Rangers Banter Archive January 08 2011

08 Jan 2011 22:00:03

Weir and Bougey? Are these the same two clowns big Sammy turn inside out last Sunday don't you remember last Sunday un ur hole. Sammy scored twice ran past Weir and Bougey and do you remember BOUGEY giving way a penalty? Does anyone remember? Ha, we have let in the least amount of goals this season so we know who has the best defence and the only reason Wilson is on the bench for Forest is because he wanted to come to us in the Summer. money money it's so funny it's a Celtic world.

08 Jan 2011 19:54:29

Stop the panic PLEASE for god sake Celtic have out spent us for last 2 years and what have they done nothing . They beat us at ibrox after mistakes by our own team not with them playing well Neil lennons signings have been a joke they can sign.another 10 in the Jan window so what any bears who fear them need take a reality check . Money or not signings or not it will still b 3 in a row god have yous honestly watched the scum this year they are brutal so please all bears stop the.panic and enjoy 2011

08 Jan 2011 19:49:57
Just seen neil lennon leaving ibrox, he was in the trophy room making sure they were polishing them. .we don't accept shoddy silverware at paradise. . . apparently there wasnt a european champions trophy there. . . just some diddy cup in 73 that doesn't matter anymore! !

bhrydo bhoy. . . gettin the champagne ready!

08 Jan 2011 19:08:51
As a life long fan and season ticket holder for many years, it saddens me to see the present state of the club. We can all come on here and pass our opinions or state facts (true or otherwise) but lets look at the facts as they are being presented to us fans. Walter Smith again has come out and slated Lloyds TSB about their approach to the clubs situation. Walter has also stated that there will be no signings during this window. Kenny Miller (our top goal scorer) MUST be sold in this window so that we get some money for him, which will go straight to the bank, and I suspect Sasa Papac to leave this window for the same reason. We must recoup some money for players and can't afford for players to leave for nothing. Every player at Ibrox is basically for sale and supporters can not be definate who will still be here at the end of January, if any decent offer comes in, the bank WILL force the sale. The take over seems to be dragging on for so long, and is spoken more about on forums than it is in the national press. Andy Goram is writing in todays Sun about the state of the club and doesn't mention Whyte/Ellis once. The deal to buy Blackburn was done in less time so saying that it is the dilligence tests that are the hold up says there is something not right about the deal. No journalists are sniffing round the story and I personally think it will fall through. There is no money to be made in Scottish football and I can't see a Scottish team in the Champions League for a while anyway. Talk of demonstrations, posting letters to Ibrox is pretty pathetic, next thing will be to boycot matches or something as silly. When and if the takeover happens, is part of the deal that Super Ally still becomes boss next year, I can't imagine it is, and if it does not happen, Ally would be as well following Walter out the door and finding a managers job elsewhere as without the take over money he is going into his first managerial post needing to completely restructure the club. He will rely heavily on youth coming through and apart from one or two we really aren't get a good return from our youth academy. We even lost a youth player to Celtic last week! How the hell did that happen?? (I think his name was McGoegh?? ). I would hate for Ally to be in charge during possibly the clubs darkest times financially after all the happy memories he has given us over the years. In my opinion I really can see Ally struggling if there is no take over to release funds, and then according to the press it is only £5million a year, that is nowhere near the kind of figure we immediately need to strengthen our 1st team, and it is our 1st team that needs it, not the squad, we need players who go straight into the 1st 11 and hit the ground running as they say. It is going to be a long hard slog, just look at across the city when McCann took over, but as long as there is a Rangers, I'll be there watching.

08 Jan 2011 18:54:27

Why don't we just ask hermajesty to dissolve her custom peoples debt that we owe and send the princes in to manage our club windsor united
gstq. . . . . .

08 Jan 2011 17:53:25

St Mirren game on Tue 18Jan will be called off due to their cup replay. Inverness home game will be moved in or St Johnstone away game that depending on there result on Sun.

08 Jan 2011 17:52:28

Im so gutted that rangers are going to sell kenny goal king miller! but what i just can't get my head round is we could sell him for 650,000!

i think all rangers fans going to the game on monday should protest by getting a A4 size peice of paper and writing on it in big bold letters (WE DESERVE BETTER) put it in an envelope and hand it in at the front door of ibrox before the game i have been a season ticket holder for years and this is the lowest its been at ibrox remember this is not about the results just on the pitch this is for our survivel so i beg all you true loyal rangers fans don't say this is stupid and discard it pass this message on to all your freinds, family, every blue nose you know make this happen No Surrender!

08 Jan 2011 17:49:18
NEWSFLASH
according to some fans the impending massive tax bill including fines is not a factor in the sale of rangers fc!considering the fact that the tax bill is roughly the same amount of cash whyte and ellis would have to stump up for control of the club why can't people see this is a problem?also consider murrays crumbling empire is in debt to the tune of 609 million quid.bain says nobody will be sold in january, why is he being sold now for buttons?why exactly are lloyds not prepared for anymore small cash input for players if a takeover is as close as rangers fans are being told?what exactly is going on?

08 Jan 2011 17:30:55

Just seen Lennon leaving Ibrox. He wanted to see what a trophey room looked like. His cpboard is empty

08 Jan 2011 16:37:17

Just herd that we mite b signing 2 english brothers, not sure wat ther second names are but ther paul n barry somwthin, no sure if true but a guy that drinks in my local who works 4 bbc ses its a definite so who knows, 1 is a striker who can replace kenny
watp

08 Jan 2011 16:09:31

You losers boycotting the bank are an embarrasment to our club - what do you think it will achieve? NOTHING.
We will just have to be patient regarding transfers - if we lose anyone we will get a replacement, it's no biggy.
Half of you were booing Kenny Millar when he first arrived anyway! It is hardly a crisis, just because we chucked the old firm match - we will still be top when we've played the same amount of games and with new owners on the way (100%) we will SMASH Celtic. You protesting 'we derserve better' types are either CLUELESS or Celtic fans in disguise - SHAME ON YOU

08 Jan 2011 16:06:56

WE DESERVE BETTER . . .

THE WHOLE POINT IN STOPPING BUSINESS WITH THE BANK YOU TAKE IT THIS WAY SAY 30000 FANS STOP TRADING WITH THE BANK SAY THEY'RE SALARIES THAT GET PAID IN ARE ROUGHLY 1000 A MONTH THEY WOULD MISS 30MILLION A MONTH TIMES THAT BY 12 MONTH IN THE YEAR IS 360MILLION IN SALARIES THEY WOULD LOSE INTREST IN . THATS NOT INCLUDING SAVINGS MORGAGES , LOANS AND THATS NOT ALL THE BANKING STUFF THEY COULD LOSE UP TO 500MILLION A YEAR SO THAT 22MILLION GLASGOW RANGERS OWE IS POCKET CHANGE . TO WHAT THEY COULD LOSE. . . .

08 Jan 2011 15:56:17

08 Jan 2011 14:53:24

Apparently bain has said that the hmrc bill is 22m + fines = 44m+, who knows how much it will be.

how will we pay this back? i have a feeling administration will happen leading to a eventual demise of rangers.

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This is just mischief making tripe. There is currently no Tax Bill, the Crown are looking into a Tax avoidance scheme that was set up. This has been a long standing review and at present there is no decision on its appropriateness, no Bill to be paid, and no demand. The prospective new buyers are well aware of the issue as it is in the public domain and will be part of the due dilligence process.

08 Jan 2011 15:48:42


RANGERS FANS THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE DEMO ON MONDAY NIGHTS GAME AGAINST KILLIE .

AND TO GET ONE OVER THE BANK WE ARE GOING TO GET
ALL THE SUPPORTERS TO BOYCOTT LLYODS TSB BANK
WHICH WILL COST THEM HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

WE DESERVE BETTER . .

I can't imagine that any demonstration will bother Lloyds/TSB in any way. It is the clubs debt and must be paid back, simple as that. If it is not paid back the bank are quite within their rights to call in recievers/administration, which also carries a points deduction. As for deserving better, better what? David Murray and Lloyds have have financially backed Rangers signing top drawer players over the years and some duds along the way as well. Now that Murray and the bank are looking after their individual interests and only seeing our club as an asset/debt we are suddenly calling for demonstrations. Against who? Murray? Lloyds TSB? Advocaat? Tore Andre Flo? Who exactly is this pointless demonstration aimed at?


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Exactly Mate. Couldn't have put it better myself

08 Jan 2011 15:23:44

A wee update folks the takeover deal should be done for the 23rd - 24th of this month with smith to get 10mil to spend as whyte is anoyed at the size of the squad and worried about the title a little bit. he knows we have the players to win the lge at a canter due to the celtic tradition under lennon as wee buy annyc* t.com. whyte just wants there to be a cpl of more players for the rest of the season 4 or 5 to be braught in after the deal is done. don't expect superstar players but we should get goodwillie, wilson bk on loan, gomis, another cb and midfielder as we are fine up front with jelevic bettie lafferty naismith and goodwille at end of jan wae miller staying till end of contract. also loyds/hbos/tossers can go take a fck to there self.

What's your source of information? Seems a load of s* te to me and probably everyone else who read it. Do you ever actually listen to any official club statements? Walter has came out in the press to criticise the bank, with no mention of a timescale of the takeover. Lets just hope the bank don't declare us bankrupt after losing patience with us, it happened across the city and in the current financial climate could easily happen to us. Why can't Whyte and Ellis gaurentee a loan from the bank for us if they are so close to the deal being finalised. Loan doesn't need to be from Lloyds, Rangers can apply to any bank for a loan, with Whyte as a gauranteer. Defo something fishy about the whole thing and IMO Walter can't wait for the season to be over to get out of Ibrox

there has been mention of a timescale it was on bbc website yesterday and it read that whyte hopes to conclude the deal by the end of the month. previous to that it has been mentioned between a few ppl that arent usaly wrong that the deal would be done for the 25th at the latest then that story comes out a cpl of days later on bbc website that he is just waiting on murray getting back to him. so im starting to belaeve these 2 ppl. we all know smith was in the paper going of his head at the bank and quite rightly so. but there is alot of money going into ibrox but there is no sing of to whare it is going because the debt aint comeing down as much as the money going in would suggest and whyte wants to know whare it is going before he makes any sort of money available. hear is a wee breakdown of what sort of money i am talking about i got this from a fellow fan who posted it on another website.

All from June 2010
Turnover - £56, 287,000, last year - £39, 704,000
Profit - £4, 209,000, last year - -£14, 085,000

These are big upturns
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Interest paid to bank - £1, 260,000
Wages and salaries - £23, 667,000
Total Assets less Cur. Liabilities - £108, 704,000

Now, as you are saying about the overdraft, this comes under current liabilities. .
Trade Creditors - £2, 231,000
Bank Overdrafts - £4, 695,000
Short Term Loans - £5, 554,000

Long Term Liabilities
Long Term Debt - £21, 868,000
Other Long Term Loans - £18,000,000

So, the "overdraft" portion of our debt is around £10 million in total. That is not bad, certainly not when you compare everything else. The fact everything else is long term, means, in a sense, that its agreed, much like a mortgage, and, will reduce in time, and, should not affect things at all.

Now, here is the REALLY interesting bit. Our solvency ratio. For those who don't know, heres a wee overview. .

"One of many ratios used to measure a company's ability to meet long-term obligations. The solvency ratio measures the size of a company's after-tax income, excluding non-cash depreciation expenses, as compared to the firm's total debt obligations. It provides a measurement of how likely a company will be to continue meeting its debt obligations

Acceptable solvency ratios will vary from industry to industry, but as a general rule of thumb, a solvency ratio of greater than 20% is considered financially healthy. Generally speaking, the lower a company's solvency ratio, the greater the probability that the company will default on its debt obligations."

So, over 20 is good? Rangers current ratio is. . 51.93

How about our credit score? By the way, 0 is high risk up to 100, which is pretty much no risk.

well. . again. .

Current Qui score? 94 Secure

Last years? 91 Secure

QuiRating? - 674, 850

How about

HISTORICAL CREDIT SCORE (reading left to right, going back to 2007)

QuiScore 94 91 94 90
Comment Secure Secure Secure Secure
QuiRating (GBP) 674, 850 757, 405 999, 999 754, 605

We are NOT "crippled by debt", we are NOT skint, we are NOT an organisation that banks would be unwilling to extend credit to, in fact, we are the type of organisation that would get credit facilities regardless.

Figures don't lie. There is something going on here which is not being explained! The only people who can, are Murray and the bank!

what you think bout these figures do you think there is something dodgy going on? hence why whyte and ellis havent took over yet but when they get there answers from murray then the deal will go ahead but whyte wants it done by last week of this month so he can give walter the money he so badly needs.

08 Jan 2011 15:20:06

RANGERS FANS THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE DEMO ON MONDAY NIGHTS GAME AGAINST KILLIE .

AND TO GET ONE OVER THE BANK WE ARE GOING TO GET
ALL THE SUPPORTERS TO BOYCOTT LLYODS TSB BANK
WHICH WILL COST THEM HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

WE DESERVE BETTER . .

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What good will that do? its not the banks fault we are in this mess, Rangers fans have become reliant on David Murray stepping forward from time to time reassure the supporters that he is on top of it. Not now though! After Dick Advocaat was kicked into touch by Martin O'Neil's arrival at Celtic, Rangers were left in a financial mess which new manager Alex McLeish had to some how manage. Big Eck did a stellar job while the truth of Rangers bleak accounts were being exposed for all to see. David Murray decided it was time for a share issue in which to raise funds to clear £70 million worth of debts. He raised a tenth of that from supporters, so put up the rest. It is believed that this money came from Murray International Holdings. A company which has recently seen debts amounting to a staggering £750 million and loans in the £450 million bracket. .

08 Jan 2011 14:01:21

I am a die hard gers fan and i wish half of these transfer rumours were true? however i have resigned myself to the horrifying fact that rangers are in big trouble there will be no takeover and no signings! i wish it werent true but strap in folks cos its all downhill from here.
we are the people.

08 Jan 2011 13:46:06

The only thing im going to say is that the people on this board are the most gullible sheep there is. come on, why don't you guys get a life and wake up and smell the coffee. were skint, our tax situation could add 50m worth of debt to our 27 giving us a total of 77m worth of debt. wat will happen, we will be bankrupy, put into administration and good bye rangers.

we can't sign anyone as we don't know the implications that are ahead for us.