Rangers Banter Archive April 08 2013

 

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08 Apr 2013 19:22:25
celtic fan here, I hope now you see what was staring you in the face, a man that is taking the utter crap out of all the honest rangers fans, I fear there may never be another old firm game again as I think the final nail is about to be put in the coffin, please wake up and take control of what is left of your club beforetime runs out on you, the man is a crook and and person he is making enemies everywhere, and has put your clubs survival in peril by associating with craig whyte which is now putting your sfa licence in danger, maybe the sfa will not act on this info but I will be very surprised. ally has done his best to keep the club together but it is too much for one man, and see it taking its toll, supporting the team is one thing but what he needs I action, and I mean moves to take the club out of the present owners hands, I look forward too plying you again but at present I can't honestly see this happening

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08 Apr 2013 18:45:35
There won't be one player at Ibrox whose agent isn't licking his lips after the insane Messi comment. Do something naughty a la Sandaza and I'll sack you. Hard words to live up to. Utter buffoonery.

Gaz {The Ed039's Note - Gaz, something silly can be handled, breaching your contract to try and get a move is something completely different)

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I know Ed that's why I said a la Sandaza. But does it mean if a player thinks he is getting underpaid at Ibrox or is itching for a move that is all he has to do now to walk away transfer fee free?

There was a diplomatic way to make that point without hemming yourself into a corner with the stupid Messi comment, more stupidity from the man.

Gaz

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So, right now how many can you think of that would be a major loss, and are you saying Sandaza should not have been dumped.

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To put it into perspective, if that had been say Miku or Lassad saying they wanted away to some guy on a phone then I'd think let them go. However if that had been say Samaras or maybe even Hooper on the phone wanting away for more money I'd say let them go.
Simple

FTE

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He has set a precedent and has said he would carry out even with the best player in the world. Did he need to make that statement? Wouldn't it have been easier to say we will deal with such things on their individual merits? Look, I admire his frankness but there are some jobs where frankness gets you in more trouble than you need. He was no doubt responding to claims that he wouldn't have done it to a player who had banged in 20 goals this year and to my mind he wouldn't have.

As for the sacking itself, it was merited, as for the current squad, there are precious few it applies to currently obviously but he has set a precedent, if Wallace ever wants to go, his agent (if he's worth his salt at all) could come up with a few choice ways of doing so on the back of more unnecessary comments.

Gaz

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Do you think he would sack Wallace or anyone else who would bring in a decent transfer fee

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Geez Ed, you must be sick of trying to justify what this bufoon is coming out with! Sandaza was a sacrificial lamb, simple as that. Green saw a chance to dump a high earner, and it makes you wonder how far he will actually go to clear the bills. I don't see him knocking back his Division 3 "Bonus". If you bears can't see through this clown by now, you deserve all you get!

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It's not frankness with him, it's bluster to cover up incompetency. Plain and simple. And when his bluff is called - like the car park with the old shef wed manager he bottles it. No way he should be in charge of a club like rangers. Way out of his league and comfort zone. Where's the decorum? The class?hes meant to set an example! Jobs like his get the benefits but they have a responsibility to act like professionals and realise they represent the club first and foremost.

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@ 5) Well he's now on record saying he would sack Lionel Messi, not sell, SACK. You know it's not like Lionel would be a financial asset that might get you a few quid, Charles in his infinite wisdom today said he would sack him.

So with that proffered by Green (not forced might I add) you would imagine the same applies to Wallace. and that is why it is so stupid.

Is it true? Is that what he would do? Who knows but like his very recent back-tracking on the "worst ever team" why even say it? He is fast becoming an insult to loose cannons.

Gaz

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Green has simple plan, sue ex- players for compo, call players who leave on poor deals for gers scum, offer existing players half- price extensions and (cammy bell) have high profile publicity about current players possible replacement 6 months before contract ends, sack existing player on any excuse, tell winning team they crap and worst ever in history? only 30% spent on players limiting wages etc etc

green is telling players all round world and their agents ibrox not a welcoming place for players. why?


is this just so he has absolute control on future players and only people who joins do so from his chosen agents?

job done!

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09 Apr 2013 13:06:52
On the bright side it's also the "best ever team" aswell as the "worst ever team". pea

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Yup 10) Ally thinks it's the best Rangers team Charles has ever seen and Charles thinks it's the worst Rangers team anyone has ever seen.

Same hymn sheet? I don't even think they are in the same church. (And that has no religious connatations, just a play on the phrase, okay?)

Gaz

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08 Apr 2013 18:34:05
Spl clubs said for sporting integrity having listened to their supporters they had no option but to kick rangers out of premier league now these same clubs choose not to listen to their supporters who the vast majority don't want The proposed league set up of 12. 12. 18. Where is sporting integrity now

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09 Apr 2013 14:25:47
Nobody "kicked"rangers out of the spl, they ceased to exist and the new club had to start at the bottom. too many thick people following The Rangers est. 2012.

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08 Apr 2013 18:24:59
On to be shot down but here goes anyway. As the fans are now slowly starting to see CG for what he really is why don't they.
A) all join forces and form a true rangers trust.
B) 50,000 of these fans all donate £250 to the said trust.
C) offer £10m to save the old club from liquidation
D) use the remaining £2.5m to cover running costs in the short term
E) pay to play fixtures at Hampden
F) leave CG and Whyte high and dry.

Within a matter of months CG or whoever owns themwould be kicking
down your door offering you the deeds for Ibrox. Let's not kid on, the only thing Ibrox is good for is rangers. It wouldn't be sold for luxury flats, super casino or even supermarket for that matter- not a dig, just realistic given the area-
This should have been done lat summer.

Jd

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Change b) to pledge your season ticket money.

create website and just tick over number of season ticket holdings joining and withholding thier funds.

pressure will build and answers will arrive.

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Certainly a move in the right direction. needs leaders though.

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If 10,000 fans who withhold thier season ticket money for 30days, all say they won't pay without sight of the deeds of ibrox, camelot will fall.

do the fans have the guts to go head to head with green over future of rfc.

course green wants rfc back in cl. but what will he risk to get it??

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Don't think you can play at Hampden mate. I think it's closing after SC final for a season to be refurbed for the Commonwealth Games. Personally they should bulldoze the place and rebuild. DH

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50 000 give £250 to a trust. How much did the appeal raise last year?

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08 Apr 2013 23:43:23
In a few years when Rangers are back bigger and better than ever some of the current panic merchants will be ashamed of themselves.

No Charles Green. No Rangers today. FACT.

Folk now forgetting Walter and his knights didn't step up to the plate when it REALLY mattered.

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@6 with what is being filtered out in the press now, do you honestly believe the blue knights stood a chance? Like it or not, it was always going to be Green! Why not sell to Bill miller? He had the biggest bid, and even laid down his plans for the club!
All Whyte has given you is lies and deception!
Anyway, I guess you are happy with that!

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@6 walter and knights offered £6 million!

d&p accepted greens £5 million. fact!

no green walter running gers, a true ger not a lieing ex- conman and racist

issue is will green put gers into admin, or walk away like sdm and allow next owner to do it?

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Bull No 6. D&P excluded anyone but Whtes chosen team of buying the club. The shambles of how Scottish Business law works prevented anyone but the Green (and whoever else is backing him) from buying the club. You pay a D&P a 550000 deposit and no one else is allowed to bid? Crazy. There was no level playing field - a complete con. And Rangers own fans chased away the American that could have saved you before Liquidation. Green saved NOTHING.

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Walter and his Knights only made a bid after the Green Consortium had already bought the club as they didn't want to be seen as putting Rangers into liquidation. TBH the way they handled things was frankly pathetic and if you remember at the time just about every Rangers man said so, asking why Walter hadn't stepped up to the plate earlier.

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08 Apr 2013 17:09:55
Green is a loud mouth bigot. His use of racist terms do nothing but damage, again, our club. Why can't he just keep his big mouth shut. The problem is that he makes these statements and clearly does not understand why they cause offence. My father taught me that if I have nothing nice to say, then be quiet, a lesson Mr Green should take on board.

He is just an idiotic buffoon.

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But why are the board allowing him to get away with this stuff? Some governance and leadership required now.

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More to the point poster @2, why are the police or even the government letting him get away with it? All he has done is cause trouble and whipping up sectarian trouble too with his rediculous statements!

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Green wants RFC as associate member of SFA - banned for 1 year - why else state racist language with the "kick out Racism" underway and UEFA looking to punish english FA for racist chanting.

Why? because then he can reverse RFC into English league using european courts.

As Green says ranger could be worth £500million. but only in his dreams.


Grand Plan. thrown out of SFA - then they force into vauxhall conference league. against kidminster, acrinton stanley. and the like. woawful.

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08 Apr 2013 14:50:43
If we are a real plc then charles green is an employee of the shareholders (of which I am one, yes blind loyalty over common sense)

Anyway it doesn't matter what his position is - CEO, head scout, janitor, marketing assistant - he is answerable to the board of directors and ultimately the shareholders.

If any other employee of the club openly admitted to lying and deceiving the way he has and throw in the racist language they would be sacked- so why not charles green, I have written to the board formally to request an EGM as as far as i'm concerned enough is enough.

The RST are nothing but cowardly charlatans who are doing nothing to represent the real supporters, as for traynor, the most despicable hire at ibrox I have seen in my lifetime. Time for Green and the board to be ousted and a democratically elected CEO put in place. This may sound daft but I am more worried about our future today than I was this time last year.

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Is it not a rule that any shareholder can book time to go over the books with full disclosure? Time for that kind of move perhaps?

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Sadly we don't know who the real majority shareholders are, their intent (what if it was P Lawell?) - so green is doing thier bidding, and causing a sh*t storm - which is what you need to hide the real story.

he was a disaster at Sheffield Utd - but survived and no-one figured out what was happening - untill he was long gone.

True nature of a person - is revealed in what they leave behind.

A Celtic - a new stadium, fans owning significant portion of the club, much reduced wage structure, few trophies - but legacy to grow and reach heights once more.

Greens legacy - is too early to say. but will it be as good - when he like Fegus take £30million out of what's left. hmmm doubt it very much.

Is there £30m of real value in gers at present to have that removed?

Green (and his pals) not in this for peanuts - let's face facts.

They want big juicy payout, and what will be left. ?

a team without its stadium (major asset), without shirt sales, pie sales. ? just loyal fan base?

is that enough these days?

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To OP. agree with all you say but the time is now here for unity amongst the support ,, one clear & concise voice carrying the weight of All Rangers Supporters with a view to challenging Greens outlandish drivel and securing a transparent & sustainable plan for the club going forward. and this needs to happen before the purchase of season books. I've said it before,, the fans are the true custonians of the club and it's high time All Rangers Supporters came together as one to secure the future of Their Club.

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Fergus did not take a penny out of Celtic when he left. He sold his shares on the stock market. Green will do the same - only difference is that he paid 1p for each share (£50,000 invested £3, 500,000 return based on 70p floating price. The £22,000,000 total contains all the investors who's shares were equity for share @ 1p per share reaping 70p per share on float.
Jim Trainer @ meeting with one of Supporters clubs only around £10,000,000 came to the club. Green was also in attendance that night

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In 1999, McCann sold his shares, leaving Irish entrepreneur Dermot Desmond as the largest shareholder, with a 19. 8% holding. As his successors McCann appointed Allan MacDonald as Chief Executive and Frank O'Callaghan as Chairman. McCann offered an interest-free payment plan to encourage individuals, rather than financial institutions, to purchase shares. The result was that small shareholders - principally supporters of the club - owned 63% of the stock at the time of McCann's departure. McCann personally profited in a significant way from the sale of the bulk of his shareholding.

Ned

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08 Apr 2013 14:22:18
If Green is so confident that Craig Whtye or any company associated with him will never have any part of Rangers, why can't we as fans demand that he draws up a legal document that not only confirms this but also confirms that Rangers assets will be kept in Rangers when he leaves. The RST could surely demand this.

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All he has to do is show the deeds and prove whyte was not involved with Rangers5088. Asking the RST to do anything is just funny! Self serving custard cream eaters who look after themselves. Murray, whyte and green all backed to the hilt with no questions asked by them.

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The RST? The supporting equivalent of a chocolate teapot

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08 Apr 2013 13:22:58
The boy Peralta is playing for Honduras who have had positive results against the USA and Mexico recently so he must be half decent.

Thoughts?

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Do u really think we'll get him. honestly why would anybody be persuaded to join our circus at the moment. I really struggling as a life long fan to even support at the moment. larky bear

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Ridiculous logic.

G93

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Claros at hibs was rated much higher than this guy and he's not great is he?

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Makes you question how much Cammy Bell is being offered?

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OP love the logic! So you rate Black on the same logic as that? He is a player in a team that has won the division they are playing in! That must make him a world beater!
Your post is absolutely rediculous!

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N4 if bell is not ln agreement with the contract he would not have signed it

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@4 half what alexander on, but twice what he on at killi.

even loosing £1 m/ month gers can out spend spl teams

is bell all it needs to get 2 nd place in spl?

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08 Apr 2013 11:33:50
My Name is SPARTACUS! and I hold the title deeds to Ibrox!
No, I am Spartacus!
No, I am he, I am Spartacus!
Spartacus, Spartacus, Spartacus.
Ohh, look, Charles Green is leaving Ibrox in a wagon with Jean Simmons and Peter Ustinov! So I am Spartacus!

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Lol OP but do you like oysters or snails? :)

Gaz

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Lol

Green - aim to make £20mill out of ipo.

Whyte - aim to make £20mill out of ibrox/murraypark assets

Now tug of war - Whyte says IPO illegal ( will knock 10% of shareprice today), Green says Whyte offered russion girls ( will knocn 10% of whyte reputation).

and tug of war will continue, green needs season ticket money to postpone next admin beyond the 6 month share lockin, whyte need to undermine season ticket income - to force green to deal before collapse.

Bears just need to sit as see who blinks first. I think green has possesion of deeds (9/10s of law) - but whyte can chip away at AIM and floatation law.

hope it works out for bears - but hard to see how if either of these get £20mill how either will then spend that on RFC?

both gamblers with others money.

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Gaz. OP here. I am strictly oysters. Nothing Crassus about me!

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Lol OP, a fine answer.

All the best mate.

Gaz

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08 Apr 2013 09:56:11
Go and have a look at some of the Sheffield United websites, they are having a right laugh. And you say you were not warned, ever heard of "Google"! Charles Green and his reputation are so well known. And none of you bothered to do a simple google search on the man? It does not take Magnum PI to investigate the mans background, its all in the public domain.

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This man really needs to be taken to one side and told some hard facts. What are the board doing? The previous board were implicated in the start of this mess, are the current members doing the same? Is this what prompted the split with Murray, a man who it seems has always behaved in the proper way? Green has admitted lying to gain control of shares. He has taken whyte's cash, then said he did not want. Well why ask for it?

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Many of us did our research please tell me what we had to do let the club die there and then? We scared away Bill Miller with a silly sign yes but come on shall I just storm in & pull Charlie out by the lugs? There was only ever one consortium going to buy Rangers & that was CGs Duff & phelps were in on this scam with Whyte & Green I wouldn't be surprised if Murrays involved along the lines too!

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08 Apr 2013 13:32:55
Murray was part of the board that let your club get in so bad a state it had to be liquidated. any official at rangers in the previous era should not be allowed anywhere near ibrox. sdm should be strung up. a hoops fan tired of this self inflicted drama.

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Apparently, CG is in trouble for mentioning that the former Ibrox director, Imran Ahmad as his " little P**i friend" . An anti-racism charity thought that his comments were ill advised, racist and offensive. It looks as if he is beginning to make some outrageous mistakes in his tenure at Ibrox

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@4: just beginning to?

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@4 beginning? ar e you for real, this person has led all you Rangers supporter's by the nose since he got super Ally on board.
Tam

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N3 if david murray had the bottle to stand up to threats from the tax lynch mob he would still own rfc admitidly they where 18 million in debt but that was under control having been reduced from 58 million under walter smith

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08 Apr 2013 09:46:15
worrying times again at ibrox, if rumours are to be believed. its great so many rangers fans are sick of the conmen and others who can't be trusted running our beloved club. also to all the decent celtic fans who come on here too, expressing their worry for the future of our club too. point is this, as fans of any club, we should all be keeping our eyes wide open to the people who run our clubs, together as football fans ( no matter who we support ) we should be worried for hearts, dunfermline and others who are next too or at deaths door because of these people who run our clubs. these people run them for the money they can take out of it, but not for the love of it, because sooner or later we won't have football teams left to support in this country if this trend of club owners continues!

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Sadly there are still so many people who seem to think Mr Green is the answer. He is a loose cannon stumbling from one problem to the next right now.

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Well said OP, we have your back.

Celtic Fan

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08 Apr 2013 12:50:20
I agree that so many on here have woken up to green, but a quick look on ranger media shows there are many, many fans who still think he is the answer and believe everything he says. Blaming it all on Celtic fans stirring the pot. How is any other team responsible for what comes out of ibrox? How is anyone else responsible for what comes out green's mouth? Yes, some have roughy their heads out the sand, but so many are continuing their bent over positions, wilfully waiting to be shafted again.

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I keep saying it. fans can start a club from nothing like fc united of manchester. its gone from strength to strength financially because the fans control the money.

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08 Apr 2013 05:37:28
I'm very concerned that Charles Green's true colours are now beginning to show. Looking at all the latest interviews it appears that Ally is also having concerns. I'm not hearing much reassurance from ally in his interviews and some criticism is now being put Greens way. but ally will be sacked and Walter will follow

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For me Ally has to ask CG to see the title deeds, if Green refuses Ally has to go public and tell the fans that Green point blank won't let him see the deeds to the club and the fans can draw their own conclusions and act on them.

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There is much more to this than is even out in public. There could be Police, AIM and SFA problems arising from this.

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Ally is one man that should be taking some of the blame, he stood up for green at the start of the season as he did whyte the season before, I've said on here for 6 months now green was a disaster waiting to happen and all I got was your not a the real fan, ally wasn't being true to himself if he felt Mr green was keeping him for his management skills, because he doesn't have any, he kept ally to sell season books.

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08 Apr 2013 13:38:15
Ally is greens bought and paid for pet poodle, if you want an person gleefully exchanging soundbites with fans who are employed by a scandal rag then ally is your man-he ain't no Jeremy Paxton. allys in it for allys retirement fund getting larger nothing else, soundbites while your club dies are quite pathetic.

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Give the guy a break ffs. Far too many people wise after the event. I am sure Ally had his reservations, like majority of people.

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@5. m8 can you no see its people like you that have allowed this to happen. I posted on here many times last year telling you whyte was still involved, but would you listen. NO. this has been one big set up from the start, from the minute SDM sold to whyte, they knew exactly what they were doing and what road they were going down, they're all in it together. this is worse than last year nobody will touch you now, season tickets will fall as a lot of fans realise now their loyalty was for fk all, the share prices will fall, attendances will fall. I just can't see any way back from this one. So before you shout about giving the guy a break, remember it was you and fans like you that allowed this to happen. gary.

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The signs were there from the start but Green managed to say the 'right things' to stir up the worst in some fans and deflect attention from himself. He knows which buttons to press (must have been well taught though)and appeal to lowest instincts. We are better than this but sometimes it's hard not to follow on like sheep and that what's he's relying on. Let's waken up before it's too late ---again

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08 Apr 2013 01:23:35
Celtic fan here with the thought that the only honest people left at your club appear to be you guys, the fans, who have been getting taken for a ride.
You truly have my sympathy but if you could step back and use your brains rather than your hearts you must see it.
Your club needs you guys to step up and virtually take over by whatever means necessary before they kill it.

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I remember Ally saying that if there's a team in blue playing at Ibrox it's still Rangers. I think this is the problem.

Anybody (including the supporters) could have started a new company, played somewhere and called themselves The Rangers. But only with the ownership of Ibrox are you almost certain to have 30000+ fans following you.

That 1 asset holds the Rangers fans over a barrel and its was transferred to?? before you were even liquidated properly. And it went for peanuts when, to any potential new investor, it was invaluable as it guaranteed a following to get you started again.

You are a great football club who has been dragged through the mire by conmen and charlatans. You know that the current incumbant is another one. There's no 2 ways about it, he is as dodgy as f*ck.

I would not pay another penny until your questions are answered. Stop listening to sound bites, start insisting on answers.

WHO HOLDS THE TITLE DEEDS TO IBROX?

Shuggy

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I think the fixation with Ibrox is part of the problem. I do get why it's such a big deal, but Rangers could easily play else where. Ground share at Hampden, or even play at murryfield. Or build a new stadium elsewhere. Ownership of Ibrox does not mean you own the club. In fact Ibrox could be looked at as a liability rather than an asset.

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@2 your right the place needs torn down, it could cost less to rebuild somewhere else. But it is the spritual home of Rangers.

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Op I agree but it would take a well known figurehead to let us find out what is really happening cue walter smith but would he stand up against the people that employ him if not ide imagine mr souness could be approched after all his family freind tried to get control so there's obviosly an interesed

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08 Apr 2013 01:42:42
I'm sure a bunch of you recall all 14 titles that Ally is talking about.

Can any of you seriously agree with him that this one has been the hardest without having the urge to put underwear on your head, stick two pencils up your nose and say the word "wibble"?

Gaz

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If ally operating with two hands tied behind his back then it would be very hard.

question is "who is picking the new players and picking the team". ?

at sheffield it was often green (ex-agent) and not the manager (s) who came and and out there like revolving doors.

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Read it in the context it was said, it also says about having to put a team together in five/six days before their first game.
He also questions the comments of CEO Green for saying it was the worst team in history as they have won the league they were in.

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I thought Ally more or less agreed this was the worst ever Rangers team.

It's certainly by far the worst I've seen and I've been a regular at Ibrox since the 70s although obviously there are mitigating circumstances why the team is so poor.

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There isn't many things I agree with when it comes to Charles green but he's right when he says this is by far the worst ever team and probably the worst manager in clubs history, but utter garbage.

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@2) While I appreciate the difficulties of the beginning of last season in pure footballing terms here is the real context of the situation. Rangers are 24 points clear with 4 games to go in a 36 game league, having just beaten the second top team 4-1 away and having a budget probably more than ten times higher than the rest of the division combined, that is the real context of this.

He does none of his former teammates he won those titles with any service with a comment that frankly I would have expected from Green more than McCoist.

I can understand a manager having personal pride in his first title, most if not all do, but the most difficult? Behave Ally.

And as for when he replied, why not when Green first made the comment? Or even last weekend after the league was won? My suspicions are leaning towards "self-serving" of the possibilities I put forward in another thread.

Gaz

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OP who cares. All that matters is it's Ally's first as manager and the club's 55th overall.

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There are no mitigating circumstances. the opposition are part timers who couldn't dream of having players like ally has.

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@ 6) Yeah you keep repeating all that and that everything is hunky dory, nothing to see here, boardroom turmoils financial collapses, all just imagined. Beggars belief that the same old mantras are still being uttered.

Gaz

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Everybody knows this is the worst team ever, but you can't expect Ally to say this. He has to deal with the players. The problem is that loud mouth Green should not have said it either. There is and was no need.

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Op gaz I agree with ally this was the most importent tittle could you imagine the support had we not won it also by winning it it allows us to start our climb back through the leagues ime also glad there will be no reconstruction well at least there won't be any for next season cheers st

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