Rangers Banter Archive November 08 2012

 

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08 Nov 2012 21:00:31
should all be ashamed of yourselves - NOT ONE CONGRATULATION TO CELTIC.
Typical Rangers fans and no doubt the ED will shirk this!!! {The Ed039's Note - Give yourself a shake, there are plenty on the page)

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I take it you cant read or dont know how to scroll down the page, you should be ASHAMED

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..Most Rangers fans are not interested in celtic....we are only interested in our own club...besides with the accusations and abuse we,ve had to endure from celtic fans everywhere this last year it,ll be a cold day in hell before you get any congratulations from me...Big Dee...

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Jog on dafty

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Ok for you, congrats cfc on an extremely lucky result!!! Good enough for you?

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Im a celtic fan and have read a few on our page. I dont usually come on here just wanted to see opinions on hearts situation, If I wanted rangers fans to see a post id post it on their page that's what they have done for us so grow up.
Danmac

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Congragulate a club who sing jelly and ice cream when the rangers die i dont think so

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@2. Not all Celtic fans think the same as the OP, there are some good, even minded celtic fans on here also who give reasoned replys (the majority of the time) and would congratulate us in the CL if situations were reversed. Don't let the annoying element get to you, they are only interested in winding us up and getting a reaction. bigbaz

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Quite a few Rangers fans made the effort to post congratulations on the Celtic Rumours site which I personally think was appropriate.

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08 Nov 2012 20:20:19
Sandy Jardine really picks his days to make an ass of himself doesn't he. I know the old saying was that whenever Rangers were likely for a back page big story Jock Stein would start some whisper to get Celtic a headline but jeez this guy comes across as stupid and desperate, though which is in the majority I'm not sure.

He makes Dan Quayle seem a competent spokesman.

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Why, because he played and is employed by by far the biggest club in Scotland. {The Ed039's Note - I often wonder what he is doing and how much he is collecting for doing it TBH. Guy is a legend but is he a scout, is he an ambassador for the club? What does he do?)

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I have been wondering that too the guys an idiot IMO

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I saw Sandy many any as a player and he was one of our finest - and great as a veteran at Hearts too incidentally.

But he's certainly no great shakes as a spokesperson for Rangers, that's for sure.

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When things are going well, he appears, opens his mouth and makes more fans of all clubs want to stick the boot in more

You should get shot of him

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08 Nov 2012 20:15:51
Guys what is al the 'shhhhhh dont tell the tims' stuff about? Serious q? {The Ed039's Note - Its a secret)

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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhs you will find oot dont tell timmy

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Charles said he hasn't touched the season ticket cash, he's lying. He lumped it all on Celtic qualifying for the last 16 of the Champs League, that's the secret :)

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08 Nov 2012 22:14:22
its playground stuff dont worry yourself

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Half your support cant spell secret never mind keep one.

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08 Nov 2012 20:06:35
It is a shame whats happening at Hearts,always a great atmosphere at Tynecastle,enjoy Rangers games there,Best wishes,i hope you get the money,and pukk through this tough time,

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08 Nov 2012 18:02:10
When will Rangers fans realise that Hearts' financial situation has absolutely nothing to do with you not being in the SPL? Hearts had debts of £28 million when your old club were in the SPL, the same time they began to pay wages late and their problems date back to 2006 when their wages were 126% of their turnover. If Hearts were to go bust in June do you really think their will be a vote to let them back in the SPL, then failing that, SFL 1? As the ED has already stated, this is an isolated incident and irrelevant with what happened with your club.

G93 {The Ed039's Note -

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Dundee fc took over what would have been rangers fixtures had they not gone bankrupt. so far dundee have been to tynecastle once. the attendance was 12466. the capacity of tynecastle is 17420. so even if a match with rangers was a full house only 5000 more people would have gone (segregation would have removed some of that) and higher policing costs would have taken its toll. gates at other fixtures are up as well. hearts' tax debt is about £450,000. its obvious rangers demise has not caused hearts'. the reasons for that lie with the owner, another conman who saw hearts as an aid to his cash flow. a lot of these debt pedlars have been caught out by the banking crisis, dont you know ?

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@1 Spot on. Strange how they all hide behind the disagree button rather than provide a counter-arguement, maybe because there isn't one?

G93

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G93. Spot on with what you are saying but try looking at the potential consequences if they do end up going bust and tell me it is neither worrying nor relevant. With the national team performing dismally, no Old Firm derby and now potentially no Edinburgh derby, besides Celtic's excellent run so far in Europe, how do we maintain and/or generate new interest in our game? Those are/were the big box office attractions for those outwith Scotland and the TV and advertising people willing to put in substantial money to peddle their wares. Surely you can admit that two high profile teams going bust within the space of a year will have an impact upon the financial sustainability and credibility of the SPL. It must have.

Hearts have a decent support base too which would be lost. What do you do then? Invite Dunfermline (who can't pay their wages on occasion either it would seem) back in or take the THIRD best finisher from the first division into the top league (surely devaluing it further in the process) and carry on regardless. The attendances are poorer than hoped for as it is. Yes, Hearts, like us, have brought this upon themselves but you are being naive if:

a) you think they are the only team in the SPL operating above their means and struggling to maintain debt payments.

b) they will be the last one to face a winding up order - Killie aren't coping particularly well at the moment either, for example, and they are not alone (although they would probably escape with a CVA through administration if they have kept their taxes up to date).

The entire structural and hierarchical ethos within Scottish football needs revamped and modernised. The SPL/SFA should have had a model similar to the German system put in place prior to it spiralling out of control whereby clubs cannot overextend there finances nor spend what they do not have. The SPL format has not worked following the split and we should return to having one governing body concerned with the well being of the game. We currently have 12 "as long as I'm alright Jack's" running our top league and it is going downhill rapidly because of this individualism. Celtic, Hibs and probably Aberdeen will remain unaffected because they are well run but the others are less secure financially. The entry criteria for the league should be revoked too whilst we are at it as that does not assist clubs like Dundee and Ross County when they have to find additional finances for undersoil heating, additional seating etc just to be accepted into the league in the first place. Why when no-one has spare cash flying around? Now it is too late and we will just have to wait and see if we can come out the other side as a footballing nation (and that is what we should be - not individual clubs concerned solely with raking in as much as they can individually) with any credibility left whatsoever. It's not pleasant to say or here and I genuinely hope I am wrong but this is just the beginning as far as I can see.

Brian

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Brian, I agree with pretty much everything you say, my point was that some of your fellow supporters should realise the Hearts' situation started years ago and the possibility of admin and would have happened with or without oldco being in the SPL and they can drop the you didn't vote newco in, you reap what you sew¯ gimmick.

You are spot in with both your points, the SPL turned into a house of cards 10 years ago with clubs like Dundee spending £1million plus on South Americans and it has caught up on them in recent years. A lot of teams have tightened their belts significantly, squads have been trimmed, players have been sold and youngsters have been given a push, but these clubs have had severe debts hanging over their heads for years and sadly there isn't enough revenue streams for teams like Motherwell and Killie to service these debts. Don't be surprised to see players such as MacKay-Steven, Russell, Murphy and Shinnie flogged in January for a lesser fee.

I thought for Scottish football to progress after The Rangers entered SFL3 the governing bodies and SPL clubs should have sat down and discussed the fact that the next 12-18 months are vital for Scottish football, the clubs should have said we will tighten our belts and the governing bodies should re-structure and repackage Scottish football by 2013/14 season, 16 team league, play-offs, SPL 2, Friday Night Football, but it has got to such a state that nobody will give an inch in order to ensure their club is safe. I'm sure SKY will continue to back the SPL, Celtic are too big of brand to leave untouched (I'm sure you will agree), but if all we have to look forward to next year is Highland derbies then Sky can hold the SPL to ransom.

It seems as if all this Armagedon talk hasn't came to fruition as predicted by the SFA, but if Hearts go to the wall the SPL will start to creek and the likes of Killie will be edging closer to the same fate. If in 3 years the SPL is made up of teams like Raith and Morton I'm afraid Celtic and maybe The Rangers will seriously need to look at an Atlantic League of some sort, a Yugoslavian League¯ looks likely to be in place by 2015, and as selfish as it is as a Scotsman, if the situation deteriorates significantly by then I'm afraid we cannot subsidise Scottish football anymore, we have stayed and kept the SPL going long enough and leaving this small pond¯ will be necessary in order for us to continue to grow.

G93

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08 Nov 2012 16:14:29
Well hearts fans what are you going to do will the SPL vote you out if you go into administration remember your owner was first to want us voted out of the SPL be carefull what you wish for remember the SPL teams were warned

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Hearts fans will suffer, like Rangers, from the actions of their owner. Pity, but the way Rangers were treated from nearly everyone was shocking.

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Why can't 45,000 from the Capital chuck in a tenner each to sort this?
It's hardly the £165m owed by historical Rangers is it?

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08 Nov 2012 18:09:38
Why would anyone be voted out the spl for going into administration? They'd get the 15 point penalty(or a third of last seasons total if greater) as set out clearly in the rules(a harsher penalty than it was last year) it only becomes an issue if they go into liquidation(i.e go bust, fold completely, are made bankrupt ,cease to exist) this is what happened to rangers no one was voted out they went bust a newco applied to take their place and obviously any newco must start at the bottom. Really scary these basic points are being missed(choose to be ignored) after all this.

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@2 is it 165 millon now? Seems to go up 10 million every week.

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#OP..showing a lack of understanding my friend....gers weren't voted out of SPL for administration so why shd Hearts? If they do they shd be docked points just the same as gers. Also nobody has been voted out of SPL..gers were refused entry to it for going into deeper insolvency event...ie liquidation

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£165m where did this figure come from?

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They've also just been drawn against Hibs in the League cup. That will be a hot ticket. Sorry to say but I think Hearts will be all right. {The Ed039's Note - You would be in the minority. Hearts are insolvent and it will be a case of putting fires from now on and delaying the inevitable)

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£165 million, like every debt interest is accrued,thats why.jamie. {The Ed039's Note - Not during an insolvency event)

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Rangers werent voted out for going into administration. they went bankrupt and had their assets sold to new owners who had to apply to join the league. they tried to get the spl to have a vote and allow them to jump 3 divisions. this was rejected as it would have meant whyte's plan would have worked. get with it for chr***s sake.

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08 Nov 2012 14:42:43
And the winners of the champions league 2012/13 Glasgow Celtic, oh sorry that was a group stage win, you would think they had won it.

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Someones hurting badly.

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Well we did actually in 1967 in case you forget.Sorry to rub it in even more {The Ed039's Note - There was no group stage then, not mocking the acomplishment, just saying before someone else did)

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There is always the possibility, it's a long shot, but then again, who'd have thought they would win last night. I certainly didn't. bigbaz

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Not won it but beat the team who are favourites to win it so just you concentrate on peterhead

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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Concentrate on the Peterhead game.

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@4 and they were favourites last year and the year before etc etc - not even champions of their country.
Anyway now that you've got the points in the bag got to be favs to qualify now.

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08 Nov 2012 14:41:20
See the RST are launching a scheme where they collect money to buy a "stake" in the club. Whilst I will be buying shares I would urge supporters not to get involved with RST. There may be many supporters who cannot afford £500 and if that is the case, then so be it. Do not give £100 to RST. There is little chance of making a profit on shares but most of those that buy are buying not for profit but for the good of the club.

However there is no chance of ever getting your money out from this scheme. Get together with a couple of pals and buy them between you.

However my major concern is that RST and indeed RSA have been nothing but a disaster since the sale to Whyte. They have constantly put their size tens in their mouths and have been a liability.

It began when Whyte bought the club, they demanded a meeting and declared him as "impressive", really?

Then the BBC programme when Whyte was hauled through the coals, they demanded a meeting with the Charlatan. They asked him when accounts would be submitted. That was it. I could of thought of a few more pertinent questions like why do you lie every time you open your mouth, you lying bar steward.

When we went into admin they then started rubbishing potential buyers, they then backed the wrong Blue Knights bid.

When Green bought the club they demanded a meeting where they insisted on no price increases. Well I for one would gladly have paid a price increase in time of need.
We had a shortfall of £10m and they demand a price freeze.

When it became clear that there was to be SPL vote, they then talk of boycotts on this, that and everything. Not the way to make friends and influence people, and their antics certainly had an effect on other clubs supporters who in turn blackmailed their own clubs into voting no.

Just when do they get anything right?

These two totally inept organisations who have I believe 1500 members seem to hold some sway and have the ear of Rangers boards past and present. They should not have, they are bungling idiots whose only goal in life is to get five minutes on the telly or their names in print.

They don't speak for me and all Rangers fans that I know, and now they want your money.

Buy shares by all means, but don't get involved with RST

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Celtic fan here
When I saw this I thought not a good idea
Some Rangers fans would have been planning to invest £500 (even if it meant a struggle its to save the club) but now they might just say Well I will go with this scheme it will only cost £125
So Rangers could lose out Not the brightest star in the sky the RST

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Anyone who buys shares at the moment better be prepared to lose there money, as soon as green gets that in he will dissapear as quickly as whyte, that is the reason he won't sack mcoist in order to get the cash back for his small band of investors, already we are 2.3 mill in debt because of the wages we are paying to the bigget load of s##t i have ever seen all mcoists signings what a waste of money

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08 Nov 2012 11:31:26
Canny believe that result last night, I was out for dinner and never seen any football & got up this morning to see the results .
Well done Chelsea brilliant!!! Lee WRTP :)

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Op You'd have had to wait to see Chelsea result as ALL stations focused on the great victory last night at Parkhead first.Never seen such coverage---gone worldwide, on CNN too.Good publicity for Scotland----for a change.

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NICE ONE LEE !!

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Top post Lee

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@1 how exactly is it good news for Scottish football will it bring investors pumping in millions across the whole of Scottish football will any other team get any more media cover will it make fans more willing to go and pay over inflated prices this weekend NO NO and NOOOO. Celtic deserved there win last night and I don't want to seem petty but barc a were dreadful tried to pass the ball about without any real interest they disrespected Celtic and Celtic made them pay. One more win and you make the last 16. But only Celtic will benefit no one else in Scottish football will. This is how sad Scottish football is there is only 2 teams anyone outside Scotland are interested in and 1 of them is in div 3 now that truly indicates how poor the quality is in this country. Cannot no say welldone Celtic but I say it grudgingly

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The celtic scouting system seems to be far better than ours. We hardly ever make a great find for not paying much money. Think scouting system needs a revamp.

Kfb ger

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@5 I can think of a couple boumsong bought 2mil sold 9mil cuellar bought 3mil sold 8.5mil Allan Hutton cost peanuts sold 9mil vanbronkhurst bought 4mil sold 9mil there are plenty other ones. I know it's hard watching Celtic and the success they are having right now. But they felt the same way late eighties early ninetys our day will come again {The Ed039's Note - Some research is needed done, Boumsong joined on a bosman and was sold for £8m, Alan Hutton signed for Rangers as a 15 year old and was sold to Spurs in a deal "worth" £9m, but Rangers would never have received all of that money as it was a structured deal based on appearances etc, Cuellar cost £2.37m and was sold for nearer £7m)

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@5) scouting system was overhauled when bomber got bombed oot!

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Cheers for correcting me ed I never said they were facts they were just estimates and by your reply I was pretty close on all. The only point I was trying to make is that rangers have found a good number of players who didn't cost the earth but were sold on at a nice profit {The Ed039's Note - Yeah and good points, and if I didnt say it you know someone else would have)

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Add Rino Gattuso and Charlie Adam to that.... we are suffering with jobs for the boys culture with ally... durrant and the rest all stuck in an 80/90s mindset....Lennon has adopted O'Neill strategy BIG and FIT and some skill with a TEAMWORK ethic thrown in.. not rocket science and it is working, did you see the size of the players in tunnel compared to Barca? I am not in anyway saying big athletes is the answer but with Scottish talent limited it is AN answer to the topskill teams... big jack charlton had same ethic at Ireland....time for ALL coaching and scouting staff to be replaced with modern thinking people... george {The Ed039's Note - Tactical awareness is something that I am more than prepared to admit is of greater significance at Parkhead than it is at Ibrox, and it is time someone behind the scenes took notice)

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@4 its good for scotland by giving coefficent points coz they are comming from nobody else, been badly let down by national team rangers wont be able to help in that department and it was 2006 when aberdeen got to europa group stage so celtic carrying the whole of scotland
DB77

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@10 there we go again Celtic carrying the rest of Scottish football y ar,e get of your moral f,cking high horse. It won't matter if you increase the coefficient all the other teams are that Sh,t they wouldn't qualify even if they only had to go through one qualifying round. Celtic never helped anybody else in Scottish football bar rangers and vice versa. It's time to grow up and except rangers and celtics dominance over the last 30 years has killed the rest of Scottish football and I'm a rangers man and openly admit that

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Why are not spotting players at home like watt tho? Should b able to get players for buttons that can get us up through divisions

Kfb ger

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@12 we are McKay aird Hutton McLeod they are all doing a good job with the opportunity of first team football. Honestly all watt has done is scored a couple of goals in the league and one against barca doesn't make him a Wayne Rooney or messi or bale quality and they were all playing at a higher level week in week out at eighteen than watt ever will. Where will he be in five years time probably warming the bench at some championship team or still playing for Celtic {The Ed039's Note - Are you being serious? Do you watch football, now granted I dont care much for sitting and watching many Celtic games, but what I have seen of Tony Watt, his movement is first class, his touch is brilliant, he is powerful, he is pacy, he can use his left foot, right foot and head. Early days for the young man but that is an unbiased assesment of him, and I have already discussed with the other Eds as well, this guy is a talent, and the previous poster is correct, why are we letting ones let this pass us by) {The Ed039's Note -

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Ed are you serious except against barca when else have you seen him playing outside Scotland honestly one good performance and he is the next best thing since sliced bread everybody is entitled to there opinion ed and mines ain't the same as yours I guess only time will tell who's right but I certainly don't think it's me in 5 years time he will either still be at Celtic or warming the bench for a championship team. Yes ed I do watch plenty football games including Celtic games a game of fity is a game of fity for f,ck sake Lenny miller would have scored that goal and that's saying something {The Ed039's Note - All I am saying is he looks a top youngster and wondering why we don't have more players like this coming through the rańks, throughout the country)

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08 Nov 2012 11:05:07
First time poster on here. Would like my first post to be in good taste and congratulate Celtic on their victory last night. They did exactly what you need to do against Barcelona. Although I disagree that they are the best team ever or even the best right now. How can they be the best team when they lost La Liga by 8 points last season? But not taking anything away from Celtic. Terrific, spirited performance and fully deserved the victory. What a moment for young Tony Watt, he'll never have to buy a drink in his life again! Lol.

Well done again and enjoy the celebrations.

WATP

SC93

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Great result definately & pains me to say it but Tony Watt seems to be a major find.
seem to have seen these tactics before though & they never got any good press from the messis of this world before

bil72

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Completely agree - credit where it's due Celtic did Scotland proud last night.
hopefully not too long before we're back.
JMG

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Very courteous and sporting comments guys. It was very tough watching us concede so much possession in the game, but every guy in green and white did his job and there was no diving in - giving away free kicks or pens and the chasing back and closing down was exceptional. However the most important stat of all at the end of the game was goals scored.
Great result/boost for Scottish football.

Jungle Jim

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Must admit, they all played well. But for me, Adam Matthews was man of the match. He played way beyond his years.

SC93

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08 Nov 2012 10:31:52
Just want to say I hope Hearts go out the game, I am bitter and I hope more follow but I am only like this because the crowing that all football fans have had at the expense of all us Rangers fans over the past year has been monumental and I really hope Dundee utd are next....I used to believe that Hearts were like our capital brothers but in the past year I have never heard so many "Tax Dodgers" "You Deserve Everything That Has Happened" etc etc from Hearts fans and many other fans well we are where we are due to our failings and maybe Hearts fans wont be so quick to mock another teams demise....KARMA.....

Tam-Sir 1873 Loving it....loving it....

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Just a thought?
if Hearts go bust (which I doubt by the way)- who fills the gap in spl fixtures if anybody?
bil72

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Unfortunately, SDM and Whyte are the reason we ended up where we are now, NO-ONE else, certain parties have had a dig, i'm not denying that. I would not wish the demise of any other club, fans suffer at the end of the day. Fans are fickle and will mock each other, (some will be downright nasty) but we need to rise above that, as bitterness helps nobody. bigbaz

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OP Yes you are so bitter.Is this what you wish for in Scottish football,that everyone else fails.What then do you aspire to.I do hope the Scottish government steps in to save Hearts.After all Alex Salmond is a jambo.

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Bill72, if they manage to pay this half a million this time what happens when the players wages are due? OK they may pay them but then they can't afford to pay VAT/PAYE again and the same situation arises. Hearts are insolvent, they cannot afford their costs. The inevitable is coming.

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@3 why not that's what you all wished for us. We said that through rangers not being in the SPL other teams would follow. You lot rubbished that saying the SPL would be better without us. Guess what you were wrong. Ps if teams go bust due to the drop in tv money and visits from rangers twice a year then yes they deserve everything that comes there way we said at the time they were cutting there noses of to spite there face now they can sew what they reaped hopefully RIP hearts and many more you showed us no compassion so we show none back

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Answering No 1 .......A tub of polyfilla, most likely. I detest the SPL. Geo the Ger

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You dont have to be like everyone else just cos they did it to us, maybe if we had paid HEARTS on time in full and other clubs we might have won more sympathy and votes.... Me personally I am sad as Hearts have always been my 'wee rangers' if we were out a cup or the league .. they have provided many great players for us over the years... Romanov could bail them out but like murray he wont...very sad for my fellow scots jam tart fans... hope you dont end up in Div 3... lafs we could end up losing to them and taking even longer to get home to spl.... best of luck i for one hope you survive.... george

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George get a grip swings and roundabouts and all that I used to be the same hearts were my wee rangers but never again hearts will not end up in div 3 they will fold completely the money they are trying to raise will only see them through till Xmas then what

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Sorry to bust your bitter bubble but Hearts tax bill is £450,000 which is a drop in the ocean to the Hundreds of millions not payed by Rangers. This will likely be payed off. I can't imagine their fans will let their club die. They haven't even been in administration yet so calm down.

To be honest the favourable treatment shown to Rangers should give comfort to Hearts fans, knowing that if the worst does happen a precedent has been set and they can simply reform as a new club and get straight into the SFL. {The Ed039's Note - Give it a rest, you think Rangers have a tax bill in the hundreds of millions now? Hearts are £22million in debt, and relative to their turnover/profit that makes them very insolvent. Its ashame it all amounts to the same things, owners treating football clubs that mean so much to many people as their favourite playthings. Portsmouth suffered from this and if nobody takes a stance then clubs like Blackburn Rovers etc will go the same way, and who knows maybe Rangers again as well)

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Ed039,

I think you should do the decent thing sometimes. Stop letting some of these peoples comments on here. It is for there own good, or do you like seeing them make fools of themselves? {The Ed039's Note - Some of them have got to go on, and this isnt even the half of it, you should see some of the ones that dont make it on, as for this one it had to get posted so I could get my point across and point out some extreme flaws in the posters logic)

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What favours were done for rangers u r deluded i hope every team in the spl goes bust along with this nation that has become a self centred bile ridden pile of puss the hatred shown against my club was disgusting whist i do not mind a bit of banter what was thrown at us after carrying scottish football financially for years was sickening and you still want us to carry on in that way well no money from me will be forthcoming if i was a bit younger i would leave leave this god forsaken place

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08 Nov 2012 10:17:12
I'm not bitter, but Celtic fans slaughtered Walter Smith for them tactics last nite when we got to the uefa cup final, for 4 years now we have heard we will never use these tactics but last 2 games they used them, smith is negative but Lenny is a hero, make up your mind you can't have it both ways, not even in Europa league yet, if you lose to benfica and Moscow it will go for nothing.

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It's a game of attack and defence and Celtic were better than barca on both counts.
It was a strategy against Barca only, Lennon has achieved which big names could not and took 3 CL points from Barca by scoring 2 goals!
Smith played total defensively in game after game after game against teams he really should have been playing open football against. That's the difference.

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While it was a very good achievement by Rangers in 2008 the fact (and it is a fact) remains you never faced a team anywhere near as good as Barcelona. And Celtic had to cut their cloth accordingly.

Prior to the two Barcelona games Celtic had an average of 47% possession for the Spartak and Benfica games, hardly dominated. Bigger and better teams than Celtic will play them like that, Inter and Chelsea come to mind immediately.

This is generally not how Celtic play but ultimately it got a result in a result driven business and far more significantly it proved football is an eleven man game and from the goalkeeper through the back four we proved (given the number of shots etc) that ours dealt with that better than Valdez and his back four did.

The true merit of Rangers achievement was always going to be how Zenit did the next season. They were 3rd in admittedly a tough Champions League group and got knocked out by Udinese in the last 16 of the Europa League. Celtic's final opponents in 2003, Porto, went on to win the Champions League the next season.

So please don't start making comparisons between Smith's still admirable achievement and Celtic over the past fortnight, the difference in quality of opposition is night and day. That was Walter's standard set up, it certainly isn't Celtic's.

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I don't begrudge any team having 15% possession and 10 men behind the ball if they get a draw against Barca, personally I didn't jump on the "anti-football" bandwagon when Rangers did it, the scoreline doesn't say:
Lost 5-0 (but played attacking football)
or Drew 0-0 ( but played anti-football) a result is a result,
Scottish teams can't take games to the Barcelonas of this world, and if Celtic qualify to the last 16 and do it against a Bayern or Man Utd and get to the quarters (massive IF there lol) then I wouldn't care, its a results business. I think Rangers in 2008, who drew 0-0 several times and played a lot of the game behind the ball, were compared to Celtic in 2002/03, where Celtic scored 15 in 10 on the way to the final (excluding 10 vs Suduva) and Rangers scored 5 in 8, but again it worked and that's all that really matters.

G93

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Op . I'm not bitter . You could have fooled me . The only team not to play defensive against Barca are Real Madrid . You may not be bitter but your Green with envy......DH

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Number 1, that was a great attacking move for the 2nd goal, hoof up the park by goalkeeper to striker then a goal, surely not the Celtic way of playing.

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@2, we will see if you get 47% of the play against benfica next, coming down to earth with a bang next 2 games, I predict 2 defeats last 2 games.

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@ 6 I bet you predicted 2 defeats in the last two games too. Lets hope your pocket is all the lighter for such predictions.

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@6 I bet you were one of the clowns who said celtic wouldn't get a single point from that group. You come across as a bitter and twisted fool.

Briggs

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Briggs I think you will find its you lot who look like bitter twisted fools. The only thing us rangers fans come across as is hating Celtic for 125 years and counted. Where as you lot sound foolish trying to tell us we no longer exist but can't stay of our page deary me what's that all about

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@ 2 you say in 2008 Rangers never played anyone near as good as Barca but in actual fact we DID play Barca twice actually home and away just like Celtic did this season or mabey I was just dreaming that I was at the games ???

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At @1 so us drawing with barca at home with ronaldinho and most of current squad was not a similar result? that was at same time as the UEFA final...george

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@9 explain why you can hate celtic for 125 years....unless of course you are 125 years old yourself or older! Listen its the same fans supporting a different club,not hard to understand.

Briggs {The Ed039's Note - lol)

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@ 10 I was talking about the Europa League run, you faced Barcelona in the Champions League. You weren't dreaming, you just weren't paying attention. :)

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@9 Sorry to disappoint you but it ain't your page,it's a banter page for All supporter's to come and speak about The Ranger's. See the difference, The Rangers not Glasgow Rangers.
Tam

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08 nov 2012 10:14:52
as rangers supporters we all know what hearts fans are probalbly thinking this morning and how they feel.hearts are a great club , with a great history, and hope this can be turned around, but sorry vlad, its all about karma, what goes around, comes around. vlad said gers must pay, and do so for "sporting integrity" , well lets see you pay. interesting there are no " dedicated" bloggers looking into hearts tax cases !!

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No, nor any bloggers looking into alleged tax dodging by the old cfc board. Back in the day when the 'official ahem' attendances were given. But then again self righteous fc will sweep it away.

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@1 Obsessed or what ?
Tam

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08 nov 2012 09:49:35
did i miss something last night, did celtic win the cl ??, the game i watched celtic only managed to get out there own half twice in 90mins, against half a baca team that looked like they were on a city break to glasgow, as for rod stewart, crying over 3 stolen points, what a di##head !!

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That half a Barca team have just had the best start to a domestic season in their history and just lost their first cl group match for 3 years! Both FACTS, also gives Scottish football a wee boost which is badly needed at the moment, if your team had beaten Barca last night the media and fans would be doing cartwheels just like the Celtic fans and media are doing today.

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Omg those sour grapes have addled your brain We won 2-1 Check todays press Its all about Celtic

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08 Nov 2012 10:49:52
OP and Coisty below, that fish supper on your shoulders must be getting very heavy lol
Celtic beating Barcelona should be celebrated by ALL Scottish football fans as we are raising the coefficient of ALL teams. Timalloy

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OP I can feel your pain.You've just been Wanyamered.

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Even you must admit it was a fantastic result, I was jumping out of my seat and cheering when the youngster banged the second in. I HAVE NEVER EVER done that watching Celtic. Be big enough to congratulate them, they earned it. bigbaz

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Bitter to the core pal. I'm a lifelong Rangers fans and as much as i was envious as f**k last night i still give credit where due. We did the exact same against Lyon a few years back.....Do you remember how you felt that night as a bluenose? We hardly had a good go that night ourselves but the result remains one of our best ever.
Teams play against Barca like that week in week out in La Liga as well as in Europe yet get nothing. Selik sat in and let them play yet got 3 points. As much as it's diffucult to admit Selik deserve credit for beating potentially the greatest club team of all time.
J1985

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Knew it was a goal the minute watt ran after it
this lad is worth watching

bil72

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Bigbaz
You sir are a credit to your club and the fair minded element of scottish society
Well said sir its people like you & Ed that get me browsing on here now and again.Well done on your site Ed even with the rockets from both sides now and again keeping the blinkers on

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My, my a bitter wee bear OP.

Where to begin?

A weakened Barca team (not Baca by the way). Celtic had a key defender, our midfielder captain and our top goalscorer missing.

Stolen points - It remains to be seen how many stolen points Rangers gained through fielding ineligible players for a number of seasons.

As for Rod, maybe he was crying because he knows this very good Celtic team will only get the potential chance to cuff your pathetic bunch once this season, it certainly saddens me.

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Well said J1985

Gaz

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Don't usually agree with TIMALLOY but have to say he's right this time, Celtic did themselves and Scotland proud and I'm big enough to admit it.
JMG

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Timally is right...besides am i mad or is it not normal we all have timmy mates? ... i have had all my life and the best part of old firm games APART from the match is winding each other up its the greatest feeling ever for a week or two I MISS IT.. my celtic mates dont even bother winding me up anymore.. they miss the games too.... george (said it already but grudging well done celtic)

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08 Nov 2012 09:45:38
I certainly don't remember many Celtic supporters congratulating Rangers on our way to the Uefa cup final, nor through the last few months. However, today it seems as though you are DEMANDING that the Rangers support acknowledge your win last night? I'm sorry but I find that laughable. Any true Rangers supporter would not be so quick to jump on the "We beat the best team in the world" bandwagon. You cannot demand anything, especially after the baiting and obsession of wanting to focus more on Glasgow Rangers than your own team. On the nights leading up to Celtic v Barca(home/Away) on super scoreboard, your support found it more appealing to discuss Rangers and their ongoing issues than talk up 2 matches in the Champions League? I think that says it all about your support. Like us , you will have your fair amount of loyal ,decent supporters who are only interested in Celtic. But it is the ones who talk a good game and don't even go to their games who seem to be commenting on things just for the sake of it.
Get behind your own team, stop commenting on Rangers issues and enjoy the success that is happening now.
One point I will finish on is if Hearts do go to the wall, it WILL mean for the sake of Scottish Football as a whole, drastic change will be needed. You may not be looking over your shoulder, but if Hearts go, others will follow. For that there is no doubt. Scottish Football will survive, but it's about to go through the mire and personally I think it stems back to the day we chose Setanta over Sky. At least then, the league was exciting and most teams had players worth watching with talent. Rangers through overspending are paying the price now, but how far before we all realise the problem is bigger than just one club suffering?
One governing body and out with the blazers.
Coisty09

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08 Nov 2012 10:24:17
I am a Celtic fan but I cheered on Rangers all the way to the final during that run. Hearts are yet another example of what happens to clubs who gamble on success, not an example of any inherent problem with Scottish football.

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At times i really do despair, how many times on here have we complained about 'tic posters commenting on our problems, sometimes justified sometimes not. Time to move on, let's for once try to be civil towards each other. I for one will congratulate them on their result last night, because i want to - I have several Celtic supporting friends as well as Gers ones. I do it for them, they're my friends. Looking forward to Saturday at Ibrox, and 3 points in the bag. bigbaz

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1) correct. Management of clubs are financially incompetent or financial risk takers beyond acceptability chasing dreams. Or both. I believe Rangers Board were both.
Hearts are the latter.
There's nothing wrong with the structure of Scottish football. Just individual club's board management, which sorts itself out and they find their level like New Rangers.

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Well said #2
VHSS

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@1,

Don t be too smug too soon, there may be developments coming out of parkhead soon enough, lets just hope you lot are as righteous as you like to make out.

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08 Nov 2012 09:31:59
I may be a lifelong Rangers fan but I'd just like to congratulate Celtic on a stunning performance and result last night. Credit where it's due - well done!

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08 Nov 2012 08:31:55
Hearts may be in trouble shortly due to tax avoidance relating to loan players, etc. Looking forward to see which course of action, relating to sanctions, the corrupt Lawwell-run SPL will pursue before finding them guilty, of course! ... How about the stripping of titles, just for starters?! Geo the Ger

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Celtic and their fans don't care about Hearts cos they've only won a couple of cups in the last few years. All they want is a club with titles - like us. Mind you Hibs might want the cups taken from Hearts.

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It will not be for tax that titles are stripped, it will be for dual contracts where some money paid to one (registered) contract and more paid to other contract (not registered) to balance the books and gain european licence from SFA. mr murray and his board have shafted everyone mostly their own plans with this stupid plan but when ogilvie smith(G) and peat were signing said sfa contract they never thought they would get caught.Their own fans are the biggest losers in this and I truly feel for them .

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Geo the ger you are starting to sound like a grade A prat. When was the last time the Jambo's won a title. The Lawell comment just show's why we will never be rid of bigotry or sectarianism, while we have people like you around.
Tam

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10 Nov 2012 01:40:03
@ you only realising that now tam

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08 Nov 2012 03:42:41
Hate celtic and will always hate them but they out fought and billied barca they deserved to win... george

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George you don't hate Celtic, cos if you did you would be like Geo the ger, you had the decency to climb above it all and congratulate another Scottish team for a great result.
Tam

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08 Nov 2012 01:33:25
conspiracy theory here !!

Barca said in advance they thought Celtic would join them in the last 16.
So they went to Parkheid with one eye off the ball. They could afford to lose tonight and still go through with only Benfica and Moscow to come.

Makes a change from all the conspiracy theories we got from them over the last few years.

Great result tonight >?? my arse

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Aye messi meant to hit the bar and Sanchez meant too hit the post, the barca players knew big foster would pull off all those saves aye mate you're bang on! Get a grip!

Bman

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Results like tonight will ensure your gran kids will be celtic fans

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Barca were not on fire that's for sure! Was it a birthday gift? Who knows. But credit where it's due, for a young team they are having a crack at it, and so far so good. They just better hope they don't get lulled by this result, as Barca were not playing for the win! Your right it wasn't a great result, but it was a good one.

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To 2] one word '' NEVER''.

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84% possession blows that out of the water, 24 shots on target.... if they playing to loose would be 24 shots off target.

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OP, as a Ranger's fan, I am gob-smacked with your post.

Get a f**cking grip and support YOUR team and leave other teams to their supporters.

Rangers are where they are, in the 3rd Division, and Celtic should mean little or nothing to a true Rangers supporter.

Why sound off and embarrass yourself with regard to a team that is of no threat or concern to Rangers?

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OP you are an idiot, a Barca win last night confirmed qualification and group top placing with two games to go. Which meant they could field a team of kids in games 5 and 6 had they so chosen. Experience for them, a rest for Xavi etc, no vital bookings, suspensions. As well as 900,000 Euros for the win. And yet in you addled mind all that was worth forfeiting to be proved correct that they thought Celtic could be second? You are insane.

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Well done op, but you are wasting your time with them. They can t see it even when in front of their noses.

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So celtic run the spl, and can get Barca to take a dive, so who are the people then?

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08 Nov 2012 00:02:30
This page is just like your team. Not working. We come on here to rub it in of course. Watts wrong with that ? Wannama favourite things is winding up the self appointed superiors of ibrox. That will not change. Plenty more to come. Pray you are kod out of cup before you meet celtic. You will never, ever get over what will happen to you. Your manager would not be cleaning boots at paradise. Hey its only a game !

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If paradise is made out of breezeblocks I'd rather go to hell. Why should we be scared of Celtic were a third div team. Maybe more like Celtic should be scared of getting rangers imagine the sl,gging you would get if we beat Celtic. Finally we would get peace cause I don't think you would show your face on here again

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If he did clean the boots they would be still muddy.

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07 Nov 2012 23:37:28
Ecstatic hoops fan!want to say thanx for all the well done msgs thats real supporters.it just proves anything is possible and never a truer phrase....always keep the faith..

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