Rangers Banter Archive February 08 2014

08 Feb 2014 18:04:26
was at the game last night great result and performance, think alley gets a lot of stick on here considering not even 2 years ago wee had nothing, the leagues in the bag so think that the reason for the performances over the last few games. though temp was class last night hazard like. good to see deno back in about the goal. great start to the weekend and a even better day today W A T P

{Ed039's Note - Hazard like? Goodness me)

Daisy, Luke, Bo or UJ?

{Ed039's Note - lmao)

Let's be honest mate, hazard is like temps not the other way round.

{Ed039's Note - Always good for a laugh lads, I needed cheering up as well)

Another Ally master plan, ignore the punters re Templeton until he improves and then bring him in, let's be honest we do not appreciate that you cannot always play the guys that have a bit of class. however hazard like, boy I wish.

Definitely brightened up my day ed lol. Why not ae.

08 Feb 2014 14:45:42
OK at the risk of getting ahead of myself - can anyone confirm that Rangers are definitely eligible for Europe next season. I know it's been established that the three years of signed off accounts is a myth but still am not 100% sure on our eligibility.

P. S. Nice addition to Derek Adam's CV today. As I said last week he's undoubtedly the manager of the year in Scotland at the moment.

{Ed039's Note - The Ross County manager? What did he do?)

OP its Derek McInnes for me- at the moment. But earlier in the season it would have been Jackie McNamara so it's probably best to wait until the end of the season.

Think u got your dereks mixed up

Op if we go by lord nimmos ruling that our membership of the association was never broken then yes we would be eligible (should we qualify)

If we go on the principle that we renewed membership and we only have two years, uefa would have to grant an exception,
let's just take the cup games one at a time, if we manage to win it then it would have to be worked out

JG

08 Feb 2014 16:19:55
Derek Adams? LOL. Must still be the alcohol in my system from last night.

Derek McInnes I should have said.

Thats right to many banana skins in front of us yet or as it could turn out to be dillutions of grandeur

While there is a very long way to go in the cup before europe i'm pretty sure that the dispensation to enter europe without 3years accounts also had to be agrees with the nations football authority - sfa.

I don't believe Rangers are eligible to play in Europe, regardless of any transfer there is not 3 continuous years accounts, the previous company did not file their final year accounts.
Could be wrong though.

If we had to depend on s f a to stand our corner we woulld get the same a s what the governing body stands for s f all

If rangers where to win cup then the sfa refused us permition to play in europe that would let everybody know that they have no time for rangers them refusing us would prove it

{Ed039's Note - I dont think its up for discussion, 3 years audited accounts is the rule I am sure, newco or no newco)

Ed my post above was in relation to n8 sorry I should have posted so

All above - I am sure we done this to death last year and here we go again

To remove all doubt, read the uefa licensing regulations article 47 and 48. There is no requirement for three year accounts

However we do not meet the requirements in article 12 but exception to this can be granted as per article 15

Go to uefa.com and read it for your self

JG

Ed 39 - let's not go back to this again, 3 yrs accounts not required, 3 yrs membership required, uefa can grant exemptions, let's just go one game at a time though

JG

ED your right we don't have the needed accounts years to play in europe so no point winging. As for who we get are we still boycotting if we get Aberdeen or Utd? Can recall being at tannadice forgame and getting dogs abuse? Or is it all forgotten by our knuckle draggers and glory hunting back as the norm? Intresting times to come? And on the point of utd game did that rat Green give the ticket money to charity as promised or is that another bloody lie that goes against our great name?

{Ed039's Note - this is my understanding but I might be wrong as per JG, I will ask Ed002, he will know for sure)

JG. a Belfast club went newco, and in 2nd year qualified for Europe.

UEFA told then to eff off.

No 3 years accounts was the reason. was it not? Or some other reason - but they did not play. 2nd team got place.

UEFA does not like newcos.

Again, read article 47 and 48

Jg

Google - "Malaga: Europa League ban upheld by CAS"

Banned for failing to pay creditors. no mention of article 47 or 48. its how UEFA apply them that's at issue.

Or we will take UEFA to court (Sion tried that). its an expensive route, and you get personted if you follow that route (and we already have, using law courts against SFA).

Sammy stay focused, we are discussing the requirement for 3 yrs accounts, ed says required, I say not required
Your on about Belfast club, Malaga, google,

Have you read uefa, s requirements, remember green made sure all football debts were paid, that's article 49 by the way,
Our issue is the three year membership, that's the requirement we don't meet!

JG

JG

Heard a tape of green and whyte discussing getting back into uefa, as green had approached uefa as ceo.

doubt we will get fair hearing with that conversation in existance

@18 you got me beat there, I can't find the article in uefa licensing requirements document that is related to taped conversations, that's us humped
JG

08 Feb 2014 15:03:07
Queue the Derek Mckinnes for Manager posts every day for the next fortnight.

And why not Larky he has taken a shambles of a club and turned them into a real force in Scotland. Was unlucky in his first visit to Porkheid but did the business today. In the final of the League Cup already will probably finish second in the league- no bad for a young un.

With all due respect larky bear I'm a bit sick & tired of continually reading posts regarding the rangers managers position, at the moment we don't need to change our manager, we've got ally mccoist, try giving the man some credit & backing, if it came to pass that eventually in a few years rangers do decide to change manager then in my opinion both billy davies & terry butcher are streets ahead of derek mcinnes as managers & that my friend is my opinion and check their cv's which will back me up

Why not because were not changing our manager right now? Because every time someone gets a win over Celtic that should be our next manager, these posts happen all the time I was just stating what will happen without actually talking about Celtic & Aberdeen because I have no interest in talking about them. Big Ram I don't know of you took my post the right way I'm not Ally's Biggest fan as a manager but it's clear he's going no where. I was trying to stem a wave of threads coming in about how Derek McKinnes should be brought in. Then you always get that one legendary BS post where someone says that it's a done deal will happen at the end of the season Ally will be his assistant blah blah blah, Bit like After we signed Law & Daly etc when the window closed it was a done deal for Leigh Griffiths to come to us in January. Might even have been you that said it Big R I can't remember.

Fair point larky bear, and for the record my friend it most definitely wasn't me regarding the leigh griffiths signing for rangers post, I do totally grasp your point pal

Sorry to accuse you of such a heinous Crime Big Ram.

08 Feb 2014 14:43:31
Ya dancer, put a daft couple of quid on abdeen @20/1 when they were down 1-0, get in there

Jg

Well done took them on a both teams to score an dons to win. other 3 games playing just now

08 Feb 2014 10:52:28
am I being to simplistic here or what

Rangers as a business need cash we all agree then why don't the people who own the business, the people who call all the shots at ibrox ie the major share holders the institutional investors pump some of their cash in, because let's not kid ourselves if we where making money they would be quick to shout about a dividend

i used to own my own business and on more than one occasion I needed investment to upgrade facility's replace equipment etc so I went to my savings and the bank to finance these things I didn't go to my customers and say i'm going to have to pay for xyz can you pay me a year in advance.


i am a rangers shareholder I don't own a lot of shares its more of a token holding but the bottom line is I own part of Rangers, so how about all us share holders big or small invest say £10 for every £100 worth of shares we own in our business that should see us through to the end of the season if Mr Wallace wants me to drop off my £20 then I will be happy to do so

Lb companies raise capital from shareholders all the time, they do it by issuing a rights issue, if RIFC did this you would get more shares for your 20quid

A rights issue is a way in which a company can sell new shares in order to raise capital. Shares are offered to existing shareholders in proportion to their current shareholding, respecting their pre-emption rights. The price at which the shares are offered is usually at a discount to the current share price, which gives investors an incentive to buy the new shares — if they do not, the value of their holding is diluted.

I can see the possibility of one of these coming soon

You are spot on with one thing though, we the shareholders, no matter how big or small all own our own part of the company and therefore the club

JG

Why give money to the "cash cow" we are at the moment? 120 days Wallace said to get the debt down when and if he has done his job right then will be the time to give money over.
If he hasn't surely you can not be serious about giving these robbers more funds?

I agree but before that can happen the club has to give some clear indication of how the buisness is performing after thinking about things and looking at all stories etc I don't think the club is in a critical situation we could not go out and spend £3m on aplayer but I think there is enough funds for the club to tick over and with the amount of shares changing hands there are moves being made by someone to try and get control the problem I can see without any further investment getting players to match everyones ambitions on return to s pl and maybe closer to the crux to compete with our old foes in the east end and to end things I don't think ally is the man for this task

At the agm, the board said that they had investors lined up. where are they?

@4 the board said a lot of things at the AGM and many have been found to be hot air. They are only interested in their own stake, the SPIVS are still driving the bus. Wee jack is still drawing from the well and remember the ST are due shortly and as I strongly suspect (if we are still in business) there will be some smoke and mirrors to try and dupe the fans to thinking all is well. Just a thought

RR

N4 posted the same thing myself a few weeks ago and n5 I totally agree

Ally - we don't have debt so he is going to have a hard job brining that down

We are overspending, that's what has to be stopped

JG