Rangers Banter Archive December 08 2012

08 Dec 2012 21:23:55
I hope JT doesn't think our memory is as bad as his is. Time will tell if he is good for us or not, but at least least we won't have to read his rubbish in the D.Record now. He was blaming other scribes for lies, a case of the kettle calling the pot black. He may be good for Green but not sure he will be good for Rangers, but I hope I'm wrong.

He does not **know** how to run PR dept of a major club, its not easy. Every word Green & Co says needs to be approved by Jabba, otherwise its off to SFA/SFL every week for "disrepute" charges, and first offense is ok, but 2nd and 3rd and you get more punishments, financial and signing bans and like....

GERS cant afford this.

Green owns Jabba - so how will Jabba understand difference between being a hack (write what 1 piece per day at most) and PR Director (8 hours a day on press legislation et al).

Does Celtic has ex-hack in this post, or Chelsea or Man-U ? nope, why gers scraping the barrel in this vital area.

08 Dec 2012 20:35:29
1)Just popped on and reading about james traynor, as a Celtic fan who lived with jock brown as a chief exec. I can only fear for your own future. Being a reporter/ presenter/ media mogul in no way gives you credentials to have a major role at any football club never mind one of the big two in scotland. This guy is a joke and should never be allowed a main role in football.

2) Reading about the share issue and all the grey areas attached to it. I know it's a distant dream but instead of ploughing money into CG's Investors pocket why don't the rff front a company willing to take on the oldco's debt and save the oldco?

Jd

Gordon Smith too.
It says a lot about the culture Green wants to try and implement, one of propaganda and spin. Succulent lamb covered up a multitude of sins, Traynor was one of the reasons the would be fatal wounds behind the scenes at Ibrox weren't publisised.
Us neutrals are sitting back and watching the spectacle unfolding.

Like to see Traynor back tracking on his "it's a new club" comments!

08 Dec 2012 15:43:00
when will wattie and coisty buy shares and how many.

Ally already has shares keep up

READ what the OP says, "BUY SHARES", Alistair hasn't bought any shares to date! He was gifted them!

Don't be impatient!
Jabba has to do his PR sales pitch first. He's there to persuade fans to buy. That's his job alongside Wattie. They've all been promised shares. No money for proper Director Salaries.

Fans can't possibly buy £10m.
Lucky to get £2m in this economy.
The RFFF only raised £500k.
I don't think institutions can possibly put in £17m.

He has bought them he gave up back dated wages he was entitled to and excepted shares instead to save the club money

08 Dec 2012 14:10:41
ed, last week i posted a text stating jim traynor would become a rangers director. it has now been confirmed true. why didn't you post my text? {Ed001's Note - it was posted up about 20 times, stop whining.}

Not always agreed with Mr Traynor,but,if his frankness,and self assured persona get the PR department moving in the right direction,something we fail on ,i will cut him some slack,a bit ,poacher turned game keeper,but as long as he does the job,i will give him my support,after all he ,ahem,supports Airdrie.

Ahem, Aidrie put into liquidation by SDM for oweing pennies.

The problem is, jabba's work has always been borderline emotive opinion. Not true or factual at all. How can he possibly get away with that approach now? I fear he already started with Green's statement on boycotting Dundee United, it's got Jabba all over it.
The official statement says its because feelings are raw about what Thomson said. Well someone quote what he said that was so bad! (Nothing from Ibrox about 2009 game abandoned, that's from fans only).

JT will serve our club well. He knows the media inside out up here. He will also be invaluable against the verbal bile,political and harmful propaganda being levelled at us from significant others who wish our club extinct.
God speed Jabba.
We can all have our own thoughts regarding CG and what his end game will be,but the one thing you can't accuse him of is being a soft touch. We're still here,we ain't going anywhere but onwards and upwards,and we sure as hell ain't gonna take any more crap from anyone,i think that's blatantly obvious.
P.O.B.

Taynor? What a shocker. I thought fellow journalist Rosie Boycott was a shoe in for the job.
Al

08 Dec 2012 13:29:41
Just before i head off to the game, here's a cracker.

Rangers have appointed Jim Traynor as their new director of communication.

Check the BBC pages for full story.

bigbaz

Are you really surprised bigbaz, some of the $hit he has written over the last 6 month's was unbelievable,now we know why,he stated he was leaving journalism because of what other hack's had written, they obviously did not have an agenda, this prove's Mr Traynor did. He spoke of the integrity of these other hack's ?. It make's you wonder.
Tam

Well aint a surprise airdrie fan without a ticket maybe green got him that bus pass

What a great week for Celtic.Into the last sixteen in Europe and Traynor joins Rangers.

Calls into question every word he ever wrote. SDMs faithful lapdog (pug). Always promised he'd be looked after. Well well.

I fully expect Green now to put Ally into media job and get Jabba managing the team. He's mad as a brush.

As long as he does a decent job for Rangers, i couldn't care less. If i was a cynic, then i would say that his recent sports columns were designed 'cozy up to' our fans, knowing full well he had a new job lined up at Ibrox. Whether that's true or not is just my guess, but he's never been 'my cup of tea' as a journalist anyway.

bigbaz

Bigbaz you don't need to be a cynic, just honest.
Tam

@6 You're probably right Tam. Some hacks are like politicians - tell you what you want to hear. I don't listen to either, i like to think i'm smart enough to make my own judgement. bigbaz

@3- dont get too smug about this appointment. One of the editors at the daily record is a neighbour of mine, who told me that there is something big on the horizon for a few of the "upper people" in this whole saga.

Lets just say nobody at rangers is involved.

@8 OK Bomber what is it your talking about ?. Oh you can't disclose it, Away and lie on your rib's.
Tam

08 Dec 2012 10:18:55
Sir Walter of Myth:-

Here he goes again, spitting bile. We won't forget? Well, neither will the rest of us forget their cheating, lying and hypocritical statements, not only over the last few years, but for decades. The reaction we see from these 'peepul' is text book. When you are found out, you start more spin and deflection to cover up. Oh, and of course they will boycott you if you happen to have an alternative view. HMRC will be back. They did NOT get off the hook. Watch him slink away again, when that happens.

Lol coming from a Celtic supporter are you taking the p,ss for as long as I remember all I have ever heard from Celtic fans is we are hard done by everyone is against us we are always victimised we are always cheated never beating. We should be the best team in Scotland. I am sorry to have to bring it to your attention that football is played on a pitch by two teams of eleven players. And rangers eleven have been more successful than your eleven. Also you do realise that the supposed cheating part only occurred over the last 11 years in which time we have only won 5 league titles which leaves 49 of our titles that have nothing to do with this issue. Yes titles may be stripped yes HMRC may appeal but these are all maybes. For you to post your bile before anything is certain just shows what a bitter sad man you are. Rangers maybe used immoral tactics when it came to paying players and tax but we never cheated on the pitch it was not something that we were all in on from the start. Our board may have been morally corrupt but the players and the fans were not so to label us all as cheats I find totally disgusting. You have got free reign for the next 3 years so be happy with that because we will be back. But I guess from the hatred of your post you already realise this. You wanted us gone forever it never happened and it really annoys you. Ps ed my posts have not been getting posted for whatever reason. If this is not because of a problem at my end could you please post this. Also I am beginning to get annoyed with the fact posts containing the word cheats as a description of rangers are allowed so easily. Nothing has been proven one way or another and I think it should not be allowed {Ed001's Note - it depends which editor is on, some editors try too hard to be fair and err on the side of caution, letting what I think is too much through. If you hadn't put this reply, I would have just deleted the original post as moronic and bitter nonsense from a 5 year old.}

You like many others on this site don't have a clue what your talking about. Please just go away and take your spite and hatred with u. Sad that people like you feel the need to spout out bile by the bucket load and show yourself up like this.

Ok... When di managers become involved in the financial matters of a club

As for hypocritical, well that is you lot down to a tee - you threatened to boycott any club that voted rangers into the spl as it wasnt what you wanted.

Have your infamous gb stopped boycotting their own team yet?

Sir walter the best in scottish history

08 Dec 2012 00:42:53
Here's a straight forward question.
Who is the MOST responsible for Rangers current predicament?

A) David Murray
B) Craig Whyte
C) HMRC
D) Celtic
E) SPL
F) a.n.other

This is open to Rangers fans only, no smart ass tims please.

A. David Murray.

David Murray! end of story! Without him there is no Craig Whyte, no admin, no liquidation, no "wee tax case" to lose, no rebuild, no division 3, no blame game and no boycotts (which i agree with but wish this situation didn't exist)

If your aren't clever enough to have worked this out for yourself, you shouldn't even enter the debate.

He chased the dream of Champions League glory and failed (but if he had stopped then we would have still remembered those as golden years). The domestic dominance, the Laudrups and the Gazza's) but then his ego took over from common sense and sound financial practise. He took risks with the very future of the club which is unforgivable and left us in the hands of a known weasel (previously banned from being a director for 7 years for his past business dealings), who only ever wanted to earn a quick buck from the club and then do the toe's with his pockets full. BECAUSE MURRAY WAS THEN ONLY INTERESTED IN SAVING HIS OTHER BUSINESS AND GETTING RANGERS WHO HE HAD PUT IN THAT MESS OFF HIS HANDS.

And dont let the Goram's, Hateley's and co fool you, they love him because he well and truly "looked after them" at Rangers. Of course they wont hear a bad word said against him.

David Murray

Lets face it he went on record trying to emulate everything Celtic did, 9IAR - never beat it, European Cup - didn't come close, 7.1 in an old firm game, didn't come close.
When Celtic built Celtic Park and it had 10,000 more seats than Ibrox that was the final nail in the coffin.

David Murray for me.

Surely it has to be DM this all started when we started living beyond our means even back in his early days he borrowed money and never used any of his own and carried on till the bank put pressure on him to sell . It wasn't the EBT that sunk us it was his rush to to sell Rangers to Whyte that caused us to be liquidated. The debt had been considerably reduced and if the fans and poeple had been told the truth at the time I'm sure the Gers could have been saved and the fans would have not had to go through the pain that they have. HMRC may have been more sympathetic. Blaming Celtic or anyone else is out of order, though their fans as well of those of other clubs may have been gloating i'm sure if the boot had been on the other foot a lot of our fans would have done likewise. We are blaming SPL clubs and Green is using this to get the fans onside, but if we are all going to be honest with ourselves after we were forced into liquidation there was no way they should have been asked to vote against us or for that matter any division in the SFL, there was only one place we could have gone. Forget all about all this integrity nonsense even a large amount of our own fans wanted this ( though Personly I didn't )
But there was only one place we could have been placed and we had a price to pay to get a licence before others which in my mind makes the SFL as much tainted as the SFA and SPL. So we should concentrate getting the Gers back to the top and stop blaming poeple when we know in our own minds who is really at fault. We love our club and there will be lots who don't agree with this, let's be honest with ourselves and get back to some real banter and rivalry against these guys and stop all this bitterness. I see Smith, Goram and Hateley getting in on the act now where we're they when we needed them.
Bobby

A) David Murray.
Looks like he was a thoroughly incompetent risk taker as a businessman. Just like the traders who gamble their banks billions away on trading, Murray did it with Rangers and Murray Group. Apparently MIH owes Lloyds hundreds of millions. Yet at the height of his huge indebtedness and running tax avoidance schemes he was given a knighthood for services to business in Scotland. Isn't that ironic?

David Murray & Craig Whyte. Murray for selling the club to Whyte without doing any kind of check and the Whyte for asset stripping the club, not paying the tax and lying to everyone throughout his disastrous time at the club

There was vote on each of Murray, Directors, Whyte, HMRC and Sfa on here recently, and murray won by country mile, with directors a close second.

Yet the 'spin' from the media is its all Whyte and SFa and HRMC fault... odd that who controls the media... ah murray.

Simples - follow the money - rangers as a newco is banding values of £50 million, yet oldco collapsed with debts of £50+ million.

Where does that lost money lie, must be in someones bank account... whose.... just follow the money trail.

Murray claims not a penny from rangers, yet £6 million from EBT alone....

Green, Whyte and Murray are to blame for the death of rangers. Green would not put enough cash up for a CVA to be accepted. Whyte used tax and NIC to pay for the mess left by Murray. The SPL chairmen would have voted the Green Rangers direct entry into the SPL if the supporters had not stood up for sporting integrity . If Greens Rangers have a gripe about anyone then it should be the supporters groups and if they feel they have a just cause they should ban them from Ibrokes.

Celtic. Because Murray did it to try and emulate their success, achieved spending under 250k. Forum is a commercial operation open to all.

Craig Whyte then HMRC

OP seeing this is an open forum ( anyone can join in Duh ). You forgot to add Rangers supporters to your list, what did the actually do to keep Rangers alive ?.
Tam

We (Me) as fans were partly responsible, we never really asked Murray the right questions and were happy to play along as long as he was spending the dosh. But ref your post - Murray first, then White. bigbaz

Celtic still have a lot of catching up to do in overtaking gers as far a statistics are concerned 1967 ? yes and done f all since ,gers 3 european finals 1960 .1967 ,1972 ,do we shout from the rooftops about that ,only 1 i was at was in 1960 was moving house from corby to glasgow day of the game in 1972 but it was a joy to see all the buses passing me in opposite direction on the A1 doug t.s.o

Well said bigbaz, someone who seen the big picture, check out the money the jambo's have collected to save their club.
Tam

@15. Fans collecting money for the benefit of their club should be applauded, no matter the amount. As Brian said in another thread below, at least Hearts fans know where their money is going, whereas our fans were skeptical about CG and rightly nervous about parting with their hard earned cash.

Maybe if things had been more clear cut at Rangers, then fans would have donated a lot more money, but since when have things been clear cut at Rangers recently?

bigbaz