Rangers Banter Archive March 07 2012

07 Mar 2012 23:34:04
There is a good chance Rangers will not play next year in any league. If they go into liquidation they will have no squad nor a stadium to play in as the legal battle could take months. A Playing squad to compete in the spl starting from scratch would take too much money. Also if the Tier 1 tax case is a loss for Rangers the newco rangers will still be liable for the full amount as there is a bill currently being passed through Westminster, it's expected to be passed April 1st. HMRC will not make a decision until then because they want the full amount and the newco will still be liable. Looks grim!!!

If rangers go into liquidation then ALL debts to anyone is gone.HMRC cannot come against new owners of a Phoenix company. When into liquidation all debts or future liabilities die.

07 Mar 2012 23:08:29
Time to get our fingers out of our arses and really demonstrate that we care about our club and our heritage! Ive heard it and seen it on here and in other media outlets that we need a figure head or something to rally to!

Fact is that we are all sitting here totally agog at the whole idea of Rangers FC moving into the abyss and I imagine that we are all just waiting in expectation of someone or some group coming forward to save the day!

Well, it might just be that this won't happen after all and I honestly feel that we need to get some form of large gathering organised outside Ibrox.

Protest or vidual...call it what you want but I do feel a large presence is needed to demonstrate that this is and always will be the club of the supporters and not the suits who have taken us to the brink!

The raw negativity that seems to come out with every passing moment in the media is clearly denting our optimism.

A large scale gathering outside Ibrox would catch the attention worldwide and reflect positively upon our legendary support...it might just make a potential investor sit up and take notice that this is a massive club with a massive fan base! at the moment it's just negative news followed by negative news!

We are all taking the flak right now...the gloating, the baiting the ridicule and the total embarrassment that comes with our problems. Fair enough....let them throw it at us...just remember that the more dirt you throw...the deeper the hole you dig!

Just imagining how I will feel if my club dies is to hard to take in. I couldnt look myself in the mirror if all I did was turn up at Ibrox for the Hearts game, sung a few old songs and then trudged off downbeat after a defeat!

This isn't about football anymore. Its about our club, our heritage, our memories good and bad and most importantly its about our future!

Get in touch with your mates...your supporters club...your supporters association etc etc and anyone who cares about Glasgow Rangers and lets get off our arses and get down to that famous old stadium this Saturday afternoon and show the world that we won't slip away without a show of strength!

No violence, no idiots, no bitterness...just Banners, flags, scarves the lot..but most of all thousands of Blue Noses!

Saturday 10th March 3pm, Ibrox Stadium

Lets get it on....WATP

Why didnt yous do it a year ago,when the story was out there,yet all ignored it,as timmy propaganda!!..too late now,& for all this nonsense off newco start up,no debt is way off the mark,as hmrc will still be wanting there money,as new law being introduced 1st april....

07 Mar 2012 22:12:15
Just a thot,ed could it work if a rangers lottery/raffle @ say 5 2 10 a week till end of season for prise of season ticket,if fans got behind surely would make 1 million a mont to see out season and get other revenue to pay wages & sell instead of loose {Ed001's Note - things like that are possible but involve an outlay to start with, which the club cannot afford right now.}

Where's the season ticket for?

07 Mar 2012 22:10:21
WTF is going on man, we have 48 hours to save our club yet NOTHING has been set up for the fans to donate, apart that is from a sh!tty f£ck!ng web site that got hijacked, I can't believe this, seriously, tell me what time to be at the front door with money for my club, I WILL BE THERE! I won't have thousands probably not even hundreds but I will GIVE what I can, so FFS somebody just ask
PaulRFC

Emails where sent to the admins days ago regarding this,no reply was their answer.

Maybe if you took up murrays share offer a few years ago you might not be in this mess instead of waiting till your at deaths door to start your battle cries

Where are the guys who were shouting "we deserve better"?
Where are the Rangers Supporters trust?

Paul..let this play out as it should. in a darkened room before Whyte this was ALL thought out that this was the way it was to be.......think about it
Whyte comes in without due dilligence
never pays anything
puts us in deeper sh@t
folk know he,s a shyster but say nothing
administration do nothing to help even want cousin for bigger wages...lol
never pay off anyone...strange
no one on tv going mental no one to rally round..strange

you hve just watched the longest suicide in history
this was organised in some smokie back room months ago
que sera sera how can we change anything when it was ment to be

strange but the next time we hear from some off these people is when they want to start a new football club....how sad..........les

I no what ya mean les mate, I just can't at this moment accept that as reality, I don't give a sh!t if I am an ostrich ( even though they don't stick their p!ssing heads in the sand like dhim thim think) I need to think there's still hope
PaulRFC

Listen paul i,m a 54 year old man
it,s funny went to the games in waddle,wallace,an greig era but stopped during the Murray era because i started a new job an done shifts,never got the chance tae see the gers way ma boy because o the shifts,now were starting long days and i can buy a season ticket
so do you know what i,m f@ckin buyin wan an i,m going tae alloa even if its tae stand in a pub wae him i,ve broke down in the hoose a few times because am a soppy c@nt but i,ll tell ye whit son i,ll be in that pub in alloa if its the last thing a dae...chin up pal no the end o the world..an maybe we,ll get a wee beer in alloa some day.....we are STILL the people.....they still dont get it ....les

Aye I've always wanted to visit alloa's ground as well up there with the nou camp and old Trafford... eh? Any wee drop and I mean wee drop of sympathy I had going for you there just got obliterated in the last line of your post . Ta ta enjoy all those fantastic sheds your going to visit.

Proud for ya old yin ! ;)
PaulRFC

Been in the nou camp a,ve been tae berwick
ave been tae old traford and gay field
i,ll enjoy my day out in alloa,stenhousemuir,arbroath or broadwood

but reading some of the celtic minded posts it now looks like were not the only
scotlands shame your minds have been warped badly and dont poke that wounded lion wae yir stick son
they just dont get it ........les

07 Mar 2012 21:22:17
ed if and i say if we cant fulfill our fixtures do it now that way we f### it into the sfa and lawless with the tv deal withdrawn they will suffer in the pocket and we can then apply to play in the lower reaches of england and come through that way to the epl leave mr re##n with his boyhood heros and sub standard football {Ed001's Note - it is highly unlikely that you would be allowed to join the English leagues I am afraid.}

I'm sure Uefa/Fifa have a directive in place which states that clubs must play within the leagues in the countries they were founded, no exceptions!

Miko

Ah, the bitter Rangers supporter who wants everyone else to suffer. How sad your little life is.

You can't play in England, I'm not even going to waste my time and explain why, it's been explained numerous times on these pages.

TV deals are not the way forward. Over the next 2 - 5 years streaming your games is where serious money is going to be made. Given Celtic's worldwide brand, there are substantial profits to be made, in comparison to tv deals on offer.

Bye, bye now.

Too true mate steaming your games is the way it's going.Infact just watching tv is going that way you have sites like Netflix which will take off big time. That's why Internet televisions are the way forward at the moment. And as Celtic are a global brand we will prosper big time! Ta ta rankers

TV deals are not the way forward? want to tell sky that.
Live streaming will be tapped into as is at the moment.
Just like your 'estimated attendances' of old your world wide domination global brand has an estimated figure attached to it as well. Especially the part that all Irish who went to the states came from sthrn Ireland.

, shut up ya fool, the only place outwith scotland you lot are known is JAPAN don't flatter yourselves sunshine! who do you think you are BARCELONA! aye ok , take your drivel somewhere else. haha jeez oh and you lot thought we were deluded, think again pal and look in the mirror! least am a sensible rangers fan when am sayin this! CELTIC AND RANGERS only look good cos its a sh!t league and the standard is really poor! IMO oil billionaires should be buyin into to the SPL as a whole not an individual team, if its a possibility then possibly compete with the EPL doubtful right enough!, oh btw don't be pussas and atleast leave a name, stewie

07 Mar 2012 21:20:06
Interesting article thought some ppl might like

An insight into the disturbing anti-Rangers Witch-hunt.
By Deedle

Directly or indirectly, Rangers' use of Employee Benefit Trusts has forced the club into administration and to the verge of liquidation.
Nevertheless, the club�s enemies wish to inflict further damage by claiming Rangers gained an advantage from �financial doping�. Moreover, there are even demands that trophies won by the club over the past 12 or 13 years be stripped due to an alleged omission in the documentation pertaining to players� registrations.

Let�s deal with the registration issue first. Rangers� position was that the EBTs were non-contractual and therefore should not be included in documents submitted to the SFA and SPL. This view is supported by experts in the field (see yesterday�s Herald article). There was no attempt to mislead or to keep the EBTs hidden. Section 6 of the annual accounts (�Staff Costs�) explains the purpose of the trusts and enumerates the sums involved.

Therefore, the logic being used by the club�s antagonists is fatally flawed � it demands that sanctions be imposed because of judgments made many years after the EBT scheme was introduced. This is completely unacceptable in my view and contrary to natural justice. Any objections about the registration issue should have been raised at the time. The fact that complaints are being made officially only after a decade has elapsed and, indeed, only after the club entered administration and is consequently unable to defend itself, speaks volumes for the motives behind recent moves.

The �financial doping� argument also borders on the absurd. Most accounts of the money Rangers FC saved over the course of a decade put the figure at £24 million. This represents less than 5% of turnover and equates to the sums flowing from the club to the Murray group over the same period. Indeed, Rangers FC actually paid the Murray group at least £6 million for the �privilege� of the trusts being administered on its behalf!

Figures provided by Martin Bain in his case against the club indicate that the combination of interest charges and the penalties being sought by HMRC mean that the club is required to pay back approximately twice the sum of £24 million. How on earth can this situation be referred to as �financial doping�? My interpretation of the phrase would be a permanent advantage gained by underhand means or assistance from outside bodies.

Of course, this definition would encompass the support Celtic FC has received from the taxpayer and ratepayer in relation to the purchase of significant tracts of land in the vicinity of Celtic Park for the sum of £1 and the huge financial benefits that will accrue from the Commonwealth Games and associated redevelopment of the Parkhead area. As opposed to the obstacles the local council put in Rangers� way, everything possible has been done to assist Celtic, even down to the gift of London Road Primary School and retention of the Barrowfield training pitches.

Encouraged by a mass media which panders to their psychoses, the Celtic-minded hordes are whipping themselves into a frenzy of retribution and vindictiveness. Business professionals and lawyers spend hour after hour on websites and blogs scrutinising the minutiae of Rangers� use of EBTs from every conceivable angle. The rank and file concoct evermore fanciful scenarios of punishments that should be meted out to Rangers FC. In stark contrast to the orgy of hatred accompanying Rangers� current problems, it is worth noting that in 1952 the club defended Celtic when it was under threat of expulsion from the SFA due to its refusal to comply with an order from city magistrates to remove the Irish tricolour from the main stand.

From the Celtic boardroom to Baird�s Bar, all sense of perspective has been lost and the wider ramifications to Scottish football and, indeed, Scottish society, have been completely overlooked. This is not normal behaviour and these are not normal people

This rubbish was posted yesterday.why dont you put some energy into researching what can be done to save your club? i just found a very interesting item about the floating charge holder re; ibrox. you might have some hope if you look hard enough. A Tim.

So in short, you want us to feel sorry for you because you're being victimised?
imagine HMRC wanting the monies they are owed(!)

It's only being raised now because these payments were unknown until the tax case came to light. Payments from an EBT are not necessarily remuneration and may be non contractual. However, information in the public domain suggests that Rangers made these payments on a contractual basis. It was a smart arsed way of getting around the law and against the spirit of the law hence why the law was changed and applied retrospectively.

Rangers clearly used this risky tax vehicle because they thought it would allow them to offer players higher wages -thus giving them an advantage on the field.

It seems rangers want to be treated leniently and sympathetically because they are Rangers. Well rules are rules and if you don't pay your bills especially tax bills (even since last May) especially from a club who raised the 'Loving Cup' and toasted the monarch at Xmas then you must be penalised. It's not victimisation it's just applying the rules which every club has signed up to.

You reap what you sow.

Read the first line and then stopped "Directly or indirectly, Rangers' use of Employee Benefit Trusts has forced the club into administration and to the verge of liquidation."

EBTs did not put Rangers into administration either directly or indirectly.

What a load of p1sh.

Isn't the world a nasty place. poor wee rangers cant even give their players money without all us ordinary folk demanding they pay tax like everyone else. i read somewhere that ebts can be considered as loans which are never repaid. shouldn't rangers be calling in those loans now to pay their bills ?

07 Mar 2012 21:13:29
to get all these rumours straight: am I right in saying that premier league clubs cannot sign any players, unless emeregency keeper loans, outside of the transfer window. This means that it is impossible for whittaker to go to villa or davis to sunderland until the summer window opens.

Doesnt mean they can't be sold though, we could even get a payment for them tomorrow if one was available
PaulRFC

They are free to sign with any1 but the english fa would need to ok it so no u aint right


TB

They can go ,but on a free.no money i think.

07 Mar 2012 21:10:10
ED:-Why do you think the Administrators have changed their tack all of a sudden? It was only a week ago they said they were confident of Rangers surviving! Now this. Something dodgy going on here. {Ed001's Note - because the players are still all there.}

Ed's right.greedy players grasping for money.be interesting how this is spun by agents

07 Mar 2012 20:58:05
Lets have no more talk of Paul Murray's consortium and their "conditional" bid. To keep Rangers ,as we know it,alive,one thing is needed.Cash.If i was Murray i would advise the administrators to lose 11 of the first team squad in the AM tomorrow.Then drip feed consortium money on a bill by bill basis and see the season out with the youths and low earning players.This would give some breathing space to start paying the creditors off.As things stand there will be no euro football next season anyway,so start re building and take the hit.It will be hard,but the club name and history will remain intact until money is freed up to invest in the first team.If the big tax bill hits,deal with it and move on.The supporters will be key in this,full houses,even in bad times will be essential to get back to the top.

07 Mar 2012 20:59:17
NO ONE IS GOING TO SAVE RANGERS
Nobody in any business mind would secure rangers debt personally when if serious could pick it up for far cheaper IF liquadated,as money they spend now could be same money to buy newco,business men aint interested in a clubs history money money money nothing more nothing less,paul murray cant personaly secure clubs debts,or it wouldent b as bad,five minute of fame,no investment,no fan power can save club,players had it compleaty,its on the morphine,rotting from the inside out money has killed it like a cancer,poor old football

07 Mar 2012 20:36:16
I am annoyed looking at this page and seeing these 'rangers' fans saying liquidation is inevitable and all that. But seriously whk actually thinks no one will step up ajd buy the club Paul Murray is the best option but if that doesn't happen then i bet you brian kennedy (sale sharks owner) will make a bid. So will everyone stop being so doom and gloom and look at the positives such as the adminstrators already have meeting in plavlce to talk to the potential buyers

Do you have any idea how much a new owner(s) will have to write off just to keep us afloat? Then add tax case, penalties for secret contracts, ... If we survive this it will be a f*cking miracle!! I'm not a doom and gloom merchant, just someone who knows you can't potentially owe £100million plus and have someone come in with £25million to clear it up. We need a sh*t load of money to even get to next season, let alone clear our 'little' debts prior to HMRC kicking our balls down out throat.

I just want people to realise what is going to happen any day now. It is over! We start anew! No other possibiltiy!!

Good answer mate, get real guys our debt is massive and doesn't include the big tax case should we lose it. Admin in one of their many statements said prospective buyers were looking to invest but the debt was putting them off. Paul Murray can't even agree with his backer Dave king. His rescue bid last year like this year is a non starter, Craig whyte still owns 85% and would also need to be bought out as well as the debt being paid off. No chance

I posted the original post and to the first reply no body knows the outcome of the tax case yet so thats £70 million in theoritical (spelling) debt and also if you have read the paul murray statement it says that he would work towards a cva with the administrators before anything was finalised. What happened to the 'we do 't do walking away' by saying the club is finished then you are walking away!

07 Mar 2012 20:22:59
We are f*cked. Look at the numbers! There is no one coming forward who can pay what has to be paid when it has to be paid, not including any penalty from the big tax case. People kept coming up with this 'we will survive' crap (me included) with no back-up for it. If we weren't being 'ostriches' (again, me included), as the dhims put it, then we would have been right on David Murray's case as soon as the dark days started to dawn on us all those years ago. We are seriously in the sh*t and it all benefits Craig Shyte!! Having ranted all that, it doesn't include any penalties for paying secret contracts or whatever else comes out of the woodwork. People then compare our situation with Septics back in the day, not similar at all. Look at the difference in numbers and the shenanigans our directors have gotten up to. Strike a light, if we come out of this we really must be 'the people'.

CD1873

07 Mar 2012 19:58:39
Murry + Whyte pure bas..rds use have killed our club hope use two are happy Whyte a have cleaned better off the sole of ma shoe a**ehole ..kenny bluenose

Murry ??

No1 was slagging murray when we were winning 9 in a row when gazza laudrap etc were coming so pipedown


TB

Tb are you blind m8 or sticking your head in the sand we know what he did for rangers but he jumped ship selling to Whyte should have checked the clown out m8 it's not going to go away .. Kenny bluenose

07 Mar 2012 19:52:57
Fair play to Craig whyte if you want to know what's happening just listen to what he has to say then the opposite will happen! Better than all the auld hacks guessing!

Ha ha, reading that is the 1st time Ive laughed out loud in ages. Well done mate! GTM

07 Mar 2012 19:14:31
Does anyone know what day the judge decides if the money frozen in the lawyer account is ours or not?

Tomorrow m8

Even if the administrators get this money ..How long will it last .Also don't forget they have still to be paid ..King made this statement today,this was the plan all along

I think it's more like weeks maybe months rather than days

07 Mar 2012 19:05:46
I wonder if ticketus will get intouch with Paul Murray? They could even be a player in some capacity, 24mill is a lot of cash to lose!
PaulRFC

Isn't debt with Whyte ie Glasgow Rangers Fc formerly wave tower and NOT Rangers FC ie the club.

PaulRFC - hope this helps.
1 March 2012 - Statement regarding Rangers Football Club

Following a meeting yesterday with Rangers Football Club's (the "Club" or "Rangers") administrators Duff & Phelps, Ticketus would like to state its desire for a rapid and successful conclusion to the Club's administration process and confirm its willingness to enter into discussions with any serious potential bidders for the Club.
We met with the administrators yesterday to make it clear that we intend to be part of a solution for the Club, and to ensure a fast and fair resolution is achieved for all parties. We outlined that this includes working with potential purchasers to help provide various financing solutions to the Club that would be attractive to new owners.
Ticketus believes that the best outcome for Rangers, its fans, Ticketus and our investors is for the administration process to be concluded as soon as possible, with a purchaser found who is able to bring stability to the Club.
Ticketus has an obligation to its investors to pursue all avenues to ensure that the ticket purchase agreement it entered into with the Club is honoured, and we are committed to going to the lengths necessary to ensure that the future of the Club is preserved and its agreement with Ticketus fulfilled. We believe that our investors' interests are aligned to those looking to safeguard the Club's future.
We have already been in contact with a number of other key stakeholders, including potential bidders and fans' representatives, and believe working collaboratively with all parties to create a solution for the Club that puts it on a secure financial footing must be everyone's priority.
Ticketus looks forward to continuing to work with the administrators and serious potential bidders to secure a positive outcome for the Club.

For all media enquiries, please contact:

Luther Pendragon
Oli Winton / Leigh Marshall / Simon Whale
ticketus@luther.co.uk / +44 (0)207 618 9104

Notes to Editors
1.Ticketus first entered a ticket purchase agreement with Rangers Football Club in 2009 when the Club was owned by Sir David Murray. The agreement was for Ticketus to purchase some of the Club’s future season tickets in advance at a discounted price, which the Club would then resell at the intended sale price.
2.Ticketus’ agreement is with Rangers Football Club plc as the entity which originally owned the tickets.
I did also read an article suggesting that Ticketus may well even consider being part of a consortium. But that was someone else writing about the situation and potential bidders.
Apparently Dave King is over in China this now according to Paul Murray on talk sprt- PM putting the hours in.
You can read so much into this whole affair, numbing.
Ma daughter got of hospital the night to -then you hear this news.
cheers
Iam Legend

Hope ur daughters allright mate. heres hopin there must be a consortium of some sort somewhere. craig+babybear

07 Mar 2012 18:42:17
An administrator's role after being appointed by the court is:

1) Ensure any creditors get paid (fully or in part)
2) Sustain the viability of the organisation by making necessary cost cutting measures.

It's been 3 full weeks with:

1) No cva being sought with creditors
2) No cost cutting measures being implemented.

These are day one negotiations, its now been 21 days without progress and the club being even further in debt due to Administrator costs.

This whole debacle is the work of people with personal, selfish financial gain.
Duff & Phelps along with Mr Craig Whyte need to account for there actions with the necessary authorities thereafter holding them to account.
Glasgow Rangers fc IS more than a fc, it is a legacy of memories between fathers and sons and as such any persons responsible in its demise should feel shame.

Admin stated today there was no deal with the players but more importantly no deal with creditors, liquidation I am afraid

07 Mar 2012 18:26:52
paul murray claimed he couldnt understand why mr whyte was buying rangers due to the big tax case looming....fast forward 9 months and paul murray wants to by the club with the same problem only with more debt added to it....strange man is paul murray.

I don't think that's a fair accusation mate lol. A think the guys just trying to save the club.

Dtp89

Coz we r fuc#ed otherwise

TB

Unless he has a spare £100m , Rangers are f*cked !

07 Mar 2012 18:15:37
There can only be 2 outcomes as far as I can see in the next few days

1) Release the entire first team squad and finish the season with the youths, lets face it there are 9 meaningless games left

2)Liquidation

I really think it is as simple as that, no one is going to buy the club with the possibility of a huge tax bill lingering.

Option 1 would get Rangers to the end of the season, buy time to let prospective buyers get themselves into position to steady the club and start from scratch, yes it would take years to work back, but in time Rangers would get there.

Come on Administrators, you need to make brave decisions now!

07 Mar 2012 18:13:22
Sad sad day for honest rangers fans. MMI2009

07 Mar 2012 17:32:30
Murray - Liar, cheat, con man
Whyte -liar! Cheat, con man
The fans -shattered

Rangers unlikely to be able to fulfill their fixtures?

Interested in the line that unless an unplanned source of income arrives we are in trouble. Is this a veiled suggestion that we the fans need to bail them out? Well no money from me until whyte is no longer involved. He bought the club with our money and now his administrators seem to be suggesting that our money is required.why did d £ p not reduce costs on day one? Maybe working for whyte and nobody else

What are you saying? Your hate for Whyte is stronger than your love for Rangers? well GTF

All pre planned mate, was plan A from beginning.

Best wishes to all you Rangers fans from a Manchester United fan - I've been to Ibrox on both occassions United played you in the Champs League and find it unthinkable that a great Club with your proud history and traditions can find itself in such a state. I genuinely hope that something positive can be salvaged from the current wreckage and that your Club can continue. That's the thing about proper supporters of all football clubs, there are far more things that we have in common than divide us. As a 'Northern Soul' boy as well, I'll leave you with our motto: 'Keep The Faith'.

To the first answer, don't talk s**t. It is people like you, who no doubt thought whyte was the saviour, that had let the charlatan do this to us. The man is a crook, take the hint

All the best mate, but i think reality is beginning to bite here and we might wish things were otherwise but it looks like we are going into receivership - i sure that was what Whyte had planned all along.

07 Mar 2012 17:26:37
What happened to the players playing for free

I've got a roofing job on if you fancy giving me a hand for FREE.

The agents still need their fees

07 Mar 2012 17:25:25
We should start an email barrage on mr Murray demanding that he hols his hands up and puts his hand in his pocket? He got us into this mess and is hiding away. Frankly he should be in the bar l and whyte should be his bum chum

The big hoose is shutting doon. haha

No sky tv money then, eh...haha

07 Mar 2012 17:23:39
I fear the worst now...No business man will buy the club with the debts that are still there.Until we know tne outcome of this tax case plus all tne other creditors ..it would never happen in a few days ..After kings statement this morning ,get the feeling we are now going into liquidation

Your team has f%cked the taxman . now by no decision on the b t c the taxman has f%CKED your team right back

Always the plan

07 Mar 2012 17:13:21
FOR SALE! one football club,rather shabby,needs attention no tax, and needs an asbestos problem sorted. fixed price. £100m. will accept a pair of brown brogues.

I'll start the bidding at 25p if you include 50,000 blue plastic seats . however , i will be selling the marble staircase to raise the 25p .

In Lawell we trust
jimi88

07 Mar 2012 16:58:32
Club might not complete fixtures! That's why Celtic held back the money.

Yeah whatever floats your boat pal....trueblue.....

07 Mar 2012 16:18:59
All the talk is about who Rangers supporters think they would like to see buy the club and sit on the board,some of those suggestion simply wont happen,so lets get real
Paul Murray in stating he has an interest,is the only person to date that has actually said he is interested in trying to put a group together to purchase the club.and it might just be a good idea to actually hope that this does happen,unless come Friday the 16th some serious names appear that also show a genuine interest,but at the moment it is Paul Murray.
Going forward and although they no doubt do not have the finance to put in bids themselves,i wouls like to see the likes of Walter Smith and John Greig given roles within the club going forward,that can start to repair the damage and reputation that has happened as a result of others who have serious question to answer.
Although Directors can hide behind Limited Companies and Debts here's hoping that if Rangers FC are found guilty on any of the counts mentioned that the Legal Practice can hold them accountable,for the damage they have caused.

Too late ,just been announced tomorrow is the last day for a real bid.thank the players for this

There won't be a rangers fc

07 Mar 2012 16:14:08
Why did none of the fans question were the money came from when Murray was splashing millions? Fans are just as much to blame I'm afraid.

LMAO are you for real. We fans are just as much to blame? Ok then ya tool.
Leeroy

Dont be stupid ,the fans have nothing to do with the running of the club finances

What a lot of nonsense. David Murray, who was the owner of Rangers, is at fault not Rangers fans. How can directors flaunt tax laws – if that is true – and walk away without punishment. Yet you blame the fans. Get a life.

Every club spends money you moron! Why don't you give your club's owner a wee tinkle and demand to know how he can afford to buy players and still manage to do his weekly big shop at M&S.

pappy

Fans are not to blame, I was a supporter long before david murray and will be long after this sordid part of our clubs history has gone away. I was brought up in a Rangers family and first supported then followed my team. I too watched in awe at the change in my club remembering the excitement of the newspapers bringing like today, headlines involving my team on a daily basis . We have gone full circle from euphoria to dejection, during that time we had no reason to believe the club we loved was not in safe hands, after all i have watched it has shown how easy it is to disregard honesty and basic principles if you are wealthy and it seems above the law of the land. even as we await answers again on a daily basis our club cannot move on and those fans you wish to blame cannot begin to work at repairing our custodians mess . Remember Rangers are down we are not dead .
Highland Bear .

Yeah and you have access to all of Dermotts accounts and businesses, and where were you fuds in 94 before the bunnet saved you. You only got on board when the club was stabilised.

Why did no one question where all the money was coming from, do u really think rangers were bringing in the money they were spending? Fans need to hold hands up and ask why they never questioned it at the time.

To the very first poster here :

that is the worst post that has ever been put on here, and im surprised the ed has let it go on to be honest.

james rfc 1980

07 Mar 2012 15:17:52
Judging by Rangers fans i am in contact with it would appear the players need a reality check.By refusing,by all accounts,a fair deal regarding wage cuts and "reasonable offer" transfers in the summer,they might have shown themselves to be what we always suspected.Before anybody starts about McCulloch's play for free(we dont know the terms he wanted)one thing stinks.If as we are led to believe,these players love Rangers,why no defferall of wages. They would get their money in summer.But it would appear they ALL want free transfers instead of wage payments back dated.To drive into training in cars costing between £50-70k and expect ordinary fans sympathy is ,i think,an outrage.Greedy,grasping,self serving,in some case,millionaires who have lost touch with reality.Sack them and move on,one quick cut and show them no player is bigger than any club.Fans are the real custodians of Rangers as they pay the wages.

One small but important point - How will the club pay deferred wages in the summer? Tooth Fairy?

Absolutley the money they get paid is a disgrace anyway much more than their talents deserve. half of them would struggle to get a job if they werent footballers.

Would you be happy to take a 75 per cent wage cut. Just because they earn £25 k a week their lifestyle still has to be paid for. Their motgages will be ten times or more than the norm. It is not the players fault we are in the mess. Suggesting they sell their cars to bail out whyte and Murray is ludicrous

I m not sure they can defer wages what happens if we r still in admin and cant pay up...craig+babybear

You contradicted yourself all over that post by saying " we don't know the terms he wanted" to slag a player,but in a general sweeping statement you say all the players are being greedy when you haven't a clue what any of them are looking for! I think the best thing to do is wait till things become more transparent before you start mouthing off. Only when we get all the facts of who was wanting what and when etc. then we can judge for ourselves who was being 'greedy,grasping and self serving'!

Duff and Phelps have refused wage deferrals on at least two occasions. Their aim is liquidation and blame it on the players.

I was the original poster.The players would still get money owed to them as creditors,thats guaranteed.If i was threatened with the sack or take a 75% wage cut for three months,with the balance guaranteed yes i would accept that.I also NEVER said anything about selling cars,my point was if you can afford a vehicle at that price i would think you might have cash in the bank.and to the last reply;i would guess what they are wanting is not in Rangers best interest otherwise it would be sorted by now. That makes them,to me,greedy

If they want free transfers in summer get rid of them this is a must go way youth

All players are greedy and to think they are doing the club a favour by taking a 3 month 75% pay cut is ridiculous. wow 25 thousand a week they have had for years and to go to 6000 a week for a couple of months how could the wee angels possibly survive on a measly 6000 a week. people defending them get a grip. and for the idiot above who says would you take a 75% wage cut if it was your employer then the answer is at 200 pound per week no i wouldnt but at 25000 a week for 3 months to save the company and normal workers jobs absof***inlutley. they should be ashamed of themselves. rangers men and love the club my arse

Try and read you berk. I never stated anything other than to save my job,and have the balance guaranteed,i would take a hit for three months

07 Mar 2012 15:03:53
Bolton could be set to resurrect their interest in Gregg Wylde after the winger walked away from crisis club Rangers.

The Scotland under-21 international volunteered to leave the Scottish giants without taking a redundancy package, despite only recently signing a five-year contract.
The youngster is effectively a free agent and Wanderers are now able to snap him up outside of the transfer window. Owen Coyle failed with a £400,000 bid for the player in the summer before he committed his future to the Gers and the Scot is sure to back in for him now he is without a club.
"I volunteered to walk with no redundancy package today to help the other people in the club who have families, like the kitchen staff," Wylde said of his decision.
"I offered to walk away yesterday and the club told me today that they would accept that offer. At the moment I have nowhere to go and I don't have another club."
That should not last for long though and Bolton are unlikely to be the only club who are interested. ..jsm

With a rather large signing on fee i would think.left to save jobs my ass.left cos his agent had a deal lined up

07 Mar 2012 13:30:40
to the post above, if you just paid your money then we wouldnt be acting in any kind of way....simples

07 Mar 2012 13:24:19
i do apoligise if this sounds daft but is paul murry a good guy in this saga?. SW

No did not see much of him over the last two years .Plus he does not have that much money ..He and the rest are sitting waiting on the club going into liquidation
Makes sense club no debt etc

FOR THE WAGES OF SIN....IS DEATH!!..ROMANS 6.23.......perfectly written for rfc 2012!!!!!!11

He has a good pedigree working in the german banking industry, cant see him walking into this without big back up... craig+babybear

07 Mar 2012 13:16:13
So we have King (who is involved in
a 250 million tax fraud in South Africa
suing Murray who has ran Rangers
into the ground and left millions of
debt ..there's only one way to sort
this out get them on Harry Hills TV
Burp ...FIGHT !!

Murray actuall halved the rangers debt when he was there... so stop spewing craig whyte jsm...

07 Mar 2012 11:52:25
The Sun says that Whylde has said
that Jardine has advised him never
to sigh for Celtic. When did Celtic
express an interest? We have
better players sitting on our bench.

TBH what ppl usually say and what the papers report are usually completely different............JS

07 Mar 2012 11:34:29
Does anybody know if Wylde goes to another club would we get a development fee for him?

JP

Nae chance. Airdrie couldnt afford it.

No - we did not develop him... Have you seen his crossing ability or him kick the ball with his right foot?

Best place for him is away from Ibrox, good luck to the boy.

GB

To the above poster, just seein all the tic fans comments about him, ie his crossings ng ability, they don't realise that it was because of the tic youth system that made him p!sh haa, jut a bit of banter btw!, stewie

07 Mar 2012 11:08:08
I am sick of hearing people saying player are greedy for not accepting the 75% wage cut. I tell you all what, why don't the people who believe this offer 75% of their own wages to our club for the next three months. That will sort the problem right out! {Ed001's Note - but you are forgetting that ordinary people don't earn enough in a year to be set up for life, unlike footballers.}

Six poor soldiers dead in afgan prob on around 250 300 a week,n tplayers cant play football for same,how do u not think their greedy,what would b said of armed forces if they all said iam not protecting country unless get 20 grand a week,@ end of rangers dobe this themselves n more real life situation far worse than your plight,reality check or what

Thought that myself this morning, poor guys and what must thier families be going through ? Puts things in perspective. Tragic........JS

07 Mar 2012 11:04:25
Interesting bit in Dave King's statement where he suggests previous board member's should return in the near future. I'd happily seen Martin Bain, Alistair Johnston, John Greig, and Paul Murray all return.

GovanFR

Why would you want Bain back when he tried to sting Gers for more money, knowing the state their in!?

Disagree mate not Martin Bain he proved he has only ££ signs in his heart not Rangers Highwayman

So claiming money owed by your former employer is a bad thing to do?

Ok Gonna bite with the claiming money from a former employer is a bad thing ----- Yes it is when that company is a football club and your helping on it's way down the tubes with your money claims --- thus proving they are not in your heart -- you are money motivated --- so have no place in being there in the future as the GovanFR would like to see as stated in the original post Highwayman

As a Celtic supporters I'd love to see these old board members back running Rangers.

I would like to see them back. Martin Bain was good at his job, especially at when it came to signing players. He was able to conduct the clubs business with dignity. To be honest if I was unfairly sacked I'd want compensation. He has a family to support.

GovanFR

07 Mar 2012 11:01:26
Of course liquidation is inevitable and potentially criminal conviction. The EBTs are legal. The binding non-disclosed side letters are not

Prepare for the worst. SDM you are a shocker, Whyte is just the patsy.

07 Mar 2012 10:56:20
It makes me chuckle. Theres obviously some hatred towards "sly or s*y sports" "radio snyde" "B8c Scotland" why then do they continue to watch or listen to them? :) just a wee change of subject folks ;)

The same terms are used on the manky mobs rumour page so w&nd your neck in. Billy the bear. W.A.T.P.

07 Mar 2012 10:33:42
Dave King statement on Sly Sports ...Liquidation is inevitable.....I still have hope fellows bears.

Bluebear

Let us not forget that this is the same man who is bein chased by the South African tax authorities for a lot more money than even we owe, fring pan and fire come to mind anyone?

Paul Murray has just said that he disagree's with King and believes liquidation is not inevitable. He says he is saying that because he is in close contact with the administrators.

GovanFR

The admin team will not say that there is a danger of liquidation before they really have to. If they did, all prospective creditors would stop trading with Rangers immediately as they won't want to be owed money they might never receive.

1903

07 Mar 2012 10:30:31
Rangers director Dave King fears the club will not exit administration and that liquidation is "inevitable".

In a statement, King said the club's owner Craig Whyte has "abused the loyalty of fans" by mortgaging future sales of tickets to Ticketus.

King also claims that Sir David Murray had no knowledge that proof of funds supplied by Whyte to purchase the club was secured by season ticket sales.

07 Mar 2012 10:17:54
awakening each morning hoping,,nay praying that there will be some good news from by beloved Rangers,,but alas it just seems to get worse every day,,its like groundhog day after getting beaten by septic the day before,,,only this is 100 times sorer,,still living in hope though,maybe today we will get even a glimmer of light ,,PLEASE

07 Mar 2012 10:15:31
Nailed on fact – If Rangers do go to the wall, and the newco is successful with making their application to the 3rd Div. and Ibrox is too expensive to maintain on a weekly basis that they would be welcome to ground share with St Anthony’s at McKenna Park.

07 Mar 2012 10:13:32
Dave King to sue SSM for £20m which he will reinvest in Rangers if he wins. Stv.

07 Mar 2012 10:09:30
early days gers but murray supposedly asked for a fit and proper check on him for the blue knights source blue knights page.... just passing on what ive heard any poor responses and the babybear gets released and shes a fiesty little bugger... craig+babybear fingers crossed we can come through this with half decent people on board, lets pay our dues and crack on

07 Mar 2012 09:58:13
paul murray 10.45 on talksport......hopefully with some good news for us rangers fans.
j1985

07 Mar 2012 09:30:03
Well done shagger, finnaly someone connected with rangers threatens legal action about lies being generated by the press. Wish others in our club would do the same then we might get only the truth, every day the daily rebel for three weeks has said that liquidation or redundancies that day so why were they not threatened with legal action if they print more rumours as fact .BBC not much better. Again well done shagger

Lol you cant make it up A liar who lied to Police is being lauded as a shining example. Think about it if the stories were lies they would all be suing so therefore most are true. Liars cheats ,swindlers and Tax dodgers thats just the ownwers

07 Mar 2012 08:59:39
I've just realised that following Rangers all my life has been a bad career move, because every Celtic fan I speak to is either a tax expert, a lawyer or works for an administration company!!!

The Pilot!

Class m8

07 Mar 2012 08:44:28
these admin people keep draging this out admin at other clubs get rid of players straight away and this should have been done by now at rangers the only way forward for us is youth players and get rid of high earners so then we will run in profit

07 Mar 2012 08:03:19
Read the record and although its a load of Craig Whyte! The one thing that does jump out during this supposed conversation is "after the insolvency there will be no tax liability". His plan all along as well as those idiots D&P? We deserve the truth this whole thing is starting to stink!

07 Mar 2012 06:48:47
Can someone explain why Campbell
Ogilvie has been silent throughout
this piece since it began. He is an
accountant to trade and must have
been advising SDM and the board on
EBT and other financial matters. Is
he allowed to speak? I suspect he
has more access to the facts pre
Craig Whyte than anyone but his
continued silence concerns me.
Surely if nothing else we all deserve
some honesty by now

He might be packing his bags for a wee holiday To a country with no extradition agreement. A Tim

07 Mar 2012 05:39:54
Wylde and Celic gone, both were not very good anyway. With a bit of luck Wylde may get a team who can teach him how to cross the ball. He is the poor mans Forrest...

Agree celik was average at best shame Wylde left tho only 20 he will develop

And even forrest isnt that good

07 Mar 2012 02:21:28
Hi folks. The situation is very grim now. Speaking with 2 first team regulars Im led to believe LIQUIDATION is coming and there is no avoiding it. All the dreamers who keep saying 'we will be back bigger and stronger'?? Maybe someone can explain exactly how anything will be stronger? Get real lads the situation is already too far gone. The only thing that will become stronger is Celtic. We are doomed and this stronger rubbish is just that. Murrays ego caused it, and we stood by believing we were invincible.
Its all over now.

'Stronger' My a***.

Well done Celtic. You win the battle and the war....

Which two first teamers ? Do you think two Rangers players would talk to an obvious Tim about something as important as that, get a grip man stop talking crap, Ed this obviously a lie why did you post it {Ed001's Note - how do you know?}

Here we go again - the paranoia brigade with the 'you've posted something I disagree with so you must be a tim' nonsense.

07 Mar 2012 00:49:05
Craig Whyte Agrees £10 million Rangers investment with Tommy in Glasgow, made up interested party over the internet, what will this guy sink to next! ( source today's Daily Record)