Rangers Banter Archive June 08 2012

08 Jun 2012 22:31:23
Why don't we ask Green how much he wants to go home and leave us alone. The RFFF money could for a change be put to a useful purpose.

08 Jun 2012 22:16:30
Q. Who are you mr. Green and why do you think you can buy rangers with a loan ?
Rangers need to go to the rest of scottish football, in a contrite manner, and ask what can WE do ?

Loans are nothing new in football, owners who wish to make money out of football do that. Roman abramovich has done it at chelsea, mike ashley at newcastle etc.Why should he just throw money at us without wanting to see return he is not a fan he is a bussinessman

Wake up the rest of Scottish football don't want us ,we have made some major blunders in the last 12 months most noticeably having the administrators appointed by whyte , it has now come that if Bill Gates wanted to put every penny he had into rangers we wouldn't be happy,the loan thing has been explained on numerous threads b4 so look back as you haven't been watching, let green get us out of admin and then judge I'm sure he is in this to make money but if he can turn our club round good luck to him

#1 Chelsea and Newcastle did not have the tainted baggage that the Rangers name carries. They both had really believable good chances of a successful future. If Green has reputable backing he would be flaunting this NOW not hiding it till he gets his way. He is staking a pittance to try to get the fixed assets and then sell them off.

08 Jun 2012 21:48:15
Tesco have put forward an offer for ibrox that puts greens offer to shame. What next?

Nonsense.Tesco would not touch it with a barge pole.

Dont believe the OP but think it would be a good site for a new store

08 Jun 2012 21:26:52
right before you read on aye 'pot kettle back bla bla bla'

but honestly i feel sorry for the rangers fans over this saga.yes you need punished for what has happened but this clown green is really a tool.

asking for people to renew their season books yet what has he told you ? NOTHING! even the RFFF this is who i im starting to feel for,cast your mind back to alex timmy thomson he went round a few places that rangers owed money too but i remember of 2 'creditors' being payed by the fans(wasnt the fans fund was just 2 normal supporters).i know thats what the RFFF is trying to do but even the person who said he has the club at heart paul murray (whos bid was a joke !) isnt doing enough for rangers.

if the RFFF is getting money in the door & saying publicly we have X amount then why cant green AT LEAST say well if you renew your books from next friday (if a cva goes through) then i will pump in X millions of my money to kick the club off knowing he will get that money back in 2/3/4 years but hes not.hes just looking for a quick buck while trying to butter up the fans. even buying the football tops is just money for whyte pockets, if you have a family of the average 2 adults 2 children thats nearly £100 just in one house hold ! but that is just going to D&P/whyte.

so honestly i do feel sorry for the supports,even tho i give you stick about cva etc but thats how its a banter page tongue & cheek but honestly rather than march with your feet march with your money away from buying things that has rangers on it as there is no defo answer on if they will be a 'glasgow rangers' this time next week or next month

lenny

Always have been, always will be Rangers Football Club - away back to your own site and give us peace!

Always have been, always will be Rangers Football Club: the club thaty went into admin,had a owner who screwed them over,appoints D&P who line their own pockets.they then get a transfer ban which they challenge & get dropped as it cant be done yet 4 weeks later you want a transfer ban ?

i think the last 4 months of a shambles of your club wipes off the 'most successful league team in the world'

lenny

08 Jun 2012 21:03:10
is it true That Fergus McCann is bidding and promises to bring Larsson, Sutton, Moavcik, Johnstone McNeil Boruc mcgrain McAvennie Walker DiCanio Cadete etc or is it a lot of rubbish, take my advice this rumour is just as believable as the junk yous are reading in the Daily (Record) Rangers STOP BUYING IT they are being paid to print what you Rangers fans are wanting to hear, i wouldnt trust any of the MSM.

Mcgrory, gallagher, mcstay, gemmell, lennox, dalglish, macari, hood, nicholas, mclair, auld, tully, mcbride, connolly, hay, clarke, simpson, connaghan, deans, Williams, as well.

Who are these people?

bil72

08 Jun 2012 20:21:57
Stv news we might accept the SFA ban after all!!
When are we ever going to get some dignity back ? Fans are being taken for mugs we come on forums like this and support the club we have accepted that Murray and white have damaged our club but ask for everyone to understand our side of things as supporters. We reveled in our victory over the SFA and claimed that justic was done ! Now our potential new leader is saying we might need to accept the ban!!
Why?
Does he know something?
If we do , do we then owe the SFA the court cost that they had to pay for our win?
I'm sick of being the butt of everyone's jokes particularly the ones that even I know are self inflicted.
Help!!!!!!!!

This is a clear admission by Green that he was wrong to take SFA to court. This guy is way out of his depth and should recognise this. His ambitions far out weigh his ability. Let us hope his backers see sense and with draw the funding.

Rangers have no say in what they will accept it not accept. Lord Glennie has made a court of session judgement, end of. It cannot be undermined by Green. Rangers and SFA cannot now revert to the transfer ban as its ILLEGAL.

Lots of rangers loyers (see whit ah did) making legal decisions now. Rangers can reverse their decision. All they will have done is waste a lot of sfa money and time and made themselves look pretty damned stupid, nothing new, and risked their very future. It was a game of chicken and rangers lost.

@ OP, justice was done in so far that the punishment was not available to the panel(we need to realise this was an independent panel acting on behalf of the SFA not the SFA themselves), that same panel will now decide what punishment fits the crime again only the punishment will be greater.

@ 1. He has next to no backers, his own money is on the line and he is begging other people to join the consortium before the CVA to avoid using his own money.

08 Jun 2012 19:52:38
players in - black/gattuso

players out - broadfoot/lafferty/healy/little

Get real and stop acting stupid

No players in, loads out, you lot are done.

08 Jun 2012 18:35:26
just a thought about the gers goin down to div 3 talkin about having to close a couple of stands do people not realise that rangers is a way of life and not just a football team. Do they think that because rangers are not in the spl fans are going to support another team

Some will stay, others will wait for better times but probably not another team, no. Look at like likes of Hibs whose gates fluctuate with the fortunes of the club. Would 20,000 or more fans really want to watch Rangers vs East Stirling? I mean, it's embarrassing to even cheer when Rangers score.

I live in Ayrshire and go to Rugby Park when Rangers are not at Ibrox. Given a choice Killie v Hearts/Aberdeen etc or Gers v Annan Athletic where do you think I will go. Could be 3 years of singing "Paper Roses"

Well go sing paper roses and eat your killie pie you are a total disgrace one life one love GLASGOW RANGERS Till i die

@3. Who do you think you are calling some1 a disgrace , if someone wants to go watch their local team thats their choice not yours. Sounds like they watch rangers to see a higher quality of football if thats not on offer why bother.

Erm... Am a celtic fan and even i know there not called Glasgow Rangers... Its just Rangers ya plum..... So so silly one life one love lmao

@5 you still know who hes on about! the club is called rangers and it plays in glasgow is it too hard for u to work out stop being childish and grow up...mark.

So Mark if he called them Rangers City would that be alright? After all they play in a city?

Theres a city in Scotland called Rangers?

I thought teams with "city" in the name, were the actual city team, eg Bristol CITY, Manchester CITY, Edinburgh CITY, Glasgow CITY, etc, so Rangers CITY? Hmmmm...

Anyone see where i'm going with this?

08 Jun 2012 17:29:45
Dailyrecord saying green has sent out the season ticket forms:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/06/08/charles-green-insists-rangers-can-be-force-again-in-scottish-football-as-he-urges-fans-to-back-club-86908-23890919/

Sounds like a begging letter to me.

Totally unbelievable. No CVA agreed and issuing invite for season tickets. He has zero money to pay the June bills. This guy won't be here in 5 months bears.
Season tickets deliver 3 months operations. It'll be admin again in 5 months. Zero new money coming in.
I believe Whyte, D&P and Green are all in it together. We're buying tickets for Whyte.
Whyte appointed D&P and D&P were talking with Green even when bill miller was preferred bidder and had exclusivity. During 'exclusivity' they were talking to Green.

This is a grifter con gang.
And this is the emotional blackmail money grab from the gullible.
Where's Green's money?
Wake up my fellow bears.

"Your loyalty, passion, pride, dedication and True Blue spirit has been nothing short of remarkable and sums up exactly what being a Ranger is all about.
"Rangers has been in existence for 140 years and it will be for another 140 years and beyond.
"With your continued support this club will be a force once again."

I'm not convinced by Greens rhetoric and over the top platitudes.
A newspaper printed 5 of his lies do far Last week. He's only mentioned three names in hid consortium and they are not typical British people/ rangers supporters. They all sound like Asian Muslims.
Green needs to agree a CVA and pay the money out before approaching fans. This is minimum requirement.

Above posts are spot on, you can just smell it. Rangers fans need to find a way of organising, not the usual numpties. Any ideas ?

After the past two owners, fans are rightly suspicious of Green who seems even less transparent than Whyte. Of course he might be squeeky clean but we just don't know.

08 Jun 2012 17:00:26
Forget about all the peripheral talk, there are four factors that need answered:-
1. Why did murray sell to whyte when ''he would only sell in the best interests of the club''.
2. Why was whyte so insistent on Duff & Phelps being the administrators.
3. Why is green so interested in season ticket money when he doesn't have a product to sell.
4. Are ticketus part of green's consortium?
These four answers may start to unfold the apparent con of supporters, that is unfolding.
So for showing their backing they are being treated as fools. Loyalty is not in the vocabulary of the aforementioned con men.

1. to get out
2. no rule against it
3. needs the money/daft not to
4. no

BB

1. to get out of what? The mess he had left and the hidden debt.
2. No rule except his 'close' association with them, he is probably on commission.
3. Needs the money for what? To source his input.
4. Your wrong.
You might be willing to fund him but I certainly will not. I think we have had enough of con men, only interested in lining their own pockets.

2 - Whyte has presumably used D&P before, or rather the company that D&P bought (name forgotten) where Whitehouse and others worked. Expects the "light touch" from them.

Other answers as per reply #1

To reply no: 2

1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Prove it

BB

08 Jun 2012 16:42:05
Just out of interest, what are the averages for football clubs in trouble I.e administration. For their offers in the CVA I hear everyone goin on about Rangers only offering 8p to the pound but Pompey are apparently only offering 2p to the pound.

Pompey assets nowhere near rangers.

And not for the first time (Pompey). As soon as rules are in place to make sure clubs stay solvent - i.e. a hypothetical CVA would pay 100p in the pound - the better it will be for football.

08 Jun 2012 15:49:33
The rules state that all Scottish Premier League clubs must have fully audited accounts submitted to the Scottish Football Association no later than the 31st March 2012. All other clubs (SFL and below) had until the 30th April 2012 to do this. Rangers, despite being granted an unprecedented “period of grace” (extending their deadline to the 15th June), have yet to even begin this process. Without these accounts, Rangers cannot be granted a SFA licence for next season. Also, it is worthy of note that any accountancy firm who submits audited accounts on behalf of a company essentially “put their reputation on the line” in doing so, as they have to state that they are fully correct. With Rangers’ finances in tatters, and a lot of “To Be Confirmed (TBC)” amounts involved, this requirement looks less and less likely to be achieved by the deadline, if at all.

They do not have to state that they are correct as they can never bee 100% certain unless they check 100% of the transactions.

Auditors provide a report expressing their "opinion" on the truth and fairness of the finanicial statements.

BigBear1873

You don't need an SFA license to play in SPL. Big problem if we don't get into the SPL though.
P.O.B.

1# Utter nonsense. If accountants sign of on accounts they are legally responsible for any financial problems in the next fiscal year.Thats why Grant Thornton would not sign rangers accounts off last year

All players and team need to be registered with SFA, and players contracts, to play in SPL.

@4 and for those who disagree with #2

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9293521/Rangers-given-licence-to-compete-in-SPL-after-U-turn.html

P.O.B.

08 Jun 2012 15:08:29
Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson has warned that a Rangers "newco" may be blocked by SPL clubs.

He said: "I'd have my doubts whether they'd get sufficient votes to get back in. "It wouldn't be just a simple yes or no vote, they'd have to negotiate their way back in again. That might not be easy for them.

"There's been a lack of remorse shown.

Views have hardened.

"Taking things to a court of law hasn't helped. That's certainly hardened views of people within the game."

There has been no remorse shown and that's one of the things that upsets the rest of the football world.Depriving the country of much needed tax money is a major problem and won't be forgotten easily--if ever.You can see the banners now flying at the next match--this shame is never going to go away

@1 then you have not been listening then! green,ally,and fans have apoligised for this mess. you know the mess whyte got us in for not paying taxes because you cant be on about the btc no decision yet remember...mark.

08 Jun 2012 13:10:42
I've been following the Rangers saga over the last few months and I'm amazed that a club as big as Rangers (in terms of supporters) that it has been left to 1 or 2 individuals to try and save the club.

What is really amazing is the the proposal on the table is for someone (with his anonymous backers) to lend £8.5 million to "buy" the club and when they get their money repaid (with interest) they still own the club lock stock and barrel. Given that the assets are valued at over £100m then even if things go tits up in the future (before the loan is repaid) then the assets would more than cover any part of the loan unpaid. So it is effectively a risk free gamble by Green!

My understanding is that there are approx 30,000 to 40,000 rangers season ticket holders each year plus many more die hard fans around the globe. On the basis that a season ticket costs an average of £400 per year then with some organisation by people who truly have rangers best interests at heart, approx.£15million could have been raised by rangers fans for the cost of a season ticket each. No doubt there are some fans who could have put more than the cost of a season ticket on the table to increase this amount.

The fans putting their money in could then have appointed a "Rangers man" (or men) to really look after the long-term interests of the club and to be in control of their own destiny. They could have bettered the offer from Green and still had money left over to invest in the club.

Given the history of the club and the real passion of the the supporters then I'm surprised that for the sake of the cost of one season ticket each, a campaign could not have been organised to raise at least what Greene has offered which would have kept all he fans unified and not speculating whether Green is another Whyte (or Murray); and what the future might hold.

Perhaps I'm being too simplistic but if all it boils down to is raising £8.5million to save the club then given the size of the loyal rangers support then raising this amount (and much more) should not have been too difficult to achieve. I'm pretty sure if rangers fans were given the opportunity to have a stake in their beloved club (and much more control over their destiny) they would have happily parted with the amount they shell out each season.

If Duff & Phelps were trying to get the best solution for all interested parties (creditors, club, supporters etc) then should they not have at least tested the water to see if this was achievable. Considering they are paid handsomely for their expertise then surely this would have been worth exploring.

The problem that i can see is the real gers fans were kept out of the loop. Every bidder so far has wanted to gain control using fans cash.The sales of season books are what drives the financials up in the case of rangers(and celtic) and all bidders know this.This stupid CVA offer that Green has put forward will not be accepted as it's not enough.Factor in Whyte still lurking in the background and it is not viable to continue in the current form.

Rangers fans have, during the past 4 mouths demonstrated their loyalty. They "walked away".

08 Jun 2012 12:47:06
There's a rumour FC Sion and others are watching the SFA and Rangers since Regan said no action against the club for taking the National Association to court.

These clubs have been penalised hard for doing the same and apparently will seek redress.

Others watching to see if they can use a court strategy in future and get away with it 'Scot' free.

Utter garbage. The Sion gaffer or chairman or whoever the guy is was in the paper the other week telling Rangers to take the SFA all the way.

TTG {Ed039's Note - Worked out well for them didnt it)

08 Jun 2012 11:27:42
Wee opening day double for the Euros.

Poland 11/10
Russia Evs

Also good goal scorer anytime bets with the likes of Kerzhakov on Evs or Dzagoev at 11/4

Larky Bear

08 Jun 2012 08:47:22
Whyte at it again. What is this guy up to ? He wont go near a court. He would be opened up like a can of beans. We Noé have rangers owner making statements like this just before the panel sits again. I dont like king bit he's right this time. Green wants the season ticket money. His backers are ticketus. Its all a dodge to beat the taxman and the rest of the creditors. Why does anybody need a season ticket anyway ? Pay at the gate. If green is genuine he wont be worried will he ? Meanwhile rangers has been publicly humiliated by all of them.

I'm not a Rangers supporter but looking at your situation objectively I think that Whyte and Duff & Phelps have colluded in some way potentially to their mutual benefit. The Revenue will lose patience and step in to sort matters quickly. They cannot be seen to be soft touches.

As for Charles Greene he is a vulture circling - £200000 commitment then loans at 8%!

I very much fear that Rangers will disappear from the entire Scottish football scene, never mind going to Division 3.

Sorry.

08 Jun 2012 08:21:39
Just a thought....Whtye bought rangers with £25 Million which was funded through 3 years of advanced season tickets sales.

Green is buying rangers for £8.5 Million and now we are hearing they want this years season ticket money.

£25 Million divided by 3 = £8.3 Million.

That is a bit of a coincidence don't you think

Is this chap just doing a CW only 1 year at a time?

Do they think we are stupid ?

He paid £18 million. £6 million was due to be paid as VAT.

GoldCoastBhoy

@1 since when did the rate of VAT become 33.33%

JG

08 Jun 2012 03:02:01
I for 1 want king out a new board in and a fresh start nd bring in a salery cap bringing it down between 5-10 grand nd charge cert clubs more money for tickets

07 Jun 2012 22:56:21
Instead of all the penny in the pound crap that is being banded about, how about the moral high ground proposal.......agree a payment plan to repay all the debt over a fixed period, say 10 years. Hmrc would almost certainly reduce/remove some of the fines if a payment plan was agreed to pay the full debt. Allowing £40m for taxman and £30m for everyone else, that's about £7m a year to pay the debt. Would the fans not happily pay an extra £200 per year each for season tickets to allow the club to survive and retain its history? Or is that far to simple?

Jd

Are you having a laugh , has or did all the previous businesses who went into admin, go down this road. think not , we should pay the pence in the pound as per legal requirement.

One minute we have to follow the 'rules' and the next we have to make up a new set just so rfc are seen to be doing the right thing.
i'm p'd off that creditors won't get their money - but rfc are not the only business ever to go into admin!!

bil72

Totally agree with this, here is my blueprint.

Sell naming rights on Ibrox, 15 years for £10m to be repaid over 7 year period.

Naming rights on Murray Park, 15 years for £5m to be paid over 7 year period.

Wages: Cut salaries from £20m per season to £12m per season, £1m per month cap.

Players: sell players to bring in some capital & also to bring the wage cap into line.

Reserve games: Return to Ibrox and ask fans who do not want to travel to away games to go to reserve games, adults £7, OAP's £5, kids £3.

Share issue: Sell off shares asking fans to buy 10 shares for £500 (30,000 brings in £15m). Also approach a large finance company and seek sponsorship from them in return for giving them the right to offer finance to fans who wish to buy their shares via a loan agreement.
Any shares that are not sold are retained by the club and can be sold at the next share issue say after 3-5 years allowing more capital to be released before the end of the 7 year pay-off period.

It is the fans that are suffering at the moment and I know that the above plan relies on the fans digging deep, but at the end of the repayment period the club will be in a better financial position and it will be owned by the fans, not some of the vultures that have been circling lately.

The debts are high and there has been a lot of scaremongering but I would rather attempt to pay off the debts and get the club run by the fans so that this scenario never happens again.

The Pilot!