idea.

It was Rangers and Rangers alone that did not pay those creditors, don't dare try and pin the blame on anyone else. Beggars belief some of the sh*te some of you write. Well here's a newsflash for you, the SPFL are taking about relegating teams who go into administration, enjoy your new found success, while it lasts!

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Thought all of the football debts had been paid off, as part of the deal to keep us in the league
is it not in the accounts?

bil72

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#4 so if the spl clubs take money that is not theirs and keep it rather than give it to the creditor pot then that's ok with you? Shameful.

Gaz.

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Speaking of Daniel, whatever happened to the better offers he was rejecting to help Gers in hour of need.

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Football debts were paid off, but not our other creditors, some of the small creditors were paid with money from the RFFF I believe, but the money that the fiends at the spfl are keeping which they are not entitled to could go a long to paying off other smaller creditors.

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09 Oct 2013 11:57:49
@3 what a nasty wee guy you are, Get this right, no Rangers fan knew of any of this, it could have happened to your team too pal, WE NEVER KNEW

i know that's something you will never accept but its a fact, we were robbed also, of a lot more than money, now go away

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@8) You were told long and weary Whyte was a fraudster, you were told for long enough the cash was running out. And as for this time round you were told for long enough the club was losing a million a month and that Ally was on the ridiculous amount of £750,000 a year. All denied, all replied with In Craig We Trust, all deflected with "Wait till the accounts come out. "

All and I mean ALL you have known in this time, more so than the last time is demands for a better team, some of you have in this site justified bonuses for going through Divisions, why? Because it is the win at all cost mentality of Rangers and most Rangers fans, it is sadly more evident this time than last which makes it doubly unforgiveable and insane that so many of you bought into this with season ticket purchases a second time round.

I have been outspoken before about this board, how you were duped but the endless craving for success from yourselves is part the reason for this second very possible administration, any sympathy I had evaporated when come this summer each new signing was met with joyous celebration in here, you know no other way, win at all costs, more to be pitied than hated that's for sure.

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09 Oct 2013 19:27:23
@5 So how many creditors get their money backcwhen a company goes into liquidation, not many. Also it was not Rangers who held any money back it was d+p who done the deal to sell the assets, HMRC didn't agree the CVA which would have given creditors more money back
Charles Green paid the football debits to keep the club in the league setup and have the registration moved over keeping Rangers Football Club going strong. Howany creditors will be paid if Dunfermline gp into liquidation, or if hearts go down next season and go onto liquidation how many will be back on then passing comment?

WATP

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I'm sorry but Green did not pay any money to 'keep the club in the league'. Rangers had to apply to join the league again as they did the SFA. This is a well known fact that was widely reported at the time. I challenge you or any other poster to find an article from the time that mentions Rangers stayed in the league, and why would a company need a club's registration transferred? If any company took over the club they would have still been in the SPFL, as things panned out Green bought the assets and started a new club in the lowest tier of Scottish football. As a Motherwell fan who was closely involved in their financial problems I can assure you I know what I am talking about and can provide evidence to back up everything I have said. If Motherwell had been liquidated there were plans to launch a Lanarkshire club, where would Motherwell have been? The same place as Gretna, Airdrieonians and Rangers, the history books. It's sad and as a fellow football supporter you all have my sympathy but that is the facts of the matter.

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08 Oct 2013 18:41:33
Why does ally insist on playing 4 centre mids, we have no natural width, I would much rather play a 4-1-2-1-2 formation, my team would be



BELL
FOSTER MOSHNI BIG JIG WALLACE

PERALTA

BLACK LAW

MACLEOD

DALY LITTLE

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Op then we would have no width apart from Wallace bombing up and down the left

It's a pity big lee does not have a final ball into the box to match his runs

Another thing, law should be told to get up and support the forwards, his first couple of games he looked like he would be among the goals regularly but now looks like he has been told to hang back

JG

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I agree we need a formation change although i'd have Mcausland & Clark in before Foster & Little. I wouldn't mind seeing how we get on with the modern day 4-5-1

Bell
McAusland Moshni Jig/Faure Wallace
Black McLeod
McKay Law Tenpleton
Daly

Larky Bear

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Undefeated in league, top of league
scoring goals that's why
billy h

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A formation change? because we are looking like we are getting taken apart each game? always being undone at every attack? not in control of matches? leave it alone.

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@ op that's the team mccoist puts out

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4-5-1 at home in division one I very good

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To the nameless Sarcastic persons. The 1st one @4 maybe not a formation change as such but maybe playing wingers on the wing would be a smashing idea no?

@6 we've played 4-5-1 in this league & the 3rd division but never like the way I put it out there. If Chelsea pull a league 1 or 2 team in the FA Cup watch them I guarantee there's only one striker on the park. The 4-2-3-1 if you like can be a very attacking formation It's more or less a 4-3-3.

Larky Bear

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09 Oct 2013 19:37:26
I liked the way Juve played at the tin can with 3 at the back this way it would be 3 defenders any 3 as long as not cribari, then 2 of Wallace and MacCausland at each side then black/McLeod, law, temps and any 2 strikers, when game is won then put the young ones on this would give us during attack 7 players and during defending 9 players who know what they are doing any thoughts?

Richie

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08 Oct 2013 18:37:28
Is anyone on here ever going to talk about on the pitch football, whatever we say or do on here, it just isn't going to get noticed and won't change anything, concentrate on what we are doing correct, the off field issues will resolve themselves imo, we will not run out of cash it just won't happen so heads up and sing along at the next game WATP

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Duh it's happened before, or were you on Mars
Tam

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Great reply TAM it happened before yeah but it won't happen again, and yeah just back from mars u care to update me?

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I completely agree talk about football do u honestly think talking about this all the time helps the board don't care what we think that's a fact let's just get back up to the spfl and support ally we couldn't get a better manager to come anyway he needs full support leave finances to the board that's not our department

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So how much has gone since the share issue? It won't happen again, eh?

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@2 they have already lost £14 million, is that a big enough update for you
Tam

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08 Oct 2013 18:26:38
Wonder how the Green Brigade are feeling about Dave King rolling into town?. The guys more than a match 4 Desmond anyway. Bring it on

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Who cares what they people think. They are disbanded within parkhead because of the embarassment they brought to the club with their wrongly spelt banners and their assaults on stewards.

Gaz.

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Where does it say he's coming?

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In what way is he more than a match? This is schoolboy stuff. Let's concentrate on rangers and rangers only. F k Celtic and the green brigade. Not interested.

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Green Brigade, a poor mans BLUE ORDER/UNION BEARS

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In the paper today (Scotsman) that Craig Mather has flown to South Africa to meet with Dave King to discuss a significant investment in Rangers.

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Stupid point to begin with but might as well point out that Dave King is worth £250m, Dermot Desmond's worth £1. 16b, so no he is not his match.

G93

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08 Oct 2013 22:03:27
Stupid post? Why did you reply then? And you made up financial statistics to back up ure point too? How do you know what either mans worth? To my mind any scottish guy worth 250 million self made is quite impressive, this is a boy from castlemilk m8. Try not to use people you don't even know to prove your point

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N5 mathers went to sa to speak to dk but I don't think dk will be interested until current board are removed

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@7 Even though he had to pay back million's to the South African government, yes that's really impressive, and this is the guy you want to run your club, unbelievable
Tam

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Forbes Rich List has Dermot Desmond as 831 in the worlds rich list at $1. 8 billion. Dave King doesn't even make it on the list some match.

Ian

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Tommy blue its a stupid post as think the op is suggesting he is a match to Desmond money wise, £250m is impressive yes but is dwarfed and no match to a billionaire

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It doesn't matter who has the most because fifas new rule comes into play that's why all big teams spent big this season

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09 Oct 2013 12:14:26
i think some of yopu have missed the point here, 250 mil, 1. 8 bil, what does that matter exactly? DD doesn't spend much cash on celtic anyway so I don't quite get were your coming from, it was a daft post,

And as for the Tam guy, please try and get things right before your poison rolls out, read Kings case, not the DR read what the case entailed, I know you don't have a clue, The money he agreed to pay was already put aside by him, he could have paid at any time but he was in dispute < have you got that, DISPUTE, that means he didn't agree so he didn't just hand over what they wanted, he wasnt saying he wouldn't pay at any time just that he would fight the SARS viewpoint, like you or me would if we didn't agree with a bill,? The very fact that they relented and accepted what Mr King wanted to pay vindicates his stance, and he was charged with nothing, that must hurt you eh? so why on gods earth would anyone not want a very successful businessman who supports the club?
tommyblue

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08 Oct 2013 10:03:47
it says mather wants to recruit king onto the board if king has any sence he will stay clear because untill the board are out the fans will still be potesting we don't want them take the hint and go away king stay clear

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Are you interested in the future of our club or is it protest at all cost?
Totally ridiculous, the demonstrators have made their point, so time to ease off to stop further damage.
billyb

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08 Oct 2013 11:13:13
Would welcome Dave King into Ibrox myself but hope that fellow bears don't think he is a messiah or sugar daddy. The man has just taken a 44Million hit from SA tax authorities and has already lost 20 million at Ibrox and isn't about to pump in the massive warchest that some think he will.

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@2 he's already said that he would put 20m in plus he was looking to purchase more shares also how do you know what he'll do

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@op mate if Mather gets king onboard then I honestly believe then this board aren't as bad as getting made out to be

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08 Oct 2013 12:47:10
3. So everything Dave King says he'll do he does?

I can think of a few instances where that hasn't been the case such as he claimed he would sue SDM but never + didn't he say he would sue Charles Green too?

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@5) yes said he was suing SDM for £25m and also CG.
Mather is running about everyone as expected before AGM. Setting up the votes and looking for money as it runs out end Nov?
No one is handing it all over without big pay outs to go away. They'll let it die first.

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I hope King had Stockbridge searched before entering the room. Confiscating all cameras and audio devices is highly recommended.

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King didn't make a fortune being stupid. Mather and 'muppet' appealing, that their gravy train is about to hit the buffers, will cut no ice. Hopefully he will buy them out.

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09 Oct 2013 21:44:49
@5 I think DKing has the same rights as the rest of us,? That he, s allowed to change his mind?, I said to my wife I was getting a curry last night, I ended up having steak n chips, terrible eh?
Point being maybe sdm apologised or paid mr king, thus he changed his mind, we don't know, do we?

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08 Oct 2013 09:15:05
Let us all hope and pray that Mr King involves himself again and takes his rightful place on the board, no nonsense about fraud, no charges to face, money paid, all £45 million, always was set aside to pay if he lost his dispute with the SARs, I know people who hate us will come on and try and denigrate the man, but real Gers fans should, remember the cash he fed into our club and how much we enjoyed the fruits?
Tommyblue

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I agree tommyblue, not to happy that he was invovled in a dispute over taxes in sa but from a rangers point of view the man has in the past put his "own money" in and lost it and seems willing to put more in if the deal is right for him, which is understandable, as far as I can see he has no other agenda other than his love of rangers, not like others we have seen recently operating at ibrox!

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Totally agree tommyblue and the sooner the better. I also hope he can recruit Brian Kennedy with Souness as director of football then the future will be bright.

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How about looking for someone who can put money in and not lose it or take even more out. Is there no Investors out there who can A invest money B Give the club a fianacial grounding to work from which can see the club for the first time in decades stand on it's own two feet and finally C does not have a dubiousfraudulant or corrupt background?

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It's not an investment unless you can get cash back plus interest above inflation plus costs. Does trifc promise that to attract "investment"?

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@3, there is a fairly large % of guys with real cash that have dubious pasts at best.

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@4) your right it's not "investment" it's once again a charitable donation. Give away millions with no hope of returns. That's how it works.

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@6 many millions has DD invested wjth little chance of a return?

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@7 does Desmond not take about 5m a year from them

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09 Oct 2013 21:52:17
@1 listen m8 DK was entitled as me and you to dispute a tax bill, its not our place to comment on his business unless it affects us surely,
And some people have became angels overnight when it comes to Rangers, if someone can show me a self made millionaire who hasn't bent, broke the rules I wouldn't believe them, but this forum has an unnatural amount of totally crime free cherubs, wno are quite happy throwing mud at other people, its disturbing really, because some of them stop typing and actually believe what they say,, then roll a joint or smoke their blak market baccy, makes me laff,

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08 Oct 2013 01:35:49
As much as it hurts to say a defeat to Airdrie in the cup may be the straw that breaks the camels back and kicks off the cleansing, McCoist, the board, the lot out. Here is hopping

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08 Oct 2013 07:13:26
Not going to happen though is it m8? we beat them 6-0 away only weeks ago, also why would we want to be put out of the cup? only positive reason I can see for that is the avoidance of a sellik game,

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Away and boil your heed. Wanting "your" team to lose so you can get rid of a manager - which won't happen anyway.

Gaz.

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@op losing in the cup would not get rid of any of them but your ment to be a fan and you want us to lose

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