Rangers Banter Archive April 07 2016

 

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07 Apr 2016 21:35:33
Congratulations and welcome to the premier league. Does everyone think this journey was a better adventure than Livingston's? Let's hope the ending is not the same!



07 Apr 2016 23:08:39
Or Gretna.



08 Apr 2016 12:18:05
I think when we're toasting 55 next year it will officially be better than Livingston's.



08 Apr 2016 18:17:14
Op it won't take us long to get the upper hand against pacific shelf next season imo.



07 Apr 2016 21:21:37
For those in any doubt over All McCoists legacy at Rangers i suggest you go on youtube and watch the glorious goals he scored for us. a legend always, yes a poor manager. but his statement We don't do walking away, will resonate for years, as fans of our great club, he summed up our attitude, We are Rangers, and we don't do walking away, let's bring Ally back into the fold, welcome him at our Championship party, we asked others to move on, but won't forgive one of our own, it would shame me. Rangers are more than a club, they are our life.



07 Apr 2016 23:17:49
Yes sir.



08 Apr 2016 09:24:35
well put safetyman2.



07 Apr 2016 13:10:54
would love to see super ally take more of a role with the club again this man kept the club together. Not many men would have took the job and kept going through the worst time of our history. People who put him down for what he done are out of there mind guy will always be a legend.



07 Apr 2016 20:41:14
Definitely that 15grand a week must of made it difficult to take the job and to keep going through the bad times.



07 Apr 2016 21:59:41
What do you base your comment on that not many managers would have taken the job? Do you know that for a fact that other managers wouldn't have taken a £15k a week job?



07 Apr 2016 22:06:02
Hooly78 was it not 18 grand a week, oche let's not debate the odd 3 grand, lol.



07 Apr 2016 22:51:57
Davie king only said he would spend £20/ 30 million would that be on all ally's wages.



08 Apr 2016 08:40:18
McCoist should never have been given the job of manager by Smith and the tarnished knight. Walter did not make many mistakes during his time at the club but that was one monumental blunder.

Green and White, (you couldn't make it us if you tried) , saw that keeping McCoist at the Club would win over the fans and it worked. McCoists service contract, with the shares and annual salary made it an easy sell.

Sadly, without the money that Smith had, McCoist did not have a clue where to start and as a result we have suffered the biggest load of con men on a football park in the history of our club. McCoist clearly was uncomfortable developing quality young players at the club or scouring the lower leagues for players that would help bring us back where we belong and rather what we saw was a bunch of jokers like Kevin Kyle to name but one on inflated wages that they would never have earned elsewhere.

The so called young players that he kept, like Hutton, had already shown that they would never be Rangers class.

McCoist should never have been given the job by Smith and Murray and it does make me wonder whether they knew what was coming when he was appointed.



08 Apr 2016 09:55:44
Yes I agree, TOM42, that is a fair appraisal, as I see it.
I was always a critic of Ally's reign as our manager, from the shambles that was the, Maribo and Malmo, European games right until he left. On reflection, he was simply not capable of doing the job, but had legendary status with the fans and was used by the unscrupulous shysters that controlled the finances of our club. Therefore, he deserves our pity, albeit financially beneficial, for this period.
Re your final sentence TOM42, that has always niggled me.
However, now we have the nucleus of a top team and a good management team, we have potentially a very good future. So let us put the bad years behind us and hopefully the people who plundered our money are put behind bars for their actions.



08 Apr 2016 10:28:02
Apparently Walter is supposed to have advised Ally not to take the job, I assume because he knew a storm was a brewin'. I was most critical of the McCoist's tenure tbh as I was never convinced he had what it takes to be a manager. That said I could never hate the guy as he was a legend on the park and ended up a victim of circumstance. I know he reportedly picked up fabulous wages for it and yes I get how this would really annoy the ordinary supporter, but on the end I felt sorry for him and McDowell. I think that once Ally is free to express his feelings most of us will be horrified at what he had to endure.



08 Apr 2016 13:24:10
The seeker, i aagree mate, walter smith advised ally against taken the job, but ally being ally never listenned to ws, but i think he will now be wishing he did listen, although it was good for his benk book it tarnished his reputation no end.



06 Apr 2016 08:43:39
Rangers are 8/1 with bookies ladbrokes to win the scottish premiership next season, I thought the price would have been more on the odds against, still worth a punt though.



07 Apr 2016 20:36:08
Agree mate i thought they would of been higher aswell, they must be unsure about who mw might bring in because tbh all we need is a few solid good players to really make us tick but i put a tenner on it anyhoo, my heart told me to my brain told me to wait a couple of years but onward and upwards.



07 Apr 2016 21:46:19
So what price each way? Am Goni lump on 4 sure.



07 Apr 2016 22:09:16
Wabs15 et those odds its worth a wee 20 quid for me, odds like this can't be snubbed imho.



08 Apr 2016 10:29:06
£20 at 8/ 1? Defo worth a punt.



07 Apr 2016 22:15:51
They are 8/1 fir a reason, Rangers have never been 8/ 1 in their puff, bookies are terrified of professional gamblers diving into septic, and are trying yo get Rangers fans or bit part punters to invest in us, before anyone jumps on me I have already had a century on Rangers, because I can't back against them, ever, but I'm a seasoned gambler, and i know why we are such big odds, so unless we have major cash spent, then it may be a while yet, but you never know who nay be watching and waiting with cash to burn
Tommy.



08 Apr 2016 08:52:35
I was thinking that myself bigjoh85,well worth a punt at that price because they are not as much in front of us as they should have been.



07 Apr 2016 20:20:43
Here is part of the Amoruso interview on a certain BBC page:

The "choice" the former defender was referring to was a vote in July 2012, by 10 of the 12 Scottish Premier League teams, against an application from the new company running Rangers to play in the top tier.

That to me can't be interpreted as a new club application but infact, has to be interpreted as it was; an application from a new company running Rangers to keep the team in the top tier.

I know the sentiment may be lost on those who crawl about on here, however I thought it was nice to see certain sports broadcasters are now writing the truth in a simple format.



07 Apr 2016 13:08:47
I can't believe the stick that ally gets, that man held our club together when others were robbing us blind, as for his salary, he was offered that wage, he never asked for it, do u know he worked from morning to night worrying about the club, no manager in history has had to work under the conditions he did, yeah it never worked out for him but it wasn't for a lack of trying, I don't give a dam what anyone says he should always have a seat at ibrox, super ally 9.true blue.



07 Apr 2016 13:18:04
I agree Delboy.



07 Apr 2016 13:39:09
Not many managers made as much money as super ally! People are entitled to there opinion either positive are negative against mccoist. So del boy I'm sure a lot of gers fans don't give a damn what u say either.



07 Apr 2016 14:07:22
Hooly78

Your right and this is a forum where people have the right to express their opinions. Some fans can take the club or people at the club being criticised no matter if it's justified or not.



07 Apr 2016 14:36:39
Biffo/ hooly, your right everybody is entitled to their opinion, I'm not criticising anyone else all I'm saying is in my eyes the man is a legend and I don't care what anybody says about him because it will never change my mind, but it does surprise me the stick he gets guys, but that's other fans rights being a supporter of the club.



07 Apr 2016 14:51:00
Mccoist is and always will be a Rangers man and legend. He got his contract when we were an SPL team. Everybody we had in the 3rd division was grossly over paid, it wasn't his fault.
He's our best ever striker. Fair enough he was a bad manager in the footballing sense but I thought he conducted himself impeccably throughout the whole mess of his tenure. I also feel the players he did bring in let him down badly as well, they were being paid handsomely but never tried a leg for him.
I think he was suited to being a coach to be honest, he was too nice a guy to be an Old Firm manager.
In ten years time people will remember his goals, not one failed season in the Championship.



07 Apr 2016 15:21:38
Delboy, you are correct the salary was what he was offered, not his fault how much it was. Particularly when to quote him ''i signed contract and did not know how much it was for'', aye right.



07 Apr 2016 15:48:28
However hardly his fault, he gets stick for his salary more than anything else.



07 Apr 2016 18:15:55
Delboy9 i agree that ally didn't ask for his massive wage, and i also think he was a great goal scorer, and though he chance his arm in regard being out manager, my gripe with ally is that when our current board andd mr king took over they tried to get ally to except a lump payment to end his managment stunr, and granted it would have been less tham his full wages, so if he loved our club he should have excepted the new boards offer imho, its not like he needed the money as our club had already made him a millionaire.



07 Apr 2016 19:31:24
He brought in a bunch of jokers to play for the Club at inflated salaries and in the process let a number of quality young players leave. The problem McCoist had was that he was never a manager and should never have been given the job. He set the club back three years by his lack of tactical awareness and by bringing in useless players like Kevin Kyle.

That said, maybe we should blame the people that gave him the job in the first place. All that his time as manager has done is detract from the respect that everyone had for him as one of our best ever players.



07 Apr 2016 20:23:23
Mccoist, always will be a legend in Rangers history and in my eyes.

He made a few good and a lot of bad decisions as a manager but he always stood by the team.



07 Apr 2016 15:37:54
i am afraid as far as ally goes some people have short memories most people would forgive his management myself included but what cannot be forgiven was his greed.



07 Apr 2016 20:36:02
Rafbob

I think the bad managerial decisions far outweighed the good ones. What do you think the good ones were?



07 Apr 2016 17:35:46
As a player legend, as a manager out his depth.

On one hand you can argue that he was manager at the most difficult time in clubs history under circumstances that even an experienced manager would have found challenging. He was not given the support in terms of staff that maybe he needed. Perhaps someone with no ties to club would have walked away earlier.

However for me the negatives heavily outweigh this. he had a very healthy playing budget to compete against mostly amateur level teams. He blew a golden chance to build a young team and blood them in the lower divisions. Instead he built a team full of experience overpaid players which did us no good in the longer term- and this was exposed last season on the first occasion we had any real competition.

Part of me felt sorry for him as he was as much of a public face to appease the fans and distract us from the plundering of the club by a whole list of shady characters. However he knew this was happening and choose to keep quiet, be naive to think his over inflated salary was anything but shutting up money. Had he the courage to speak out at an early stage then perhaps so much of the clubs money would not be sitting in the bank accounts of the leaches.

Many fans and myself included feel strongly that his decision to keep taking money from the club during his garden leave was wrong. Of course he was legally entitled to do so as it was in his contract, but morally it was wrong to take so much money at a time when the club was close to a second administration. Hardly Tue actions of a man who loves the club or had its best interests at heart. It should be noted that he was given a ridiculously generous contract by green at a time when so much of the clubs money was siphoned off. Shutting up money.

I wish he would have the decency to hold his hands up to what went wrong and apologize for it. However you see his regime there can be no argument that he done very very well financially.

I'd love to see him back at ibrox (in crowd not anything else) as the guy was one of my hero's growing up- but he's not welcome until he speaks about his failings.



07 Apr 2016 18:21:54
oops he never read what he was getting in wages, like his remark in the pub in houston renfrewshire half the rangers fans can't read anyway, A FACT.



07 Apr 2016 20:42:42
Largebill, If it wasn't going to Mccoist who was it going to?

It certainly wasn't going to be put back into the club and I know that doesn't excuse the fact he continued to collect a wage but it's a point worth considering.



07 Apr 2016 20:45:38
How about his tea and buns at halftime for the players. Are is cutting edge training methods of dropping his shorts and getting the players to kick the ball at him. Eat your heart out Mourinho and Sir Alex.



07 Apr 2016 20:47:03
Largebill so you go into work tomorrow and your gaffer says "big man your works second to none I'm giving you 500 a week extra. " Do you turn it down saying I'm not greedy? Didn't think so!

Whatever anyone thinks of McCoist he was manager at one of the worst times in our clubs history. No other manager has had to put up with so many obstacles put in their way.

Get him back for the last game and back into the Rangers family. Saying that I would get macdowell back and onto the pitch he was a broken man when he left.



07 Apr 2016 20:47:47
Yes, McCoist wasn't the best as a manager but definetly a Rangers goal scoring legend. He brought in duds and let youngsters go but again, wasn't the best manager. When we went to Division 3, how many other managers wanted the job that he was in. No one knows what he had to put up with and deal with, but that whole affair WILL come out in the end. Then we can all give an honest opinion on if he done best for him or the club. I'd put my hand on heart and say he's a Rangers man and wanted best for club. Another opinion, but mine, he served our club the best he could as a player and manager and will always be a Ranger and should be treated as such.



07 Apr 2016 20:59:42
Great post luigi.



07 Apr 2016 20:54:33
Biffo316,

Erm. Lee Wallace, Goian and Bocanegra were good choices I think. Lol.

To be fair he did make many more bad than good decisions as a manager but he still holds status as a player.



07 Apr 2016 21:27:50
Luigi: He was hardly going to speak about it when he was in the post.



07 Apr 2016 22:03:40
Goian wasn't a success and Bocanegra was done by the time he joined us. Think the fact that's all you came up with speaks volumes for just how bad a manager he was.



07 Apr 2016 22:17:36
Well considered post luigi but I cannot agree with the overall sentiment. The guy has given the best years of his life to the club and given many fans many memories that will live with them forever. Ok, the recent ones may not be so good.

I don't think anyone can objectively judge his managerial performance until more is known about the circumstances he was asked to operate under. His book will be an absolute belter.

For all the years he gave as a player and for all the goals he scored, I'm prepared to give him one bad (high profile) season as a manager. Ironically, had last season been better, we'd not be in the position we are now.

As for the other comments about his training techniques (not from you) Richard Gough once said that a team that drinks together wins together. That wasn't a cutting-edge team-build principle even then, but it appeared to work for 9 years.

As I said in a post some time ago, John Greig "failed" as a manager - and Sportscene presenter- but remains a legend. Personally I'd hope McCoist is afforded the same status.



08 Apr 2016 12:25:54
boys it was not his wages i was refering to as i said many times in the past whoever agreed his wages should have been sacked he was entitled to them after the agreement was made it was the fact he sided with every regime from white onwards and taking the free shares for selling the season books by endorsing green in otherwords he was in more camps than geronimo.



07 Apr 2016 22:28:36
Think luigis post was again, excellent, although I do think coisty will have a story to tell, but I've always suspected the rats didn't want Rangers to succeed, but that would make his actions even more questionable.



07 Apr 2016 11:48:22
Arsenal fan in peace guys. Just a question about Zelalem, I noticed he hasn't played for a while and want to know if he has been injured or if he just isn't cutting it up there . How would you rate his season? Congratulations on winning promotion. Good to see your club making progress on and off the field this year and playing some decent football.



07 Apr 2016 12:16:21
Number 14, Zelalem was showing plenty promise the first few months he was up here and in the team, but recent last few months, flattered to deceive,

he is a good player and possibly the premiership is better suited to him rather than the frantic Scottish game that can catch out players with lack of experience.

Think he got a bit to go before he ready for the big time with you guys.

All the best but mon the Leicester, what a success story that is lol!



07 Apr 2016 12:18:05
Nothing special at all. He'll grow up to be an average player. lightweight, scared to have a shot, and don't ever ask him to tackle someone. if he beefs up he might stand a chance. It wouldn't surprise me if Arsene gives up on him.



07 Apr 2016 12:11:07
Good for his age number 14, exellent ball retention but needs to work on getting in the box and trying to chip in with a few goals. I think that will come with age. Think he'll turn into a good player.



07 Apr 2016 14:09:21
Number 14

Would be astonished if he made it at Arsenal. When he first came to club I was looking forward to seeing him standout in the league however it just hasn't happened. Far too lightweight and no end product. Lacks a killer pass and poses no real goal threat.



07 Apr 2016 18:20:56
He has been injured the past few weeks, he needs to play at a higher level imo.



07 Apr 2016 10:46:45
so the bookies rate us at 5/ 2
to finish second and 8/ 1 to win the league next season am sure plenty bears will be tempted with the 8/ 1 on offer with the hope we will strengthen in the summer.



07 Apr 2016 12:16:38
worth a ton ad say!



07 Apr 2016 20:27:00
We will compete at the top and do well next season.

As for winning the League, I reserve my opinion for what happens during the next transfer window.



07 Apr 2016 17:45:44
Defo worth a few quid.

As is mickelson at 20-1 to win masters. Crazy price considering his past victories there and his form I'd good this season. Stenson a good each way outsider as is ousthoisen.



07 Apr 2016 21:45:58
Got to be Jordan Spieth.



07 Apr 2016 10:02:29
So the McCoist debate rumbles on.
Answer this then fellow bears, we need a number 9, what we wouldn't give for a 92/ 93 McCoist? Be a hero then alright.
Bet you if you asked Waggy he would tell you he wished he had half his natural ability or even just his left peg!



07 Apr 2016 10:42:15
Named after him, can't help but love the guy. Given the past isn't ideal.

Remember the player, not the manager.



07 Apr 2016 10:42:38
mcoist only made it as he had genuine international class
players all around let's be honest there are no laudraups
prso hateley wilkins gazza in the current team and probably never to be again or at least not for long as they would be sold.



07 Apr 2016 10:45:10
Personally I would rather sign a Lineker, Shearer or Suarez type of striker than a McCoist. These guys scored at the very highest level.



07 Apr 2016 10:58:47
no one is doubting McCoist talent. he was a legend of a PLAYER. but life is quite simple, you are remembered for your failure not your success.



07 Apr 2016 11:14:27
Sorry but McCoist was a disaster for Rangers and should have never been in the job in the first place bar Walter's misguided support for him.

And how do we know other, better managers wouldn't have taken on the job. They would have if McSalary had resigned but didn't want to tout themselves while he was in a job.

Tactically a joke. Signings shockingly poor. Prepared to back Charles Green so he could get penny shares while urging fans to pay 70p for theirs.

Walked away, probably because he knew a match against Celtic was on the horizon and continued backing David Murray, the who put us in all this trouble in the first place.

I could go on but will just add finally he kept taking his wage on gardening leave even when the new board took over, only eventully giving up on his beloved money once he was offered a job as a pundit.



07 Apr 2016 12:49:15
One last comment then I'll shut up on the subject. This from today's DR.

WE don’t do walking away. A phrase that set the tone for the most turbulent period in Rangers history.

Now it’s time for the Ibrox club to complete the circle and bring back the man who uttered those five little words in the first place to come and enjoy the party – Ally McCoist.

Gers have just one home game left this Championship -winning season and it would be a disgrace if he is not invited to be part it.



07 Apr 2016 14:13:37
why should he be part of it? Do none of you remember how he leached onto his 800k gardening leave salary and was very content not giving it up? the point where he eventually gave it up was because a job opportunity popped up.



07 Apr 2016 18:44:17
Can I ask the people who disagreed with my post about rather signing a Lineker, Shearer or Suarez than a McCoist please tell me why? Surely no one can argue those strikers mentioned where far superior to Ally and played at a much higher level.



07 Apr 2016 19:32:15
I never disagreed but I don't think you're post is relevant, Scottish football will never be at the highest level so why are you brining Suarez ect into it. Mcoist was more than good enough to get into the current rangers team.



07 Apr 2016 11:41:52
take away ally's goals up to the sourness revolution and Rangers would have been relegated. averaged 30 goals a season.



07 Apr 2016 12:58:21
Legend as a player. Out his depth as a manager.

But in his defence he was manager at the most difficult time in our history. Would have been challenging for an experienced manager. He did end up as a front man to appease the fans while a lot of shady characters plundered the club.

On the other side he blew a golden opportunity to build a young team and blood them in the lower divisions. He obviously felt inadequate hence his decision to pack the team with overpaid experienced players- a decision that came home to roost last season when it all fell apart. Serious questions need answered by him about his over inflated salary, not speaking out or resigning when he could see first hand what was happening behind the scenes and why his team's looked poorly trained and no fitter than part time opposition. His decision to accept nearly a years salary on gardening leave will never be right in my eyes- legally he was entitled to it but morally it was wrong. It should be remembered that this clause was agreed with green at the same time as our merchandise rights were signed away and our club was plundered. Smells like shutting up money.

I would love him to be able to come back to the club and be rembered as the legand he once was. For that to happen he needs to speak publicly and hold his hands up to his failings as a manager - something he has never done. In the end he done very very well out of being our manager, Tue club not so.



 
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