Rangers Banter Archive October 07 2012

07 Oct 2012 21:54:05
Just to keep all up to speed Rangers youth youth team managed a 1 1 draw against Kelty Hearts today with Kelty scoring first was not a great game but really nice to see RFC supporting communities and taking their social responsibilities seriously it would have been easy to say no especially back in May when we were in turmoil

Were Kelty not the first to offer to play the new outfit once Green had formed them?'

Lol and 9 of the starting 11 from the humilating defeat on Sat were made to play.
what exactly do you mean by social responsability?? a player of kelty hearts choose rangers as his testimonial oppents before they were liquidated.

The same player donated 50 percent of the gate to the RAngers fighting fund. The player requests a team to take part in a testimonal and does Not choose, social responsibility is about participating in local or national good causes "here ended the lesson"

1-1 draw.
Not a great game.
Sounds familiar.

Oooooof kelty must have had an off day cos yous are gash lol

07 Oct 2012 20:17:31
Ally to be moved upstairs, PR man- share issue, sponsorship deals, media man and negotiating/finding palyers. New manager in this season. {Ed039's Note - Finding players .......... god no)

07 Oct 2012 17:02:37
Ally was not embarrassed well much as you are my hero we Gers fans were very embarrassed. We are in for a lot of verbal from the other mob.
Sorry Ally you don't have it to be our manager but you will always be our hero for the way you held us together when the going got rough We need you to lead us back to the top but not as the manager but as a leading light on the board along with Walter. Rangers men through and through

07 Oct 2012 20:03:44
Did you hear bear on Superscoreboard phone in Saturday?
He said that Mr Green should approach David Moyes.
Ok he is ex Celtic but is a good manager, used to working with tight budgets. I say put in a offer for him. Ally is on £1m plus, surely enough to get Moyes?
What do you bears say. {Ed039's Note - Are you having a laugh, a man who has been touted as a potential succesor to Sir Alex Ferguson, who was courted by Spurs during pre season, do you know how much compensation Everton would be looking for to release their manager?? WOW. I have read some stupid posts but this one takes the biscuit)

Sorry but that's the daftest post from a Ger since a guy last month compared Ally's record with AVB's and asked who wouldn't say Ally was the better manager.

Scottish football has little cache nowadays. Owen Coyle turned down Celtic when he was at Burnley. The idea of Moyes taking the job at Ibrox while we're in Div 3 and with no Europe for a minimum of 3 years is fantasy.

Where rangers are right now in 3rd div will not attract any manger of any quality

this the reality of where the club is at now

it has not sank in were we are at....or really what ahead, you will be luck not to enter administration again in the next 3 years

Yes Ed one of the most stupid posts ever on here (that's saying something).Fell off the chair laughing when I heard another idiot on the radio wanting Moyes to come to Ibrox.Why?What an inflated opinion of the club for someone of his calibre to be put in the same sentance.Top managers need top clubs---money wouldn't enter into it. {Ed001's Note - Moyes is also on a lot more than £1m a year, he is one of the highest paid managers in world football!}

Hi Ed

The post ref. Moyes being asked to replace Ally is very sad

Until we ditch the delusion and accept our current status no progress can be made

Moyes was from a mixed background, and although he played for Celtic , would have no reason not to look at an approach from the Gers - apart from the following

1 - We are effectively banned from europe for minimum four years

2 - transfer ban - stuck with the **** we have

3 - He has the two best players from Ibrox in his existing squad

4 - His chairman has backed him to the hilt through thick and thin - great long term constructive reationship

5 - 4th tierof Scottish football / EPL?

6 - Damaged brand - unlikely to get any significant investment in the short term

7 - Already questions being asked about solvency of new club and long term direction.

Still - maybe the history will proove to be the thing that attracts him.

ED 001; while i agree the Moyes point is laughable,there is no way he is near the top earning managers in world football.Not even top twenty i would think............green jhedi {Ed001's Note - you have no idea than, because he is, Ferguson, Mancini and Wenger are the only ones paid more in England, no one else is though. To be fair to the guy, he fully deserves to be paid highly for what he has done, and is continuing to do for Everton.}

07 Oct 2012 16:26:16
Just had a look at the age of our possible best XI:

Alexander 34
Argyriou 24
Perry 22
Cribari 32
Wallace 25
Black 27
Shiels 27
Temps 23
Big Jig 34
Sandaza 27
Wee Barrie Mckay 17

Average age 26.5

This is not a young team, this is a well balanced team with experience in the right ares, players who are in their "peak" years and a couple of good young players.

Compare that with Celtic's XI:

Forster 24
Matthews 20
Ambrose 23
Mulgrew 26
Izzaguire 26
Forrest 21
Wanyama 21
Brown 27
Ledley 25
Samaras 27
Hooper 24

Average age: 24

Clearly the age of our team isn't the issue, it's the management. As much of a legend Ally is he is not cut out for this. WATP

You don't see the point, Ally will be forced to bring more young guns into our pool of players in the next TWO SEASONS. Trying to imply septic are younger, is nonsense.

07 Oct 2012 17:22:54
no implications you claim on here that you have a team of young boys that are too inexperienced to win away from home...the op has proved celtic have a younger team and they seem to be doing ok in a higher league and in Europe....you bought sandaza,black,templeton,shiels and the four foreigners.to supplement your youth and now the youth cant get a game ( apart from a very few) so therefore your excuses are mute...you just are not as good as you think you are and you should be winning all these cup finals at a canter against part timers...JohnnyG...ps Ally must stay

Given that when all of them were fit Lewis Macleod still played every game he is clearly deemed to be in the best eleven. Plus your argument is flawed by having three old players that pulls the average up significantly. I also notice you picked Celtics youngest rather than best eleven, convenient eh?

07 Oct 2012 18:07:27
#3...you are writing crap..that celtic team from op is lennons first pick...or can you supply an OLDER alternative to any of those regular players or are you just blind to anything non blue??? johnnyG {Ed039's Note - I would say it is there or there abouts in being the strongest side)

Well said post 3) bear, that knows that septics are pretending to be Gers fans on our sites, especially this Opening Poster. They want our Ally to walk away, if not sacked, in fact they're against everything Gers. WATP for real.

It's like comparing Poundland to Harrods.

Remember Coisty said that he was building a team for the SPL!?!?

07 Oct 2012 19:46:12
@3 OP here: Don't be pedantic and try and pick wee holes in my point, whatever Septic team you would play is irrelevant, my main point was that there are other Bears on here saying give them time, there a young team, in Ally we trust, but my point was that with an average age of 26.5 they are not a young team, nearly all have good SPL experience and the foreigners have had a lot of first-team, top flight football. It is so blatant that the tactics (if any) aren't working, and if it is not an embarassment to lose to the lowest team in Scotland then I'm afraid that saying Ally isn't getting the best out of the players is a massive understatement.

PS anything that may not be pro-gers doesnt equate to being pro-Septic. WATP

At 7 Yes it does if coming from you.

So players are judged on their age now rather than quality

07 Oct 2012 15:37:18
Asked this question yesterday for it only to be high-jacked by talking about another football team. It is a Rangers question nothing to do with any other club, why is Kyle Hutton not in the squad I heard on Radio Clyde yesterday from Alison Robbie that there had been a fall out with Ally can anyone shed light on the matter?

Gers1986 {Ed039's Note - Yeah someone asked earlier, I think there has been an issue between the 2 for a while. They have both denied it, which usually means that there is something behind it)

Hutton is a far better player than ally is a manager anyway, bye ally.

I heard Ally was desperate to get shot of him before the transfer window shut after the two fell out but nobody would take a punt on him.

BARNEY BEAR

Number 2, is that so he could replace him with another over paid fud, he's twice the player black is, who IMO is the main problem. {Ed039's Note - I think Hutton is a cracking young player, any young player who comes into a team in the Champions League against Man United has got to have something about them)

Hutton should be the mainstay of. Rangers midfield

Celtic fan here. I knew from with 10 mins of Hutton coming on against motherwell that I was vindicated in my claims the night before he should be starting that match.

I put forward what my suggested rangers team should be to beat Motherwell. I said that the boy has looked a good footballer when I have seen him but also he has dig and is physical which Ian black seems to have lost. Most importantly he would have a point to prove and be chomping at the bit to play. He was excellent and was paramount to what was an impressive Rangers performance and I couldn't believe when I seen the team for the Stirling game and he hasn't even made the bench. I tried to find out if he was injured but I heard he is fit.

Mark my words if he would have played yesterday the outcome would have been different.

07 Oct 2012 13:58:44
Looking around the web today I am surprised how many Bears are now calling for McCoists head, maybe this will sway him to do the right thing and walk, if he signs a new contract (of any length let alone 25 years) I will walk away, after a lifetime of supporting the best club in the world watching McCoist treat this like "A Question of Sport" makes me feel physically sick. He is no different to Bain & co just taking our money when they know they are not up to the job. DISGRACEFUL from Bain but McCoist was a legend, if he hasnt got the decency to walk we must put pressure on Green to sack him since Green probably fears alienating the supporters by sacking a former legend. It gives no pleasure at all posting these words but enough is enough, McCoist is a luxury we can ill afford. {Ed039's Note - I would hate to see McCoist fired, but I dont think he is upto the job. If he walked he would still leave a legend in my eyes)

07 Oct 2012 16:22:58
Ally will go after the share issue ie when Green has the money to pay the massive costs of redundacy.

Ally still has time to turn in around, but he is fast approaching last chance saloon!

No way Super Ally should do walking away for anybody. Hope he wins the 3rd div, failing that he will be sacked, but never ever do walking away,Super Ally! Geo the Ger

07 Oct 2012 13:09:02
Who's the better football manager? Lennon or McCoist? Or has that argument been put to bed?

Why you not watching the Celtic game?

None they are both crap

Defo lennon

The only thing McCoist has got on Lennon is 10 years.

Lennon's on the road to making him a great Celtic manager.

If you need someone to answer that for you there's something wrong with you. Maybe if McCoist had the resources that celtic do he could do better.

5 - do Rangers not have access to the £12m training complex that their predecessor owned?

Have Rangers not got the second highest wage bill in the whole of Scotland?

Is McCoist not the best paid manager in the country? On an annual salary of £960K?

Who cares its a ridiculous point to make. Impossible to prove one way or the other and frankly only the sad elements of the OF support care.

@ 5 resources ? hes got spl players on 5 grand a week to play against part time bin men 0n 30 quid {Ed039's Note - Stop it with the bin men comments guys, its direspectful to these guys, some of these guys are lawyers, police men etc,etc. Its not a Bin Mens Welfare League)

@5. It was a tongue on cheek comment. McCoist isn't a good manager. Good talker tho.

07 Oct 2012 11:28:17
Read with interest Durrranty's interview on Friday. No more cop-outs. No more excuses. "Ally and I had a sitdown with the players after Forres......they'll start scrapping for their lives." So what happens? Lose to the bottom team in Scotland! Must have been a really inspirational pep talk! Ally doesn't do walking away....Green will not sack him, as all he wants are mugs to buy shares and he can't sack a (playing) legend. Odds on though he will bring in an experienced co-manager, like Boro did years ago when they brought in Terry Venables to "assist" Bryan Robson. Makes the manages position untenable frankly. Ally, Durranty, McDowall.....walk away now! Embarrassed the club long enough, not up to the job in hand. And don't give me "Ally held the club together last season" bit. Ally got the club booted out of Europe twice, League Cup by Falkirk, Scottish cup at home and tossed away an 18pt lead in the league.

Ok it's another day.... Emotions cooled down . But you're right, Ally must go right now, today, no more. Telling us every week it'd gonna turn around and it never does. What Green needs to realise is his standing will improve, his respect will improve when he sacks Ally. The team will improve.
Green is rewarding failure. There needs to be a public known target.... Win next 5 games, put us comfortably top, or you're out. It's the bargain basement of British football ffs.

These performances are not commercially viable for the survival of the club.
Our outgoings are too high to be delivering these results.
The club will fold due to Ally's results unless we trim down to Stirling Albion's level.

Even Green has no material left. No deflect stories by slagging off SPL/ SFA to protect Ally after a bad match. No former players coming out defending EBTs. It's just Ally and his performance, all alone.

RESIGN TODAY. ALLOW THE CLUB TO PROGRESS. IT'S NOT YOUR CLUB IT'S OURS AND YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

We had no players for Europe because of false bids for players. If you remember Boca had to travel by car all night to make up numbers. It was never an eighteen point lead, it was fifteen with Celtic having two games in hand.
If you are going to make a point then at least tell the facts. However I must say that I feel there are big questions to be asked why the back room team seem incapable of motivating the players. Let's be honest, tactics or no tactics, players playing in or out of position, we should win every game in div three by at least three.

07 Oct 2012 16:04:57
@3 How much of Rangers do the fans own?

And how much of it does Ally own?

07 Oct 2012 11:04:15
It's just hitting home, I reckon it'll be 10-15 years before The Rangers can mount any title challenge in the top tier of Scottish football.

By that time all your sons will be Celtic fans

Totally agree, anyone disagrees are kidding themselves on.

Number 1, very much doubt it looking at the prices you lot charge.

Absolute nonsense. This is not England or Spain we are playing in. You could buy a team for £10m that would at least be second in the league. That will bring Europe money and more money to be spent on team. The year we are back in SPL we will finish first or second. Motherwells team probably worth £5m and they were second.

@4 You bought a team for the SFL 3.So what happened then?

10-15 years. u nuts. all we need is a decent manager, that knows what 4 4 2 is and we will be spl champs in 4 years, no bother

07 Oct 2012 10:05:15
I would love to see Ray Wilkins come to Rangers not to replace Ally but to assist him in maybe a director of football roll.

Gus

What's Wilkins done he is just another pundit we need a jock Wallace type but unfortunately football is littered with people who have made a fortune out of the fans and have no hunger in their belly to do anything else in management, life to easy in Scotland for football players and managers expectations are not that high to be honest

More big money just to prop up McCoist, who will still be there and mince.

07 Oct 2012 09:14:13
If Ross County can cruise the first division unbeaten then surely we should be doing the same in the third. Something or someone has to change!

Highland loyal

07 Oct 2012 07:27:48
When was the last time we went 4 league away games without a win never mind in the 3rd division? Ally your useless.

Ally will win division 3 and 2 in consecutive seasons with our young team, if given the chance. When embargo ends Ally will win 1st and spl consecutively as well. Have no fear. True Blue

U are a deluded idiot, where is this young team you talk off, as far as i can see the rangers are playing an overpriced team of old burnt out pro's, take a look at celtic if u want to see a young team

07 Oct 2012 04:08:18
I'm stunned people are still stupid enough to say get off Ally's back. We love him and all that but FFS he has made a complete mess of things since he took over as manager. He and the back room staff are useless. The signings are hopeless they haven't a clue how to change a game to win it.This was the worst team in the 4 leagues and he couldn't get them up for it. Enough is enough!!

Agree with you only if Ally can't win this season's sfl 3. Give ally a full season he'll come good with his pool of players, mostly youngsters.

We can't afford not to win div 3 so do we with go with ally.on a results basis I would say no

06 Oct 2012 23:29:17
the guy that put , the battle fever , in stirling albions belly was not even there...thats a tip ally stay away...les

06 Oct 2012 23:42:25
Green and "consortium". Simple terms. They "buy" Rangers assets for 5 million or so. Then intend to sell 40% of their shares to fans for 20 million and retain 60% of the club. Can you see something wrong here? Generally called asset stripping or carpet-bagging this type of behaviour. Type of business Craig Whyte knows a thing or two about. They wont get away with it. HMRC will be fuming. and they may take their time at HMRC, but they dont give up.