Rangers Banter Archive April 07 2013

 

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07 Apr 2013 19:47:42
I asked u rangers fans a few days ago if ally walks because of finance because he wants to spend and Charles wants to save and make cuts who would u side with and I got was 55 and counting, obsessed, back to your own page etc. well after ally's interview after the match and paper interview it maybe closer than we think. so il ask again. would u support your team as it is if no money was spent on big wages etc but season tickets went up and ally walks?is Charles a good CEO to trust?

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Well I do think they could be on a collision course. Ally making noises as though he is expecting a third summer of discontent between him and his boss. Can't be sure of green. This is a turbulent period for the club still. Very hard to work out how genuine he is. One things for sure the club needs running a lot tighter than it has been in previous years. Which will upset many but then again no pleasing some. Don't want to go bust again but expect to win by a 4 goal margin every week.

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07 Apr 2013 20:37:17
Time green allowed Jim Traynor to do press releases. This story about Craig whyte was known last December why did green not allow Jim Traynor to construct a statement then bringing all green tricks out into the open. I can see Walter smith Traynor and others chucking it. I am getting sick of the drip feeding of information and I am now suspicious of Charles Green and his confederates

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Might it be time to be suspicious of Walter, Traynor Malcolm Murray and Even Ally? Are they all turning a blind eye to keep a well paid job? Show the deeds Charles, if there is nothing to hide why not?

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Traynor surprised me by taking this post. Money must certainly talk. Where would he get a job in Scotland after this though so I can't see him leaving in a hurry. Walter is there because he loves the club but I think if things are found to stink (looking that way but who knows)he'll not hang about. He has a reputation to preserve and wouldn't risk it. I believe in Walter.

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08 Apr 2013 13:47:10
Walters silence says enough about who or what comes first-the fans and their worries or mrs smiths new holiday villa, decisions decisions eh.

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When you mention walter please call him sir walter

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08 Apr 2013 20:26:16
Murray beat him to the knighthood for taking more money out of rangers than put in.

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07 Apr 2013 18:32:07
thought it was refreshing to see us play the ball on the field today instead of lumping it in air temps is better threw the middle without doubt he can shoot and set up people makes no sence to stick him on wing can he do it on smaller pitches though and consitently that the only question mark on him

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He played ok, but the defence is a serious problem, they don't know anything about football never mind defending, and am I alone here in thinking that wallace is good going forward, but he, s a bombscare in the box when defending,, big lee got in temps way a lot today,, but a fair perfprmance considering the job is done, and QP not a bad team Tommyblue

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Still thought QP played the better football for long periods

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07 Apr 2013 19:00:47
top match well worth the money only thing spoiling it was size of crowd for our first match when we've just won title 55. less than 10000 bears in a match in glasgow was v. poor. time for fans to get 2gether and show thanks to Ally & CG instead of listening to rumours spread by our enemies. we would have no football without those 2 & anyway - have we not been sayin all year we're the best fans in the world? well let's show it again next week.

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@3. Are you for real? No rumours green caught on tape and he has admitted he lied to gain shares. Do you have any idea how serious this could get?

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@3 listening to rumours spread by our enemies

Chuckie has admitted it how is that rumours.

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@3) While there wasn't much accuracy in your post I have to give it 10/10 for top delusion nonsense of the day. Just you stay in that wee fuzzy warm world, I fear any exposure to reality would leave you catatonic.

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Celtic fans worrying about us or is it its because of 55 and counting that's getting to them

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N3 when we consider the league has been won I think crowd size was fair tell me what other team in scotland takes 11 thousand to away grounds

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07 Apr 2013 17:33:45
Heard on radio that Ally was quite vociferous in his talk after the game (good win)He was getting at what Green said about 'worst Rangers team' etc and how he had been involved in winning 14 leagues now---asking how many had Green been involved in?Sounded rough stuff and am wondering at the timing. Is he standing up to Green now or is he saying this before he goes?Reporter (think was Chick why )saying how Ally had considered it and was mad at what's going on. Anyone else hear this?

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Reading between the lines, if that is possible in this shambles, Ally does seem to be ready to go toe to toe with Green. Does he now know something that is not right? Issuing an ultimatum regarding players is a dangerous game. Is he saying Green planted players on him last season?

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07 Apr 2013 20:37:43
God I hope your right, bout the planting players on ally, I would hate to think he identified some of them himself TB

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Wow powderkeg stuff if signings last year were greens choices not ally.

all fine says ally pish manager, this just like sheffield utd again. transfers all greens work as he linked to agents. but manager took blame.

ally come clean. don't try to beat green. honest people can't beat conmen.

ally backed whyte, now backs green?

if green theatening to kill gers better sooner rather than later. if green dumps gers when back in spl its vack to div3 again.

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It is well known within a number of circles Faure and the Greek were foisted upon McCoist as part of some deal made by Green to an Agent who had allegedly assisted Green and Zeus during the asset purchase last year. So McCoist has to be given some slack for "signing" those two donkeys however Ally is still accountable for approving some equally questionable buys he did sanction during his two seasons in charge!

SPM

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07 Apr 2013 15:43:24
So Mr. Traynor, who, if you remember knew everything about the wealth of Craig Whyte (off the radar) and could not sing his praises enough, and yet now works for his rival Charles Green? And there are no connections? They are not all in on a scam?

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It looks like this runs deep into the heart of the club. You get the feeling a house of cards is about to tumble. god knows who will be exposed in this

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Have just read the sun with the pics of Ahmeds texts regarding receiving money gratefully from Craig Whyte. There is no doubt in my mind that Green, Whyte and Ahmed are cut from the same cloth. Not the Rangers I grew up with at all right now. My prediction is that Walter and Ally will walk, the robbers will cash in the shares and run and we will be left in a worse state than last year, possibly without a club to support at all.

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N2 I think we will always have a club I would also like cg to cash in just now so as we could get trusted rangers men in to run our club

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07 Apr 2013 15:16:15
anyone know why Hemmings was subbed on 89 mins?

He only came on after 59 mins

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Injured

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Obvious. Hemmings is on a "new play by the minute contract", and Charles ordered him to be taken off on 89 minutes to save a minutes pay. Yorkshire folk, they know a bit about brass ye ken. Aye, millions in bank, Charles Greens bank that is.

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Erm maybe there was an agreement with the england manager that kane would be spared,, what a silly post? tb

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07 Apr 2013 14:33:08
Take a bow mr green. 1st the big speech no cva no history etc. in background trying all along hoping for liquadation. Pay 5.5mil for stadium, Murray park, car park, staff, players etc couple of days he values it at 50mil. share issue worth 20 mil with big bonuses for himself and close friends for winning league. denying he knew Craig whyte but the truth is coming out. hasn't spent a penny of his own money but making plenty of it. my opinion he was a face for whyte but soon noticed a good businessman could make a lot of money with rangers and to many people involved would mean less share of the pie. as much as you all hate whyte maybe just maybe he is telling the truth. why go through all this trouble???

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. Magic mushrooms are oot early this year Pedro the tim. lol.

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Pedro green did not pay £5 million. even his pockets not that big.

RFC assets bought for < £3million as milliions still in kitty as RFC went into admin.

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Thank god we have real financial experts like you available, eh? tb

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@1 Hope you are right but going from past events, don't be so sure of anything. This time last year we didn't imagine what was going on either. I think it's the biggest scam ever and it may just be unravelling. It was too much of a bargin at 5million and we all knew this.

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I'm not making any of my points up there all out there in the public, I'm just asking if there's any truth in what whyte is saying?

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07 Apr 2013 14:26:28
Think Donald Rumsfeld sums up the state of our club. "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know" Pretty clear to me.

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07 Apr 2013 15:01:26
If green has admitted his guilt on the Rangers website, that he accepted the cheque, and was intent on conning the money from Whyte, surely then that proves that Green is not a fit & proper person to be in charge of a football club.

The only thing left is now for an inquiry by the SFA, and the suspension of Rangers associate membership as clearly false statements were made at the time of the application.

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07 Apr 2013 17:24:56
Yet another expert who gives us the whole story and outcome,, in about 15 words, why oh why do we need the legal profession with such gems available on here? tommyblue,,
just a thought, can you nip down to london and sort that cameron out, ure way more clever than him, haha

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07 Apr 2013 14:14:05
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4876675/Show-me-the-mummy.html

Bears, story above and make up your own mind. None of them can be trusted. Transferring money into someone's mums Bank? To help buy Rangers? WTF.?

can any of this lot be trusted with our Club or our Money?

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07 Apr 2013 14:07:04
We don't want your money. But stick it in my mothers account will you. This is getting ridiculous.

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And why did the administrators seem to only want Green's plan. Was it because Green was really Whyte's man and the administrators were really in Whyte's pay.

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That's the sound of the penny finally dropping.
The whole thing was a stitch up to stiff the honest creditors & taxpayers, ditch the debt & tax liabilities, and emerge with a profitable club as seamlessly as possible, whilst trying to keep the whole thing ticking along in the SPL, thereby shafting every honest club and fan in the whole of Scotland.
And they so nearly got away with it too!
Morally and ethically bankrupt.

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07 Apr 2013 15:39:07
Green trying one of his favorite tactics with the Sun interview, say something really controversial to deflect attention away fromthe fact that more and more people know he's been lieing about his involvement with Craig Whyte.

He's not just saying he calls Imran Ahmad his "---- friend" for no reason. He knows the PC Brigade will go on a witchhunt about this and that's what will make headlines.

Wake up bears before he ruins our once great club!

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07 Apr 2013 17:27:53
@2 I really hope you were referring to the men who sold the jerseys when you say Morally bankrupt, we, the fans, who are the club never did a thing wrong TB

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The fans were shafted by the spivs who viewed Rangers as their plaything.
Rangers should now be a case study into how company law, regulation and insolvency law needs to be reformed.
If people like Craig Whyte can operate as they have obviously operated without impunity, then the system needs reforming.

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@ 1 the administraters are not on anyones pay for crying out loud everything they do has to be legal and above board.

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(4). Agree the fans weren't morally and ethically bankrupt. although some bears were way too willing to look past the obvious failings and shortcomings of your own clubs actions, were way too vigorous in the aggressive defence of those who were really doing you the harm to your club, and going on the attack elsewhere (the tv and DUFC boycott's for example. neither of which looks particilarly sensible in hindsight!) when the real targets should have been closer to home! What was sometimes demonstrated was an ill advised tendency to lash out at others, built upon the basis of an assumed moral authority that you did not - in fact - possess, when you (the fans) could have more usefully employed your efforts trying to win friends and influence people.
I'm afraid some of you do need to stick your hand up to that charge, but we can (& should) all shake hands and move on now.
Morally and ethically bankrupt, your fans certainly were not. You were not entirely blameless either, but you suffered disproportionately to your wrong doing. Those who were running your club were -basically - cheating. But the fans were not complicit in this. Some may have chosen to look the other way.

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07 Apr 2013 14:00:33
good win today, not happy about the way we won it tho, I thought queens had most of the ball, our team was just ball chasing most of the game but oh well we've won the div, other good news that is there's investors lined up to talk to charles confirmed by ally, watp

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4-1 and some of us are still not happy

beggars belief

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What kind of investors would be interested with this whyte stuff surfacing? Give yourself a shake mate, more deflection from green. Expect the english league nonsense to come up soon. Confirmed by Ally? Who confirmed whyte was a good guy!

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The downside of the win today was the size of the crowd. Quoted as just over 11,000 whereas last time met was over 30,000. Can't blame it on Easter hols --maybe all this bad press and uncertainty kicking in already?Needs sorted quickly {The Ed039's Note - 11,000 fans at an away tie, and you are slagging it?? Get a grip)

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@1 Happy at the score but not a bit happy with all this intrigue going on. This is more important than a game that doesn't even count for anything. It could be survival we are talking about again.

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@4 I get where you're coming from but why are so many people taking the tabloids and more importantly Craig Whyte at face value

before the kick off today ESPN spoke to Rangers fans asking what their opinions of the whole thing were, must have been about 5 or 6 of them, everyone of them said they stand behind Green while 1 mentioned that he stands behind Green but is a bit wary of all the stories

The presenters reaction to that was there is a lot of dissent among the fans lol, it's laughable how they can spin a story out of nothing

If Whyte goes to court then all the details will come out, nothing we can do about that, if he doesn't then it's all just scraps for the redtops to manipulate

Every game counts for something and I thought we did well today under the circumstances, defence are slowly getting there with the exception of cross balls which needs a LOT more work, good show from Aird and Hemmings, Templeton hopefully cemented his place in the middle

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07 Apr 2013 18:58:12
ed 039. so there were no Queens Park fans at the game. just 11000 rangers fans?? {The Ed039's Note - lucky if they had couple hundred)

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Ed, Yes technically an away game but how nearer to Ibrox can you get than Hampden? Numbers down drastically today (according to radio) and no, it isn't because of holidays, What then? {The Ed039's Note - what are you expecting? Ibrox season books not valid, show me another team that can take a 10,000 crowd to away games)

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Come on Ed 11,000 at the oldest derby match in the world. That's a bit disappointing.

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N5 the only time any of us wikk see craig shyte in a court he will be in handcuffs

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@8 its not the oldest derby in the world as govan was not part of glasgow until 1912!

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07 Apr 2013 13:02:43
Is Ally losing any credibility throughout this whole sorry mess? When John Brown had his moment on the steps of Ibrox many people cheered and agreed with him. He made some strong claims of things not being what they seem at the club. He then, for whatever reason, went suddenly quiet. At the time I thought as a true Rangers man he would come clean and tell what he knew. As time passed it looked as if he might have got it wrong, despite Mr Green not actually producing the title deeds, but one thing stayed in my mind. Ally and Brown were team mates, through a successful period in the clubs history, and were Rangers fans since childhood. Did Ally, as you might expect being the Rangers manager at the time, ask Brown what he knew? If he did I would be pretty sure John Brown would have told him what he knew. Time for a clean up, people need to be truthful with the fans, who knew what and for how long.

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Does anyone know why john Brown never told anybody?

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@1 - how would brown prove it without tapes. ! and could be sued if he guesses wrong.

You only beat whyte, green, SDM with facts.

SDM - never took penny from rangers. ? millions maybe but not a single penny. etc

they can sue if you wrong, they can't sue if you right. but be right on everything, one error you dead!

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1) he said in an interview he recieved threats and was told to drop it.

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@2; brown could simply have spilled the truth and asked green to disprove him.

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I am friendly with bombers family, I have spent time with him in a social setting,
John was told by green that he would, " shut this club down" whenever he wanted, he was also told he had no evidence of any conversation and that Greens people would sue his ass off,
Bomber has NOT spoken to ally since that day, Now let's be clear, both men are real gers men, but one of them had a career to think about, and was perhaps praying what he was being told was true, (by Green), There has been a split between the band of brothers, which may never heal, let's just pray that it was bomber who was wrong. Tommyblue

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@5. If that's all it was why did John Brown mention who owned what?

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@5 wow explosive stuff divide and conquer. so ally says what's the story green, and green says I will closedown rfc anytime I wish!


what can ally do but shut up and sit and hope green moves on!!!!

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07 Apr 2013 12:17:41
As the old saying goes, Fool me once. shame on you. Fool me twice. shame on me. Time to demand answers, the only way to get these charlatans attention is to hit them in the pocket.

Jd

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07 Apr 2013 12:14:05
It's said that a week is a long time in politics, it seems a whole lot longer in the Ibrox soap opera. Last weekend the league was won to very muted celebrations due to another insipid performance on the park. This coming hot on the heels of Charles Green having his "Gerald Ratner" moment, which while true, was not the words you'd expect of a CEO. The sacking of certain individuals was seen in some people's eyes as further marginilisation of Ally.

Then whoosh, by this weekend Green has to justify HIMSELF to the same manager who was perhaps on a shoogly peg just eight days ago.

Much like the time of the failed CVA and attempted coup, McCoist finds himself in the role of king-maker again. Green is literally back to where he was almost a year ago, an outsider needing endorsement from the one person in Ibrox who is 100% trusted by the fans.

Rightly or wrongly, if nothing else, this all but guarantees Ally another year in the job and has strengthened his hand immeasurably. A bit of a scallywag on one side and a trusted figurehead/poor manager on the other. This has got shambles written all over it.

If there is one thing that most football administrations in Britain has proved, it is that such environments allow vultures to circle overhead and sometimes get their hands on a club.

I've said long and weary on here that the current spending at Ibrox is unsustainable. At some point during his reign Craig Whyte said the club was losing £1,000,000 a month, that figure ring a bell? On a much reduced model of the former club (ie income and expenditure both dramatically lower) Charles Green's Rangers finds itself in exactly the same position despite losing nearly a squad worth of very well paid players off the budget! How is that even possible? You could make the claim it is a worse ran club now than then if it can be reduced on scale by about 50% or more but still incurs the same losses monthly.

It is not looking good guys.

Gaz

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Simple question. Why do you trust Ally?. TTTS

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@1) I didn't say I did or didn't. It was my perception that most Rangers fans would at least accept (short of his managerial failings) that McCoist does have Rangers best interests at heart. If that isn't the case then this is even messier than I presumed.

Gaz

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Ally knows more than he's letting on and is binding his moment. Or he's in on what appears to be a scam. There is noway on earth whyte was going to just dissapear. Remember he did say that he would make rangers stronger.

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I think it is unimaginable that McCoist doesn't know exactly what John Brown knows, if not more. Does that give him leverage? I would think so. Does that mean that he is hanging around regardless of managerial ability? Who knows. Or is he merely self-serving? Who knows.

There's a quote below, that if true is explosive. Someone is saying that the Prospectus had the phrase "Rangers having the use of Ibrox stadium. " Therein lies the key to a lot of this and it beggars belief that it has took so long for this to become a major part of the story, sure there have been some mutterings but from day one of the prospectus release this should have had you up in arms in your thousands.

Gaz

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At sheffield green got his own men in for physio, scounting and started picking the team, and sacked the manager when results poor.

Some now happening, last years signings used friend of greens who was banned for the Rooney scandal, and now physio goes and ally all on own, and greens men arrive and take the real decisions.

Ally has power and a major stake in rangers, he can use that, stand down as manager (cos of the scandals) and start raising money (fans will put st money) into fund for ally.

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N3.

Let's look at Ally's shareholding shall we? He has over 1 million and owns 3% of the floated RIFC company. If he got these on the same basis as Green, they were basically a gift. Green has made sure that If Green makes a killing, on this wheeze, McCoist gets a pretty fat slice of it too! That could give Green some degree of editorial clout when it comes to McCoist's public pronouncements, don't you think?

So I would disregard anything Ally McCoist says.

Instead the one to watch and listen to is Malcolm Murray.
He has clout in the city. He has a track record of financial probity and a reputation to protect. He has had run ins with Green. And most people agree he has Rangers interests at heart. So far he has said nothing.

This could be because he doesn't know what is going on, but suspects shenanigans. Or it could be that he does know what is going on, doesn't like it and doesn't know the best way to jump, to minimise the further damage.
He could just be keeping his powder dry.

But whatever, he is the one that I think Rangers fans should be listening to. if and when he breaks his silence.

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Agree M Murray is a good man, and the other good man was alastair johnston, Walter silence is deafening and bombers warning may well come true, we need the other prospective buyers to still be interested or it could be curtains,, pleasse don't tell me to pull myself together, Tommyblue

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N7 I agree with most things you say but surely if current people are not so interested their are other rangers people interested ime really dying to see the end of the spivs and dying to see known people with clubs interest at heart get involved st

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07 Apr 2013 12:07:45
Cribari Faure & Argyriou at the back today thank feck the leagues wrapped up!

Larky Bear

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Lol Larky.

Gaz

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07 Apr 2013 11:17:47
St Mirren and ross county reject leauge reconstuction.

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There are a lot more than them that will reject it I think a few people are begining to see it only gives one club a big big advantage they've all smelt the coffee

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@1) Can you clarify what you mean please?

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Looks pretty plain what number 1 is getting at, do you really need clarification?

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The spl are morally corrupt

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@3) Actually I do. So will either of you elaborate, explaining who and how.

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In2 this is n1 again I can't believe for one minute that you don't understand my post

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Why do none of the poster's or OP give a name?
Tam

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OP is Bletchley Park still open? Maybe I'll see if they can get an old Enigma machine decoder to do it then? can't you just say who? And more importantly why? I think I know the who, but I'm intrigued as hell about the why.

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@1 Be a man and name name's
Tam

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07 Apr 2013 10:45:17
I advise anyone who still thinks CG is our saviour to read Dave Bassets interview on his time at Sheffield Utd this is going to get worse bears seriously how do we push this guy out honestly if I won the Euro Millions I'd spent every single penny just to get Rangers in better hands this is killing me!

Larky Bear

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Dave Bassett, true and proper gentleman, and well respected throughout the game. He still attends Kingsmeadow Stadium and gives support to another one of his ex -teams that he managed, AFC Wimbledon.

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07 Apr 2013 09:49:02
Imagine buying shares in a company without knowing what its assets were? A bit bizzare, I recall that the only mention of Ibrox in the IPO Prospectus was "Rangers having the USE of Ibrox Stadium", no mention of ownership. Welcome to The Whyte and Green Smoke and Mirrors Show. Mind you all have a good time now, Free snake-oil with every share purchase.

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All this just highlights what you can get away in this country.
Craig Whyte can hide behind lines of company facades moving money between them running up debts that he doesn't ever pay yet creaming off any turnover generated. He wants to claim ownership of assets without any corresponding liabilities.
It is amazing that you can buy substantial assets without parting with any cash and then dodge any liabilities whilst refusing to pay any fines, taxes etc.
Is this man above the law?

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Look on brightside, whyte plan to pheonix rfc and stay in SPL with all players, and no debt.

This would have brought wrath of UEFA - and banishment of all SPL clubs - but spl smart and banished newco to div3. phew!

lucky escape!

whyte tried to stuff creditors and rest of spl - spl stuffed him.

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@2 They were not BANISHED, they were allowed into SFL3
Tam

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07 Apr 2013 09:36:43
So, sounds like Ally is placing the foundations for him walking away. "Back me Charles or I am gone". Well Ally, you just sacked yourself. Stick to Question of Sport, not difficult questions about share issues, assets and so on. Seems an odd time to up the anti - or has the penny dropped and he realises he owns 5% of nothing.

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Op mccoist would have had lawyers go over everything with a fine toothbrush he knows what he owns

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Jeez give me strength, he was speaking of the FANS, ARE YOU SILLY, or just desperate to see ally go so your wee party piece can burst from yor head?, Tommyblue

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07 Apr 2013 09:12:39
How could Bomber know all this Green and Whyte stuff yet Ally didn't. Has Ally caught the liar bug or is he just gullible beyond belief?

Foxy

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Well ally's employer is the rangers, brown was a outsider looking in. If he questions green at that moment in time he wouldn't be a manager, ally is making great money considering its a division 3 team. properly on more money than some spl managers.

He leaves rangers ill be very surprised if anyone would touch him his record is shocking at tactics well leave that one for you to decide

Lenny

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Whyte probably told brown (fans champ) first - but when that route failed. whyte had to wait for IPO then pounce just befroe it with the £50m claim which does not appear in IPO. ?

So green looking to profit in 6 months when his share lockin ends, and whyte wants piece of action from IPO (or will stop the IPO dead).

IPO values RFC at £45million and whyte wants his 25%-75% of that - why not - he paid 5x more than green

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07 Apr 2013 03:11:41
charlies a fly man. power to him. but watch your back charlie. us scots and. rangers scots are people with pride. we don't like getting the wool pulled over our eyes. deecee

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Lol at this post, we sat back and let craig shyte rag doll us

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Deecee read too many post from you in last year and you never saw anything wrong with green. ?

man. he sold you down the clyde.

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07 Apr 2013 00:12:45
I was brought up a Rangers fan, I went to my first game 45 years ago. I have followed them abroad, I have followed them to away games. I have had a season ticket for over 40 years.

I always believed that my club were different to the rest, that they did things slightly better than the rest. They did things the proper way, they treated people the way we would all like to be treated. The Struth thing, the way they dealt with the Ibrox disaster, the marble staircase, we did thing the proper way.

I have celebrated with them, I have cried with them, but my love for them is the same as it was the first day I watched them. They, next to my family and friends and my business, are the most important thing in my life.

They have not always been the best on the pitch, but in my mind they were the best off the pitch. So much for my deluded thoughts, the facts are that they have been run over the last few years by tax dodging, spivs, con men, liars, charlatans, wide boys with suits.

I am sick fed up of it, I don't want spivs, con men, liars, charlatans, wide boys running my club. Because if they are it is no longer the club I grew up believing were that wee bit better.

I don't believe one word that comes out of Whyte's mouth, I think he is incapable of telling the truth. But one thing is clear, Green is a liar, Green is a wide boy in a suit, Green is a spiv, Green is a con man. I cannot accuse him yet of being a tax dodger, yet.

For the first time in forty years I will not be renewing my season ticket, until Green proves beyond doubt that Whyte is not involved, until Green proves who owns the assets.

Even then, until the liars are all gone, until there are no spivs or con men involved, until the wide boys in suits are gone, I won't be back. If that means finishing in 5th position for ten years so be it, I would rather know that my club was in the hands of good people, rather than winning.

Murray, Whyte, and now Green it seems, should ever be remembered for what they have done, may they pay for what they have done. They have marred the name of my club, a famous institution, and it may never be the same again.

All for money!

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Op well said. Agree with every word

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Christ can you read minds. but here is the but I feel the same way as yourself and thanks for your great post
i feel I need to be there BECAUSE of what you say BECAUSE of the spivs because if we do not stand guard and be vigilant who will, who is the guardians of Rangers future, me and you
me and you must stand and hope for the best because we have little power now but it will not always be that way, we must stand and take the blows and be ready to move for power in the future. Les

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Sums up what I'm thinking OP.

Imram Ahmad telling Craig Whyte to send money to his mum's account?

Sorry, I refuse to give people like that a penny of my hard earned money even if it harms the club I first saw back in 1969. If you don't make a stand against shysters then things will only get worse. Utterly disgusted with what's going on at this once great club. In fact at this moment in time I think please go Green & Ahmad and you can take Ally with you. Total clean sweep required.

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As a celtic fan can I just say my heart gos out to this guy. I really do hope decent fans like yourself reclaim your club, alas I do feel with the current regime their mayby more heartbreak ahead

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Well said mate. It's sickening what happen one at Ibrox, the fans don't deserve it. HH. Joe

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Well said OP, couldn't agree more! I am starting to feel that this is no longer the club I have grown up with. (And I don't mean the New-Oldco non debate). Putting aside the team for a minute, the whole club ethos has crumbled and it's not due to the supporters! How do we remove these spivs, they don't understand the Rangers way, they only see pound signs and don't care how they get their hands on it. I can handle the humbling, even the slow team progress, but not this open door policy to sleekit Weasels with Forked tongues! It's all wrong.

WANTED!

A few Good Men.

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Well said. needs co-ordinated action.

Disgruntled fans pay season ticket money into fund (say run by ally - a shareholder). and this only hands over money if deeds and audited accounts provided.

simples. as this fund grows so does pressure.

fans own clubs, in part, act in unison.

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A post from the heart perhaps but they won't be "my team" anymore if you don't come back. Rangers are big business. there is money to be made off of us that's the way it is now and was the first time you bought a season ticket, do you really think there was no one making money off the fans in 1973 or that SDM didn't take anything out? The only difference is that we are playing it out in public just now. Keep the faith mate, grit your teeth and let's help OUR team back to where we belong.

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Best post I have read, by far, and really puts into words how I feel.
I first set foot in Ibrox to watch our much loved club in 1955 and like yourself have sang and cried through the years.
Your reference to'' in the hands of good men'' really does cover our main problem. In the pursuit of glory we have lost the basics that gave us our standing and the associated respect.
We must hope that we will stem the tide but I will not hold my breath.
billyb.

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Green (sole director of Rangers 5088) tried to involentarily liquidate Rangers 5088 in dec2012 - but this has been blocked!

Looks like this is where ibrox and murray park reside. £45 million pounds of assets.

nice days work.

Who blocked it - HRMC, BDO, Whyte?

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Greed mate. Plain and simple. I don't know how people like that can sleep at night. They don't care a jot what it means to you or countless other Bears. Makes me angry (and I'm a 'tic man). Fingers crossed it will be ok for rangers / the rangers or whatever. I want you to do away with your bigot fans (as ours) but I don't want the team to go. Your as much part of Glasgow as Celtic

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Spot on mate. I won't be renewing either. Totally fed up with this. Will be the first time in 30 years I won't be buying a season ticket.

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63 years for me. I agree with every word you say. I'm caught in a dilemma - if I continue to turn up every week, and renew my season ticket, am I being loyal to every thing me and mine have believed in and stood for?
wee willie

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@13 start a pledge fund and if enouff of you say your ST money is on-hold oyu may win after all.

Jock Stein "its anothing without fans. "

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