Rangers Banter Archive December 07 2011

07 Dec 2011 21:29:11
Come on basel, love sir alecs face when that second goal went in

07 Dec 2011 20:47:50
This is not really a rumour but a question everyone, how much would you be happy with for Jelavic, personally I don't beleive he will leave in January or even next Summer (if we're lucky). But he will leave eventually, he wants to play in the Premiership and is too good for the SPL.

Maybe about £14-15million I would be pleased with and you can agree or disagree with that figure. And you could go out and buy some big name premiership player with that money- and they could be pish. With Jelavic it is the crcumstances we got him in, the fact that he was kind of unheard of by people in the UK, way down in the Austrian league and we poached him for a bargain price £4 million, the facts that we hhad no money, our squad was down to the bare bones and we put all our eggs in one basket... and he turned out to be worth it, we now have an international striker with one of the best teams in the world (Croatia), who is rated in double figure millions, and wanted by clubs all over europe.

That my friends, is why I think Jelavic is perhaps the best signing Rangers have ever made.
And thats what annoys me, whether we get £10 million or £20 million or whatever mad sum of money for him, we will never be able to sign such a class player for as low a price, no, Jelavic is unreplaceable, and such a nice guy too, loves Rangers and like Weiss will always be a true blue long after he leaves Rangers for bigger and better things.

Is this a timothy being sarcastic? No true Gers man could come up with so much sh1te surely

You are a clown or you have been drinking heavily

Jelavic is not as good as is made out. He has flattered to deceive far too often. If we can get £7mill for him, pretty good business. He is certainly not up there with Mols or Prso to name 2 strikers we bought. I keep saying it, he really needs to get the finger out, and soon.

Hmmmmmm, is original poster a fan of the green and white? Over £10mill, not on your life mate. When he eventually leaves, I hope he can progress, and would like to see him being successful in EPL. Have to say though, he is very over rated.

Rod Wallace
Michael Mols
Ronald de Boer
Shota Arveladze
Claudio Cannigia
Dado Prso
Nacho Novo
Kris Boyd
Kenny Miller

All players who have made a bigger impact and will go down as far better signings for Rangers than Jelavic. And that's just the forwards!

I like him as a player, but people need to realise we are clutching at straws by saying he is worth £15-20m because in reality, if we get an offer of £7m or more he will most likely be away. He is NOT as good as some Gers fans often make out, and isn't a patch on Mols, de Boer, Prso or the likes of Henrik Larsson for that matter.

Doesn't seem interested I'm afraid. Time to be realistic guys.

Steven.

Gabriel amato

Rino gattuso lorenzo amruso arthur numam the hammer

jelavic is a good player but agree 7/8 mill and he'll be off

Wullie

Original poster . ARE YOU OK. you seem to be delusional.

What about lafferty, Beattie and healy

The service to the forwards is nowhere near what it used to be, mo edu, ortiz, mckay, mcculloch, Davis, when mols was here we had gio, de boer etc.

I am sorry but Jelavic is class and with good players around him (Naismith) he proves this.

He is one of the best strikers (technically) we have had at our club in many years
To say Kris Boyd is a better signing (How many euro goals or goals against celtic?) is rediculous. He is just going through a bad patch the same as all strikers do.

However to say that we would even get close to £10-£15M for him is mental.
I reckon in the winter window we'll accept £5-£6M plus Dorrans from WBA for him and then would like to see us use whatever percentage Whyte allows in a quality young Striker

Rikkisixx

Jelavic doesn't even manage to particularly stand out every week playing against average teams. And I stand by what I said, Boyd cost around £400k and scored well over 100 goals, winning us 2 titles in the process. He very rarely played against Celtic or in Europe which knocked his confidence when he eventually did get a chance. Jelavic will not have the same impact on our history as Boyd did, as he will be away in January or the summer and to be quite honest this season he just hasn't looked interested.

Wake up guys.

Steven.

07 Dec 2011 19:57:37
Fc basel proving u don't need a big transfer budget to compete

Not having a dig at you but do you know what their transfer budget is? Total guess from me here but I'm willing to say they are probably richer than our top two put together and seem to compete in the UCL every year! So how do you know they dont have a big transfer budget?
Kingbear

Swiss sides are no richer than old firm, they have 9 first team players 24 and under

That may be so and we should probably follow their blueprint but competeing in the UCL most seasons surely throws them more money, therefore bigger transfer budget?
Kingbear

Apart from this year we have been in the champions league for years but have threw away money on plonkers like Beattie, instead of giving youth a chance like basel

It's a myth we don't spend money,

Whittker 1.8 million, Boca 400k, goian 1 million, Wallace, 1.5 million.

Naismith 1.8 million, edu 2.5 million, Davis 3 million, papac 1 million

Jelavic 4 million, lafferty 3.5 million

Over 20 million on them 10 players alone, I bet it never cost basel that money to put their team together

Ok then , I'll ask you this.. would you be willing to forefeit success in the next say 3-5 seasons to nurture and bring through a team of successful homegrown youngsters that may go on to win domestic trophies and reach european tournaments proper ?
Kingbear

We ain't going have a choice it might take 5 years to sort the mess we are in.

King Bear I'm with you 100% would love to see that happen

Lenny

I'd love it if we had 6 or 7 Scottish players 24 or under in the starting line up that could do the biz domestically as it would no doubt do the national team a favour too, but will it ever happen? Can the likes of K Hutton, J Mc Millan , T Bendiksen, J Ness, K Hemmings get the chance to make the grade? I certainly hope so.
Kingbear

Before any clever person comes on and says Bendiksen and Hemmings aren't Scottish! I know that but I'm talking Rangers here!

I don't think we have the facilities (murray park is obviously high quality) but to upkeep it without the money from winning the league, titles every year for 3-5 years just isn't possible for us. Honestly, i think it'll need to be a process of buying young guys and blooding them in one or two at a time. Muzz

The trouble with both the old firm
trophies are required instantly.
nurturing young players
are for other clubs

It wont happen with the young players we have now they arent good enough.

07 Dec 2011 18:50:52
Jelavic will stay until the summer. I think he will want another league medal. Good player, offers a lot to the team. Big loss if goes in Jan. But i reckon he will stay.

Rory

07 Dec 2011 18:26:39
if i am not mistaken im sure that nikica jelavic said that he would only move from rangers if a top club in england bid for him, so why all these rumours.
only
man utd
man city
arsenal
chelsea
liverpool

It's not his choice

NEVER EVER gonna happen from any those clubs.

He wont be going to any of those clubs, he really needs to get the finger out, and soon. Has been very poor this season, very few glimpses of what he can achieve.

07 Dec 2011 18:05:24
think that james morrison would be a better player to have or chris brunt, if i remember right a few months ago im sure there were speculation over morrison moving to rangers.
morrison, dorrans and 5m for jelavic

07 Dec 2011 21:18:01
James Morrison wants to play for Rangers but only if the SPL improves

www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/sport-comment/alan-pattullo/james_morrison_would_like_to_play_for_rangers_but_only_if_spl_improves_1_1957131

07 Dec 2011 18:08:18
think ex arsenal and current atletico madrid player jose antonio reyes would be a good player to buy.

Yeah but we cant

Ayo so would Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and about a million other players who would cost mega bucks. Sorry to burst your wee bubble but who's gonna stump up approx £15m to sign Reyes? Or are you a secret millionaire wanting to buy us a player lol.

07 Dec 2011 17:37:10
If jelavic goes to the e.p.l in the january transfer.

Reallistically who will be signed as his replacement?

A centre back

Nobody in the same class as him that's for sure

El hadj doiuf

07 Dec 2011 16:44:57
Boyd and oconnor up front would be The laziest and wost strike force ever.

07 Dec 2011 16:19:38
Sell jelavic £6/ 9 million Davis £3/5 million mcgregor £7 million edu £1 / £3 million laffertey £2/3 million possible £27 million release weir, Healy, mcculloch, buy Boyd £750 grand, Thompson £1.5 million , templeton £800 grand, conner £300 grand, skacel£500 grand, davidson £1 million . So that would be at least £18 million in and £5.5 million out what you,s fellow bears think.

Give edu a free transfer he's rubbish, mcculloch won't leave and why should he? He's been a servant to the club and getting paid to play for the team he loves, would u leave if u were him?

U want to take the heart out our team and replace them way lazy fat people

I wouldn't touch Boyd, Thomson or Davidson with a barge pole and as for Skacel, words fail me. And sell Jela, Davis, Shagger and Laffs ?Are u CW in disguise?

Ha ha I was feeling sorry for myself because of illness but your post above has cheered me right up, what a lot of guff. You should be Whyte's accountant with your "imaginative" figures Rangers would be £200m in profit by january ha ha, thanks again for making me smile Neil T

How are you Neil T? Any progress with your operations?

Billyboy1

Hi Billyboy1 seems me and Celtic ED are vying for NHS attention, I go in February he goes in March, see posts on celtic site.
I have vowed to have as good a festive time as I can.
BB1 I posted on our site about new Hibs boss Pat Fenlon? being the double of Martin O 'Neil what do you all think? If he has MON's nouce Hibs will be flying (hopefully starting saturday ha ha) LOL Neil T

Neil T, I've actually mentioned that to my mates haha hopefully he isnt as successful as Mrtin against the Gers lol

Billyboy1

07 Dec 2011 15:31:47
Just thinking would you all take Roman Pavylechenco if he was offered buy Totenham for Jelavić

Non starter he is on 65k a week there forget about it.

Germinator

07 Dec 2011 14:23:24
Rangers fans still moaning about samaras against ict. Unbelievible, aluko dived you all know it. Why arnt you bringing up big goian v aberdeen rory fallon I think it was straight red. Goian screamed like a big lassie clearly heard on the tv. Yet he wasn't touched. Think thar red card was rrecinded too.

DD

Have you ever watched football before?

This is getting boring. Most of the SPL teams have/had players who dive..think it was something that Aluko had just invented? Or is it just Rangers players that get hauled up in front of the beaks?

07 Dec 2011 13:18:44
Anyone know if Matt mckay paid 200k towards his transfer fee? P.s. this aint a wind up I've just heard about it myself, if so Mr tight has taken rangers to new embarrassment

07 Dec 2011 13:05:14
The tv evidence has been against rangers, mcshagger done stack not done, aluko done o'conner not done, naismith done hooper not done, how can 3 rangers players get done and other 3 don't get done for similar crimes?

07 Dec 2011 12:06:52
Ref:
You elbow someone off the ball, and the ref catches it - Red card. Three game ban.
You elbow someone off the ball, and the ref misses it - Retrospective red card, three game ban.

You kick out at someone, and the ref catches you - Red card. Two game ban.
You kick out at someone, and the ref misses it - Retrospective red card and a two game ban.

You dive, and get caught - Yellow card.
You dive and get away with it - Retrospective two game ban?

Where is the logic?


*You're all approaching this theory from the wrong angle. If a player cheats and gains a favourable goalscoring opportunity whilst conning a referee in the process, then retrospective action should be taken in the form of 2/3 match bans......it's called a deterrent! If a referee catches a player diving during a game, a yellow card should be issued, no more, no less.

Seems fairly logical to me!

Aluko dived, conned the ref, possibly cost the opposing team a valuable point away from home, whilst the opposing player received a yellow......retrospective 2 game ban, job done, well deserved!

M x

Utter nonsense! The punishment should be the same after the game as it is in the game! Thats what the rules are for and cant just be changed when the SFA feel like it! If that is the case then they should change the rule so that if you get caught diving in a match you get a straight red and a 2 game ban according to your logic!

G10

Samaras dives after a wee poke in the eye , boy gets sent off for it , overturned on appeal , what happens to swan lake samaras ??

Why do we need Refs when the TV CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS LOL

Sending players off for diving? That's ridiculous, why would you want to ruin games like that? The game's already on it's knees and you want ref's to start dishing out red's for diving?

Where, in world football, have you seen a straight red for a dive? I can guarantee you haven't! Have players been dealt with retrospectively for cheating, in world football? Yes, they have! It's the only way to go without compromising the game.

If a player has been caught cheating by a ref, they should be yellow carded and retrospectively banned for 2 games by a review panel, if it's in ref's report. Clubs should then be able to fine the player 2/3 weeks wages, job done! Club and player punished - deterrent!


You can't ruin the game because of the actions of the minority!

Miko x

Like Strachan said, if you got poked in the eye, it would be sore!

Sami isn't a renowned diver if you're being honest. Aluko's incident isn't comparable, if you think it is, you're not being honest with yourself!

Miko x

You have got it in one miko my point is you shouldnt send any one off for a dive in the game so you shouldnt be able to do it after the game with tv evidence see what im getting at.

G10

I got poked in the eye when celebrating wee naisys opener in this seasons OF game. i dropped to the ground like a sack a tatties and my mate had to get the medics. it was sooooo sore that i rubbed it for like 30 seconds, once i came round from the initial pain of it all right enough. still to this day i remember that pain. every time i see an eye poking my stomach turns. im surprised big sammy recovered........does this highlight how pathetic you comment was about what strachan said miko??? If you get poked in the eye it'll be sore!!! Aye if your 10, hardly justifies a physio does it??j1985

I disagree pal. How do we erradicate cheating from the game without compromise?

Miko

Agree with you j1985 but if you saw the picture in the paper of the incident smartass was never poked him in the eye as they jumped for the ball the inverness players arm was fully stretched out so there was no way smartass was poked in the eye that big pansy would go down anyway if he was tickled by a feather and as for Aluko diving this was up to the referee to decide if he dived or not the standard of refereeing really deplorable there is no consistancy whatsoever but it seems to me that if you play in the colours of Rangers the punishment seems to be more severe than playing in any other colour of strip in the SPL and as for the SFA they are a joke there is no consistancy or continuty within that lot at the SFA.

GERman

It will be difficult to get rid of it and i think it will take a long time as the diving players wont be able to stop overnite! So the athoroties have to be consistant with this one and not just make a one off example for me this is not the way. If they introduced a video ref like rugby maybe that would work!

G10

Miko i agree that the should be punished even on tv evidence & im am gers man but what i dont agree with is the 2 game ban why not a yellow card ? after all thats what the offence merits during a game

Wullie

07 Dec 2011 11:47:01
I didn't realise paranoia was contagious, lol.

x

07 Dec 2011 10:04:14
Just been looking at aston villas web site
96% want mcleish out good to see our old manager doing so well. i never was impressed with him and i am a rangers fan.

What more did u want from big Eck? He win titles when Celtic had a good team, we never should have win anything back then big eck done well imo.

He was a VERY lucky manager.

I like mcleish, he is a good manager, but im sick of him using scotland as a training ground for his players. im especially sick of him using his connections at rangers to lure decent rangers players away.

Big ecks team was good to watch the year we win the league under him we scored 101 goals, can u say that about a smith side second time around? And allys side are dross to watch aswell more interested in keeping a clean sheet than playing attacking football.

Agree with above post exept i did not like mccleish. thats when the dross started. the slow eradication of the good players to what we have now. donkey lafferty, slow useless edu, overrated davis etc etc.

Back to the big eck thing, big eck signed boumsong for free and sold him for 8 million, he also signed arteta signed fergie 2nd time around. Was the first manager to take a Scottish team to the last 16 of the new format champions league something Mr god o'neill or wee dick never done, think big eck done a great job at gers.

07 Dec 2011 08:41:45
Got a question I'm hoping someone can help me on... I'm thinking about going for my football coaching badges but have no profesional football experience, how far can I go? All knowlage would be appreciated cheers guys

You can go all the way basically.

The only issue you will face is the lack of contacts once completed so actually getting into a decent role will be difficult but there is absolutely nothing stopping you.

bluegenius

It can be quite costly to do all the badges.

07 Dec 2011 08:28:25
Watched the barcalona game last night, the quality of their younger players is frightning! If only we could have a youth system close to their standard... My question is would we conpramise imediate sucess to eventually being a fully home grown team from our own youth system that could maybe challange at a higher level than we currently are at?

J91