Rangers Banter Archive March 08 2012

 

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08 Mar 2012 23:36:51
Na mate. Wishful thinking but I don't think the bears can join English league. Rules changed years ago, so teams out with England can't play in league. Only chance we would have is if sky wanted the move to happen. But even that a long shot.

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B*llocks swansea play in england in the prem and that's right there from Wales!! oh and cardiff play in england aswell what utter tosh!*ksd* {Ed001's Note - will you please stop with that nonsense! What Swansea and Cardiff or Luxembourg teams etc do is irrelevant to the situation you are in. They all joined other countries' leagues because there wasn't a professional one in their own. If they hadn't and were now trying to join, they would have to appeal to UEFA and cite some kind of special circumstances to do so. It is unlikely to be allowed, the SFA would block it because they fear a weakening of their hold on power in world football, UEFA are unlikely to allow it as it would be a step towards a European Super League.}

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08 Mar 2012 23:27:55
Let's have an open day at ibrox from 9.00am to 7.00pm. Charge £10 a head. Have the players there to meet the fans, pictures £10. Get the cups out, maybe the last time we see them for some time. Charge £10 for pics with them. Empty the shop, get the players to sign them, charge £50. Get some jerseys from players of old, sign and sell them.
I for one would be happy to take my son, and spend a few bob, I think the fans would back it, if they knew this would help. If we got 30.000 paying £50 over the day! It is £1.5M.Am sure the staff would work for nothing if it would help save their jobs.
Whilst this sounds like a scout jumble sale, there are so many ways to generate money, why don't we think out of the box .
At the moment we will stand up to save our club but I think it would be preferable to get something in return. Interested to know what you think. {Ed001's Note - that is what should have happened the minute the club knew it was in trouble.}

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What players? who will still be there? remember tax and vat off your figure. ed's right ,too late

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No merchendising money would go to club,1.5 million this month then what next munth,your finished digest it

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An open dad eh it will be open season soon

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Not trying to pick an argument but why did you disagree?

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Im astounded, this is one of the first posts from a Rangers man or Woman who has actually stepped up with a genuine idea to bring cash in. yes its a one off, but there are many other similar things that can be done. Unfortunatly for you guys it seems its too late but, if there is a newco then why not an idea like this before the new season in whatever league you guys are in, to boost the piggy bank?.

I have thought for a long time clubs can run more events like this that are family orientated, and so can the SFA at Hampden, like an idea i mooted a while back regarding an All star game of sorts. So many ways for money to be raised in our game. Sadly i think the effort it takes to organise and run events like this put the nail in the coffin before they start.

maybe im being pessemistic!

Evinguu {Ed001's Note - a lot of the problem is getting the players to turn up, they are far too busy to bother with the fans.}

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You aint wrong there Ed. Although a lot of players are involved contractually with club charity work but nowhere near enough.

What about gertting our big clubs to send a differnet player each weekday evening for 2 hours to school sports centres to run training sessions? would give kids a massive boost getting trained by a real current pro, i know i cherished the time Alan Main turned up at one of my sessions when i was kid. Imagine being a kid again and having a possible 2 or 3 after school football sessions with a real pro? it would really get the kids interest imo, could even convert a few new young fans could tie in with all this stuff the SFA are upto?

but maybe not as you say because thay are very busy people, with all their commitments, getting tanned, getting some new shoes, taking the Bently for a spin to the golf course, playing xbox and getting kicked out of shopping malls for wearing a hoodie.

Lots of wee things like the OP's idea and this could add up to a big deal and a state of positivity and family friendlyness to our whole game.

Evinguu {Ed001's Note - that is exactly the problem, they are far too busy twattering, playing on their xboxes, etc etc to bother with the fans.}

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08 Mar 2012 23:05:26
Hi ed,just had a thought there.never mind making season tickets void,as its still alot of money for the people who can't afford it.when we played the uefa cup final in Manchester there was estimated 250,000 fans bombarded the city well its time for them all to stand up and show their real support and not just glory hunters.if they all pay £20 each it will gibe us a pot of 5million enough to save us to end of season at least.

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If everybody paid in what they spent in Manchester, we could buy messi

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Yea you did BOMBARDED it thats for sure. A Tim

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Great then at the end of the season we can sell all our best players at knock down prices then ask the fans to do it all over again

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You lot just dont get it , do you?

" 5million enough to save us to end of season at least."

How does 5m pay off the 50m Hector wants in the big tax case and 15m for non-payment of PAYE & NIC that has been dodged by Whyte ?

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08 Mar 2012 23:00:26
Its a disgrace if season tickets are
made void in order that fans must
pay for entry to matches they have
already paid for. Whyte has no
shame!

If rangers survive to next season,
how much (%value) of each season
ticket goes to tikitus. If Whyte is
personally liable for the repayment
of this debt then surely a ticket
voucher should be made available for
existing season ticket holders. On
submission the holder could pay
cash to gain entry. This would mean
true supporters could buy tickets at
season ticket prices. As no season
tickets are actually bought then the
snide whyte would have to pay the
debt personally.
Surely there is a fraud case to
answer in all of the financial mess.
All the snipers should be careful
what they wish for! no rangers
means no league to talk of, SPL and
SFL would have to merge to try
and support a dying league. The
suits would then be nervous as they
would have to trim down in numbers.

Too many people in this league who
have no interest in football other
than trying to sound important and
have a big fat pay cheque. Non
contributors the lot of them!

Been a season ticket holder for
years taking my son to games.
Although ill miss the games, i will
make sure my money will not go
to rangers if its being diverted in any
way to finance whytes debt. As far
as I can see the club should be
owned by the fans seeing as we
are expected to pay for it with
the forecasted revenue from future
ticket sales.

As for the drivel some commentators
are saying about fans going to see
other teams should rangers fail to
survive. No chance!
Money saved from my season tickets
would be used to go to selected
english premier games or even
games abroad. If I cant watch my
beloved team, ill make sure its not
going into anywhere that is trying
to contribute to their downfall.

Hope the gers survive.

Question?

If they go into liquidation and form
a newco. Could they apply to join
the bottom tier of the english
league?

Wouldnt it be ironic if they did.
Celtic I believe would have to give
3 years notice to quit scotland.
Rangers could almost be in the
premiership by that time.

Wishful thinking, if posisible
could almost be worth all the
grief.

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Wish away cos it cant happen.

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The English league idea is highly unlikely, but not impossible, contrary to what some will tell you. There are ways of Rangers joining that wouldn't break any rules, but as I said it is unlikely. If it is in anyway possible I would like to see us do it. I personally don't see much hope for Rangers in Scottish football, the league is on a continuous downward spiral.

GovanFR

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Even if it was possible Rule 3 of the English FA states any application to join their association must be done before March 01

JG

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08 Mar 2012 22:29:52
Just saying if we do go bust, which I hope is not the case then starting in div 3 would be my preferred option.

The tims are going to love this but here goes.

Every club in Scotland will get some kind of benefit from this situation. On our historic rise back to the top flight of Scottish football debt free and able to pick and choose from the best of Scottish football as will be the prestige of playing for a club with undobutbly a great history ahead of it.

Many of these smaller clubs will be visited by a large traveling support whereby who knows, their debt could be wiped out.

Carry this on up the divisions and all clubs will get a lift.

I do think as a gesture of goodwill the newco should settle any outstanding monies to clubs owed.

If it does happen my kids will ask about this day in the future and I will tell them with pride of the history of Rangers and also that of the new set up.

We will always be the people.

Oranjeboom

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But not adventageous to the newco. No large financial payment for league finishing position in the SPL, lower home attendances due to inferior opposition, lower tv income, lower income from advertising, lower corporate income, etc.

And the big one, there will be no investors who want to invest in a newco Div 3 club.

Get real man.

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What planet are you on?

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Great call !
We will always be the people!
We are more than a club,good times bad times let's get behind the greatest club ever and even more as as we start to move forward .we don't do walking away!
We won't be down for long
watp

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Oranjeboom you have answered the problem i had regarding my kids and grand kids . I made them part of the Rangers family and have never lied to them . How can i explain that i have let them down, my stories always had a happy ending. On a daily basis little Bears are around my home aye and bigger Bears too. Wherever we are we will always be the Rangers my stories to my kids and grand kids will still be great telling of past glory and of glory to come . To all Bears remember we will always be the people .

Highland Bear

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You WERE the people.your newco might not even have the name rangers in it.you thought of that?ibrox may be dismantled to pay HMRC.any thoughts there? newco wont have any history except in your own minds. lots of near away games for a highland bear tho.elgin etc. enjoy.see you in a few years. A Tim

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A Tim or nameless one near game you make me laugh . As a Highland Bear my near games were Aberdeen Perth Dundee were talking early 70s , but i much preferred home games at Ibrox , travelled all over Scotland eye and further supporting my team. A tim can you tell me how far you have travelled to support your team , bet ur a sky loyal , you have no identity A tim no knowledge of what it means to support a team , then again you have never been chosen like us Bears . Keep looking over your shoulder A tim were still here youre biggest nightmare .

Highland Bear

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08 Mar 2012 22:28:58
Am not disputing rangers shouldn't have checked him out, what I am saying is sfa shouldn't have waited till he has been in charge for 10 months then decide lets check this guy out!! Why now? Is it bad timing or is it just a case of join the bandwagon of people that want the club to be destroyed! You would think that the Scottish fa would want to help a Scottish team and I don't mean by giving money, by trying to help the club in anyway they can

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Agree they could have checked him out earlier but the main person who should have checked him out was David Murray and by the way they are not jumping on the band wagon at this late stage,if anything it simply means that they are agreeing with all the Rangers Supporters even at this late stage that Whyte should not be allowed anywhere near this club again

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Why did they bother now, he is completely discredited and they decide to say he is an unfit owner. No, really? I completely agree they should check people out before they are allowed to buy the club.

GovanFR

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08 Mar 2012 22:11:11
don't know what ur all worrying bout - we'll wake up tomorrow and it will be all a bad dream...C Young ..BBC

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08 Mar 2012 22:09:13
can everton keep jelovic money if rangers go bust

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They have paid upfront, thats why whyte wanted him there, i believe craig+babybear

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Tgey only paid 1.5m up front.

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08 Mar 2012 22:02:46
If all fixtures are going to be cancelled how come I got 2 tickets in this morning for motherwell away fixture dated 31st of March ?? fact

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They can still be cancelled!

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Eh.... They were posted out before Wednesday....doh!

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Cause your club is rolling in cash and doesn't need any more money rolling in.......unbelievable....Stevie

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08 Mar 2012 22:01:32
"some individuals seem to have attached themselves to more than one consortium"....
That will be ticketus then no doubt.
"just because someone talks in the media doesn't necesseraly mean they are the front runner"
Is that them telling us Paul murrays more mouth than action? F£ck nos man
PaulRFC

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Confused totally mate, dont care if its sooty sweep and sue as long as our club survives .. craig+babybear

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Too late.it is over.

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08 Mar 2012 21:50:06
If this story about voiding season tickets is true wil we pay at the gate with our season ticket to prove we have1? Or tickets in advance?

Jim ek

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08 Mar 2012 21:49:40
hey fellow bears

why did the administrators not organise a fundrasing friedly for this weekend as we are not playing n this would have raised much needed inome n plus we could put buckets at ever turnstle and have volunteers walking up and down tw stands with buckets for us bears to raise the cash we need to keep the club going . i for one would be willing to help with the buckets and am sure many others would help n plus we the best fans in the world would put our hands in our pocket for our beloved club

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Good idea! The outlay for such a thing policing stewarding catering all cost money and I think most parties will want cash upfront.we know it would be a full house watp

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Think it's a bit late to be rattling buckets outside the big hoose........Stevie

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08 Mar 2012 21:31:01
if they void my season ticket then i will sue them, my season ticket should be honoured in full

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Sue who ya fud! Without the extra income there will be no club! No club means you won't have to buy a season ticket next year!ffs you support your club through the good times and he bad.right now we need true fans not glory hunters. Rangers till I die and if the club dies part of me will die with it.

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Cant believe this person saying he will sue bang out of order the club needs our help
so get ure act together and support the team

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Some fan you are i would gladly pay double if it means the club can go on

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The club and its history must survive no matter what division we are in.

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On what basis would you sue? I believe you would become a creditor like everyone else.

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08 Mar 2012 21:25:38
why do you thing that the administrators
have went from saying that liquidation
wouldnt happen to all of a sudden that it
looks more likely. well ive heard from a few people now- its because the tax case is lost. remember it was always said that the tas case
would be revealed privately first.well i think that duff and phelps know something we dont.the tax case has been lost and thats why their accelerating with a buyer, whic wont come and we will be in liquidation.its the only real solution now!!

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08 Mar 2012 21:22:26
Ask the man that knows !.Who owns Murray park ED? TTTS {Ed001's Note - as far as I can figure out, it is owned by Rangers FC. Any movement of assets could be seen as dodgy dealing anyway, with the club under an HMRC investigation and struggling. So it is possible that, even if ownership has been transferred to another company, that could be challenged by creditors.}

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08 Mar 2012 21:19:04
does anyone else get the feeling that this is a load of lies were gettin fed, i mean the story has changed few times now , anyonw with any info would be apreciated, i think that d&p are playing for time so wen the big tax case comes out it either secures the sale or kills our club , so whats with all these madcap statements? who own rangers if d&p sell to murray wot happens to whyte 85% ??oh and a big warm round of applause for the sfa for charging us for whytes actions, they all shown there true colours . can anyone answer those questions tho?

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The administrators cannot sell the club whilst in administration to Paul Murray or any other party without Whyte's agreement as he owns 85.3% of the club. Whyte will also want to be paid by any purchaser for his shares.

The ruling today by the SFA that he is unfit to run a company is irrelevant. Running a company and ownership are seperate matters.

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Whyte is not a proper fit and person to run us well am really strugling two understand why this test wasnt done before he bought us the scotish fa are a bunch of muppets they dont have a clue

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The responsbility to check Craig Whyte out lies totally with David Murray and before you blame the SFA give some thought to just why both David Murray and Alan Muir were keen that the deal with Craig Whyte went ahead because ity was a crave up watch this space {Ed001's Note - all of them are responsible, first off he should have been checked out by the seller, to make sure he was the right man to sell to and had the money. But then the SFA and SPL should have blocked any takeover until they had done a thorough fit and proper persons test. The fact that neither bothered is a disgrace.}

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Yes they can sell the club without whyte. {Ed001's Note - it happened at Liverpool remember?}

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08 Mar 2012 21:16:49
Does this overdue ruling by the SFA have any ramifications?
Does it mean that whyte can't be the owner in the future?
Does this mean that the deal with Murray can be null and void?

I dont see how Whyte can be involved in the future which is clearly a bloody good thing?

I have heard that there are conditions in the sale that whyte has to meet certain conditions. However Murray would do everything to avoid taking it back, but it would be somehow nice if he was left to pick up the tax bill and the debt that he and his cronies caused. Interesting that it was revealed in the Herald today that Rangers were paying Murray £6m a year for advice, and administrative costs including the advice on the EBTS. So much for Murrays quote that he never took a penny.

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Whyte's 85.3% ownership is untrelated to the SFA's findings. He still owns the club and must agree to it's sale whilst in administration.

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08 Mar 2012 21:12:20
Anyone else believe that the sfa have jumped on the bandwagon here! Surely they should have checked this guy out before he took control, a gave the go ahead or not! Not leave it till we are up sh*t creek then decide oh let's investigate and see if we can find anything! Absolute joke

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Surely Rangers should have checked him out before he took control - you can't blame others for mistakes your club also made.

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You disagree that Rangers should have checked out Whyte's history?!

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08 Mar 2012 21:03:57
OK, I've just listened to the Administrator's interview with the BBC. Good interview, though it has raised a couple of concerns:

1. On the face of it, the administrator claiming that CWhyte's floating charge/ preferred creditor status is not valid is good news for us. We don't want him back in control, no way - BUT - my concern is if Rangers do lose the big tax case or go into liquidation before then without anyone holding a floating charge then all assets will be sold to the creditor. CW's preferred creditor status is what is protecting the assets. I don't want him having one, but it does worry me that all RFC assets will be put in a pot and sold off with HMRC being the biggest recipient. It'll take us a long time to come back from that. I hope that the validity of the floating charge is transferred to the people who put up the money for the club - the fans, via the season ticket money

2. Admin claims there is no way for CW to profit. I don't buy this at all. If the club is liquidated with CW holding preferred creditor status then he is the first to be paid with any remaining assets, most likely to be Ibrox/ residual value in playing squad etc. Mr W would be in control of a debt free NewCo, which he could sell on at a huge profit. Worse still he could be the landlord for Ibrox, charging NewCo rent every season. This comment from Duff & Phelps worries me a lot.

Floating charge is key here.

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Your post don't make sense mate. What was said on radio (bbc) last night was: all properties belong to RFC. Stories of transfer elsewhere timothy wishful thinking. CW is NO a secured creditor, he merely has his 85% share (which is more than enough!).

If this is the case CW will not see any benefit if the club is liquidated (shareholders last in line if there's anything left at all). Because he stated this previous I assumed it was just more b****cks.

Tax case win- hunky dory.
Tax case loss- 10p in the £ CVA with the Revenue as they too benefit far more if gers are moved on as a going concern, rather than them forcing liquidation and assets being realised piecemeal for buttons.

If we can muddle through to the season's end there is still certainly hope of a sale. I thought liquidation was inevitable until yesterday myself but yesterday was actually pretty positive, relatively speaking.

A qualified accountant. :-)

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08 Mar 2012 21:01:29
step 1 Remove whyte, by fans &
authorities, salvage any cash.

step 2 Paul murray & co takeover,
cash injection.

step 3 Sort out creditors, accept or
cancel ticketus deal.

step 4 Hold SDM liable for big tax
case, share issue from fans
to contribute 10 mill max 'IF'
we lose. If liable, taxes MUST
be paid, We pay our way.

If SDM has the best interests of the
club at heart, and is confident of
winning the tax case. SHOW IT!
Or forever be known as the charlatan
who brought down our great club.

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, "sort out creditors"..."cancel ticketus". These are not miniscule inconveniences which you can choose to rectify or not. Just how are you going to sort out the creditors? How much money are you going to inject? Latest conservative figures suggest than someone would have to put £90m even before a penny is spent on the footballing side. Your post is the equivalent of saying "bring about world peace" "Feed the starving" "Shelter the homeless".

It's too late, you should have mobilized your support many months ago but because you were top of the league it didnt matter.

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08 Mar 2012 20:50:39
Is there anyone at our club that is honest ..I mean whyte ,king Murray apparently with the record king has he could not even buy a car in this country ..plus south African goverment still chasing him for millions ..

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Paul Murray is presently deceiving the fans stating that he believes that Rangers can come out of administration and that he wants to purchase the club as part of a consortium on this basis.

If the club were to come out of administration there are £15m known debts, circa £40m payable to Ticketus over 3 years, Millions to purchase Whyte's 85.3% shareholding, Whyte's floating charge of £18m. There is then the big unknown of the Big Tax Case. There are all the investigations taking place into Rangers with unknown sanctions.

The best option for any purchaser is to start a newco. Yes there will still be the issue of Whyte's floating charge and what will happen with Ibrox and having to purchase a new team but it is a far far better and cleaner commercial proposition.

Remember what Murray said of Whyte. He could not understand Whyte taking over the club when the Big Tax Case was unknown. Well, it's still unknown and the situation is a whole lot worse.

For Murray to pretend he is interested in taking the club out of administration is deceiptful towards the Rangers support. If this is his opening move, then he is not to be trusted.

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08 Mar 2012 20:47:46
How Ironic is this - Couldn't make it up.

TEAM DISCOUNTS PLC

Appointment Date: 10/11/2011
Position: Director
Occupation: Director
Company Status: Active


Directors and Secretaries

Mr Craig Thomas Whyte.

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08 Mar 2012 20:44:11
This has got to be a stitch up. Let's face it you couldn't write this little lot. A retrospective investigation into the fitness of Craig Whyte, administrators who don't seem to want to do their jobs, a tax bill that didn't need to exist taking the club into administration, and the real possibility the club will go into liquidation. There seems no rhyme or reason to it, but i guess we'll find out in time. As far as paying to go to games from now until the end of the season jam that. if there was a clear will from Fluff & Yelps for the club to survive then alright, but there clearly isn't so no chance. I stepped up and paid at the start of the season, i'm not handing over anymore until i know exactly where its going.

The Great Waldo Pepper

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Haha you dont do walking away ya tight git

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Tight git? OUCH!!! That was incredibly hurtful. Guess I'd better just get my hand in my pocket and give it over to the administrators. Will get to that just after I buy more shares in RBS and join the Lib Dems. Cheers for getting me told

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08 Mar 2012 20:44:28
Seriously, a new co may be the best thing ever. A new co wont hav a contract with ticketus, no vat case etc. Start fresh in whatever division and with our fan base we'd be top flight in successive seasons!

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What players you going to have

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Well you will have to play your games elsewhere as ticketus own the seats for four years whether its football or concerts. I heard yesterday that if a newco isn't in place for the 1st April then all debts go to the newco as there is a new rule coming in then. Im not sure if it's for all debts or just hmrc. Maybe you could clarify this Ed, cheers {Ed001's Note - I haven't heard anything about that, I will see if I can find out.}

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And no history or the name Rangers in any part of the new name.

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Where will you play

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08 Mar 2012 20:37:26
Hi all,
 
I am sending out this mail in the hope that it can be rolled out via various media outlets and quickly reach our season ticket holders.
 
I am a Rangers season ticket holder of 27 years and can't bear to sit back and do nothing to help the club.
 
I have a suggestion that would bring in a some of money each home game from now until the end of the season
giving the club a source of income to pay the bills, staff wages etc that I don't think we will have given we are out
of both cups and europe.
 
Today the players will have to make a decision on a pay reduction to help the club but we as fans also need to play our part.
 
We need to keep the club alive until the result of the big tax case is known as I believe that is when any serious
buyers will come forward.
 
My concern is that the money in the club runs out before then and the administrators will be forced to liquidate as
they can't continue to trade if insolvent.
 
My idea I would suggest is simple to follow and implement, it just needs the support of the fans.
 
We have five homes games left until the end of the season, it may be to late to have it in place for tomorrow but I am
suggesting that all season ticket holders upon entry to the stadium donate £10 (on a per game basis).
 
This could be done by having trusted volunteers (maybe some of the ibrox staff would want to help) manning every entry gate,
so just before going through the turnstile you would give your donation to the person at the window (I would suggest
the ballot boxes used for elections for holding the money which i'm sure we could borrow from the local council). 
 
This would generate I would suggest around £400,000 per match, putting this together with ticket money from public sale
(of which we hope to sell out every game from now until end of season) we would be looking at around a total of £600,000 per game.
 
I think the fans need to be confident that this money would be going to the club and not into the wrong hands shall I say,
with this in mind I would suggest having a trusted figurehead and there is only one person for the job in my eyes and that is
Walter Smith (who is also a season ticket holder).
 
This is where I need your help as I'm just a normal guy that supports my club, alone I don't have a voice but (with your help)
if I can get this out via media channels be it TV, Radio or the papers then it might just have a chance.

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I agree that we feel helpless and am sure the fans would go along with the plan. However I think the thought of assisting is great but wonder if the help would let CW off the hook. He has already used our money to buy the club, could this idea put him in a better position when this mess is resolved. The thought of giving that Charlatan one more penny makes my stomach turn.

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Good idea but would it not just be used to pay admin

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Any money collected will be taxed at 40% probably and it will only pay off creditors I'm sure

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Mate, you haven't even left a name and your text is all over the place. You expect people to trust you with money?

What about all the folk bursting the bank to get to the games. You'd be lucky to get half yor estimate.

Oranjeboom

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Well done m8 i feel the same need more guys like u

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Have you deducted tax from your numbers? hmm. A Tim.

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08 Mar 2012 20:34:08
can anyone tell me the rangers players refusing to the pay cuts

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Why should they take a cut some of these guys came from english clubs who paid high wages and lets be honest players are not there for the jersey now

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Not sure mate. A can see whittaker being one though. He only stayed for the money this season.

Dtp89

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08 Mar 2012 20:25:34
Heard that Norwich are thinking about signing Forster from Celtic, I toldthem a couple of weeks ago if there was no Rangers, the rest of Scottish football would suffer & their better players would want to leave etc, tell you what, they can have their jelly & ice cream, we can have champagne & strawberries LMFAO

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Who you going to get to pay for that then

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Stupid post from a stupid person who is clutching at straws as usual. He isn't even one of our better players and why give up a crack at champions league football to play for a mid table team with no chance of winning anything? Players will come and go from Celtic anyway if you lot go out the game so makes no difference. I think you should have more things to worry about than getting all excited about our keeper leaving which is total BS.

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Deal's in place pretty much for him to sign permanently for Celtic if both parties agree.

Try again.

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Celtic can buy him for £2m it was agreed back in August so I'm afraid it's all BS

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08 Mar 2012 20:19:42
hi ed, can you clarify the rules on minimum ticket allowance required to be given by rangers to away teams, reason i ask is every team bar celtic only get the small corner between the broomloan and govan fronts, what would stop us from giving celtic less tickets and let the whole 2000 or whatever have their party, can you clarify the rules, ta, WATP aye ready {Ed001's Note - there is a minimum allocation that have to be offered, most clubs turn it down and take less as they won't sell them. Celtic take the full allocation that have to be provided, so you can't give them any less than that unless they choose to not take up their full allocation.}

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Ever heard of tit for tat

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Why do you want to give them fewer tickets?

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08 Mar 2012 20:19:12
Last year rangers fans were flying as there club seemed to be going in a new direction with a new owner(how right they were ).Nowthey know how good david murray was to the club , but they wanted rid of him , i betthey wish he was still the owner instead of whyte . My point is without murray this wouldhave happened years ago .

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I think Murray was losing money in rangers mate, and I think it might have been his idea to bring whyte in to put us into admin to clear the debts. Things are looking scary now though. And regardless of what's going on here I would say yes, I agree with you. I was happier with Murray in charge. Aw well we'll just need to wait and see what happens.

Dtp89

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Mr annonymous, no rangers fan wanted murray out, HE wanted out. is it now obvious why i wonder ?? Hmm......

james rfc 1980

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08 Mar 2012 20:16:31
supposedly admin saying that whyte shyte might not be a secured creditor , emm im stuck so this means we can pump him as much as he has with us, also other spl clubs aint slow having meetings without us and celtic...... so we do need each other then i guess..............
craig+babybear

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08 Mar 2012 20:00:42
These administrators baffle me , they say today " very positive step forward" after a judge gives them 30th of march hearing about the 3.6 mill, well correct me if im
wrong but are we not going to be p!ssing liquidated by then
PaulRFC

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Paul the administrators appear to have settled very well in tune with the rangers way - no clarity at all

james rfc 1980

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That cash aint ours


TB

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08 Mar 2012 19:58:31
Couple of questions/points about Whyte & co.

This one is from the Clyde 1 phone in, before Whyte came in may rangers owed about 18m to lloyds after paying them back the last 2 years. If Whyte never went to rangers would this debt be a lot lower ? Also Whyte was the only person who put a serious offer to Murray/lloyds,did lloyds take it because they knew the tax case was this season ? Also is there not someone from D &F in some way a business partner to Whyte ? Like helped him with the take over bid ?

One more thing rangers owed 18m under Murray they now owe 24m to ticketed X million on PAYE & what ever else ?!

Ps fair play to the rangers playing staff for saying they are willing to take upto a 75% wage cut if no one else goes,but clearly the admin boys can't promise that think that shows some gratitude from them

What do the blue nose loyal think of the out come ? Make it by admin or down the tubes ?

Lenny

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08 Mar 2012 19:51:41
Tgere is a movement on twitter called @rangersunit. massive support its all about fan ownership a website is available from friday. Thisbis a well thought out proposal and is EXACTLY what we need but it needs the support of each and every one of us. Fan ownership the future in our hands. There is a url available with details of the proposal, it takes five minutes to read. well worth it, great cause.

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Better get your fingers out then. A Tim

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08 Mar 2012 19:49:51
My view is that the administrators are lining up the liquidation of Rangers within the next couple of weeks.

The main reason for my thinking on this timing is something I don't think the media have yet picked up on.

If Rangers were to survive until the end of the season their last league game would be on 12 May. If the club then went into liquidation following this, a newco would have to be up and running and ready to participate in lets say the SPL, by the end of July / beginning August (apologies I don't know the dates of next season's first league fixture). This would therefore only allow a period of two and a half months to form and a new club and have it participating in next season's league. I think that this would be virtually impossible.

I think the administrators realise there is absolutely no hope of the club being bought out of administration. The call for offers from prospective purchasers by the accelerated deadline of tomorrow is simply to establish that there are credible parties at the table who the administrators can work with going forward with a newco.

I think the administrators have now reached a point where they have decided that the best option for Rangers is for the club to be liquidated and a newco formed.

Liquidation now would be absolutely brutal, an extremely painful act for all Rangers supporters. However, the greater good is for the newco to be playing football next season, and to give the newco the best opportunity of doing this, the sooner liquidation takes place the better, allowing those who will run the newco that extra couple of months to get the club up and running.

For the newco not to be playing football next season could mean any newco struggling to get of the ground in future seasons.

Would be interested to hear the thoughts of other posters.

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I agree - I think a newco could have its challenges unless properly planned. It sounds like this is planned so it shouldnt be a worry. The spl teams are our biggest threat!

J

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Where will newco play?ibrox will be tied up in litigation?what league will they be in? what level of player will they have? lots to be answered

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J, original poster here.

I really don't think the other SPL teams will be a threat.

If a newco apply to join the SPL, it is the SPL board that make the decision and not the full twleve clubs.

The SPL board is made up of Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman), Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC), Derek Weir (Motherwell FC) and Steven Brown (St Johnstone FC).

If the SPL board do not vote for Rangers newco to be admitted to the SPL it will be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

It is very much in all their interests for Rangers newco, and also in the interests of Rangers newco to be part of the SPL.

I think you'll find Eric Riley of Celtic will be one of the biggest voices wanting Rangers newco in the SPL. I wouldn't pay any attention to what Peter Lawwell said in public. He could not say anything other than this. It was typical media trying to create a story. Celtic are a PLC and and other statement would be criticised by the stock markets.

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08 Mar 2012 19:48:15
when scotland get their independencee
e will spl teams want or be able t.o
join the premiereship

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When? No referendum needed then?

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Independence is of no relevance, the Scottish and English FAs are at present seperate associations so the situation would be no different.

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08 Mar 2012 19:44:05
Why are Rangers in trouble over the Fit and Proper rule as it is the SFA who determine who is fit and Proper according to article 10.2.
In the past only the person who puts himself forward is fined and banned
Who at the SFA is to blame for allowing him to take over, he should be fired as well

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Remember it only came out in October that Whyte had been banned as a director etc. Maybe the SFA should have ben more thorough but shouldn't Rangers have been more thorough too and done more homework on who was 'saving' the club?

After all, most of the fans welcomed Whyte with open arms and many on here were very critical of anyone who was sceptical or critical of him.

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Sfa have repeatedly asked for info on whytes takeover but were ignored alas rangers to blame {Ed001's Note - then they should have blocked any takeover until they got the information needed or there is no point having a fit and proper persons rule.}

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They kow towed to Rangers but now the sh1t has hit the fan everyone is blaming everyone else.

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08 Mar 2012 19:55:24
An insight into Celtic's future without Rangers, the other 10 SPL clubs are already plotting against them.

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Think you might find that they are plotting to vote against allowing the newco straight back into the spl

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08 Mar 2012 19:52:54
A Letter From America (us 2 u)
When u go will u send back,
The title to celtic park,
Take a look at the biscuit tin,
From fergus to dermot desmond,
Spl no more
Scottish cup no more
Europe no more
I wonder my green blood
Will u ever return
To help us kick life back
To a DYING mutual freind
Do we not love it
Do we not say WE LOVE IT
No more can u roam the world
To prove how POOR u r
When u go can u send back
The title to celtic park
Manchester no more
Hampden no more
Ibrox no more
Parkhead no more
54 titles no more
History no more
9 in a row no more
GLASGOW RANGERS NO MORE

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Haha mate that was sh*t

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Its rangers not glasgow rangers mate

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08 Mar 2012 19:42:23
rangers also owe outstanding bill from the purchase of bedoya.

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08 Mar 2012 19:39:00
In my opinion, if we do officially go into administration, think it could be better in the long run!
We will still finish second and qualify for Europe and go on a little money makin run, get a couple of top players in for next season and win the title back, things ain't so bad!!

Topblueboy watp

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Newsflash: you ARE officially in administration and have been for weeks!

I so hope you were being ironic or you've been on another planet since the middle of February.

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1st were officially in administration
2nd if were not out by the 31st of March we'll not be given a license to play in europe.

ryanrfc

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We already are officially in admin!Things ain't too bad? Where u bin bro?

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No sense whatsoever.

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We are in administration, what planet are you on. We cannot play in Europe next season because we won't get a licence whilst in administration. If we go int liquidation no Europe for three years and either in division three or a big points deduction for three years. Have you not read the papers or watch the telly

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Have you been living on the moon for the last three weeks???

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He has just got his head out of the sand.garlar07

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08 Mar 2012 19:35:39
As a Celtic fan I would have been gutted if some ov our players didn't take a wage cut, more so if they are celtic fans. For the likes the high earners like mcgregor and davies who are rangers fans they should be the ones who should be doing this for the club. It's not like the need the money! It is a perfect example of what football is like now. Also I would be gutted to see rangers go bust..... I love that fixture way too much.

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Well said that man. Anybody who declared he is a Rangers fan and is not prepared to help his club in its time of need is not a true Rangers fan. I will watch with interest what players are prepared to betray the club they claim to love. We the loyal fans have played our part in a way the players could never repay. All we asked in return was remembering when you wore that shirt you wore it for each individual who supported you. You have lived our dream, i hope your happy when your agent who is usually a Celtic fan moves you on.

Highland Bear

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08 Mar 2012 19:26:42
Dave King is NOT the saviour.

He is currently under a restraining order prohibiting him from dealing with realisable property (i.e businesses and assets) in the uk.

http://thecardonaldcourier.com/2012/03/07/court-order-concerns-over-rangers-director-kings-investment-plans/

The SARS (South African Tax man) is chasing him for over £100 million. Surely had enough shysters at Rangers for one lifetime?

Mac

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Its 250 mill actually

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You are in need of a good man with a BUNNETT

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08 Mar 2012 19:16:06
Listen all u hope rangers die squad , we will always be here , were always better than yous, we have better players ,better stadium better fans . get the message WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.

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Is this a message to elgin supporters??

oh dear

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Better at not paying your taxes loyalty to the crown but dont pay your way just keep the money that it supposed to go to your loyel crown yes thats one thine you are better at b

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Delusion is a dreadful affliction. I hope you seek proper medical assistance and feel better soon.

Dr Seuss

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So much better you threw away a 15 point lead...

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I think the proper grammar is WERE better. bye,bye. A Tim

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Enjoy your only trophy , the Loving Cup !

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08 Mar 2012 19:14:45
So, overall reading previous posts we have a consensus. Bears not prepared to pay for seats again if season tickets voided. There's loyalty for you.. same as the players, call themselves true blue, but push comes to shove no loyalty.

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You can't accuse someone of not being loyal if they have paid for a season ticket and can't afford to pay again for the games.

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08 Mar 2012 19:09:53
Ten SPL clubs will discuss change in Old Firm's absence

bbc website reporting that the ten none old firm teams are to meet to discuss changing the spl

the clubs will discuss the voting structure.
They will also consider the distribution of income and the possibility of a 10-club second tier.

surely the other teams in the spl cant actively exclude fellow members from meeting on such founding issues as this,

and if they do they cant actively force changes without it going to the vote by all 12 teams?

as if so rangers and celtic (who have done nothing wrong) will be denied there chance to vote on basic issue that will shape the league they play in,

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The point is the old firm wont play in the league

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The SPL is preparing itself for RFC's liquidation and keeping CFC out of it.

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This is one reason why Rangers and Celtic need each other

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08 Mar 2012 19:08:19
I know I will be slated for this but If we were liquidated, I would rather we didn't come back at all because we would be in the 3rd division with a terrible standard of player & low attendances, compared to what we've had. Everyone in the SPL are wanting us out, so I say if that's what you want, try to survive without us. I only cared about Scottish football because Rangers were part of it but if we're not, Scottish football can rot for all I care. Football is only a game & it doesn't put food on my table, put it this way I will get on with my life.

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God man..... How many times? Rangers cannot parachute into div 3!!! There are no rules in place for this to happen!!
It's either non existence or spl.... Unless rules changed to suit?!

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Ffs come wae me an paulrfc tae alloa an have a laugh enjoy yir mutton pie an bovril
f@ck succulent lamb an champagne
it will do us good,yes it will do us the fans the club....good....think long and hard about what i,m saying...i,m looking forward tae ma days oot tae the likes o alloa....or kiddin our sells oan in maribor?

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If refused entry to the SPL you would have to apply to the SFL,that would mean div3. 1st reply is nonsense. A Tom

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If we come back we are not Rangers 1872 so we are not Rangers. None of it would really matter anymore and yes I would get on with my life without Scottish football. Travel 400 miles for a home game at Ibrox so if I can't see my team I would cease supporting a club and reluctantly settle for watching a higher standard of football in the Premier League or Championship.

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The boss of the SFL has stated that " there is no mechanism for rangers to go into the 3rd division " , it would need a rule change

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08 Mar 2012 19:06:05
time to stand up and protest

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Did that not happen earlier after the calls to do so yesterday and this monring?

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08 Mar 2012 18:58:55
The majority of Gers wanted him and would have told the SFA/SPL to butt out if they had tried to say anything negative... as you did with others, the evidence was there for all to see if you wanted to see... BUT you wanted to believe that he was 'a billionaire with wealth off the radar' and Mr Keith Jackson should be holding his head in shame for helping to mislead the majority of the Gers fans in believing it... Sad but true.

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08 Mar 2012 18:56:27
had SFA being doing their job, while
taking the cash from the clubs then
they could have stopped SDM from
causing the problem.

Yes SDM is guilty and should have
managed the club. All his other
busineeses earned a fortune via RFC
association....and then walked away!
Any sign of a payback , a few million
to save the day?

CW was handed the task to
complete the clean up best he can.

Again SFA were asleep....
Their Job is to protect the Football
in Scotland....Failed big time...now
pay the price....toooo many fat cats...

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Thats rite blame someone else again white was the best thing since sliced bread when he came in now he has been found out he is a con man,so you would now have the blue knights take over the club and as they have failed you in the past that dose not matter as long as you save the club now,and when it happens in the future which it will (look at portsmouth) you blame someone else as they were not fit and proper to run a football club b

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08 Mar 2012 18:53:23
Muirs the man that opened the door at ibrox
for the scamsters tae get in

is llyods behind this?

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08 Mar 2012 18:42:08
llyods bank
donald muir
craig whyte

are scamming rangers football club

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08 Mar 2012 18:27:38
Dear Fellow Bears

Let's not be too despondent...just yet...about the SFA's ruling on CW and veiled threat of further action ring taken against the Club I.e. further points deduction.

In my opinion, any decent QC will be able to challenge the SFA and possible lodge a counter claim of gross negligence and incompetence by the country's governing football body....just like the late Paul McBride successfully did on bealf of them across the city.

I am very suspicious at how swiftly the SFA have both launched and concluded an investigation into CW's fit and proper status to own and run a football club. The SFA have long claimed their checks were thwarted by lack of co-operation from CW's legal advisors.

That therefore suggests the SFA will be able to produce dates of all correspondence between themselves and RFC/CW....including copies of all written correspondence and details of telephone conversations....which will support and sustantiate their claim they were hindered in competing their fit and proper person checks. That is the very first question Rangers lawyers should ask and demand to see evidence of.

Personally I believe the SFA may struggle to provide such evidence which would prove beyond any argument, they have attempted to compete this check PRE CW's takeover last May. In simple form, the SFA have now managed to complete an independent investigation and pass a ruling within less than 2 weeks when for the past 9 monts they coudn't. This does not stack up!

I believe there is good cause to challenge the SFA's ruling - NOT on CW...Christ, we all agree with that opinion - but to challenge any possible move to further penalise the Club. I think the right QC may actually prove the SFA are guilty of gross negligence and a failure to uphold their responsibilities as the governing body and association regulator.

Just a thought Bears but as we are seeing, the politics within the game are now in full swing... and there are enough people on the SFA Board who have an interest and/or persoal motivation in seeing RFC suffer greater pain.....but it may just be this particular attempt to pealise RFC further by the SFA may come back to haunt them and show the SFA up for their OWN failings.....

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Nonsense post. We all know he does not meet the fit and proper person test. Re the other matter, it is a fact that we owe Dundee united money. None of this is the fault of the sfa- none of it is open to challenge. It is an ex law lord who carried out the investigation, not rocket science for him.

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Rangers submitted a list of their directors,they said whyte had not been disqualified thats why rangers are being punished. A Tim

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Main poster - agree with you.
SFA quick enquiry and they can conclude him 'not fit and proper' when they couldn't complete or were hindered when CW was moving into Ibrox. What checks did they carry out for the enquiry?
Would like to see what correspondence or offers were made by Administrators(RFC) to Dun Utd re a repayment plan as you would think that the Administrators contacted not only Dunfermline but also Hearts and Dun Utd(with Dun Utd being under the SFA cos it was a cup game). Think it is reasonable for this info to be made available.

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08 Mar 2012 18:12:30
do the sfa not carry out a fit and proper persons test? this could be partly their fault for letting this wan%er in


ryanrfc

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You had the sfa on your wage bill, that is why this happened and let him walk right in. sfa have let yous get the better of things over the years. To blame them is to blame yourselves, look at blaming your former legends of the club for they have failed you and Scotland/Scottish football a change is needed for the better and for whats right.

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08 Mar 2012 18:08:42
thanks SFA we really dodged a bullet there imagine if you hadn't done you job at the time and we had apointed Whyte a chairman that might not have ended well for us at all!

SFA=JOKE

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Rangers were so desperate if they had blocked him it would have been an injustice,face it all off the problems caused by Rangers themselves,take your medicine like a big boy

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Yous seem to forget between the fans and press yous all cheered this guy in the door, Dont you think Murray should have known or the bank. Had the SFA blocked it yous would have rounded on them due to the train of thought that this guy was loaded.

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08 Mar 2012 18:07:13
Seriously WTF is going on?? The SFA
carry out an investigation and
find that CW
is not fit and proper to run a club.....
No S*#t Shelrlock's! Maybe if the useless
SFA had bothered their fat lassy ass's to
check CW out before he took over the
club, Rangers might not be in the mess
their in just now. So maybe the SFA
should charge themselves with bringing
the game into disrepute

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Forget about the SFA look closer to home why did Murray sell to him and although every fan in Scotland could see he was an asset stripper all the bears spouted in Craig Whyte we trust

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Get aff the juggernot - everyone in scotland knew about CW, so you friggin did.

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08 Mar 2012 18:05:42
why are rangers fans on here calling sky sly & fly i dont understand it it aint skys fault we are in this mess some people live sad lifes


TB

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Many football fans of different clubs (and I'm sure many others) refer to it as such because it's a horrible company which is liberal with the truth and run by a horrible little man.

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Mate if it wasnt for sky english and scottish fitba wid be fecked its that simple its a joke an gers fans have only started to refer it 2 as such since the last month on here

TB

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Why are you so bothered? Sky's days are numbered anyway - ESPN are lurking and internet streaming is the future. I'm sure Sky isn't going to mind being called Sly etc. And it's true - a horrible company with a horrible owner.

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08 Mar 2012 17:59:35
What about the photo off craig whyte on the bbc scotland website..check out those eyes.

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08 Mar 2012 17:54:21
ive been reading all the posts on here for some time ,take out what dm has done to us which we still have not been found guilty for yet ,cw walked in bought our club with our money sold off the tickets and the kitchen contracts stole money from us didnt pay the paye and vat and a tax bill that he promised to ,he now stands to make millions by getting control of ibrox and murry park ,and hes planning on using it for events and we will play at hampden ?how did this man get away with doing this ,he dosnt look bright enough to do it on his own ,weve been conned from the start when will it f ing end

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Who says he will get away with it if what you say is true then every rangers fan should make it impossible for him to hold venues at ibrox 40 000 fans standing at entrances should stop anyone from getting in

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Yeh like thats gonna happen, people travelling from all over Scotland and NI to stand at the turnstiles to a Beyonce gig.

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That would be a criminal offence to prevent people from entering to see a gig. Dilemma...

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Great thats a criminal offence . What is happening to our club is a criminal offence but i dont see murray or whyte being held accountable . When is the law of the land going to hold these people accountable . It is staggering on a daily basis what has happened to our club . Lloyds bank, started this mess demanding payment of the loan , murray sold to a spiv who has transferred money all over the place to make sure Rangers run out of time to rescue themselves, leaving himself assets,
with every day the situation gets even worse with our friends in the sfa, spl, finding more ways to inflict death by 1,000 cuts . 2 men and accomplices are guilty of this, they remain above the law while a football institution is allowed to bleed to death. Rangers will survive make no mistake , our Rangers family will ensure that , all our enemies look over your shoulder we will be back , you will never put us down .

Highland Bear

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You put yourselves down.garlar07

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Nothing illegal has been done to Rangers. Immoral but not illegal. Well, nothing we know of.

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08 Mar 2012 17:45:19
Hi ed sfa are really clever not fit + proper to run a club a would not let that c**t run down ma street the guy is a maniac totally killed us off as for duff + phelps enough said about that 2 why is it ed rangers to face charges charge murry he sold the club to him this whole farce stinks ... Kenny bluenose {Ed001's Note - because they did it in the name of the club and they knew better than to accept any kind of responsibility for their actions.}

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08 Mar 2012 17:40:27
Shocked and stunned!! Craig whyte deemed unfit, well blow me never seen that coming. It's about time we locked the gates and gave the keys to the new owners, this saga has gone on long enough. The only people making money out of this are duff and phelps, craigy boy and the media.

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Craigy boy owns duff and phelps

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08 Mar 2012 17:33:27
Y not pledge to fill out dundee united against celtic,help untarnish clubs name

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Wouldn't cross the road to watch them 2 teams never mind pay in.

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08 Mar 2012 17:31:00
i still believe CW will pull the rabbit out the bag.
he is the master of deception, everyone is looking the wrong way and BOOM, he will produce a wee fluffy green and whyte rabbit!
I am telling ye all lads!

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He cant pull a rabbit out of an hat,but maybe he could pull a hair out of his hole, garlar07

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08 Mar 2012 17:21:17
To me it looks like Paul Murray is a posh Craig whyte, he stated last time why would any1 buy a club with a big tax case hanging over it, now he wants to buy them? Something seriously dodgy about that?

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Maybe he is saying he will buy rangers so that any other potential buyers will step in. not sure but it dose look dodgy mate SW

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08 Mar 2012 17:02:16
Craig Whyte found to be a Not Fit & Proper Person by SFA investigation, it took them this length of time to figure this out, every gers fan could have told them that before any report was produced. Source BBC website.

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08 Mar 2012 17:00:36
SFA rule Whyte not a fit and proper person to be running rangers and you must pay dundee utd their cash NOW. also you will be facing a charge of bringing the game into disrepute. why dont you just shut the shop now,its getting ridiculous. A Tim.

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08 Mar 2012 16:59:22
Time to get our acts together and take the future of the club into our own hands. Get pledging.

saverangers.com

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I think mr sheen gives you a better finish. A Tim.

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08 Mar 2012 16:57:31
hi ed what is the punishment of not being a fit and proper person to own a football club what r the outcomes and will this change anything {Ed001's Note - I have no idea, normally the point of this test is to stop them taking control of a club in the first place. If someone fails the fit and proper person test they are blocked from buying it, I have never known anyone to buy it then a couple of months later be found unfit to own it! This will be breaking new ground I believe and the punishment will be down to the SFA/SPL to decide.}

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Ye make rules as thay go fk bams {Ed001's Note - not really, the rule is in place, it has just never had to be applied afterwards before.}

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Well Ed if the rules are in place then it would be normal for the action to be taken also to be in place should be interesting what the outcome is , thank goodness capital punishment was done away with, yes for CW but not the club

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Obviously the sfa/spl didnt do their job right in the 1st place, so who will take blame for that ? Bit of belated arse covering being done

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08 Mar 2012 16:54:31
Sfa have now said Craig whyte is not a fit and proper person to run our great club thank god now the sfa have now stepped in surely he will end up with all debt tied to us and we will be back on top again after Craig whyte packs up and gets wat he deserve the jail up the road lol

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No lol.he still owns 85% of rapidly becoming useless shares. A Tim

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Shares are worthless , RFC cant trade shares .

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08 Mar 2012 16:53:42
Sfa twistin knife,what a state cant even pay dundee united,

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Yip once again its not our fault its the sfa its the tax man its dundee utd

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08 Mar 2012 16:53:41
if these guys are administrators
surely by now they must have some sort of accounts that could be used for
auditoring purposes.

also the fact that these guys are
also auditors can they not sign off
these accounts if a buyer can be
agreed before the March deadline.

or is this not correct

clubdeck siren

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No.its a load of rubbish.your accounts cant be signed off cos of the state your in. A Tim

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Unfortunately rangers accounts are useless as you cant account for anything with any value .

ticket sales sold
pies sold
club shops sold
supporters sold up the river

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08 Mar 2012 16:49:06
Craig whyte is found not to be fit and proper.person to run a football club, by the sfa panel.but what happens now?still more.questions than answers.

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08 Mar 2012 16:48:06
Rangers facing charge of bringing the game into disrepute. Lmao it just gets better

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08 Mar 2012 16:45:52
Whyte declared not a fit person

NO 5HIT SHERLOCK

thank god Scottish football is in your hands mr Doncaster nothing gets by you

Wounded Bear

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Its the SFA ya plank, not the SPL.

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08 Mar 2012 16:44:39
In a statement, Scottish FA chief executive Stewart Regan said: “I can confirm that the Scottish FA convened a Special Board Meeting at Hampden Park today to discuss the findings of the Independent Inquiry into Rangers FC, prepared by the Chair, The Right Honourable Lord William Nimmo Smith.

"Principally, it is the belief of the Board, taking into account the prima facie evidence presented today, that Mr Craig Whyte is not considered to be a Fit and Proper person to hold a position within Association Football.

"We will be writing to Mr Whyte in relation to those findings and shall seek a response within seven days.

"The report submitted by Lord Nimmo Smith, having been considered fully by the Board, highlights a number of other potential rule breaches by the club and its owner. The report will now be used as evidence and forwarded to a Judicial Panel for consideration and determination as per the protocol.

"As such, the report’s contents will not be published at this time. Nevertheless, I can confirm that the club is facing a charge of bringing the game into disrepute."

The Scottish FA also confirmed it would not be making comment on allegations of the non-disclosure of payments to players, saying it would await the verdict of a separate Scottish Premier League investigation in the matter.

STV {Ed001's Note - what I don't understand is why the investigation was not conducted prior to the takeover? Surely that is the point of a fit and proper persons test??}

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08 Mar 2012 16:42:54
The Scottish Football Association has said the club's owner Craig Whyte is "not considered to be a Fit and Proper person to hold a position within Association Football".

Source: BBC

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08 Mar 2012 16:41:35
whyte declared "not fit or proper" person to be running a football club. but what now? does this change anything?

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08 Mar 2012 16:28:12
Mr Whyte
you have spat in the faces of the people who did not come home that fateful new years day game

and i hope you sleep well

F@ck you
F@ck the horse you rode in on

........les

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"F@ck the horse you rode in on"

There are laws against that . Don't you like guys on horses ?

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Was it a whyte horse by any chance?

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Whyte a carpet baggin BARSTEWARD..LES

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I hear that the tims are re-writing history so much that seemingly king billy got beat because of the ebt,s....les

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" king billy "

Do you like his horse , les ?

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No,but by the fit an proper rule,bit late tho, lol garlar07

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08 Mar 2012 16:12:04
I still don't think liquidation will happen, but if it did and we came back under a new name we could simply be called GRFC(Glasgow Rangers Football club) because right now we are called RFC the glasgow in the name which we often get referred to by teams outwith scotland is not part of our offical name!

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The name Glasgow Rangers Football Club can not be used, as a person in london has bought the copyright for that name and three uther similer names.

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Using the name Rangers might attract a legal case for monies owed pre liquidating.The creditors can pursue payments if there is a belief that the company has folded just to avoid payments. Where are they gonna play? Ibrox? very close to the same team,the hampden rumour might have some truth to it. Also,Ibrox may well be dismantled to sell on for creditor payments

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You lapped up the winning years paying and paying top players and you taunted celtic fans saying they were skint and cant afford good players,now you come on these pages and say the tims is lapping this up and they should know how it feel but they dont care well what do you expect ,we had our white knight ride into town wearing a bunnett your blue knights have not got the bus fair

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When Farsley Celtic were liquidated they were not allowed to use the "Celtic" part - they are now Farsley Town .

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08 Mar 2012 16:10:25
Posted on here a few weeks ago about all posts on here being labeled as either a Timmy posting or it being ridiculed. This is a RUMOUR site, nothing more. Wish people would get a grip and understand that not one person on here knows the truth about the future of the club or anything. I mean look at the past ownership and how we were all duped by the previous owners about financial affairs and contractual agreements. Sorry but it's sickening and embarrassing how most of the replies to a rumour are degraded by so called fans looking to take their anger out on anything they can. If people want to complain, go chap Murray's door and ask him what he's been playing at

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08 Mar 2012 15:50:17
Just heard bill gates is gonna save rangers! My source wee dude in queen street, he later asked me for a pound for the being the 1st to know that news! This is a RUMOURS website! It's all rumours no facts until the have been stated on every news channell

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" Just heard bill gates is gonna save rangers! "

Check the battery in your hearing aid .

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08 Mar 2012 15:22:38
Craig Whyte. Smart move that....living in a Castle. Suggest you raise the drawbridge, drop the portcullis, fill any moat with both water and crocodiles and make ready the boiling oil ? Just suggesting.

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Heard of somethin called a helicopter
AndyBear98

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Bit harsh it not all his fault what about murray plus every one knew whyte was dodgy but rangers fans didnt want to hear about it

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08 Mar 2012 15:18:11
Can someone find some evidence based on fact that Platinisation changed the rules which would have allowed a club based in one country, playing in the league of another. Maybe my Google skills are not the best, but I can't find anything which would substantiate this. If you do find anything, please post the link ? Thanks. {Ed001's Note - try UEFA's site and look at the laws of the game on there, there is a handbook in pdf form, though it is not a good read!}

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Jeeze,will you guys give it up!

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Just a point cardiff play in the epl- and Berwick play in Scotland so can be done.

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The rules have changed - Cardiff, Swansea and Berwick are not examples Rangers can follow.

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08 Mar 2012 15:13:11
where to queens park get moved to then? thought hampden was their home ground?

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08 Mar 2012 15:02:33
Walter smith became a hero be winning 9 in a row beating no one, do you think when Neil Lennon wins 10 in a row he will get the same praise?

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He'll never do it - got the Jambos to contend with!

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Err,lets see if you get to keep your 9 in a row,lets face it you aint gonna have much else. A Tim.

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Never going to happen .the league wont last if we go 2 wall ,more clubs will go 2

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No they won't, they'll just budget accordingly for life without Rangers.

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08 Mar 2012 14:56:30
Celtic fans can gloat all they like about us going under but if we do then 10yrs down the line when they have a team the standard of Dunfermline they will not be so smug. You need us, we need you. Simple as.

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In 10 years time Celtic will still be Celtic .
In 10 years time RFC will be a distant memory

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Be great finding out.enjoy obscurity. A Tim

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08 Mar 2012 14:49:26
I think we are looking at this wrong... I don't think whyte wanted Duff and Phelps because they would work for his interest directly, I think he wanted them
because they are the dumbest f£ck!ng administrators on the face of planet earth
PaulRFC

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I do agree that there going around the whole administration embargo a bit strange but i do agree with the way there trying to sell the club and looking into the take over of craig whyte. its the court that's in charge of the administrators so if anything dodgy going on am sure they will pick up on it mate. SW

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23 days theyve been at ibrox,how much have they saved....bet its less than theyve earned....im hearing that 4 players have refused to take 75% wage cuts...2 of them are injured and the other 2 are high earners,take a guess folks.

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The administrators are doing what the law says,trying to keep the place open so creditors get the full amount owed.Only problem is the big tax case will kill you off. A Tim

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08 Mar 2012 14:36:45
Can anyone say in all honesty that they will continue to follow the club if we are liquidated and become a new company playing under a new name? I for one am not sure I would have the same affections for the club and I do not know if I will fill in my renewal form if this happens.

Thoughts and honest opinions?

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Obviously it will take time to get used to it having supported rangers fc all my life. but if it came to it i would still support our club yes. SW

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If Craig whyte has anything to do with it then no chance, I won't have anything to do with new rangers if we don't start in 3rd div we need to be punished the same way every other team would be.

P.S. can't believe Mr tight was the last man to unveil a championship flag at ibrox.

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Of course we will support a new co... your obvisoily not a rangers fan if you dont

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A agree with you m8 will not be the same ... Kenny bluenose

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The team will be called rangers, play in the same ground, wear blue shirts, trophy room will house the same trophies and memories, the support will still be the same etc. The company name will be different but 2012 after the name on a letter head isnt the end fo the world surely. I for one will still buy a season ticket and head along to see my team with my son to see them play in the best stadium in the world sat in amonght the best supporters in the world.

We will be back as strong as before, no doubt.

Govan Front Lifelong Supporter

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If club is liquidated and new one rises from the ashes i for 1 will be following them. no matter what the new team is called it will always be rangers fc in my mind and probably in most other rangers fans also.

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I have been following my beloved rangers for more than 40 years now im afraid if the club dies a part of me dies too also my interest in football dies i will wish any newco all the best and will encourage my grandchildren to support them but for this old dog IM RANGERS TILL I DIE.

Wounded Bear

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It would still be rangers, memories remain and history you create so why would you not support them

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What type of question is this...we took the good times and must take the bad..if ur thinking of not supprting then u were never a rangers fan in first place...

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Your club needs you..........les

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Clearly not a Rangers fan? Don't talk s**te..If the club goes into liquidation then everything goes, the name the history everything that all true Rangers fans have watched at Ibrox. Yeah there might be a new team playing in blue, playing at Ibrox but it is not the Rangers FC who have been around for 140 years so I for one will struggle to support the newco team as it is not MY RANGERS!!

The Pilot!

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Ref
Of course we will support a new co... your obvisoily not a rangers fan if you dont

dont you dare come on here and tell me im not a real Rangers fan i have supported rangers for over 40 years 22 years as a season ticket and you have the audacity to tell me if i dont support a newco in not a real fan well my friend i have never looked at myself as a rangers fan as a fan sits his fat a55 down and watches the team on telly reads about the team in the paper a supporter which i class myself as gets of his fat a55 and goes to the games buys his shirt his program his pie and bovril as i said i will not be supporting any newco but hats of to those who do. as the song goes IM RANGERS TILL I DIE not im newco till i die so please think before you let your fingers do your talking

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If you support newco you are NOT a rangers fan , you're a newco fan . If you're a rangers fan you will not have a team to support . You will be walking away from an extinct club to support newco . If newco resembles rangers , HMRC will want paid as it will be a Pheonix company .
If you want to remain a rangers fan, you're going to have to head to Berwick as they will be the only rangers in the SPL/SFL .

As for " newco " it's not much of a name . Any suggestions ?

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They may not even have rangers in the new name. if there are substantial debt,and HMRC and other creditors feel the liquidation was to avoid paying,they will take you to court for a continuation of payments. govan utd? ha ha.

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I was honestly thinking the same thing. I totally understand exactly what you are saying, it will feel different, very different. In fact I think it will feel like a different club altogether. What will only change those feelings is winning. However we will have this in our face now for the rest of time from Celtic.

The truth for me is it will not be the same ever again. This has all yet to sink in for most of us and when it does it will be very very hard to shake of the shame.

What is really sad is that not one of us wanted this, not one of the fans asked to have this done yet it's our money that has been wasted and now stolen. Outside companies have acquired ownership of key revenue, the club is going to be completely different.

GDog
WATP

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08 Mar 2012 14:07:48
Where, oh where has all the money gone?
Jelavic transfer money and balance of Ticketus money nowhere to be found.
Has it been put in some safe haven to mysteriously re-appear when newco is formed?
Mystery 250K donated to Non-league English team that they claim never to have seen?
And what about Pritchards. Where did their clients money go?
Why does Craig Whyte seem so untouchable?
Hapless fool or criminal genius?

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He's a criminal genius. His castle is going up for sale. He will remove all his assets from UK jurisdiction and will take Rangers for everything leaving them down the tubes.

You Rangers supporters need to call in the police.

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To the above reply we have

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08 Mar 2012 13:44:05
I am absolutely flumoxed. I dont
understand all the legal jargon, all
I know is that there are dirty
dealings going on and as fans we
are completely left in the dark.

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08 mar 2012 13:38:36
guys no more stupid posts about when we start up again and that we will always be rangers.
no more stupid posts about joining the third tier of english football.
no more stupid posts about anything to do with celtic.
lets just concentrate on the fact that we wont exist if we dont try something.
have read all the posts about organising protests,and how we can do this and do that but none of these will save the club.
leaving aside the chance that someone might be prepared to buy the club and thats a big might we can if we are serious do one thing that wont guarantee survival but might just offer that chance,but it will cost what ever you donate as you might end up losing it,but you know what it is a cance i am prepared to take.
we need four million to get to the end of the season,and i see the end of the season as our best chance of survial in terms of affording everyone time to sort out this entire mess.
by that i mean perhaps the results of the ebt the investigation by the sfa and sfl etc etc
we do not have the time to wait any longer some how we need to get a message to the administartors that the required four million might be found if the rangers support are told that if this sum can be raised it will be used to solve the shortfall till the end of the season.
in pledging this cash what ever each individual can afford i hope i am right when i say that i feel sure that all true ranger supporters would donate as much possible to retaining the name of the club,and most importantly would do so in the knowledge that it was a gift and no conditions would be attached. in order for this to get of the ground i realise we need a figurehead but perhaps even more important is the need to get this message to the administrators and also paul murray so with this in mind can you (ed as i really believe that this might be the last chance for the ranger supporters to make sure the club dooes not die can you please advise just how this message can be relayed to these parties) {Ed001's Note - the administrators have contact details on their website, no idea how you would get hold of Murray though, sorry.}

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Paul Murray has talked the talk,why does his consortium not pick up the tab as things progress?This would ,i am sure,satisfy the law regarding administration.This would get Rangers through till the season end,then a full restructure could take place.They would then be in a position to see the light at the end of the tunnel.The big tax bill might hit,but it can be dealt with by selling players and a share issue for fans.Seems to me this guy likes the limelight a bit too much.

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FFS don't you realise the size of the current liabilities notwithstanding the big tax case. Whyte is still the major shareholder. Why in gods name would anyone pay off 25m to be hit later with a 50m bill and go back into admin. you need to get your head out of yer bum mate.

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08 Mar 2012 13:29:49
To the administrators dont think about trying to turn the fans againts the players nd dont rush the takeover of whoever wants us we want nd need someone who will run us proper ndif its Paul Murray I WILL give him a chance w.a.t.p

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08 Mar 2012 13:26:22
soursce espn

Meanwhile, Duff and Phelps today [Thursday] continued action in the High Court in London in a bid to recover more than 3million pounds from a solicitors' account.

"There is a risk that the club will fail to fulfil its fixtures," said Mark Phillips QC, for Rangers' administrators Duff and Phelps.

"There is a risk that the club could go into liquidation and be demoted by the Scottish League, which would eliminate any realistic prospect of a sale of the club for any sum worthwhile to creditors."

Mr Phillips gave Mr Justice Warren details of the dangers facing Rangers at a hearing in the Companies Court, during the latest round of litigation in the wake of the club's financial crisis.

Administrators want to secure 3.6million pounds which was held in an account belonging to club owner Craig Whyte's London-based solicitors.

Mr Phillips said administrators thought the sum would make a "significant contribution" to the survival of the club.

But the judge was told that a number of other organisations - including tax authorities - had staked a claim on chunks of that cash.

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Unsurprisingly 2 of them owned by whyte lol

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08 Mar 2012 13:24:13
This disaster puts things into perspective with some of the hatred shown towards Neil Lennon. He never single handedly tried to destroy our beloved club

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Once again someone finds a way to bring Neil Lennon into it.

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08 Mar 2012 13:19:42
some of the pure and utter rubbish and lies that you read on here are unbelievable,,go back to visiting www.windaelickersrus.com and leave us TRUE blues alone

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Want a Kleenex , mate ?

Goodnight Dodo FC , extinction awaits .

jimi88

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08 Mar 2012 13:14:30
Have seen posts on here where someone suggested that all those supporters in fancy cars etc must have enough money to be able to pledge the required four million to see ou through till the end of the season,and the replies BUT while the messge perhaps related to a few guys with money the point that should not be overlooked is that if it is four million to tide us over till the end of the season AND that allows the administrators and potential buyers
to find a solution to the problem,and one major issue is
time,then if Rangers Supporters who are genuine and the Three main fan organisation are genuine plus the pledges made via the Save rangers campaign i would su

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I will not give my money to any Rangers that still has Whyte as the main shareholder, the administrators main job is to get the best deal for the creditors and they have not come out as yet and said that Whyte is not the main one, so logically the might still be working on his behalf. Even I'd we are still in existence next season I will not renew my season tickets if he is connected with the club in anyway whatsoever. He is not solely responsible I know but he will not get another penny from. E.

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08 Mar 2012 13:03:43
Ah well no decision on the destination of the 3 and a half million until the 4th April at the earliest, I am afraid that that is to late to save our still great club, we need a buyer now. Come on all you millionaire businessman supporters step up to the plate and show us the colour of youre money or else we are doomed.

Gus

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You don't do walkin away but begging ? thats ok

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08 Mar 2012 12:54:02
Please tell me no one on this site actually believes anyone is at present interested in purchasing rangers football club? Lets pretend for a minute they are not a football club......any person who has the mone to "buy" over rangers would obviously be an intelligent, successful individual with astute business acumen (assuming this based on the fact they have some spare millions to invest in Rangers). What intelligent business man would invest ANY of his own money which could then be almost instantaneously away by HMRC when the big Tax Bill Hits? Forgetting the Big Tax Case, lets talk about the 9Million pounds owed in PAYE to the HMRC, the several million owed to clubs around the UK, the 10 Million a year negative deficit which the club is still running with and ask yourself, free of emotion clouding your judgement, would you invest your money? To Further back this up......Look at the likely outcome of the doncaster report, Rangers are almost a certainty to be penalised massively for the inclusion of ineligible players in some 200 SPL League games. It is likely that rangers will be stripped of any rewards gained whilst ineligible players were fielded, this will include league points, Cups etcetc. So again ASK yourself who is going to invest in a team who will likely NO be in the SPL, will almost certainly be banned from Europe and who will be penalised for the majority of their wrong doings. Im sorry Rangers fans, but the masons at the top of the SPL cant help you here.....UEFA is watching.

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Put forward quite a strong argument until your comment at the end showed you up for what you really are, small minded and a PATHETIC T**T

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Well Ambramovich is a billionaire who invested in a club not for financial gain but as a hobby, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan bought man city not for financial gain but for a hobby i know no billionaire is going to buy Rangers but i thought i would just blow holes in your silly uneducated post

Wounded Bear

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Masons huh? Well lets say a consortium come in and they can agree a cva. Now that cva is part with HMRC. They would get almost nothing from a liquidated company but get partial monies due from a cva. So any intelligent business man would know what they are getting into if that can be agreed, they would make an assumption that we would lose the tax case and work on that. obviously being in a better position if we were to win. We would have major loss of earnings starting in the third division. so it would be about staying up. Again I just cant get over that idiotic masons quote.
Don

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You start with 'let's pretend for a minute they are not a football club'
then proceed to talk football?
Didn't know there were masons at the top of the SPL. Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman), Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC), Derek Weir (Motherwell FC) and Steven Brown (St Johnstone FC).
But maybees the masons in the Vatican City might help out.
Black Balled!

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Where did this myth that HMRC get almost nothing? everything will be sold to pay the creditors,ibrokes may even be dismantled(metals at an all time high)leaving NEWCO to find a ground(the hampden rumour?) be very afraid

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08 Mar 2012 12:46:52
In all serious regardless if we are able to stay afloat up until the Celtic game i think the game should be rearranged till nearer the end of the season. we are well aware that the probable outcome of this game would be celtic thumping us and winning the league at ibrox. we all seen how the Celtic fans behaved when we won the league at Celtic Park and as we all know this could possibly be the last game Rangers as we know them plays there. i honestly think the behavior of celtic fans at the above mentioned game will be like a child throwing a tantrum compared what i foresee happening at ibrox. yes Celtic have the right to brag and stick it to us under normal circumstances but lets not kid ourselves these are not normal circumstances and emotions are really running high i think there will be an element of our support as well as an element of Celtic support hell bent on trouble and i fear normal level headed fans will get caught up in all this and i really fear for peoples safety. as i said before celtic deserve their bragging right but at what cost the price could be someones life there is a time and place for bragging and this particular game is not the time or place Wounded Bear

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Got to agree mate, as a Celtic fan there is a large part of me looking forward to the game, but think there could be trouble of some description. No matter who wins.

Joeshmo1888

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08 Mar 2012 12:19:18
This whole Saverangers thing is the biggest waste of time and energy you could get.Why ,when action is needed, is a website set up?All these Rangers supporters groups should be ashamed of themselves.This should have been done on a face to face basis.Im sure rangers would have given facilities for this.Say over two full days(8am-10pm),pledges and details could have been taken from genuine parties.Anyone living to far away to appear in person could have written in with their pledge and details.after adding up the money pledged,providing it was significant,an account could have been set up and money deducted from their account.Two advantages would be,no hoaxers on a website,and speed of the cash being available. Supporters trust? dont make me laugh. No idea how to represent real fans

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Good post and on supporters groups they haven't exactly being doing much. Heard John McMillan last night saying"Rangers supporters wen't complaining when they were winning things" Listen mate we get enough of this c**p off everyone else without one of our own mouthing off. I'm sure if Murray had asked will we sign Gazza and Van Bronkhurst and kill the club off in 2012? Don't think many of us would have been happy with that.. Also why is no one asking Hod It & Dod it.. if saving money is essential why did they want to put Cousin's 30k a month in the mix.
Can we not just get to liquidation tomorrow and start afresh!

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And what are you doing to help the club? I think its a good idea and people are demonstrating how much they could pledge. This is designed to ensure the fans are ready to move once the chance for a fan ownership scheme becomes available behind the blue knights or other consortium. one fans from Oz pledged £1m! see this link with pic - https://www.saverangers.com/#tab_2

we need everyone to get involved.

J

J

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Ur full of great ideas arent u well done for waiting till now hate to be sarcastic with a fellow Ger but come on dont moan at the supporters groups still have to make sure where the money would even go to!
Larky Bear

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They all couldn't agree on the colour of s**te. I wouldn't trust any of them with my money.

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Therte are various colours of s..te though. If you continue to see various colourings, best bet is to report to a doctor asap, just to be on the safe side.

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08 Mar 2012 12:13:05
Rangers are a laughing stock. Unfortunately that has resulted in Scotland being dragged through the mud on news reels the world over

Do the right thing now rangers. Fall on your sword and save scotland further embarrassment

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The name Rangers might be a laughing stock in your eyes,but lets get fact right the people who are responsible are David Murray (no Sir) doea not deserve it and of course the recent Crook Craig Whyte, It is both of them who are totally responsible for this mess not those of us who have followed the club for many years. By all means have a go at what has happened but lets make it clear that the name of the club has been shamed by two particular individuals who had overall control via their shareholding,and it is time that people such as them are held accountable for their actions.

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So one member of your family does some bad deeds and the rest of your family are all guilty/dont think so but i guess if that was the case given how society works the public would blame you all. Totally wrong the ordinary fan did not demand that we did not pay our taxes etc. When people in power such as David Murray or Craig Whyte can cause as much damage as these two have done it is time the Law (even if it is too late for Rangers fc) was changed to hold these people accountable.

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I didn't say the fans are to blame I didnt say they are the laughing stock

I said RANGERS are a laughing stock and I believe that to be true

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Scotland being dragged through the mud the world over.................ive told you a million times no to exagerate

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Like the rest of the footballing world gives a toss about a footballing backwater like us. They don't/won't give a sh*te what happens here.

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08 Mar 2012 11:50:16
ticketus and craig whyte to start making noises
wait and see its all a big scam,were going to be left wae craigy as our owner...you could,nt make it up

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I said this earlier. I have it on go od authority CW wanted this all along.

Although he wont own our club.........
he will own new rangers.

just like airdrieonians became nothing and airdrie utd came around....

we are gonna be the same.
i bet we still get to fifty titles before celtic hehe


0 and counting but we will be back...
with dignity!

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Did Airdrie Utd not take Clydebank's place? Different scenario, slightly, I think.

1903

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Would you support a team owned by craig white?

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The new Airdrie bought Clydebank and therefore in doing so maintained the membership in the League.
The new Airdire moved stadiums from Clydebank to where there are now.

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But the new airdrie utd are not airdrieonians.....their history started the day they bought clydebank...............................

or do the new airdrie have all of clydebank history?

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08 Mar 2012 11:45:52
Merchant Turnaround is one of CW's- he apparently resigned his directorship and is retained as company secretary - so he is after the money. Cant find anything online re: jerome/gerome pension group which makes me think he is linked to it also. Unless the b.....d has not paid the superannuation for his rangers employees - he didnt pay their tax/ni so that is a strong possibility. Think the only certain thing from the High Court is that CW wants that money so any good hearted souls out there who held on to the hope that he had a plan to save us and this was all part of it must surely now see the truth - another sad sad day in what has been over 3 weeks of sad days.

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08 Mar 2012 11:42:39
Just a wee thought instead of talking about
protests why don't all us season ticket holders
take our season tickets to the ticket office and offer
to pay 20-25 pounds for match day tickets possible 5
at Ibrox to end of season ,to help put money into club
WE LOVE between us we can keep our club alive its
not to much to ask as we would've paid for cup tickets
anyway R.T.I.D

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You can't keep asking fans to bail the club out with money. Most fans are struggling as it is. Why should they pay twice. I agree you should help where you can but there needs to be a point where you say stop.

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08 Mar 2012 11:28:12
Rusty the tim here!if I put my name forward to see if cw is due me anything I think there's a good chance il become a creditor as well!lol what a mess your once proud club is in.all I here we can't go to the wall etc but do use not realise that use haven't been paying yout taxes!!!!we've got brave men and woman over in these war torn countries (right or wrong) they haven't got a choice fighting for our safety and they haven't got a good pair of boots between them for they haven't any money because of people like cw etc in charge of a massive company not paying there way. Some rangers fans need to realise rangers are a company and by not getting run right are causing job loses and it affect every1 far and wide.forget about being proud and get your house in order and look after your employes even if that means living on a smaller budget etc and go the great Glasgow Celtic way!!hail hail rusty the tim

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To Rusty the Tim
Rangers supporters do know that we should pay our taxes so try and talk some sense.
The bit about having to put our house in order is correct so you got that bit right,but while people like Murray and Whyte squirrel away money ordinary Joe punter cannot be held accountable,it should be the law that deals with these crooks,and dont forget you had a complete board of directors that also were the cause of you being minutes away from closure.

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Totally agree mate about taxes and where the money should be spent. but was it not your teams fans that were shouting disgusting abuse at our soldiers at the emirates?
Don {Ed001's Note - does that really matter right now?}

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Rusty the tim - Seeing that you are so concerned about our service men and women and seeing you know so much about non payment of tax and what tax is spent on. Tell me how much in tax goes uncolleted in the UK per yr, is not paid in the Uk per yr, payment is avoided, payment is uncollected and how much is lost thro fraud (should know that one seeing your board done that one with 'estimated attendances') and tax evasion?
The great celtic way - when you first started you bribed players from Hibs who were a Charity then to come and play for yourselves. Think that is player tapping at least. Who was it again a Tailor and a Builder,( Pat Welsh and ) you had asked for help from Hibs as well and they gladly gave you it then you went behind their backs. True form.

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A fat cat not paying his taxes is a terrible thing and thats where RFC is now. and many of my friends think it should be payed back in full over as many years as it takes and i tend to agree. its just a shame that a man ruined the name of RFC with greed. However i cant stand this high and mighty stuff coming from celtic fans about this when we see the way they react to the british army.
so yes you are right it has no meaning in this matter but it just annoys me.
Don

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Player tapping has always and will always go on. You're just looking for stones to throw when you should be more concerned with the fact your club could disappear.

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08 Mar 2012 11:24:33
Here is a mad suggestion for you. Why not have a pay on the door old firm match and all the money goes to keep the Rangers afloat. I am a Celtic fan and although I like to gloat I firmly believe that we need Rangers. Not to survive but because of the rivalry. It is the only thing in Scottish
football that is worth watching, the football might not always be great but the atmosphere and the banter are the best you will ever get anywhere in the world. I know Celtic have said they can survive without Rangers but do they want to. I think keeping Rangers alive is a must for any scottish football fan. Beleive me I hate Rangers with a vengance but I am a Celtic man so you wouldnt expect anything less, its the same for Rangers fans but thats what makes the games between us so intense, if thats gone who do we taunt, take the mickey out of....hearts, aberdeen, do me a favour they do a good enough job of making themselves look silly. I am not saying everybody must gove everything to keep Rangers alive, there will be penalties and it will take time for them to get back challenging again but lets give them that chance and we can continue to gloat but there is always going to be the knowledge that one day they will be back.

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You asked the question mate , do they want to , the answes is no , to much hatred towards our club , celtic fans would rather dominate a league with no competition and see the standard of scottish football plummet rather than have a strong rangerrs

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Tell you what,lets see if they can go 90 minutes without the old songs before we help them.what do you think gers?can you do it. A Tim.

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I fully expect both sets of fans to 'sing the old songs' as you put it. They are as bad as each other at it.

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08 Mar 2012 11:09:46
Ordinary supporters willing to give there all to save our club. When I go to ibrox every other Saturday I see all the rich supporters rolling up in there big cars some of them multi millionaires, most just millionaires we all see them. Common knowledge is that 4 million will see us to the end of the season why the f*** cannot all the rich supporters put there hand in there pockets and collect this four million in pledges, you could sell one of your extra luxury cars, drop one of your exotic holidays if 100 of you lot would gift forty grand each that would be enough, if you want exposure for your gifts re sponsor the players howevermany are left to justify your gift. Would not be surprised if you could right it of some way. It would be a magor victory just to kick of next season no one else wants to help us we have to do it ourselves so lets see the rich fans help us out not just the Joe bloggs like myself who is willing to give all his savings of two grand to help ,as well as the hundreds of us who are willing to pay for our seat again despite already havinga season ticket in the poor seats, so all you lot in the private boxes and up in the sky at ibrox get your wallets out and help

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What a lot of rubbish.How do you know they are millionaires? I drive a nice motor but it's leased through my own company.I have my own buisness but i am not a millionaire.People work hard to achieve a good standard of living and you want people to tell their kids,sorry no hols this year im giving Rangers my money?What is going on is other peoples fault,let them step up.And by the way boxes are tax deductable,so in effect cost nothing .

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Give us peace mate there important things going on here than a few supporters not turning up to the odd game. was there not a sell out a few weeks back and hearts nearly a sell out ? SW

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08 Mar 2012 11:02:18
Troops, Iam sick of this, we need Whyte out immediatley.

I say a protest tonight demanding his removal

If we only get a few hundred it will be counter productive and give our detractors more ammo against us.

Lets get this started right now, I would like to think if 10 tell 10 who tell 10, we could get thousands at ibrox for 7pm

Any takers?

BFH

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OMG
BFH, do you think if we all go to ibrox it will m ake things ok?

grow up, things will take a natural course and CW will still own the club next season

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Totally agree but as I have posted over the past few nights - this has to be driven from the supporters trust etc as they have the power of numbers.

Standing as individuals just leaves the other half of Glasgow laughing louder at our
Demise

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Let me know how that works out,like the last pathetic turnout no doubt

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Lets do it come guys for fs

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Wont work mate hasn't so far hes a leach trying to suck us dry SW

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Got some interest outside here and look like they want to do something Friday

To the doubters who want to do nothing then fine. I am not willing to do nothing as our club is destroyed with me being silent.

It might mean nothing to the outcome but at least I will have vented my opinion.

BFH

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08 Mar 2012 10:58:32
Do you think wee Vlad, who is supposedly owed around £800000 from the Lee Wallace transfer, would agree to the terms of a VCA or would he put the boot in to a team he accuses of being part of the Scottish Football Mafia?

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Payment are not due yet for Wallace...

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Vlad would almost certainly block Rangers re-admittance to the SPL unless Hearts are paid the £800,000 they are owed(assuming Rangers go into liquidation and return in another entity)

To be honest who can blame him, Hearts are owed money and he has a massive bargaining chip!

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08 Mar 2012 10:31:47
Reading through the posts and replies there still seems to be a disbelief that Rangers could be liquidated and asset stripped, from what I am led to believe this is what cw planned all along and it's gonna happen, so lets get up of our large butts and get down and protest not in drips and drabs, thousands and they will soon take notice and hopefully bring an end to this circus. The Titanic is still afloat and the band is still playing but the deck chairs are slidding off the maindeck as the ship lists, lets get in there with the lifeboats before any more jump ship, it's time for solidarity and visual action. I am sure something could be organised for evening or weekend when folk are off work.

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Best post I've read today!

What are we waiting for fellow bears? I'm afraid no-one is issuing invites to this disaster.

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A Rangers village of tents in the spare ground opp the main entrance would be a great show of support.peacefull protest.

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I think it is to late to be protesting. It is money your club needs now the protesting should have happened long before now. I know you all have pride for your club but it is that pride and a touch of arrogance that has lead to this if you had listened to people then you may not have been in the position you are in now.

Ian(54 and subtracting)

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08 Mar 2012 10:26:38
Craig whyte to get payoff to get out off our club fans going nuts and saying he should get nothing. Be realistic whyte is a business man and as long as he has done nothing illegal he will only go if we make him an offer and he will not accept two pounds .My view is that has been his end game all along any group bidding as well as the admin will factor this in to any deal. He will prob walk away with millions we will have to get over it.despite my hatred for the man .

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08 Mar 2012 10:26:16
Does anyone know how much Duff and Phelps are on an hour/day to carry out the administration process. Ive heard a rumour that Paul Clarke and David Whitehouse could be costing the club as much as £8k a day EACH for their services and were quite happy sitting back and bleeding the club dry while the administration process carried on at a snails pace until yesterdays bombshells.

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You might have been better with Ken Clarke and Paul Whitehouse!

It's very strange how these administrators have done things.

1903

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Learn the rules of admin before you start posting rubbish.your figures are an underestimate tho its around £100k p/w

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When it's all done and dusted Rangers will have a bill for £1M from D&P...they get paid by the way...they are in charge! Money for old rope!

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What about Morecambe & Wise,Fry & Laurie ext?We need clarity now,not after liquidation.

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08 Mar 2012 10:22:18
it is liquidisation. as whyte wanted all along to secure his creditor status. did you bears not see how he rushed to court when he saw hmrc were pressing for admin. hmrc could have helped you, not craigs henchmen. gone.

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Not our falt mate were the support not board members :( SW

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08 Mar 2012 10:18:09
what we really need is a billionaire, with wealth of the radar, from the playboy paradise of motherwell to come and save us. no wonder celts are laughing. what a joke minty left us with.

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08 Mar 2012 10:14:30
Just thought i'd post a little but here. There seems to be confusion about CW and Rangers liquidation. If Rangers are forced into Liquidation by the Administrators, CW will NOT own anything. It will all be taken from him and any assets will be sold off. CW secured the Ticketus deal on his own, not through Rangers so that deal will be invalid. CW will be left to sort out that mess.

If Rangers are forced into liquidation, the best thing that could happen is someone comes along and sets up a NewCo. That said NewCo then buys Ibrox or rents it, whatever the case may be, with no HRMC debt or any other debt for that matter.

My only concern with all this is the punishment to Rangers and its fans for the financial mess of others and the fact that CW could be the one who buys Ibrox and Rangers assets.

If Liquidation occurs, which i still think wont happen (i believe a buyer will emerge, but not before the deadline - i think the administrators are playing a bit of 'poker' here and forcing a buyer), Rangers will cease to exist but will re-emerge as a stronger team.

I would actually like to see liquidation occur in a round about way, even though i think it wont, so that we can reform in the very north of England i.e. Carlisle, Berwick, with a new buyer and enter the conference league and work our way up. Might take a decade or 2 but with the right buyer and our heritage, i think we would make the top flight whilst leaving Celtic and all the rest of the pathetic SPL behind...

Brighter Days - HOPEFULLY!!

Jamie

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What a load of nonsense.Also did you know that if you reform,with the name rangers in the title and play at ibrox,HMRC will be all over you as will other creditors.They will claim this was a deliberate debt scam.and they will win.check up on it

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So if Berwick Rangers New York Rangers QPR. Cambuslang Rangers play at Ibrox.tax man creditors all over them.give it a rest.

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To the poster referring to Berwick etc: don't be silly.

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08 Mar 2012 09:55:53
Hi Ed, is it true from earlier posts that a one million pound gift to the club goes solely to the club and not to any creditors or to the administrators?
Basically buying the club a month to get the result of the tax case heard and a cva organised in respect of it and therefore making buying the club far easier because the full liability will be known!?
If its a yes, then this has to be done by someone, especially since they may even get it back after any investigation into the dealings of Duff & Phelps as no-one (including financial experts) understands why an administrator hasn't reduced costs after 22 days. {Ed001's Note - you would need to check with a financial expert, but my understanding is that any money going into the club would be under the control of the administrators anyway.}

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Duff & Phelps investigation? Are you serious? These guys (and Whyte in my opinion) are far too clever to have done anything untoward.Every possible angle seems to have been covered to make sure they have been seen to try to keep Rangers alive.Even now,flying in the face of conventional wisdom,they are still making the right noises re selling the club.Why did Whyte rush into admin before HMRC applied to have their team in place?This has Whyte written all over it,even down to securitizing assets.Has Paul Murray gor the funding to buy?Dave King cant buy anything at the moment(and to front a purchase for him will lead to a law suit) and has assets frozen in South Africa.Rangers debt is around the 30m mark,before the "big tax case",meaning a buyer would have to be prepared to tip over £100m into a black hole,in a league where little cash is generated,with no euro football for 1 year(poss 3) and a club under investigation by the Police,SFA,SFL and quite possibly EUFA. Do you really see a buyer?

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08 Mar 2012 09:55:46
Ok to the people all saying fans should protest we do have jobs too go to and familys at home! Every loyal Rangers fan is hurting but protesting wont get us the truth theres so many lies wrapped up in this that they would only keep coming from any board member past & previous and Mccoist will not stick anyone in it! We would be aswell queing up emptying our pockets to finance a takeover!
I do not know what will happen to the club i think the favt of the matter is knowone on earth knows how the next few days will pan out! I want to say if we do liquidate it was a pleasure to sit next to use fellow loyal bears and watch the team for over 15 years now and if a newco is started i would hope too see use all there too rise from the ashes rebuild our reputatation and get too the top of Scottish football once again the Celtic will never be feared and neither will the SFA cant wait too see there faces when we come out of this we will be strong again and before the Jelly and ice cream brigade get out there bed watch Jeremy Kyle sign on the brew and hammer this post predicting the future was never ure Forte use must be sick eating ur words!

Larky Bear (Going down the Winchester and waiting on all this too blow over)

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Away down the pub and wait for the latest news on your shambolic,shoddy club. goodbye for ever. A Tim.

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08 Mar 2012 09:50:31
does anybody no how to get intouch
with rangers as you are all aware
save rangers is sitting at 14000 plus
people ready to donate surely that
would keep club afloat untill potential
buyer comes in we must do something before its too late ps ed do you no cheerz {Ed001's Note - you need to get in touch with the administrators, rather than the club.}

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08 Mar 2012 09:47:16
if you do not even bother to organise a protest outside your stadium and show your support, why do you think anybody else would be interested in investing? a rich man does not put money into a business with no return. and as you have no protestors it looks to me like you have no customers. hence, no investment.

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Cant believe 2 people disagreed with you there....but thats the world they live in! The original poster is correct...if you want someone to come in and save you then a massive show of strength from the fans broadcast all over the world may just make someone sit up and notice the potential.....although I do feel that its a bit late in the day and CW's masterplan is about to bear some fruit.

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08 Mar 2012 09:46:14
Question, would it be cheaper/possible for prospective buyers to allow the club to go in to liquidation getting rid of the tax bill and all old debts etc starting up as a Newco and using the money they have to re-sign the players who would have been released and had contracts cancelled when the club was liquidated?? Starting with no debts and keeping together the squad that is there currently with money to invest in enhancing it??

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I think your creditors would be interested in that plan.

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08 Mar 2012 09:35:23
Morning ed took today off work totally shattered with all this crap looks like the end of the rangers m8 can only hope for a savour ..kenny bluenose keep your chin up Paulrfc {Ed001's Note - personally I think the only way a saviour will come in is if the fans show him money. Otherwise it is not a sound investment for him. But getting behind the likes of saverangers shows a viable income stream for any investor to tap into.}

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08 Mar 2012 09:22:53
To the people on here saying lets protest
etc, sign up to www.saverangers.com
to ensure we are ready to move no
matter what eventuality comes.

Its time to stand up and pay bears.J

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Pay who? HMRC, CW etc etc?!

I (like many others) are willing to spend to help out, but can anyone assure us the money will be spent in the way we (the fans) intended?

I think not I'm afraid!

Keep the faith

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Firstly on the saverangers.com its well know that it was full of celtic fans making stupid pledges to make it look like it was us, also the amounts i feel are to high. lowest being £500. well not everyone can afford that. people are out there working hard to keep there family with money not all can hand over £500 there should be a lower amount to pledge. Although i do think protests should have happened. that costs nothing. but can do so much more.
Don

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U can pledge wot u wont just clik on custom amount anything will help m8

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Sorry didnt notice custom amount. my bad.
Don

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You can pledge any amount you want, custom amount. This money wont go anywhere until the new owner comes forward and the we can invest. CW or HMRC wont get a penny of it.

J

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Pledgeing doesnt mean a thing to me you could have millions pledged and in the end get next to nill

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08 Mar 2012 09:07:56
ho ho. craigie is smarter than the average bear. please go to companies house and find out who he really is.

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08 Mar 2012 09:07:34
Why is there no-one coming forward and asking the saverangers people to go ahead and get the money into an account. Once we have the £4.5m needed we keep the club going to the summer & we then see if Craig Whyte will keep to his promise(doubt it) of gifting his shares to a the supporters.

If we can get the fans involved we can then have a share issue, yearly subscription to the club, sell some players and reduce the wage bill. We could also try and sell the naming rights on Ibrox. We could hopefully strike some sort of deal to pay off the tax debts if the big case goes against us (it took 15 years for HMRC to get to this stage so surely we could try to negotiate a 5-10 year deal rather than going into liquidation and HMRC getting peanuts).

Everyone seems to be sitting back and expecting someone else to sort it out, we need someone now, someone who could become a Rangers legend, and someone who is willing to put in the time and effort to save our great club.

The Pilot!

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Well said perhaps a figure head, Walter Smith? Dont want my club to die and are ready to part with my money when needed.PB

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Me 2 m8

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08 Mar 2012 09:06:07
DP means something else in another context. P@rn and i looks like Rangers are getting the DP treatment from DP!

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08 Mar 2012 08:48:25
Time to get real here, Rangers Fans should step up to the mark, Mass protest out side Ibrox today, Demand that admin wind us up with immediate effect. as to rise as a newco for next season a lot of work has to be done we only have around 12 weeks to complete all the legalities or there will be no Rangers of any description next season, and then every bit of our history will be totally destroyed, We have left it late but the call for action starts with immediate action, Friday is too late.

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I (as have many others) have been asking this question over the past few days and also stated that Gretna fans demonstrated to better effect than us.
Why is it us Rangers fans think we have the devine right for someone to step in and save us.....especially when it looks like we don't care?!
Please don't take this as a message from a dhim

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Liquidation wipes out all your history !

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What!! Demand that the administrators wind you up?....what do you want them to do? Flick your balls with a wet towel.

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08 mar 2012 08:47:47
heard a rumour that rangers will be merging with motherwell to make a brand new team called motherwell rangers fc.
fir park will be sold to developers and new team will play its home games at ibrox.
come on the wellgers

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Stuart mcall has already embraced the "wellgers" with his results against your soon to be defunct rangers!

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08 Mar 2012 07:05:43
Whyte has played a blinder. It's his game his ba.
Things are going exaclty to plan and Whyte will make his money and walk away.
Cherio.

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White will get nothing, as he didn't follow the criteria of the agreement, by using the clubs own assets (season ticket sales) to pay off the Lloyds loan

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08 Mar 2012 05:01:41
Greg Whylde leaves club to safe
guard other jobs. Aye right. He has
got himself a nice little earner down
south.Wish him well but he should
admit it rather than let the gullable
fans think he has done this out of
a sense of loyalty to RFC.
Rats leaving sinking ship come to
mind.

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Everyone of those players will get a new team. But this boy realised if he left now it would free up wages. he didnt asked for redundancy pay or for his wages. So i say well done to the lad. He deserves everybit of respect from the fans.
Don

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08 Mar 2012 03:36:29
instead of blaming whyte and the administrators you should start demanding your legends murray smith and others speak, for it is them that got you into this. And if you would lisen to some tims you maybe would have opened your eyes a wee bite, so maybe you can learn from this and be able to take info no matter who it is.

thnks to your bad club i will never be able to attend an old firm match and i would have swam across the sea just to get there. once again your club brings more bad image to everything football.. see where hate for the tims got you, where as the tims were the bigger person and will ALWAYS be!

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You should stop taking the medication, it is giving you thoughts above your station. Go back to being the put upon poor it is more truthful.

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Geez peace mate eh

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I am a bit unsure here, but are you inferring that "tims" are better than anyone else?
Surely this is about football and not your narrow little bigoted little view of the world. I have protestant mates who are Celtic season ticket holders - what does that make them? What about the groups of your support who revile war heroes and support terrorist causes - are they better than a decent Rangers supporter?
If you have nothing other than this nonsense to spout then please go to a different site where you and your kind can swap ideas.
Cheers
Blue Knows

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Once again we have a another Celtic fan (I do not include all Celtic fans in this, as the majority are good sensible people) claiming the 'holier than thou' attitude. Both sets of fans have followers who spout this tripe (We are just as bad), and to claim one is better than the other is beyond hypocrisy.

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08 Mar 2012 02:47:00
Does anyone feel sir Walter should come back till the end of the season? Get some Passion back.

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What is it with u rangers fans u blame all around u for the mess u r in come on here and give it we dont walk away i have not seen 1 fan outside ibrox protesting or trying 2 make a diffrence u lot just sit on your a@@@ and come on this site and blame every 1 else for your debts yip u lot r so loyal

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Walter wont bring anymore passion than McCoist already has there. The performances of late dont dont show Ally in any form of light. You can blame the fiasco off field for that. Until that changes, we're in for 90 mins of torture each game im afraid.

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Ohh yes. lets get waltie back so he can spend us out of trouble. dohhhhhhhh. bart simpsom up front and madge in goal.

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A think we are all savy enough to kno standin outside ibrox isn,t going to make one bit of difference , its cash we need not standin outside ibrox makin an @rse of ourselves

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08 Mar 2012 02:22:20
Thats it! We're f***ed.. plain and simple. Greed again prevails! Agents.........the scourge of football. Dont expect any bid. But expect alot of "we ran out of time" or "we just couldnt gather the funds quick enough!"

Pound to the penny every potential bidder is waitng to scavenge as much as possible when liquidation comes. Theres no point denying it now. And you can hit me with timmy this and timmy that all you want, if im proven wrong ill come back and appologise. Why would they buy a us in the state we are in. Finacialy ruined and the potential of another massive debt to come. Craig S*yte and Sir (should be stripped off him)David "dont talk bad about me" Murray have ruined us and are now both sitting pretty!
And yet theres a post asking if we are boycotting the UNTD game!! Is there not more pressing matters at hand! Why have the pledges that we are all told proudly now total 12 mil not being used to stabilise the club to the end of the season, or atleast untill HMRC are done shafting us! Why have the current board gone quiet and letting McCoist do their work. And last but by no means least!!! Where the f**k is Craig S*yte and the cash and how is he getting away with this?

words cant begin to describe how angry i am. I have a seven month old son who could potentially never get that thrill of his first game, walking up to stadium, seeing john Greig up on the plinth, the rubbish half time pies, the songs, the fans, the bloody half time draw i never fecking win, all things i done with my old man!!!! Gutted. sickened. appalled?? Just about, but no where near strong enough!

aWb

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Whyte is selling his castle and getting ready to f**k off with the dosh from Rangers!

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08 Mar 2012 01:19:19
Get C W & D & P out now as its all LIES

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08 Mar 2012 01:18:56
Does anybody think that the administrator should be doing sometHing a bit out of the box, why not have collection buckets at the games. Why not have an open day at ibrox! Meet the players for £20 a head. Photos with the team and cups.
Empty the shop of strips and sell them get the players to sign them at the open day.
Why not charge £20 for a progaMme , I think the fans would dig deep if we knew the money would help.
I know this is not going to raise enough but surely every little helps.
I know it sounds a bit like the scout jumble sale but maybe 30,000 would turn up and maybe pay £50 a head? It may buy us some time.
Why not have a rangers legends dinner for the well heeled and charge them £200 a ticket, have some auctions of rangers stuff. I have been at some dos where ppl pay huge money for items.
The point is do something!

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DUFF and phelps - their name says it all
PaulRFC

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There may well be auctions of Rangers stuff - just not at a fund-raising dinner.

1903

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Well done sheep, Defo a Don, look at signature date, get back to your page if you have one.

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Looks like another fan who beliegves this page should just be for Rangers fans and no other clubs' fans can partake in the discussion or banter. It was a serious point about the auctions although it may have appeared flippant.

1903

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08 Mar 2012 01:07:40
here is the link to scottish football over the last 10 years
football-finances.org.uk/rangers/2010/index.htm

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08 Mar 2012 00:47:45
Enough of the postive talk it wont matter if where done , which we are unless some legend comes in and saves us its all over are history will be wiped even if the club is re-started , I hope we dont die but it looks like it unless we get some person with a kind heart.

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08 Mar 2012 00:51:08
Super Ally DOES understand why the sly kicks are forthcoming; he's just not letting on. He's a cheeky chappie.

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08 Mar 2012 00:49:46
Peterhead fan. Sorry to see this happen, If its true that we could be playing in the same league next season. look forward to watching games in a great stadium with great fans.

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I for one celtic fan do not wish this to happen to your club, I will miss the rivalry and the old firm matches to which i always look forward to, best derby in the world bar none, hope you manage to survive.

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Whoever hit the "unbelieve" are just bitter and mindless. Get a life. Thanks mate btw.

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Cheers Peterhead fan, I am Gers through and through that lived in Fraserburgh for a few years, Nice part of the country.

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08 Mar 2012 00:33:18
we must get rid of C W and D and P are the same telling us lies we have to get them out now so our great club can survive

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08 Mar 2012 00:26:43
On the news wire that Portsmouth been bailed out but for two decimal points less than we need. Still up for the charity gig though it seems.

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08 Mar 2012 00:24:15
SaveRangers.com has been active for 12 days and over 14,000 loyal Rangers supporters have come out in force to pledge £12,000,0000 cash required to save our club.
We will soon be moving onto the next phase of the campaign where we will conduct research with those who have pledged on the site on the future of Rangers. We would ask fans to be patient at this time as before any money is handed over we have to be 100% sure where it is going and why.

Please spread the word to your friends, family, supporters buses and show the world that we will fight till the day is done.

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Full of it , the day will be done on friday and the money's going to the admin

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08 Mar 2012 00:22:30
It looks like it's liquidation fellow bears. Just wondering if any leeds fans out there could let us know if supporting their newco feels any different?, i really don't know how i feel about it. Any thoughts bears?... W.A.T.P...... Billy the bear.

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Not be the same m8 am gutted as the rest of us their will be no history we been shafted ..kenny bluenose

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Leeds wasn't a newco, I think, but a phoenix club. I'm sure the Ed. will put me right.

1903 {Ed001's Note - yes, phoenix not a true newco.}

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Seriously....WATP just makes you look stupid now!

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08 Mar 2012 00:22:14
Get C W and D & P out now as there all the same and we need answers not delays and lies

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08 Mar 2012 00:16:35
Just want to know why CW is a secured creditor. Is a secured creditor not someone who takes security on assets when giving out loans... etc, ie: just as banks do on your house when u get a mortgage,

so why has CW have secured creditor status when he hasn't put any money in to the club, nor has he loaned the club one penny.

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08 Mar 2012 00:09:21
Dand P are no better than Whyte they should all be investigated for the tragic demise of our once great club

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08 Mar 2012 00:05:54
we should storm the castle and get some answers

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08 Mar 2012 00:04:12
Whyte and D and P must go now before its is to late and get HMRC`s own admin team in to sort the shambles which has been left by the three stooges

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08 Mar 2012 00:02:42
Portsmouth's administrators have announced that the club may well see out the rest of the season after reaching an agreement to receive £800,000 from the Football League.

The financially stricken club are bottom of the Championship and had feared liquidation.

"This will go a long way towards plugging the club's financial gap," said administrator Trevor Birch.

Portsmouth's final game of the 2011-12 campaign is scheduled for 28 April.

In mid-February the south coast outfit entered administration for the second time in three years, suffering a 10-point penalty as a result and dropping towards the foot of the league.

Key players have been loaned out as a cost-cutting measure, including captain Liam Lawrence, who moved to fellow Championship side Cardiff City. Birch had admitted the club might not have enough money to see out the season.

Now Portsmouth are set to receive around £800,000 in the form of four monthly payments between now and the end of the campaign, after a period of discussion with the Football League.

"The league has confirmed that we will receive the four outstanding payments for the current season," Birch commented.

"Thanks to this and other initiatives, which may include further player loans, we should be able to get to the end of the season."

However, speaking on behalf of all the administrators, Birch sounded a note of caution.

"I wish to emphasise that we are not out of the woods yet," he warned.

"This initial money buys the club time but it does not solve the club's problems and it does not guarantee the club's survival.

"The overarching objective is to find a buyer before the money runs out."

Manager Michael Appleton has stated his intention to stay at Fratton Park despite being forced to work under tough financial restrictions and suffering a 1-0 defeat against Reading on Tuesday.

"I try to show the players that I am willing to fight to the end," he told BBC Radio Solent.

"If we have a group of players who are prepared to do the same then we have a great chance."

Talks remain ongoing regarding a possible friendly fixture between Portsmouth and fellow financial strugglers, Scottish Premier League side Rangers.

Both parties are exploring costs and logistics to see if a match can be staged between the sides, who are 450 miles apart.

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07 Mar 2012 23:51:26
How would any potential bidder get the club of Whyte?

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