Rangers Banter Archive January 07 2015

07 Jan 2015 19:13:18
I think, like most of my fellow fans, that since we were allowed to continue as a club we have went through every emotion. Many situations appeared pivotal, but I feel that now is the moment.
Many call for a total boycott and others cry for caution. I can see the merits in both but I will stick with caution. My biggest fear is that, when cornered, the powers that be will cash in. I honestly don't see Ashley walk away, for want of a better phrase, and will ensure he maximises his position. I have my thoughts on why he was allowed to gain this foothold, but until an egm can be called we are at our most vulnerable.
The most interesting comment from the board was their valuation of the company [ £100million. ] Exaggerated, yes, but much closer than the post liquidation purchase amount.
Personally, I agree with redsox555's heart but feel that JG's thinking makes more sense. Namely, we should not give them the position that enables them to bleed us with a further loan, due to lack of funds, and maximise the input of cash in the short term. Show them what they could have had and give Dave King etc. a bit of breathing space.
The worst situation would be that Ashley gives our club an £8million loan and secures it against Ibrox. So he guarantees us solvency for security against our main assets and then moving him will be well nigh impossible.

Billyb I said that months ago about putting them in a corner but I don't think we need to be fearfull of ashley he has a reputation to preserve and sports direct also besides rangers are big earners for sports direct there seems to be mass hysteria about ashley? why

07 Jan 2015 20:11:31
Your still missing the point Billyb, if Ashley wants Ibrox he'll get it, the more money we put in the more money the board will sqander and they'll still be sitting saying we need more money. I won't be £500 out of pocket when Ashley gets Ibrox! Anybody who goes to a game should be branded a scab as with the mine workers during the strike action, we must unite and give the board nothing.

07 Jan 2015 20:19:22
BiGWULL He has got a reputation to preserve,a rep for NEVER losing out in business,so if his nose has been put out of joint by being blindsided by Park etc he could be very difficult to deal with.

07 Jan 2015 20:35:23
why not the hysteria about Ashley

Does not matter what u think of he inherited a bigger mess at newcastle and has turned the club into being profitable and first and foremost that's what we need at this time rangers are salvageable shortly if we keep borrowing money we may not be as far as park and co blindsiding ashley he blinded sided everyone taking control for £3m every had theoppurtunity to do the same

Gkk unless I have lost my marbles if he ends up in control I hope he is sucessful because scince whyte took over we have been losers at every cut and turn

2] You are missing the point, when their is no cash in the coffers they have to drain the assets and, thus, the predicament. Always remember the board HAVE to act in a manner that is in the interest of shareholders.
Gkk--spot on.

08 Jan 2015 00:01:06
Billy b you come across as a sensible man so I'd urge you consider what we have to gain by being cautious? These people have brought Rangers to their knees for there own ends and ultimately will continue to bleed the club dry if.

If they are allowed to continue that is! Most people on here now are of the opinion of stop the cancer even if that means doing the unthinkable and turning off the life support. We simply can't go on like this any longer it's not Rangers any more mate.

I've got photos in the house of my Grampa standing on the old slopes wearing a flat cap in a sea of flat caps,it runs deep is what I'm saying mate, it's not a decision people are taking lightly.

To me Rangers is a part of who I am but we all need to realise it's not the current team,Murray park or even Ibrox that makes the club, the true beating heart is us the support. Always was and always will be.

If making the ultimate sacrifice to stay away forces these imposters out then no matter the consequences we have to do it and do it now. Rangers till I die mate,you understand.

What may be more worrying is that he can buy and sell every single one of the "saviours" many times over so someone offering money will not frighten MA. If he decides he wants this then he will get it, in one guise or another, it may be via a company in the US, or the Far East but ultimately MA will be behind it.

Cicsy, I understand exactly where you are coming from and my sentiments are exactly the same. It is approaching 60years from the day my auld man took me to Ibrox for the first time. Over the years they have been integral in my life. I absolutely detest where we are now and that is not just on the park. To see Ashley stick his two fingers up to anything in his path, especially to us[the fans], makes my blood boil. To see all the backroom deals that have been done makes me sick. To see the calibre of people that have controlled the finances of our club, for self gain. makes me sad.
A long-winded way to explain why I still advocate caution, yes, but I truly believe that this could be the end of our club. If it is not approached in a sensible, business-like manner the end-game will be upon us. Our club will be stripped to a shell.

08 Jan 2015 21:00:24
Yeah Billyb it seems we are like minded in all things Rangers,it's only our opinion of how best to rid ourselves of these people that differs. I respect your views mate having read your last post carefully but for me it's clear cut now. Even the most deliberate and considered business minds can reach the stage when they have to go with their gut.

I'm 48 years old so knee jerk reactions are few and far between for me now,it's taken a long long time for me to get to the point of turning my back on Rangers. I do however genuinely feel it's not our Rangers any more,and in my mind the potential to become an empty shell you mentioned Is already a reality.

I firmly believe if Ashley understands we aren't going to be his next cash cow then he will cut the best deal he can and move on. We as Supporters are only his potential customers and Ibrox and Rangers are only a vehicle for him to promote his business interests.

We've got a crucial roll to play here and louder we can shout "no thanks " by means of an all out boycott of both the stadium and all his other business concerns the quicker he will realise we aren't worth it to him. As it stands today Mike Ashley is the biggest single obstacle standing in the way of Rangers progress but All obstacles can be overcome if we put our minds to it!

07 Jan 2015 16:03:12
Reading all the posts I can feel the hurt from all the genuine Rangers fans, boycott or no boycott, which faction do we give our support and money to?
Some posters like George (now redsox555) have tried to drum up support among all the fans with limited success, so here are some ideas from someone looking in.
Has anyone thought among you the fans of contacting your counterparts at Celtic for some new ideas. The Celtic for Change and other factions rallied together for one common cause, they also did it when social media was not as strong as it is these days so you should be able to organise more people more quickly.
Off the top of my head I can think of other protests away from Ibrox, the Easdales run a bus company PEACEFULLY protest there and stage a fares boycott, also Ashley is all about his sports merchandising protest outside these kind of places, if these guys are losing money in THEIR pockets they will soon negotiate with the fans.
Be willing to talk to anyone with good ideas.

Yes T I just posted that a total boycott of all Ashley outlets is the only thing these persons understand I think if we get board binned by EGM in very near future then boycott all Rangers kit and buy the red/black kit to benefit team only the Ashley will earn nothing out his con deal signed off for some undercounter payoff to Green and pals (only logical explanation for kit deal and 1 pound stadium naming deal)

We will be back to take our title back in a year or two and hope that the banter returns to past piss taking between us Bears and your lot

Social media is the way to organise I have posted that on Banter page

redsox555

07 Jan 2015 12:23:10
Does anyone else see some light at the end of the tunnel if paper reports are true that king has bought more shares and we are eyeing a move for a highy rated Ian Cathro surely we must have some sort of plan or investment coming in if we want a new manager like that to rebuild our whole system plus he had a good write up on bring in young players and youth systems

Scott87. what paper saying king bought more shares.

07 Jan 2015 13:10:58
Its a small piece in the Currant Bun.
1 million shares from River Mercantile apparently.

Cheers mate

You all know I would have loved alex Neil to be our next manager. quite a lot dismissed this suggestion. seemingly Norwich are willing to take a chance on him. missed the boat!

I think the tactics by King and the 3 Bears have been very clever they managed to silently move in on 30% of shares that anyone could have bought if they had been clever enough. This is a game changer our team is in the door now and board change/removal is a certainty. My personal belief is they may be courting Blue Pitch and Marguerita to put nails in the coffin before they have a press conference, the silence for me says they are doing more moves with lawyers also.

Lets just hope it happens before Wallace sold and Ashley is allowed tp lend another few million against our remaining assets.

redsox555

Redsox, your and others logic really has me baffled

"Rangers men" that you wanted in, have just bought 34% of the club and you want to keep boycotting?

sorry don't get it! I thought you may have wanted to go to the game and show your support for them

and to use all that has gone on in the past as a reason boycott also does not make sense to me

We should be demonstrating for change inside Ibrox every second Saturday

JG

07 Jan 2015 14:13:16
This is borderline infatuation noo big man!Anybody who comes on here regularly knows other posters managerial preferances,leave it at that man!We missed the boat?We've no got a bean for a new manager!

Logic is simple they are pocketing every penny that they can before they are ousted this means logic tells you to stop giving them more money to pocket. that's my logic in thinking no more money till they are ousted, King and the 3 Bears are only now able to buy shares due to the boycott affecting things so much shareholders have realised now the current board are striping Rangers bare so they sold to other buyers to try to stop this. So unless we continue to starve them of funds we will not get rid of them quickly. It needs to be quick to try and avoid more asset sales and loans secured on assets by Ashley as this is the ONLY thing left that he can do

redsox555

Jg the boycotters are as bad as the japanese kamakazi pilots total nuts they are now the biggest danger to the club the more money they keep off the club the more they have to borrow

Bigwull - aye like kamakazi's who have had too much saki and sink their own ship!

JG

07 Jan 2015 07:43:42
On the protest thing I posted a long time ago for months under my previous login i'd - george (forgot my password dumbass) and I had loads of people agreeing and replying they would all meet at Ibrox on a set date a home game on Saturday.

10 people turned up (Les Therealranger SoS's Craig and 7 others) not what I had hoped for coming up from London.

My personal feeling on this is it needs to be spread on FB, Twitter etc etc (ED - Social Media if you can't put site names?) until it reaches every Rangers minded family. Only in this way can you garner the numbers needed to spread the word and turn into a full scale 100% boycott and serious News at 10pm in BBC level protest.

If you think back to 9 in a row we had thousands of fans leaving early so our support has never been an easy to unify support and even more so if you take into account the many different levels of fan profile (extreme old school like myself :-) to the young nuts brigade and family men with there kids etc etc) we are a nightmare to organise the way celtic managed to back in their kelly/white/mccann protest days.

I do agree with some of the posters on here that think a figure head is definatley needed to unify and lead all our factions as one. Me personally it would be John Grieg as he has shown the attitude these persons deserve from the beginning but I have heard he is not keen on this type of role. So I would hope that one of our other favourites and with a desire to fight could step up to the plate, not a big fan of John Brown as he loses the plot way to easily playing into their hands. The man I think could take them on and is eloquent and fearless is Souness I would love him to take on the role now especially as he now has a large % share ownership of True Bears he can stand up for if they wanted him also and to lead us fans.

Any other suggestions? Though Souness should be the perfect choice I know I would s**t it from him face to face lolol

So fellow bears if you want a real 50000 Rangers family protest get on to your smart phones and use the social media that is tailor made for this type of protest

RTID redsox555

(ED my george logon won't work and I did remember my password happy to stick with this though. george/redsox555)

{Ed001's Note - did you request a new password? By the way, Souness is unlikely to be the best choice, he really does care, but he cares more about money and he will always be ready to drop you for a media job etc. I love Souness, he is one of the best players I have ever seen, but that is how he is. He sees dollar signs and forgets everything else. Might be best to look elsewhere.}

ED yes but remembered old one and it still doesn't work. not to worry just as easy to be redsox555 :-) maybe you are right about Souness I can see the money thing in him. Also maybe it is King we should now be looking to with no obvious player to step up that would unify all sides outside of J Greig.
King is the main man now with the Bears and if as I am praying he is working away behind scenes to get more shares to guarantee the 51% required then I am happy to wait for that to happen though the sooner the better asset sales wise.
I would say one thing to my fellow Bears possibly worried about another Admin. This will not happen now Ashley might have tried to draw is 3million out through player sales and asset sales then force us into Admin, he cannot do this now with the money invested by King and the 3 Bears he would by law not be allowed to force us into Admin when there are clearly funding packages available. That is our only consolation at present

redsox555

07 Jan 2015 19:14:48
Keep on keeping on George its been a long 18months

07 Jan 2015 21:49:06
George. do you think Sumer's owes Ashley money?

Ed001
Not sure what he gets now from Sky but 4 years ago when I worked for Sky all the pundits were on£2000 a night

{Ed001's Note - I would assume it is more as I know that ex and current players can get that much just for doing a q&a at a local pub these days.}

Les he seems petrified to lose the place on board which seems strange for an alledged to bank man. think it is more likely he ate all his pies at Xmas and Ashley going ban pies from Ibrox :-)

On a positive note it was great to finally see 10000 signing up for a protest instantly I am hoping the Hearts game will a last see a proper protest of over 30000 outside the ground surrounding the Main Door

redsox555

08 Jan 2015 09:59:43
Sad bit of this is they sold jelovic just to pay duff and Phelps. in actual fact we paid for our own fraud

06 Jan 2015 22:24:38
Guys below trying to orgaibse a protest a sayd few weeks ago let's do one at the hearts game and got no reply but noe the board have knocked back the amerucan guys bid we should protest now? If anybody is up for planning a protest using every website and fellow rabgers fans then i'm all for it. Dint think a walk out will work as they all ready have our money I think a big sing song outside?