Rangers Banter Archive July 08 2012

08 Jul 2012 19:59:37
rumour on twitter that aluko has held 'positive' talks with mccoist and may return if we go into first division.

would be surprised personally but you never know

Ed is green in the right with contesting the transfer of players to other clubs naismith davis whittaker etc {Ed001's Note - if he is, then I will be shocked, because as far as I can see he hasn't a leg to stand on.}

Wouldn't bank on it, The SFA will punish us with a transfer imbargo immediately after shoe horning us into the SFL1. They will make life as difficult as possible, as it suits their 'punishment' agenda.

How much is he going to pay for the pleasure this time!

08 Jul 2012 17:03:15
it shows you how bad the rest of spl teams are by saying it will be a big fight for second place , where is the ambition in a team as all you look at is 2nd place, have some balls and say at least we are looking forward to the fight for 1st place . we all know celtic will have it sewn up by xmas and large points gap between the rest but no ball has been kicked yet and their looking forward to a fight for 2nd place.?

Motherwell were equivellent to 2nd last season, their playing budget was 8% of Celtic's possibly less in the new season.
Unless there is a more equal share of the money there will be no competition.
Instead of Rangers/Celtic/Rangers /Celtic the SPL will be Celtic/Celtic/Celtic/Celtic.
We require some innovative thinking to save our game.

For a laugh take a look at "spl winners without celtic" for the coming season- it's a blanket job! We've all heard: it would be a great league without Rangers and celtic. I.e. they'd all just beat one another. There's no hierarchy whatsoever- the very definition of a dump league. I used to attempt that spl prediction game on bbc Scotland website- most success was generally had blind-folded before bashing the keys! :-)

Xmas? It will be over by guy fawkes night, a one horse race that nobody outside of Scotland will care about.

There is no solution. Money has tipped the balance in favour of the bigger clubs. England and Spain are prime examples of this. That's the way it is, Scotland was no different, the two biggest clubs got the Lions share of the cash and dominated. As long as their is money in the game nothing will change.

08 Jul 2012 16:34:49
Was reading a statement earlier that been released by hibs supporters. Even after all this, when we're asking for 3rd division they still find it necessary to only talk about the big bad rangers in a horribly condescending

Bit rich of them considering their chairman is one of the main architects of trying to shoe horn us into Div 1. Where did his sporting intergrity go? Soon disappeared after voting us out of the SPL.

08 Jul 2012 11:57:33
Here's a thought. If Sevco 5088 are let into the league Division one, could Spartans or cove take legal action against the SFL or even SFA relating to the fact they were not given a sporting chance to enter the league? I'm pretty sure that they would have a good case. Or would the powers at be just change the rules again?

Back up a bit here, I thought footballing matters were not to be taken to courts, or is that just when it suits? Also Sevco 5088 haven't applied to join the SFL Sevco Scotland have.

I posted a week or so ago that i heard Spartans were gonna consider this..........green jhedi

This is a wind up sums up scottish football going on about spartans ..scottish football teethering on the brink if they dont get it right it will never be the same less revenue cutbacks lower standards

Can you fools ever give over if rangers go to division 3 we will see alot of clubs go to wall the old firm make the other clubs alot of money

The problem is that it's breaking the SFL regulations.
I support an sfl2 team, I won't mention who or we might get boycotted.
As a fan I can appeal myself to the court of session to get the bribery agreement to allow rangers into sfl1. That's how ridiculously illegal the proposal is.
Regulations being applied unevenly depending upon the size of the club. Ridiculous.

Why not wait to see what the reconstruction proposals are.
I would think that these would include a vaccuum whereby teams presently outside the league set up are allowed to present a case for entry.
The bottom line on this is that the game needs restructured. End of.
Spartan's and others will be eligible to present a case for admission into the leagues. However it is logical that if they come up against Rangers as an alternative they will have to suddenly amass 52,000 supporters,
sponsorship appeal,a half decent stadium,investment,and be a bigger attraction to the likes of SKY.Oh, and one wee last itsy titsy point.
Will Spartans or Annan generate £5.7million worth of financial input a season to the SPL?
Therefore you can "consider" anything you want,for it to be taken seriously it has to be viable! Logically and financially!
P.O.B.

@5. Rangers fans do not want any favouritism regarding which league we play in. It's Div3 or no go for me. We are being stitched up by the SPL/SFA into breaking the SFL's own rules. If they fiddle it and put us in SFL1, the sanctimonious ones will never let up.

@5. We agree with you, it's breaking the rules. The powers that be seem to be able to change them whenever it suits them (Do as i say, don't do as i do - comes to mind). I don't want any SFL club blackmailed to bail out the SPL/SFA or to 'back door' us into SFL1. If the SFL Clubs decide it's Div 3 then so be it.

@happy sheep. I haven't read Burley's column (it's only the occasional broadsheet for me and they are becoming just as sensationalistic as their tabloid counterparts with every passing day) so I cannot comment upon the content of the column itself. I do, however, agree with some of what you say in your analysis of it (honesty and the amount of work and effort put in by the lower end SFL chairmen) and tend to disagree with the majority of the rest (particularly in relation to financial scaremongering - to me it is realism). The point is that we are each entitled to our own opinion and it is even occasionally healthy to disagree vociferously. It is our democratic right.

The entire problem with this situation is that these chairmen are not going to be able to, through a traditionally democratic, one person one vote, ballot, democratically voice their opinion on the matter. If they had this right (which they should have and are entitled to have in my opinion as they collectively constitute the SFL) then I am sure that the outcome would be Division 3.

However, the SFL board (under pressure from the SFA and the SPL boards) are purposefully only allowing the clubs it represents to vote as to whether or not Rangers should be accepted into the SFL - NOT to determine which league they will be placed in if they are. They DO NOT get to vote for Division 3. The result, if Rangers are accepted initially, has clearly already been predetermined (Division 1) and will only be changed if the SFL do not receive the guarantees they are after in terms of league reconstruction, secured parachute payments, etc from the SFA and the SPL.

If Rangers do find themselves in Division 1 then the chairmen of the SFL clubs 'voting' on Friday certainly cannot be held accountable for it. Unless they veto Rangers acceptance altogether we will never really know what the outcome would have been and that is entirely wrong in my book.

Brian

08 Jul 2012 11:17:14
No one can conflict you. You can only allow yourself to be conflicted.
That is why the Kilmarnock Chairman abstained from voting, allowed himself to become conflicted.
The other ten SPL chairmen got it right. Holding their dignity and integrity intact. They may have saved the Scottish game.
The questions facing the SFL chairmen are exactly the same. Signs are that their dignity and integrity will hold up just fine.
This worries some and there's a call for them to subjugate their voting responsibility and hand over their voting rights and approve the SFL board to shoehorn Rangers into sfl1.
No new club has ever applied to SFL association and been immediately promoted to sfl1. It's just plain wrong!
The SFA, the SPL board and the SFL board have conspired to deliver this result against the universal wishes of all Scottish fans, the majority of chairmen and Scottish society.
Does the Kilmarnock chairman sleep easy at night? Does he burden a wrong decision for years to come on his conscience? Do SFL chairman want the same? Because guilt there will be if they slopey shoulder this decision onto the SFL board to plainly rubber stamp a done deal.

Its all down to the size of the support Rangers bring to the game and money surely you cant be that nieve or are you just jumping on the sporting integrety band wagon, and how do you know its the whole of scottish society did you take a count because you didnt ask my opinion.

The Killie chairmen IS conflicted. He has openly said since February that Killie required Rangers to stay in the SPL for his own club to remain solvent and not follow Rangers into admin/liquidation themselves. I am sure that he is not sleeping easily at night, but it will have absolutely NOTHING to do with abstaining from the vote, his conscience will quite rightly be clear. Even with Rangers in the First Division Killie will end up in, at best, admin this season. Unlike you, I wish them well.

How would YOU have HONESTLY voted if you were him (knowing the consequences for your club) and had the RESPONSIBILITY of doing what was in the best interest of your club, staff, and local community?

I asked this exact question on the Celtic pages a few months back before the economic threats given to their own clubs by their fans if Rangers were kept in the SPL, and was accused of being an internet bully. All I did was repeatedly persist in asking for an honest answer to a difficult question that they all (except Evingu and GJ to be fair) continuously fudged! They couldn't give an honest answer as it didn't tie in with the sort of childish crap you are spouting. The replies were all related to Rangers wrongdoings rather than answering whether, as a chairman of a provincial club with the duties to the staff etc that that entails, you would willingly put your own club into admin/liquidation in order to punish another when other options which wouldn't harm your club (heavy sanctions but retained within the SPL) were available to you. He would have in all probability voted 'YES' but it was clear how the vote was going to be and he abstained to make a point of not supporting the process. Well done to him as he is clearly receiving flak for being so HONEST.

As far as I am concerned he was the only one of the chairmen who actually showed ANY integrity or honesty at all. They ALL want Rangers in the First Division and NONE of them have came out and criticised the board that REPRESENTS these chairmen and are playing the pivotal part of the process of squeezing us into the First Division.

The biggest hypocrite of them all (if this was a victory for sporting integrity as you suggest - you are either blinkered, naive or a child if you think it had anything to do with sporting integrity in my opinion) is Rod Petrie. He, on the record, votes no to the SPL admittance on the grounds of 'sporting integrity' and then draughts most of the proposals for acceptance to Division 1 himself. That alone kills the 'sporting integrity' argument you make dead. Not very sporting for the lower league sides who will miss out on the increased revenue, never mind Spartans, Cove Rangers or the rules of the game.

It is time you asked your own chairmen WHY they have not commented on the 'integrity' of these proposals put forward by the board that represents their interests (do you honestly believe the chairmen haven't been consulted about these proposals - as I said, blinkered, naive or a child) instead of piling more pressure onto the SFL chairmen. I believe they don't want Rangers in the First Division (few of us, including myself, don't) but it is your (YOUR!!) collective chairmen that are pushing this agenda, not them. Grow up and open your eyes ffs!

Brian

What about the guilt they will feel if their clubs go to the wall?

The regulations have always been there to be applied. The problem is simply that the SFA/ SPL/ SFL don't want to apply the regulations to rangers as they apply them to other clubs. Always trying to go easy on rangers. Thank goodness for UEFA/ FIFA etc... If it was up to the SFA, rangers would be in the SPL, they would not have 3 years out of Europe, they would still have the history, no players would be allowed to walk, tax laws would be changed to suit rangers, 10 points would not have been docked for admin, and they would be issuing apologies to Rangers and declaring no case to answer.

Oh yeah, cause FIFA are the fountain of sporting integrity. "Lets hold a world cup in Quatar, that'll be a great idea". What a joke!!!

08 Jul 2012 09:04:21
I dont want to be negative, so i apologise in advance if it does. If other clubs could end up in the same position as us if we go to the 3rd.does that mean their boards are as guilty as our old boards? Us as scots gave the world telephones,penecilin,tarmacadam and the television but some how we cant give the world a game of football to watch on the television....why? Our national game is being run by the english.
Inverbear

What a load of total nonsense..........green jhedi

Well done jhedi you managed to decypher that i don't have a f***** clue what he was talking about. shamrock

Huge issue. The BBC, the national broadcaster, gives a huge amount of money to the English FA.

The SFA should surely be given our proportionate share per population circa 8.4%

This is a scandanal. Why haven't the SFA been creating mary hell? Sky are a private company and can pay what they want as opposed to the BBC who are owned by the taxpayers.

Wow basic racism at the end there. Its actually being run in switzerland pal. what huv telephones got to do with football.
KEEP TELEPHONES OUT OF OUR GAME

08 Jul 2012 00:52:24
Iam a celtic fan and tbh i think the sfa have been harsh

.Europe 3 year ban
.Liquidation
.trasnfer embargo
. players leaving

best of luck for the future and hope you get back in the spl ill miss the old firm over the next few years hopefully we meet in the scottish cup:).

SFA haven't done anything yet!
Only transfer ban, which was overturned.
The truth is that SFL teams can put Rangers into div3 and the SFA can still order them to pay fines, take year on year penalty points, suspend them, terminate them, ban from Scottish cup,fines etc,.... All this has to happen still. Consequences are not punishments.

One thing all Bear or 'tic fans , all fans for that matter must agree with is the the whole governance of Scottish football is a national disgrace. 3 bodies and not one fair decision maker amongst then! How much do the three of them milk out of the game , cushy jobs, cars, travel perks! For what. I say as a tic man , enough with skelping the bears , let's all turn our guns on the incompetents that run our game. If they had proper oversight Rangers would not have got into this mess. Hail hail. Joe

I am a Celtic fan and think that you are I'll-informed. 3 year ban, liquidation and players leaving were not the SFA, this is as a result of financial mismanagement. Amassing massive debts despite paying the taxman and the creditors SFA.

Shug

What do you mean it was not the sfa who imposed europe ban , they didnt liquidate rangers ,and they didnt make players leave , so the one thing they did rangers went to court , rangers are in line for everything they get

Celtic fan also, I also must admit that im going to miss the challenge from rangers and the old firm games especially. But please dont confuse punishment with consequenses. Rangers have not received any form of punishment yet. What has happened are the consequences of their actions.
They are not banned from europe they are ineligble as they do not have 3 years accounts which is a pre-requisite for european football.
As far as im aware no player has left sevco, the players simply decided to further their careers at clubs playing at a decent level.
The 10 point deduction rangers received was a consequence of going into administration not a punishment.
Not sure about the transfer embargo or how it can be enforced on sevco, as sevco is not rangers.
The way i see it sevco are a brand new club with no history and therefore no crimes or misdemeaners to answer to.So sevco should be allowed to sign players.
On the question of which league they shoud play in the answer to that is already written in the sfl rules. Any new club seeking entry to the sfl will apply for entry at div 3.
Very simply if sevco is to become the re-incarntion of rangers what they need is bums on seats supporting the team as it fights its way back to 2nd place (sorry couldnt resist a wee dig) in the spl.
I find it almost inconceivable that the new rangers will not win the spl at some point, this may be 5 years or 10 years from now but just hold onto the thought of how sweet that victory will be. Nothing worth having in life comes without hard work and belief, so maybe its time to stop grumbling its so unfair, roll up the sleeves and get on with it.
Just my thoughts, look forward to the replies.
johnnybhoy

I see walter in papers today saying sfa are makiing up the rules as they go along but imo they appear to be trying to accomadate us by bending the rules in our favour normally a new club would have to start in the third div and the transfer embargo was to avoid having to expell us from football why dont walter goram ect just shut up cant they see it is their innane comments that causing so much bad feelings towards our club they may have been part of a great era for our club but now we must builld bridges rather than piss everyone off with this attitude

#2 These guys in charge have united Scottish football fans in at least one way. We all think they are absolute incompetents, I had though Doncaster was the worst of the three but after Regan's social unrest slur on Ranger's fans, I've changed my mind. Pathetic leadership. BB

I think we have been harshly punished any other club would be dead and buried if they had as much punishment its funny though that the more they try to punish us they punish themselves more bet the Spl is good watching this year lol

There is no 3 year ban in Europe new clubs can't compete for, 3 years.

@5 "The 10 point deduction rangers received was a consequence of going into administration not a punishment.
"

Really? If Burger King went into administration would they get a ten point deduction?

The ten point deduction is NOT a natural result that comes with administration, it is a punishment that is enforced through the rules of football for clubs who enter into administration. In other words it is a punishment, it just so happenes to a punishment that is detailed under the rules.

DO

07 Jul 2012 22:56:18
What ever decision is made regards our future, we as supporters have not asked or wanted special treatment.we shall follow our team where ever they go. so let the powers that be place us where they see fit. but never say we asked for special treatment

Rangers/Sevco have been arrogant from Day 1..You will never do this to us ..We are the mighty Gers etc..We are untouchable...You have not asked for special treatment - You have DEMANDED it!

If you were not getting favours you would have to start at junior level.The rules are there,no accounts for three years,no league status.

#3 so if someone is convicted of murder, is it a consequence of the crime or is it a punishment ...... Both the same thing is it not !

@2 I have still not seen this rule. I have checked the SFL rules but I cannot find it. Can you please provide a link and a citation. Thanks.

What junior leaugue does motherwell ,dundee and livingston play in then ,next thing you,l be suggesting is resurrect the dennistoun waverley tournament which i played in ,and bring back ash parks their good for your thighs when you do a sliding tackle doug t.s.o

@3 No they are not the same thing. Being convicted of murder is a punishment as a consequence of being caught.
Al