Rangers Banter Archive January 08 2015

08 Jan 2015 20:25:33
well this is the way I see as of 4pm today we or rather the club have 3 offers 2 from ashley and one from king and the three bears because after some investigation reading the telegraph my conclusion is savers and ashley are one and the same

08 Jan 2015 20:47:22
Big wull I really hope this is not the case mate if true Sarver has led myself and many another Bear a merry dance really thought there was light at the end of the tunnel, surely not another kick in the bollards.

Soton bear its all traceable starting with a johnstones story duff an phelps handling the admin of one of his shop chains bought from t hunter friend of both saver and ashley down to ashley supplying saver if u take time to go through it google duff and phelps m ashley clothing chain in administration

08 Jan 2015 21:21:35
What did u read in the telegraph to come to that conclusion mate
r. f

I only see one firm offer on the table bigwull, what are the other two?

JG

Cheers mate absolutely gutted but will Google it now

08 Jan 2015 22:01:28
he has denied knowing of people involved with our club so do we believe him or not was it not more than savers team that were getting supplied if he is bad guy king 3 bears won't let him in as for duff Phelps mike Ashley has choosing them to do admin for one of his company's why even go near them when you are involved in rangers what a complete Muppet this proves what I thought from day one he has been involved in rangers from day one it couldn't care less what the fans say or think of him he will do it his way and no one else we all no they are just going get another loan from him again

08 Jan 2015 22:04:02
Totally disagree with you guys this guy is way to influential to come out with a bunch of lies he has stated catagoricaly that he has never met nor spoke to Ashley nor any other of the parasite milking our club. if he had anything to do with Ashley then Ashleys puppets on the board would have accepted Sarvers offer of £16 Mil.

Maybe its the complete opposite maybe just maybe these rumours have been started by Ashleys puppets in the hope we turn on the guy like we did with Bill Miller with all the go home yank crap.

i think Ashley has the clout and the money to take on the three bears and king but in Sarver he has come up against someone with as much if not more dosh, clout and contacts in the business world.

i seriously hope we don't put this guy off with our paranoia

08 Jan 2015 22:04:02
Bigwull can see the link to sir tom hunter to ashley but can't see sarvers name anywhere mate
r. f

I don't think mr king and his crew will even look at this server chap until they get control, just I case he is Ashley's version of kermis, I do wonder why this server threw his hat in the ring a couple of days after Ashley was refused more shar holding by the sfa, maybe we should beware strangers bearing gifts, for now anyway.

Big will not to sure why you think Ashley and starvation are same. In my humble opinion we all need 3 bears and king to step up to the mark and get rid of the current board. This would gee up the supporters before ceptic game

Bigwull I haven't seen you post one positive comment on here sarver has no link to Ashley or green or whyte or whoever else you would like to tie him to wild paranoia helps no one all we can do is see how this situation pans out quick question if sarver was in bed with Ashley why would he want to work with the three bears and king and take a controlling share from the current board who are all ashleys men?

Also seen on bmcm site him and the comments section are all in favour of mr Sarven, witch is maybe rather odd, as him and charleboy are really close friends, and up until now the sun has been shining out Ashley's arse for him and his followers, beware

09 Jan 2015 00:26:14
well if rumors are true and board accept his offer then blame will be shifted to king and 3 bears so very clever move by the board king and 3 bears can u see them paying 20 million to get the controlling stake off Ashley easdale ect this is where the problem lies he is offering that money for that collective group of shares the price has now been driving up by saver I see people mention the kid deal that Antigua International have is with all the teams in the nba not just saver team so maybe this guy is telling truth he is willing to work with 3 bears and king so am sure they have been looking into him

Rf read the story a johnstone former chairman made

09 Jan 2015 09:40:46
I read the former chairmans report bigwull and although he does ask the question why now? he does say sarver is a man of sporting integrity and has the financial means to take the club on.
r. f

Rf the link between ashley exists also its to much of a coincidence

08 Jan 2015 15:17:38
Just read an interesting article in the Telegraph claiming Pardew left Newcastle as Ashley is about to sell the club imminently. We haven't really discussed the option or peoples thoughts on this route. If he sells Newcastle neither us or the SFA will be able to stand is way? Thoughts bears?

08 Jan 2015 16:28:06
Well the man says less than a mute,but did say he'll be there until after next season at least.

Op. I think the newspaper is putting spin on it, maybe to scare the new shareholder, they are meant to think, oh feck Ashley is serious, let's pay the fat controller (for want of a banned word) what he wants to get rid of him,

Yes BallochBlue, according to Alan Shearer, Ashley gave Pardew the nod about his future at Newcastle and Shearer's take on it was that Ashley is about to cash in and move on.

Billyb so Ashley told par dew to go elsewhere and double his wages, very considerate of him, don't you think so.

George, Ask Shearer, mate, it was his quote.

Billyb. I will give him a phone once I've finished my breakfast eh,

08 Jan 2015 13:25:19
Ed this is way too long for a poll but it would be good to get a feel for the way regulars on RR are thinking
Excluding a rights issue which seems to be on the back burner right now and probably would not have much affect on shareholdings, The way I see it we have 5 possible scenarios in front of us
3 Bears and king stay with 34% and make a coalition with A N Others existing shareholders to have 51% control
3 bears and king buy more shares to get to the magic 51% and have control
Ashley challenges the SFA ruling and buys more shares to get to 51% and have control
Sarver has a complete takeover and has 100% control
Admin #2
Which do you prefer?
How probable is it?
How will that take us forward for the future?

JG

Jg. the 3 Bears will not sell sarver their shares so the scenario that sarrver has 100% control will not happen. however I think the best scenario for us is that blue pitch, marguerite, easdale and Ashley sell sarrver their shares. whether that happens or not we will have to wait and see. admin 2 is never going to happen. a judge will never allow that to happen when there is investment on the table.

Bigcol1872 I don't think these feckers would see up there shares unless server was willing to pay way over the top for them, plus server would want at least half of the club (ieover 51 per cent), as he is into it for money, which is fair enough, but I would rather have mr king and the 3bears, guys that we know, there eyes are not bigger than there bellies, they will make money ok, but they are willing to wait for it, unlike fat mike and the plebs from greenock

08 Jan 2015 10:39:03
I for one would be willing to give sarver a chance after reading what he has to say for me the fact part of the 6. 5 would pay ashley loans, he also said "work with major stakeholders & fans" major stakeholders being park&co along with king and remember he has held talks with park & co so they must like what they heard or surely they would've been shouting from the rooftops after spending time to get rid of present board plus the fact 6.5mil upfront is the same as parks offer, coincidence?

R. f. It ticks all the boxes for me. one question. why has there not been a egm called. this silence is killing me. also read Kieron priors article and he seems a genuine guy too who is willing to come on board. tore the sleasboys up for a%$ehole paper.

The silence for me is everything we want, rather than shouting about doing this thing or another, the King and 3 bears "team" have went about this like clever businessmen

So you won't accept any financial packages no matter how good they are for Rangers? Well **** you then we will just start buying up every share we can get until we are 100% sure we have 51% and we can call an EGM knowing that this board have no bargaining power left they are out every last man of them. Pointless risking an EGM till they are 100% sure on the numbers we have seen in the past that voting promises cannot be trusted.

This silent professional approach is what we have been needing for 2 years and I for one am the happiest and most confident we are the closest to Rangers "fan supported" ownership ever.

As I have said in previous posts we are sadly going to have to put up with Ashley's rattle out the pram reaction over the next week or two until the "Kingbears' EGM is called and hope/pray he doesn't get to loan against Ibrox.

I have to say the more I read about this guy Sarver the more I like the sound of him. He is clearly prepared to work with sensible like minded business men, which rules out our board of persons, and I feel we could do a lot worse than have an American 'partner' in the future ownership of Rangers. A new share issue would obviously be the right thing to do after the person board are removed. The massive support Rangers have in North America plus the growing market there would be a potential big money earner for Rangers when we bin Ashley's con kit deal.

RTID redsox555

08 Jan 2015 14:11:22
@redsox555 who's the **** you comment aimed at? Hope its not me as we appear to be in agreement with sarver, king & the 3 bears pulling together.
r. f

08 Jan 2015 18:30:09
I'll answer that before anyone gets hurt.
I believe redsoxx is saying that will be Park etcs view towards the board,and that they will keep buying shares until they have 51 percent required.That's how I read it.

I think the rangers men are going about it the right way, Though I wonder if the fat chap having the board there will be advantaged by this.

Redsox, you say silence is very professional, does that apply to Ashley as well because he has said zero, zilch, nada, about his intentions

JG

JG Ashley has shown us nothing but rip off deals and 'loans' signed off on out assets plu he is behind turning down 16million package from King that would have got rid of Somers ans easdale. Some silences are about treating us with contempt whereas others are about working diligently on our clubs behalf like King and 3 Bears

My **** you was addressed at the current regime for turning down all offers of help that are good for Rangers and not for themselves

redsox555

So now king and co turn down 20 million investment and that is ok?

Just come out and say you want king, only king and nothing but the king, if that's what you want

JG

Jg do you know for a fact that server is not part of Ashley's crew. No I didn't think so, maybe once mr king gets control server will be asked if he still wants involved, imagine mr king excepted servers offer, then found out he is Ashley's cousin, a bit far fetched maybe, but caution is the order of the day IMHO.

08 Jan 2015 08:44:22
BBC sport is saying our American friend has upped his bid to 20mill with an additional 6. something in loans to clear the clubs debts.

Surely they have got to accept this 20m is way more than the clubs worth right now.

Why accept as ed said look at american owners in englad learner at villa one at sunderland the first two at liverpool the glaziers they either borrowed far to much money or got fed up putting money in or att Manchester United if they don't get into champions league coupled what has been wasted on transfers and sponsor money dwindling it could be the biggest fire sale ever

Why not accept do you want to keep living off silly loans then get everything took from us this is the best news we have had in ages we should bite his hand off at this chance. He is also willing to work with king and the 3 bears.

Look at wages in England and chances of champions league. Look at Arsenal. I say give the yank a chance couldn't get any worse

Bigwull what evidence do you see that Ashley is the man to take usb forward. he is never going to put anything into Rangers without getting security on our assets. the shirt deal where we get 75p for every shirt is the most ridiculous contract I have ever heard of. ok we don't know much about sarver but to me it looks like this is last chance saloon for us.

Said it before. Ashley's plan is to continue to give us loans secured against remaining assets (Ibrox & MP).

He'll then pull the plug at a point where he's left with the assets and we end up with a football team which has to pay rent to him for Stadium and Training facilities.

Personally. I'd go back to playing and training in a public park and screw him!

Bigcol I do not favour ashley but I cannot see why he is being demonised he turned round newcastle that had horrendus debts he does no pay excessive wages and they seem to get value for money in transfers newcastle fans are unhappy because he does not blow fortune in transfer fees I would really prefer three bears but would not see a problem if ashley gained control big col on other can u tell me why not ashley

{Ed001's Note - Newcastle were not in any danger at all, that is just false propaganda issued from Ashley. Newcastle fans are unhappy because the club makes large amounts of money that go straight into Ashley's pockets and because he openly admits he has no interest in them being competitive in any competition. His only aim is to avoid relegation. Even the cups he dismisses as meaningless. Oh and he quite openly dismisses the fans too. Keegan has said privately and publicly that he honestly believes that a number of Ashley's decisions were based on just getting his own back on the fans that question him.}

I never said they were in any danger but they had horrendus debt and sir j hall wanted out but the debt was far more than what was shown

{Ed001's Note - not true, that is Ashley propaganda.}

Ed that's entirely possible but in scotland where there is no fantastic tv money to be profitable he must get into champions league and again with a good manager it would not cost a fortune and I am sure its a whole lot better than where we find ourself now in essence I would prefer 3 bears bt if it was ashley I would not have a problem but I still find it funny when 3 bears and ing start buying shares and yank appears on scene remember king and co could do a deal with yank as easily board

{Ed001's Note - he has no interest in that, it is about selling sportswear. You don't have a clue.}

08 Jan 2015 10:35:34
Have just read Sarvers comments re his upped bid to take a controlling share in the club and have to say he seems a genuine fella prepared to stump up the cash, prepared to work with king, and the 3 Bears, wants to get us back as an elite club again, his intentions seem pretty transparent, basically everything Ashley isn't, let's not make the same mistake as with Millar before, his moves should be welcomed with open arms by anyone and everyone who has any love for this club.

Does the shirt deal not ring the alarm bells bigwull?

Ashley trying to put another two of his men on the board

Ed I do have a clue if the club is left to languish there will be very little merchandise sales so what good would ashley get out of that because I am quite sure sales are well down on previous years I am quite certain he wants champions league exposure otherwise there will be little profit for him they way things would end up so why would he want control some fans are convinced he would want to call in his loans and flatten ibrox there would be no cudos in that for him unless I have missed something

{Ed001's Note - you really don't have a clue, you think he is going to spend fortunes for little gain, if any. Merchandise sells either way, even when you were in the bottom division. This man has never shown any history of investing money long term, it has always been about running everything he owns for as little as possible to maximise his personal profit. He has no interest in competing and you are just dreaming out of sheer lack of any kind of knowledge of the financial costs it would take compared to the amount of gain that would be received. There is a reason why they say if you want to make a small fortune out of football you have to start with a large one....}

Ed I know he won't spend a fortune I also reckon with the right manager I don't think we need a fortune after the debt is cleared and club run correctly by the way I never said I expected him to spend a fortune king and the the 3 bears I don't think will spend a fortune the state of our challenge to win league is totally down to macoist we have on or two good players who with better coaching would do all I want is for the club to be made viable and go from there with continued fans share purchase that's what I want most of all because the amount of fans that want a white knight to come in and spend spend spen are deluded nowadays they don't exist rangers first to me would be the best way forward

Bigwull. you ask any fair minded fan if they think a white knight will come in and through money about and the answer would be no. celtic are now the bench mark for how our club should be run.

ED you are correct this guy will go on believing his own opinion until Ashley has loans against every single Rangers asset. The fact he cannot just man up and admit every fact you presented to him totally ended his stupid argument is typical of why we ended up with mccoist and this board this long, fans that are so easily deluded by some bs from the board and believe anything they read without checking the actual facts. You cannot win when a person is this stubborn and naive about their own incorrect opinion. I gave up arguing with unreasonable people over a year ago in their world if it barks and it has a tail it has to be a cat as the board and Ashley said so! So frustrating but everyone even people that are totally wrong are allowed their opinion.

redsox555

Big col totally agree but some don't first and foremost I want the club to be run as a viable buisness and go from there I don't trust the american offer because I does not stack up and it may involve m ashley I prefer 3 bears and king but if the worst came to it I would accept ashhley make the club viable and go from there hopefully with more rangers first involvement

Redsox I am entitled to my opinion and don't need to man up agee something I don't beleive if u read my consistantly I want rangers to be a viable buisness whih ashley would do and again beleive more fan participation by way of share purchase but please do not tell me to alter my opinion to suit the views of others and how u can say my opinion landed us with macoist and the board the board are only in the job because no one offered any more money than green and if the 3 bears and king had put there hands in there pockets much earlier it would not have cost them as much and we would not have the board I certainly don't beleive everything I beleive and certainly not when posted by u

Redsox I have read another of your posts if u think if ashley loses he will sit down agre a way out of the merchandise deal u really are deluded ashley will fight all the way and no way will he give up deal unless he gets a stack of money the shirt deal will run to the end of the contract

Your opinion and that is fine I just totally disagree :-) though on Ashley he is a nightmare as he can afford to be a total bitch and loan silly amounts with this person boards agreement and securing MP and Ibrox if he really wants to be a cnut. he will have to reconsider on kit deal though if as I expect all Bears stop buying any kit from his outlets I will never buy anything from Sports Direct EVER far less a Rangers kit. I will be buying whichever kit sends money to our team if that is an option or I will wear my 60s retro top and old scarf until Ashley deal runs out or is cancelled. Feel sorry fr Bears with young kids as hard to explain why not buying them kit.

redsox555

08 Jan 2015 16:25:28
i do not no how people can defend Mike Ashley Newcastle owe him millions in loans yet he takes all there tv money plus the majority from player sales does not care if they are competitive in the league or cups as long as he doesn't get relegated he is happy are people seriously willing to give him the chance to do the same to us

for rangers to be successful and operating in profit or breaking even
we are going to have to be in champions league group stages and bringing players threw and selling them on for larger fees and to get to this sort of standing again the club needs significant investment and am afraid Ashley will not provide the sort of funds needed to completely overhaul the club

Ashley has seen newcastle relegated and never batted an eyelid, as he still made money, they won promotion and parachute payments filled his coffers (players earned less I championship)

dont think ashley needs newcastle in epl, its just more attractive prospect to sell when it is, but still has £120m debt to him either way

Bigwull, what do you think about mr prior, he said get Ashley out, and rip up his contract re retail, he said let Ashley take the club to court, to see how the courts look at this contract, I agree with mr prior, I think a court would rule in favour of the club. maybe tell both parties to sit down and work something out.

Bigwull I should also have said mr prior is a very intelligent man, iq, knows his stuff, a very good clever bisiness man

08 Jan 2015 00:13:08
bigcol1872 glad he has gone to norwich was not and never would have been a rangers man

Zodiac we have to get away from this "rangers man" thing. we are the people who will keep Rangers "rangers". if we ever get out this mess I want value for my money. I want a team on the park that excites. i'm not looking for a team made up of millions of pounds but a blend of youth and relative experience. personally I think he would have done well but we will never know. I know one thing for sure billy Davis and Stuart McCall are not the answer.

Also a wee further point to ponder. probably the two biggest Rangers legends have managed our club. john Greig and ally. both were found to be hopeless managers.

This is so unfair to John Grieg in 78/79 he won the 2 major cups we played fantastic football in Europe only just losing out to Cologne in European Cup after beating Juventus and the great PSV away win. He introduced us to plying slow from the back passing game rather than blooter the ball up park by big Peasie MCCloy :-) He also took us to within 30 mins of a treble only to lose out to tims on a sad finish to the season. He was also unlucky as Rangers were spending all our funds on rebuilding Ibrox to the best all seated stadium in UK at this point in our history. We won cups in 2 of next three years despite the fact he was now facing Aberdeen and Dundee United teams that were far superior to previous and current teams actually playing to European competition finals standard football.

It really annoys me when they mention mccoist in same breath as John Greig our Greatest ever Ranger, he was a football manager that won trophies and we did play a lot of very good football under him. mccoist is the worst manager in the history of Rangers and he couldn't even win a Ramsdens cup! let's not forget the worst cup performances in our history. The worst tactics in our history and frankly the worst signing policy in our history.

So can people have a little respect for John Greig as I think it is a major insult to include him in any mention of mccoist as manager fail.

RTID redsox555