Rangers Banter Archive May 07 2012

07 May 2012 23:45:54
Why do the Dhims keep saying "without punishment" ? We have been banned from Europe for 3 years, aswell as having 10 points deducted, and a transfer embargo put in place. That's punishment.

That would be due to the fact that most of the Celtic supporters who post here don't just want to see Rangers punished, they want us gone...period.

Rangers have NOT been banned from Europe for 3 years you clown. Rangers couldn't apply for a European license because they never had their account audited before the license deadline.
That is not a ban.

Now....should rangers go bust (inevitable) a newco may be formed which would have to apply to get in to the SFL (assuming that the SFA don't try the biggest stich up in history), which would mean that they would have to be in the SFL for 3 years before being eligible to apply for a Euro license.

Also on the punishment, UEFA ban you for 3 years not the SFA old boy network,10 points was the least they could give you and transfer embargo means nothing as you have no money to buys players(not that thats stopped you before)

07 May 2012 21:48:35
Wonder what the European courts would make of uefas decision that we can't play in Europe for three years. Sound very much like restriction of trade to me.

I'm a Rangers fan but come on really, who cares about Europe we will be lucky if we are playing anywhere from next week onwards, some fans seem to be in denial. We are in an absolute shambles this bid with Miller is no where near an end now rumours of Whyte doing deals as well have surfaced, it's a soap opera and by the way Rangers run out of money to maintain the business as of next week.

If you want to see who would win in court look at Sion for an example. UEFA would punish us more for breaking their rules of taking them to court. You guys need to read or ask Ed007 if you want to talk about laws and that and I'm a Bear before I get all that s##t.anything like that he is always spot on.

Sounds very like rules being enforced to me

07 May 2012 20:37:20
I get so fed up with people saying bill miller could be your fergus what you have to remember fergus cleared all the debt none of this take all the good stuff and f@#k everything else plus when asked the fans dug deep for the share issue when murray asked you lot he ended up having to buy then himself

Murray launched the share issue by saying that if we didnt buy them he would. Hardly the big sell

Fergus 1st and foremost was a Celtic fan who loved the club, he had the fans on his side,

Ska bhoy

No creditor ever got scammed by a CVA at Celtic.

1/ He also said that rangers fans lacked the emotional connection to the club that Celtic fans have.Interesting in light of recent events.

Fergus a celtic fan who had the fans on his side, behave he was a business man who saw an opportunity and deservedly made money on what he did, but you telling me you cannot remember the abuse he suffered from fans.

@4 yes I am surprised that no David Murray type has come forward here. No entrepreneur willing to invest in the club of his/her childhood. No Alan Sugar at Spurs, Jack Hayward at Wolves, David Whelan at Wigan. Can we assume that wealthy fans are seeing something which is just too toxic to go near?

4.) show me that quote please...

7/And how could i do that? it was well covered at the time.check the papers from around that time.It is true.

07 May 2012 19:58:28
Some of the posts on here are laughable....we haven't cheated, all was fine before Sir? David Murray shot the craw, it was all down to Craigie-boy
- what a load of tosh!

Rangers were in an absolute mess when Sir? David Murray left, hence the reason he sold the midden for a quid and done a runner to France. He claimed he was duped by Whyte.......LIES!

His silence is deafening! There's not been a peep from him - that says it all!

It's all down to Murray and you lot can't see it, you're embarrassing yourselves!

You boycotted the BBC, you threatened to screw Lloyds, you threaten to boycott away games - pathetic, paranoid and Shameful.......the world's against your club and you've spat the dummy out!

Are you Celtic fans in disguise? lol

There will be sanctions against your club, and rightly so, so suck it up! The club will be in the SPL next season, no doubts. However, you must grow up, open your eyes and revisit the whole episode because you've become disillusioned - and that's the truth!

Your club cheated for years, you enjoyed the success, now you have to pay the penalty......enjoy scuzballs! pmsl

Miko x

Miko you hoopy hound, why you on here tonight? Must be some good news for the bears and you just cant get enough ;) Wats a scuzball? CheltBlue

Hi miko you sure your not a referee in disguise , no you cant be yous dont like them either cause they all wear items worn in the kitchen and its not oven gloves doug

07 May 2012 19:17:09
I hate to burst all your bears bubbles
at the idea that todays postponement
of the vote will help RFC(IA)
People in the know now believe that
the extra 3 weeks will allow all the SPL
teams to work out plans if Zombie Rangers
do not get back in SPL, it will also
allow fans of every other team to galvanize
support, lobby MP's, SPL, SFA, UEFA
to ensure financial INTEGRITY is put
first.
There is also growing optimism that
the FTT verdict will be in before
30 May.
Your only hope is if your american
saver takes your team to the MLS
Timalloy

Don't think it is bursting anyone's bubble.
Dream on.
'People in the know' what? did they text you? Having a laugh.
When did RFC get kicked out of the SPL?
Here we go again with the Tribunal result prediction, how many goes is that you've had Fail Fail.
Main Poster, you take bits of other posts and join them together then pass it off as your own - a serial hybrid poster. The end result b**tardisation.

(Galvanise support the rest off yous could only get 30000 supporters at all the rest of the games) including the mighty Celtics travelling support.Why stop at your drivel post you missed out House Lords /Commons FIFA United Nations ya sad wee man.

Far be it from me to disagree but is that not "sporting" integrity that is under discussion. Rangers don't do financial integrity - at least not since they sh@t on Airdrie. Remind me. Is the FTT reference to the big tax case with HMRC or the multiply contracts shown to the SFA and UEFA -or is there something more that Sally has to look rueful for its being unearthed?

07 May 2012 19:09:13
i'm a rangers fan ,
i think rangers should be demoted to the 3rd division next season and that will make everyone happy and we will take our punishment thanks to the disgraceful stewardship of mr david murray,
let's have sporting integrity and we will see how many espeel teams go to the wall without gate receipts and tv money.

waldo perth

None will go to the wall - how many relegated teams go to the wall without income from Rangers and Celtic travelling support, TV and sponsorship income?

Let's see other teams go to the wall because you can't keep your house in order you have to be punished but you bully intimidate and threaten take ur punishment like grown ups and accept you were in the wrong think of the ramifications if a newco is allowed
Hoops will live for ever gbnl!

Mmmm, none will go, I'll bet they do, Hearts are on their last legs. The league will be poor as the cost cutting kicks in, 3 years with no Rangers spells the end of the SPL in it's current form(the best it can possibly get), now all you bitter people calling for this to happen, get real.
Rangers have already been punished, there is no stated case for this situation happening before, well unless you count Gretna, Motherwell,Dundee. Did they get demoted to the third division? If the plan is assets switching to a newco and the current co agreeing a CVA, then this is not illegal, it's far from ideal, but situation this happens on a daily basis.
You cannot possibly make new rules as you go along, yes put them in place but it has to be after a stated case.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Murray and Whyte both also known to me as as lord Lucan. They may well punished and i hope they do.
The teams you state being relegated, for example Falkirk, They never lived beyond their means whilst in the SPL, while that is commendable it got them relegated, Kilmarnock,Hearts,Dumfermline(if they stay up) would all feel the pinch and be under pressure over 3 years. More would follow and we would be watching a youth league with a few old pros, no team could build as any decent players would be off to almost any other league in Europe, more so than is happening now.

Tbh if it happens let it happen, i'm sick fed up of the whole fiasco.
But rest assured, we will be back and we will remember.
how do you like them apples?
BR

Lets hope you remember to pay the ambulance and police at least eh?

Yes the ambulance service should be paid , the police ? too many at games and their overtime rate is a disgrace ,eg. last years orange walk the police prescence was cut down to cut costs , and the procession was done mostly by self stewarding doug

@5: ideally there should be no need for police at the walks as there shouldn't be any walks in the first place. They're antiquated, attract a moronic element and should be consigned to the past.

A wee guy from Austria had similar ideas to number 6.

07 May 2012 18:33:21
What a load of tosh for folks coming on here and wanting us to cease trading as we have brought shame on the SPL. Dundee went into admin did utd fans go on about get them buried NO, Livingston, gretna and what about the corruption the year Aberdeen were to be relegated SPL teams vote forthe league to be extended. You are all a joke, send us to the third division then come follow us after you are liquidated.

They hate gers that much their small minded brain doesnt see the consequences of what they are trying to achieve doug

1/dont talk rubbish.you want to just walk away from your debt? there is enough.the ambulance service FFS! have a look at yourselves

The biggest shame of the SPL is the way they seem to be trying to slaughter their biggest cash cow. Whats next, Celtic getting hammered for their managers disgraceful antics? Oh aye..... a few weeks touchline ban and everything is ok.
Blue knows

And what happened to Dundee and Livingston? What happened to Gretna?

Doug, your accusations of hatred are becoming boring and making you out to be paranoid. Where is your evidence of hatred? Surely there's been enough hatred in Scottish football, especially on the west coast, without you accusing others of it - it's not hatred, just the fans of other clubs wanting what they deem to be fair. Just because you don't agree, it doesn't mean it's hatred. Get a grip and stop accusing others of extreme negative emotions just because you don't like their opinions.

The difference ive been at away grounds and sat in amongst the away fans ive even had my fellow gers supporters spit on me at tynecastle a long time ago .ive also seen the bile spewed out from various small team supporters against gers at neutral grounds for cup ties eg. morton v gers at love street doug

Dundee ,Livingston etc. failed but they did not deliberately cheat for over a decade. You cheated every football team that you played against and you cheated the tax payers out of millions. Do you ever wonder why every else outwith your own little world feel the way they do? It is not hate. It is contempt.

Poster no 4 ive already posted on here before my evidence of 31 years married to a tim and her family ,ive saw the other side of the fence ,HAVE YOU ? doug

Poster no 6 what was result of the tax case did we lose it. spambo

5/ Morton v gers at love street? When was that then?

Game at love street morton v gers was round about 2001 ,gers won 1-0 ,and welsh player robbie earnshaw was playing for morton on loan doug

@8: Yes but it's the appeal against the amount owed that you're waiting to hear the result of.

Morton v gers was in the last 10 years ,my accountants wife is a morton supporter ,my accountant a tic supporter , and the 3 of us sat together , when gers scored a couple of guys jumped up and all hell let loose from the greenock morton victor meldrews for them to be removed from the stand doug

07 May 2012 16:18:41
Let's make this question as simple and idiot proof as possible.

What TAX did Rangers not pay over the years?, and what bills have we not paid over the years?, to indicate that we have ''cheated'' broke rules and so on.....
As far as i can see, Rangers FC paid all of their bills throughout the years, until Wyte never paid PAYE and others, from around June last year onwards.

We have also been punished for that, this season, and have won nothing because of this.

The EBT thing has not been decided, and other clubs such as Arsenal, Leeds and others operate EBTs, they are also perfectly legal, and Rangers issue is on a technicality over how it was submitted,,,however, as i say...the outcome is still in the balance, otherwise, why would the court not have made a judgement by now (rediculous also, the time they have taken)

So, again....what tax ..pre Whyte, have we not paid, and where have we cheated.

Or is it just the case that we have to be punished by the judge and jury that exists here, before a crime has been commited, even Gers fans have been brainwashed into the ''fact''' that we have cheated for years..

Let's here from all !....timmys included.

Why just click disagree??

Let us know why....typical..!

We have also been punished for that, this season, and have won nothing because of this.....surely getting beat off Maribor, Malmo, Falkirk and Dundee united in the cup competitions was the issue? Being 15 points clear then f***in it up was also an issue? I could be wrong.....

Bman

The tax not paid you ask about is the BTC initial bill off 24M that Rangers have accepted liability of..... the tier trial is an appeal against surchages, penalties and interest...and this is pre whyte

Mate you are spot on. I'm getting sick of all this talk of us being cheats. We ran an EBT that was in the official accounts for years.

Scottish football need to get the priorities right...we need help due to the state Carig Whyte left us in. Once we are sure of survival then we'll take our punishment. But we need to survive first. SG

Rangers have accepted liability for £24m during the EBT era. It is the penalties and interest calculation they are appealing. Rangers are guilty that is why it is at the appeal/tribunal stage. No matter what the bill will be at least £24m. I'm not a tax expert but I am a lecturer in Economics at ******** Collage.

Rangers use of EBTs is not legal. The side letter condemns Rangers as the EBT 'loans' ensured they were NOT loans but salary. Salary in which appropriate tax was not paid.

Rangers dodged this multi millions worth of taxes which allowed them to thus illegal purchase and play players and to run at a deficit that would have ordinarily resulted in far less worthy players or indeed bankruptcy -years ago.

They stole many championships and cups and deprived much needed income to other Scottish teams

THAT'S HOW!

Clear now pally?

Mojo

ago

Ive said this all along weve paid millions in bills etc....but must say that we have been found guilty of tax evasion ...its the penalties plus interest we are appeaing as far as i know.......but since whyte took over the real crap began....deecee

The small tax case is about the first EBT usage which was totally ILLEGAL. £4m plus interest, Rangers agree and do not challenge this. Silverware should be removed from those years.

07 May 2012 16:12:46
All these other football fans want Rangers out the SPL, i for one would go down to the 3rd division since we won't have European football anyway. We would build our Club and Team up again over 3 years and by the time we got back to the SPL we would soon find all these teams who were no longer alive.

All these Chairmen are gutless and will never carry out the actions they threaten us with because they know they will never survive without us.

Wullie

Name a relegated team that has not survived because of no income from rangers games,or has went bust?????stevo

Airdrie,Livngston.....

@1 Clydebank

1. Show me a team that has been relegated and kept the same squad of players, think that is what the original poster is getting at, teams when relegated cant hold onto their main players so depend on every penny coming into their club

Dundee twice, Livingsrton, Airdrie, Partick Thistle almost went bust fans saved them.

The way forward - Newco application to join SPL rejected-Newco application to join SFL rejected. Sounds good to me.

@1: not just Rangers games but Celtic too and no TV revenue but Rangers fans are saying clubs will go bust without them alone?

Spot on Stevo these clowns think that they carry Scottish football along with Celtic and given the fact they do give extra income to the other teams I think that these clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly and one of these measures would be to bring more young homegrown talent through. Look at Dundee utd and murderwell,teams full of that type of player and both did well this season.Also in the long run this would be beneficial to the Scottish national team. So get the cheats out the league and see it prosper and don't listen to shame or the biased media GET THEM OUT NOW!

Clydebank was many years ago. Airdrie went down when minty moonbeams called in a 30k debt when at said time was cheating the taxpayer out of money through the ebt's. Livingston and Dundee tried to be big time Charlie's when the money was being spent by all clubs in the spl and it came back to bite them badly. Gretna lived the dream and payed the price but all these lower league clubs have learned to live by their means.

We will survive maybe no 50 thousand supporters but still have a much more healthier support than those teams that went bust.

07 May 2012 15:57:50
There are so many angles to this situations its incredible. Everyones fighting to save Rangers one way or another.

Miller will start an 'Incubator Co' and transfer the assets, thus avoiding what? Penalties from the SFA or the SPL and losing all the debt!

Other say it won't work its a newco and the history's lost.

Ally McCoist suggests it can all be saved and the new Rangers without any debt, with history intact without any penalties and stay in the SPL! How is that going to work?

But everyone's forgetting HMRC, they are not going to sit back and watch a company in administration, transfer tens of millions of pounds worth of assets to a new co and they take 5p in the pound ie 5 million !

Ibrox and Murray park must be worth at least 50 million alone!, not to mention other smaller assets the players etc!

All this shouting at the SPL and SFA about saving rangers and naming names, no one dares mention naming the tax collectors, cause it a criminal offence and they don't back down !

I believe all this SPL penalties and SFA bans will fade when the train called the HMRC comes down the line.

Then each and every asset will be sold off to god knows who, the highest bidder, Millers £11 million is going to look pretty poor then.

Its all over bar the shouting, which I am glad to see Ally stopped!

Ger61

07 May 2012 15:52:35
Spl decision delayed until may 30th two Weeks after season is finished.These people are a embarrassment.

Rangers never had anybody at the meeting but asked for it to be ajourned . Why all the stalling surely they haven't anything to hide......DH

It's actually all in our favour if you look at it,,, that's because they need clarity on the EBTs
How would it look if they dished out all sorts of sanctions, and Rangers won the EBT case.

Oh s**t.....they've not cheated after all.

This has been my point all along.

Until the EBT case is decided, Rangers only wrongdoing has been under Whyte last season, for which we have already been punished for.

So how can you impose sanctions for a club using an EBT scheme, when it is possible that they are perfectly legal.

Snookered! big time haaahaaahaaa.

Having a meeting to decide that they need another meeting to make a decision.
What info do they need that they didn't need before?
This is meant to be a new rule for all.
I smell sh!te!

Rangers will have to pay £24m for EBTs - the club has accepted liability for that.

@2 the meeting today was not about wrong doing or ebt's you clown it's about becoming a newco which your cheating mob are trying to do and the implications that this causes ie transferring your league share to a new company and by doing this what sanctions they should impose. You should read up on the subject before you post your drivel. Your probably better off sticking to the snooker ya 'nugget' get it?

07 May 2012 15:43:13
vote delayed again yet another attempt to hinder the sale FFS resign from this cesspit of a league and start again

SPL adjourned at the request of... wait for it... Duff and Phelps. Why would they hinder the sale?

Hinder the sale? are you serious?

07 May 2012 14:47:57
Heres an easy way to sort this rfc soap opera......wipe your debt wipe your history!Or keep your history& pay your debt!!!you cant have it both ways simples...stevo

You still don't get it do u that will never happen

What a pointless post! Your life that boring? Rangers fans havnt done anything wrong. We cant pay the debt can we?

What is our debt then smart ar**?

What do we owe, when have we cheated, and who have we not paid.

Apart from last years Whyte debacle, i think you'll find Rangers havnt broken any rules.

Look at duff& duffers accounts & balance sheets you will see your DEBTS!..What rfc owe,who has not been paid,not broke rules?rfc have brought the game in to disrepute& the ongoing circus is all rfc fault..nobody blaming the fans,its the club thats guilty& its previous& past owners..I wonder what reason will be given for no show by rfc today?stevo

What do we owe, we havn,t broken any rules. Well the taxman is owed money because you broke the rule of not paying your taxes hence the ongoing tax case which you have admitted to by lodging an appeal to the amount you had to pay

@2: so many fans on here tell us regularly that Rangers has one of the largest supports in the world. Why doesn't the RFF appeal to this massive support to give what they can. Surely this huge fanbase could raise £50m easily?

What's that? An appeal went out weeks ago? I take it a fortune in donations was quickly contributed?

Only £400,000, you say? Hmmm, so much for a devoted fanbase, eh?

Stevo if its not the fans fault why are you here all the time harping on about the mighty Gers? Life isnt fair, deal with it... CheltBlue

07 May 2012 12:56:39
A sports nutrition company that Rangers bidder Bill Miller has a stake in has filed for bankruptcy.

Health Sport Inc, which specialises in "edible film strip" nutritional supplements, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in September last year, which is similar to the UK insolvency process of administration.

The financial crisis at the firm came after the business failed to filed its annual accounts last year, months after it bought over a smaller business.

Just digging dirt m8.

And your point is.........................................

A full 10% must have been all his fault then away back to your own page

@3: what page would that be? The OP didn't leave word of who they support. Ah, you're assuming that the only other people on here are Celtic fans. Think again.

1903

07 May 2012 12:19:04
What's with all the "Bill Miller will do this" nonsense? He is the "preferred bidder" and is taking a closer look at the club, it's finances and the options available to him. He is not the new owner yet and can make no decisions on how rangers are run, he can also not influence the sanctions imposed by the SFA or SPL at present or in the future as he is NOT the owner! rthe teddy bears are full of stories of what he will do, simple facts are the club are still in administration with the danger of liquidation still very real. Let the process continue before spouting what the latest "owner" will do!
Scotty Bhoy

07 May 2012 11:30:54
there should be no SPL deals over Rangers, a Newco must start in the SFL, there should be no favoritism, and any club that supports no sanctions on a Newco, should be boycotted by fans
i urge all Celtic fans to boycott away grounds next season, as sporting integrity and fairness have been compromised, and the SPL a joke
we will bring the other clubs in the SPL to the brink of financial collapse, no away support, no money, and f*** you for making the rules up to suit yourselves, Rangers Newco must be punished dont make the scottish game a bigger joke than it alread is

Rangers are not a newco so wind yer neck in a bit

Why dont you go on the other spl teams pages and spout your hatred on them because thats all it is, yes we should be punished and so should the owner and the previouse owner .

@2: where was the hatred in the OP?

07 May 2012 09:57:59
Rangers have been run like a charity shop for a long time now.The Rangers of old were totally dedicated to the club Bill Struth was the manager for many years and formed a bond and structure that was good for all in the club, he knew the fans were the cornerstone of the club.Look at all bust companys and you are sure to see the need for personal greed was bigger than continunity of structure and employment. The people who did this to Rangers are devoid of all morals and will never be fit to stand at the edge of the carpet with me.

Edge of the carpet? why on earth would you end with that? Laughable.