Rangers Banter Archive March 06 2012

06 Mar 2012 23:03:26
lets hope the next "billionaire" actually has some money. what a joke. a billionaire from motherwell. off the radar wealth. ho ho ho. sold for a pound, ahhh well ye cannae kic your grannny off the bus. well whyte could!

Whyte bought the bus and sold the wheels,and seats,and lights.then went back and sold his granny

Sorry mate i dont agree with above , i reckon whyte would have got equity from his granny then bought the bus.... we have to laugh craig+babybear

06 Mar 2012 22:59:58
It seems the sticking point in the player/administrators negotiations is whats to happen down the line.The deal admin wanted was a 75% wage cut with a reasonable fixed price sell on in summer for the big earners.This would allow the players to negotiate a larger signing on fee thus making up for the wages shortfall.All players have,allegedly,turned this down,with three higher wage bracket players asking to be released tomorrow.No doubt these players are taking advice from agents who will be already hawking them around England.Makes you wonder what kind of team will take to the field in the next game.

06 Mar 2012 22:53:50
Jim traynor had to make sure he got that we bit in. eh? “ they might have to pay for that mind you“ cheers jim, stewie

06 Mar 2012 21:27:52
ED What do you think about Celik leaving? Do you think he left because he was unimpressed by the quality at Rangers and the fact that we probably won't be in Europe next season. {Ed001's Note - nope, I think it is more likely he left because he wasn't settled and so could easily move on.}

06 Mar 2012 22:07:51
I think investers would put money into a div3 team, build the team properly over the 3 years and having a clean sheet, not up to £95 million debt inc the paye tax . And as to other clubs feeling the pinch, I'm afraid that's not the newco's problem, Rangers should not and will not be a cash cow to the rest of the league.

Cash cow, our 10m a year debt it dont add up pal sorry

whats the use of being a cash cow if ye go oot the game?

Certainly not to the tax man

06 Mar 2012 22:07:16
Ed,could craig whyte call in money due from rangers, {Ed001's Note - not right now, he has to deal with the administrators too.}

06 Mar 2012 19:46:14
hitthebyline.com/.../exclusive-scottish-multimillionaire-mulling-over-rangers-takeover/ -

Fellow gers fans, i've just found this on google. Have a read

We can only hope
trueblue

Thanks mate,,the slightest bit of hope certainly helps,,heres hoping,I know if I had the money I would be right in there,whats the difference of having 800m or 600m,he would never miss it and save the future happiness of hundreds of thousands of true blues

What a load of p1sh.

No businessman will make a business decision to make fans happy.

Totally agree mate , if your a so called boy hood fan , what is the difference between 800 an 600 mill, you could be remembered for eternity as an absolute, bar none, LEGEND,when you have that much money it's just a number it's not like you even see it! WE NEED A HERO....
PaulRFC

06 Mar 2012 19:43:06
bbc reporting players still coming and going at Murray Park tonight

06 Mar 2012 19:40:52
Radio Clyde Steven Davis recalled back to Murray park

06 Mar 2012 19:08:48
Some Celtic fans wanting titles taken away from before the SPL . I can't see how that can happen as the top division in Scotland was the Scottish Premier Division therefore not the same league so the SPL board have no rights to strip the titles.

Its not just about Celtic, all the other clubs lost out on a number of trophies and prize money let alone playing in europe, to have the experience, which would have helped develope the spl into a better league.(i think Aberdeen could have won a treble at one point). its just about doing whats right and if found breaking rules then a punishment is needed..is it not? the more serious of a crime equals to harsher penalties, even if striping of trophies.
I think your right about spd, but if spl find somthing out, i think that would open a look back to before the spl to see if there were any wrong doings. i think this may be bigger then what people think.

A Court has the right to strip them.

I'm sure the sfa could have something to say.

I'm getting a little tired of every non Rangers supporter adopting the moral high ground here. As far as i'm aware Rangers have not been found guilty of any wrong doing at this time. Rangers are only guilty of financial incompetence deriving from our former chairmans aspiration to succeed in the Champions league an admirable, but in hindsight, foolish folly. I do apologise to the clubs we owe money to and do hope the administrators put that right but as far as calling us cheats, i believe, is unfair. And even if found guilty of wrong doing I would put to you that if the SFA were to investigate other clubs then similar financial dealings would be rife throughout. "Let he who casts the first stone !!!!"

Arte et Marte

Its yous casting the first stone that got you into this mess..so if found quilty you think they should get away wit it because they are rangers? get head out of sand and be sensable, stop thinking others act like ur club.

At no time during my post did I say Rangers shouldn't be punished if found guilty of any wrong doing. I am unaware of your allegience but if you believe your club has never been involved in any suspect financial dealings during its history then maybe you need to get your head out the sand.

Arte et Marte

So it is only now that you say other clubs act like yous, how come you never said anything last year...ooo wait you cant take it your club is what people said it was for years and you dont want to face facts but just blame(like always)= head in sand... you talk about morals, if your club had any it would not be in the problem it is in.fact! as your clubs changes you fans need to as well

Liquidation will "erase" all titles , Scottish Cup and League Cup wins , the European trophy yous won no longer exists , so when the "New" Rangers are formed they will start afresh with : no name , no history , no badge with no red stars , in fact they will have less honours than East Stirlingshire who have minor honours , welcome aboard .

06 Mar 2012 18:31:52
Can't believe cw and David Murray has got away with murder over this.average people who work hard for the minimum wage is losing there job over this because dm and cw.yes dm brought success but at a price and cw could just see the green eyed monster for himself.how can they sleep at night??I know,with there millions in several Swiss bank accounts.fair play to those who are walking away with nothing to save other jobs!!I know I come on here to annoy you Gershwin but at a time like this use have my sympathy!!hail hail rusty the tim,p.s not long till Celtic have the 5 stars and the big star on there green and White top

06 Mar 2012 18:01:14
What gets me is why an ex Rangers employee (Rangers man) felt the need to disclose the non-disclosure EBT situation with regards to certain players contractsto the SFA. Mr Adams what is he getting out of this apart from seeing us possibley losing titles.This guy is either very brave or completley stupid. One of our own kicking us when we are down.
Double D.

A man with morals and who is able to say he has a clear conscience. Not many at Rangers can say that. Financial Doping on an industrial scale.

A man with morals ? took a lot of time for them to come to the surface,now in his eighties aye its amazing how some things just come to you out of the blue(pardon the pun)

So he should knowingly cover up fraud for dignity fc, morally morally wrong!

Didn't he try to flag up his concerns 10 years ago and was laughed at?

1903

Maybe he was part of the fiasco and hes cut a deal so nothing happens to him when the s**t really hits the fan.

06 Mar 2012 17:33:31
Broadfoot told by administrators to return next week as they are dealing with playing staff first

Ha ha ha made me laugh mate on a horrific day.... craig+babybear

Me too. Everyone chins up
WATP
Leeroy

06 Mar 2012 17:18:07
LEGAL experts have revealed that Rangers could argue Employee Benefit Trusts do not constitute a contract – as the SPL became the latest organisation to investigate their financial affairs.
There have been claims today that the stricken Ibrox club could be stripped of the titles they have won since the inception of the SPL, after the governing body launched a probe into an allegation made by former director Hugh Adam last week that players were given two contracts and ‘under-the-table-payments’ stretching back to the 1990s.
The SFA confirmed last Friday they were already looking into the Adam allegations, and the SPL confirmed yesterday: ‘‘SPL rules D9.3 and D1.13 impose a prohibition on players receiving payments for playing football or participating in an activity connected with football except where such payments are made in accordance with a form of contract approved by the SPL and require that all such contracts are submitted to the SPL within 14 days of being entered into.”
But Richard Cramer, a lawyer with FrontRow Legal, a firm that specialises in sports business, believes the discretionary nature of payments under trust rules is the opposite of the normal understanding of a contract.
Rangers, of course, have already been served a demand by HMRC for their use of EBT’s over a decade; the club’s appeal on that demand to a First Tier Tribunal will rule inside the next month on whether they are liable, and the bill could hit a staggering £49million if it goes against them.
But it’s the allegation that SPL and SFA contract legislation has been breached that will be probed by the governing bodies, with a range of sanctions open to them if any wrong-doing is proved.
It would appear, however, that EBT’s cannot be considered as ‘second contracts’ as has been claimed.
Cramer said today: “Rangers could argue to any inquiry that the EBTs are a private matter between club and player because they involve a discretionary payment.
“They could say to the league: ‘Why should we inform you of discretionary payments that do not fall under the umbrella of a normal contract?’
“For example, with EBTs there is no contractual enforcement right. You are relying on the goodwill of your employer and you could advance the argument that if there was no contractual obligation to pay money then there is no binding contract.
“There is an argument that the club could simply say that all EBTs fall outside the normal definition of contract.
“EBTs have always been a little bit scary from a player’s point of view precisely because it is a discretionary payment. What the player is relying on is the ability of the owner or company to honour the agreement.’’
SportTimes can reveal that Rangers paid its parent company Murray Group a £500,000 fee every season for legal matters to be taken care of, and the administration of player EBTs came under that umbrella.
And EBT expert Graeme Nuttall, an independent government, said payments made under the scheme were ‘‘not a contractual right’’. He explained: ‘‘There is no obligation to pay the employee a certain amount of money.
“Typically, there would be an expression that you were part of a bonus plan and that would be paid into an employee trust.
“So it is not a contractual right for the player to receive a sum of money.’’
A draft letter claiming to outline details of off-shore payments and performance-related incentives issued to an un-named Rangers player was published in a Sunday newspaper nine days ago.
Nuttall conceded, however, there would be documentation on both sides. He said: “The player would receive some documentation and there would also be a trust deed.
“You would expect letters of instruction from the club. The trustees would have issued guidance that is not strictly legally binding. It all works on a trust basis.
“There are a lot of good, genuine employee trusts out there.
“It has been a constant frustration to me over the years that employee trusts have been used for tax-driven purposes rather for genuine purposes.
“I do not know the details of the scheme at Rangers but I assume it was tax-driven.’’

evening times

Good for the legal experts, but its not them deciding the outcome of the tax case.

I think you will find it is legal experts that will decide the outcome mark.

Its not legal experts deciding the case? Legal and tax experts will be the front line...

06 Mar 2012 17:12:40
If we were allowed to join english league how many rangers fans would want liqudation too start again??

No never
trueblue

be lucky to have a team kenny bluenose

06 Mar 2012 17:02:37
I demand an enquiry into all the enquiries !

They are actually enquiring about it as wee speak

May i enquire as to wat ur enquiring?

We are enquiring about the enquiery

I would question why we would want to enquire in to an enquiry

Well theres enquires in to everything else so i think an enquiry into the enquiry is only rite to see if there enquiring properly

06 Mar 2012 16:24:36
Ed - Can players sign pre contracts with clubs for next season if they are released? Latest news from BBC is players are negotiating their release - i.e. McGregor could say I'll waive ma redundancy if yer release me and let mi sign fur Arry" {Ed001's Note - they can sign for clubs and join now if they want.}

06 Mar 2012 16:12:07
@Jimi88,
I honestly dont see whats funny about what mccoist said and that players that are leaving a club to make sure other people keep there jobs. And i dont see what connection these have with each other? Mind me to have a laugh when your have to quit your job.
Don

I'm self employed so i wont quit my job , however , i do pay my due taxes and i have cheated no-one . People wouldn't be suffering redundancies at the Debt Dome if your house was in order .

Remind me to dish out sympathy when its due . Ordinary workers have my sympathy , over-paid overrated and overfed players and management dont .

jimi88

If your self employed you have tried your hardest to reduce your tax burden if you employ an accountant ditto in other words you are a pr@ck

Never done a cash deal jimi88???

MY ARSE NO DOUBT U'R A HYPOCRITE!


GDog
95/7

Isn't it amazing? the overwhelming tsunami of fiscal piety eminating from the east end of the city. This country will soon be back on it's feet. ger1952

@Gdog

"Never done a cash deal jimi88??"

No , not once in 19yrs of self employment .

Not everyone is dishonest , i realise that taxes are good . They pay teachers , doctors , soldiers and build schools and hospitals . 50m in taxes could employ 1600 nurses .

jimi88

" you are a pr@ck "

Thank you . It's good to know i'm appreciated .

jimi88

Stunned by the fact someone can spell 'hypocrite' but not 'you're' ;)

06 Mar 2012 15:52:53
Just to make a small point here.Lots of bears saying McGregor and Davis wont go as there is a sell on value come summer.Have you considered that there might not be a Rangers when the next window opens? The options are clear for the Administrators,keep the club alive to pay the Creditors. If they cannot steer clear of liquidation they must sell now,and that means Whittaker included in the high earners list.Lafferty is the latest to have refused a wage cut(allegedly)and this will mean he must also be released.The players who have already left is just the start of the cull,i would also think that at least two of the coaching staff will go.Either players leave now or Rangers are liquidated in a matter of weeks.Add to this the other investigations,with a worrying silence from the people involved,and it looks bleak.You can only hope the players act in the best interests of the club.

Correct! I made this point earlier and was shot down, I am sure both Davies and McGregor will be gone by tonight, RAngers simply cannot afford them

Also consider that players are entitled to reject a pay cut. Not least their agents will be telling them to accept nothing as if they are made redundant they are entitled to a pay off and they get the chance to sign with another club and get a signing on bonus. Do not think for one minute that these players are loyal to Rangers - they are footballers and they like their agents are motivated by money.

06 Mar 2012 15:47:14
After the sh1te Murray has left us in. I really think we must change the name of Murray park. yes/no.

Yea your right. I would re-name its Glasgows new out of town shopping centre.

06 Mar 2012 15:34:58
Shoot me down if you like, and it might have been said on here numerous times too, but im a Celtic fan looking at this from a different angle. I have spoke to other Rangers fans i work with and fell Whyte has been put in place to liquidize the club. All the so called Rangers legends eg. Murray, Ogilvie have looked and thought, we are gonna get blamed for this! Enter Whyte who im sure Marray knew was at the least dodgy. Bring the club down, walk away with X amount of millions and the flak is lessend on Marray etc. As i said, might have been mooted before, appologies if it has, but as a Celtic fan looking in its a sad day for Scottish football. Well played

Once it's 'liquidized', can I have a glass? ger1952

06 Mar 2012 15:25:12
whylde must huv another contract wi west ham or somethin....thwpm

06 Mar 2012 15:15:44
furthermore.....steven davis is worth aboot 2 million.....mcgregor 6 million...are we gettin money fir these plumbers....wheres the buyers??....there in awe the hotels sittin back waitin on the bottom line thats wit.....once were on wir knees watch them hover like flies roon craig whyte....the wee prime minister

06 Mar 2012 15:12:31
thinkin that if there were offers on the betty grable then players wouldny be leavin....the cost tae replace whyte would be aboot a mill.......thats just went doon the kazzy..

06 Mar 2012 15:09:51
celtic fan here just want to say well played to Greig wylde

06 Mar 2012 14:41:54
I hope white and Murray are taking all this in, I wonder will they be able to sleep in their beds tonight?

Sure they will on a very expensive bed in their million pound houses , fab1

06 Mar 2012 14:35:37
Silence from the likes of SDM despite him no longer owning Rangers fc would suggest perhaps that he does have something to hide,which if true should see him stripped of his Knighthood. Well aware that everyone is innocent till proved guilty and really hope i am wrong,but difficult to accept that all the information comimg out about the administration at the club over the past decade is not accurate.

He wasn't knighted for services to football so highly unlikely.

06 Mar 2012 14:28:57
Just seen a tweet that Steven Davis has asked to leave. I really do not know what to make of all this!! There must be a hidden agenda behind all this madness!
I never thought I would eceperience something like this with Rangers. It's like Transfer deadline day only players leaving... GUTTED

06 Mar 2012 14:27:10
Reported on sky sports news that three other players have asked to leave club,wont be those with high sell on value but just who might they be?
Hope that it is not the likes of Ness despite his injury issues or Perry as guys like them will be needed just to even have a chance of rebuilding.

06 Mar 2012 14:06:59
how sad it is to see the players now being realesed but what i cant understand and ed you may comment on this over the last three seasons we brought club debt down from approx £28 mill to £18mill won three titles trimmed the squad payed all taxes wages etc so we must have been running at a profit for the debt to be brought down and surley if we had carried on in the same way it would have fallen further but instead we have new owner i know he borrowed 24 mill against the tickets but 18nof that went to lloyds so how are we not running at 10mil loss per year i cant get my head round this {Ed001's Note - it is strange, but then we don't know the full accounting and where money was coming from. We do know that this season there would have been no income from ticket sales to pay running costs though.}

06 Mar 2012 14:05:03
A Celtic supporter here no wind ups today as this is people's livelihoods we are talking about good luck to all the people who leave not only the players but all in the background it's not the present players faults but chairmen and directors of the past I have many friends and family in the blue corner chin up 2day and let's see this come to an end very soon

Thanks for that!

06 Mar 2012 13:59:19
When can we hope to hear that Whyte has been sacked ? Come on the Polis !

06 Mar 2012 13:46:07
Don't know about you ed but i think duff and phelps are morons! other fans shoot me down but i thought that the players proposal was quite decent, byebye rangers, that kent and the adterminators wants rangers dissapearead out of this planet, poor show from wylde though the wee dack probs thought he was a danny wilson! “ I‘m way better than everybody here“ well guess what wee man, you'll be stuck on the bench for the rest of your career “ probably! sorry ed just a really angry bear, stewie

Wylde volunteered to be made redundant with no wages for this month or redundancy money in the hope that 'normal' people's jobs could be saved - office, kitchen staff etc. How can you have a go at him for that?

1903

Just read your post explaining you hadn't heard the full story, Stewie. Understandable that emotions are running high with Rangers fans today.

1903

As you scroll to the top mate i posted to appologise for the rant, no hard feelings eh 1903, stewie

Cheers 1903 yeah i believe every rangers fans emotions will be high, not a very good day for rangers, not goin to mention anythin else but az the saying goes 'things will get worse before they will get better' so maybe, just maybe they will be some kind of light at the end of this very very long tunnel, just like to thank celtic fans or any other fans that are in some way supportive cheers , stewie

06 Mar 2012 13:42:48
Just on a couple of lighter notes. Went to talk sport to see if there is anything new at ibrox, and it had the linesman getting hit by cardboard video A must watch if your feeling down. Then decided better at sky go. Only to find on nat geo wild a program called 'zombie sealions'. Think i might watch that instead :D.
Don

06 Mar 2012 13:33:35
i am sitting in tears here fellow bears, even after three weeks of this crap i hoped for the best. just cant believe that our great club has been dragged through the mud because of the greed of certain individuals. now that players are being released i just think that there is no alternitive to liquidation. the hardest part in that will be knowing that i wont be able to take my wee grandson to ibrox for the first time to watch the RANGERS. cos any newco wil NOT be the club that i supported all my life and can never be the same for me.

Get a grip man- as Jock Wallace would have said. We are talking about football here, not your families health etc. What are the most important things in life to you?

ps. I have supported Gers since 1980, before you make me out to be a tim.

Think you need to "get a grip" yourself man! Leave the bloke alone. He is upset as all of us Gers men are. Ive been supporting the Rangers for over 50 years and my Dad and my Grandpa were Rangers fans. We are more than a club so poke off!

Poke off?? lol.

My point was there are far more important things in life than football. If you feel otherwise, good luck to you. I will stand by what I posted, in fact will extend it to ' get a grip and a life' have a good day now, good health to you- cos that IS important.

06 Mar 2012 13:17:28
Good luck and thanks to all who are losing their jobs today at the club. Our best wishes go with you and hope that you find new jobs very soon.

06 Mar 2012 13:11:06
Wish Wylde all the best, he should have been the future of Rangers.
Just hope he doesn't come back to haunt us in a hooped top!

Not good enough for Celtic.

06 Mar 2012 13:05:56
Listened to Neil Doncaster on the radio this morning when asked about the current tv deal depending on Rangers participation his answer was yes the tv and most sponsorship deals depend on both the of participation together but the tv deal is up for renewal in the summer.

in my opinion Liquidation is the unavoidable so DO IT KNOW. dont try and hold out till the end of the season it will only make bigger fools of us (if thats at all possible) it helps no one but the SPL,SFA and the other spl clubs and as they are making it very clear they dont want us so f*** them lets fold now and watch the remainder of the spl struggle for the next three months then have to budget next season without or a greatly reduced sponsorship and tv money


Fort William Bear

Ah, the true negativity coming out now from Rangers supporters. We're going to fail, so let's do all we can to make everyone else fail. You are absolutely pathetic and your comment tells us all we need to know about your character. Sad little life, sad little life.

Listen dipstick yes we are going to fail but i never said lets do all we can to make others fail all i am saying is they think they can do fine without us well i say give them their wish sooner rather than later. as everyone keeps telling us Scottish football will be better without us so you would think they would be glad if we went a bit earlier than predicted


Fort William Bear

I'm a Kilmarnock season ticket holder and I cannot understand the hatred that exists towards Rangers. It seems like a witch hunt to me and I am at this moment ashamed to be Scottish. We should all be backing Rangers, players and staff. I believe that if Rangers go into liquidation all of Scottish football will suffer. The only people who disagree are bigots. I wish Rangers the best of luck

Well said mate.....billy the bear.

Kilmarnock season ticket holder? You mean you cant afford to get to Ibrox!
It's not a witch hunt..its righting wrongs that have been done against the taxpaying public and other law abiding teams in the scottish game!

06 Mar 2012 12:58:36
Wylde and mervan offski guys, here's the start off a new era...

06 Mar 2012 12:55:40
I'm the person who wrote about why should Rangers players take a wage cut, in reply to Don, I understand what you're saying but in todays climate, there are very few loyal players nowadays, most of them just want to make as much money as possible, I just feel the Rangers players are totally fed up with what's been happening & I don't blame them. I feel sorry mainly for the likes of Mcgregor, as it took a long time for him to break into the team & now that he has finally fully established himself, not only at club but international level, this happens to him. I also read someones comment about not going to away games, I would support that, after all, every team wants us dead & buried & one final thing, I can visualise the Celtic fans actually foaming at the mouth when they talk about Rangers, they are completely obsessed with us, hope they get what they want if we're liquidated, absolutely nothing because the SPL will become worse than the Faroes league, LMFAO.

06 Mar 2012 12:46:27
wylde and celik sacked

06 Mar 2012 12:42:12
Administrators are preparing to make as many as 11 players at crisis-hit Rangers redundant after wage cut deals broke down.

Meetings between the squad and Duff and Phelps continued on Tuesday over proposals to slash the staff bill at the Ibrox club.

However, the plans to defer part of the players’ wages until the end of the season was not accepted by the administrators and redundancies are now highly likely to follow.

06 Mar 2012 12:29:40
Rumour on facebook from the Rangers Supporters 2012 (Official Fan Page) that Gregg Wylde has been sacked.
hope it's not true as I thought he was a good player with a lot of potential. If it's true then, All the best Greg

Not sacked but volunteered to be made redundant.

06 Mar 2012 12:18:29
gregg wylde has been sacked .more to follow

06 Mar 2012 12:05:33
What a load off p@sh..lafferty,sh@gger and davis are worth about 12 million quid they're not the ones that'll get binned. Why do you think craig shy@e got them on new contracts. So he could sell them when this happened they'll go but not for nothing. Billy the bear.

Think again you numpty.

If the administrators are trying to save the club and need the money now, they may feel it's better to release them to save the wages for day-to-day running costs - the £1m per month. If not, there might not be a club to save by the time the transfer windows open at the end of the season.

On the other hand, the top earners may agree to a wage cut, which is what the aministrators want. If they don't, they'll probably be released.

1903

06 Mar 2012 11:38:50
Here are a few questions that rise from the recent outpourings from the SPL/SFA and Rangers
1. Why now is the 10 point penalty no longer good enough? Is it because 10 points were docked off and Rangers were still in second place?
a. Why was it more than enough when Motherwell and Gretna went into administration? (Thus the question, how focused was yesterday�s meetin on simply penalising Rangers� no such meetings and demands were called for against Motherwell and Gretna)
b. How can yesterdays SPL meeting not have been influenced by thoughts of Rangers and remained independent and objective? Well, could it?? Probably not�. And yet, all of the facts and truth surrounding Rangers FC are not known yet the SPL is desperate to sit as Judge and Jury and draw up sanctions and penalties (which, I suppose if they are objective and level handed, and not just against 1 club, it will ultimately penalise half of the SPL who are pretty much penniless�like Dunfermline, Hearts, Aberdeen, etc etc� folks that don�t pay bills on time either�).
2. Why have the SFA got hot under the collar about �2 contracts� when it hasn�t exactly been �hidden�� after all, the EBT tax case has been on-going for years and well circulated in the public domain�it�s no big secret or shock�.the SFA just opted to ignore it until now�and, let�s be objective�.there is no way this could have been going on for over 15 years and the authorities knew nothing about it�this particular aspect stinks�.
3. Why did the SPL/SFA not re-write the rules when Motherwell were in administration, or Gretna�why has it taken a third club to go into administration before something got done about it?
a. Why did rules not change about meeting payments then, and be more in line with the English lower leagues � ie.., don�t pay your bills on time and we will dock you 3 points straight away
4. Are these SPL clubs that want all the rules changed stupid�how can they seriously sit in judgement on Rangers when clubs like Hearts and Dunfermline can�t pay their bills; Kilmarnock had troubles last season and Aberdeen have had issues in recent times also.
a. On a further financial note�even though Dunfermline appear to live within their means, is it not worrying that £80K is enough to tip them over the edge in terms of meeting liabilities�and they have already shut half their stadium to reduce costs�

On point number 2/ i think the SFA are scared this will get them in trouble.Mcclelland,Bain and Ogilvie all held senior posts in the SFA during the period under investigation while being connected to rangers at the same time.Conflict of interest?..........green jhedi

Let's face it, it is only because we have been successful. We have to admit it, the club appears to have bent, if not broken, the rules and it is the clubs fault, no-one else is to blame. We, just like the Gretna, Motherwell and other fans up and down the country, were quite happy to take the glory. Let's use our remaining dignity and take what is thrown at us, accept it and move on. No one is going to help us as "no one likes us, we don't care" so let's not care and just get on with it. We can't blame anyone else but our boards.

Forget about the above ,just pay your way and the rest dont matter,you conned swindled and did not pay taxes,its a no brainer take your medicine like as big boy

Unbelivible, rankers not paying dunfermline means they cannot pay their players and u have a go at them, penalise half the spl wot a cheek u r penalising them by not paying them, yeah sfa, spl do stink celtic fans have been saying it for years.

06 Mar 2012 10:52:54
Ed?
Apart from everything else thats going on and more appearing daily!!
It would appear the sticking point fpor a new buyer is the BIG tax case.
If RFC were to win this (possible) would there be any recourse to suing HMRC for causing such uncertainty over months?

bill72 {Ed001's Note - you would have almost no chance of winning a case like that, HMRC are a special case, in some respects it is understandable that they are. I mean the country needs the tax income to operate on, being so badly managed in the past, the last thing it would want is for it to become more difficult to rake in tax revenue because the HMRC are too scared to chase it in case they face court action.}

06 Mar 2012 10:38:15
Hi Ed ,

Quick question if Rangers go into
liquidation who pays the administrators
for their time ? Or do they simply get
hee haw as well just like the creditors?

Cheers {Ed001's Note - all the creditors would get a cut of the sale of any assets remaining after the administrators are paid, at least that is how it operates in England.}

Liquidation means that all the assets of the business are sold and any money raised goes to pay off the creditors...Hence the reason CW wants to put you into liquidation...he is first in line for £18M for a £1 bet...then he will gift his shares to the supporters.
I wish people would stop saying "if we go into liquidation HMRC get nothing"...wrong! you end up with no ibrox, no murray park, no albion car park, no players...well you end up with nothing...HMRC will share in the proceeds of this sale!

06 Mar 2012 10:19:04
I expect the following players to be made redundant today:

McGregor
Davis
McCulloch
Lafferty
Whittaker
Papac
Healy
Aluko
Celik
Bocanergra

The proposals by the players yesterday simply didnt meet the levels of cuts required.

Getting these guys off the wage bill and cutting the wages of the remaining playing staff would just about make up the shotfall of £1m a month.

I am aware that some of these players would have a sell on value in the summer but Rangers need to get to the summer first and foremost. Tha Administrators must take drastic action today!

Before anyone chips in, Lafferty is not injured, he cant play again without triggering a further payment to Burnley! While Whittakers wages will be paid by the insurance until he is fit, only a couple of weks away.

Up side is some young players will get a chance, lets see what they can do?

Well mate , firstly you only got 1 out of 10 correct, but maybe the rest could follow, and 2 well your wrong gregg wylde has just left us (young player) but IMO i think we will try and get rid of all the young ones before picking away at the 1st team ( possibility) well except for cellick he has been told to go but that maybe down to owing money to genk ( spelling), it maybe be bad saying this about the young ones but it could happen and IF we get out of this mess then we should probably get more in ‘ no option not to turn them all away. Shoot me down guys if you feel its a bit harsh in what i have said. ( LOYAL BEAR)

06 Mar 2012 10:15:05
Groundhog Day :-(

When will this pish end?? Lets start
fresh from D3, getting bored of this now

J

06 Mar 2012 09:04:31
Morning lads and ed ;)
Well I wonder what shocking revelations will be unearthed today then, maybe mr Murray the pr!cks been selling red diesel to the players, well he's screwed the tax man every other way, can I ask you ed or anyone if there's a plausible reason why Hugh Adam would lie, has he for some reason got an axe to grind, because I've got a feeling he's telling the truth and that we are fooked
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware he has no axe to grind, in fact quite the opposite, it seems he has been trying to get this same message across for years now.}

Ed if as it seems Hugh Adam has been trying to get this message across, would it not be as simple as an anonymous call like he has now done now? Surely this is perverting the course of justice if he knew this was going on for years yet said nothing. Clearly they were all in on it, every f*cking one of them ruining our club and only now when they have all been let go! The stories surface and why? Do these guys feel they owe something to society or something because if that's the case then surely they should have thought about society when this was actually happening but naw they were all getting paid the big bucks.
We are a bloody laughing stock just now I just hope there is even a small light at the end of the tunnel.
Leeroy {Ed001's Note - I don't think anyone would have listened to him until now.}

I thought as much ed,I can't believe this mate, honestly, where does it end mate? Is there ANYTHING that Murray has done that is actualy legal, people say he can't be stripped of his title because it was for charity work well that's bull plop, in my books the mans a criminal an should be treated as such, what Murray meant to say back in the day was "for every fiver Celtic spend,we will ILLEGALY spend ten"
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - we don't know for sure that Murray has been guilty of illegal payments etc. It could be that this is simply allegations that turn out to be unfounded. What we do know 100% for sure is that Murray is guilty of gross mismanagement of the club. To allow a company to get itself in such financial straits with a captive market base of the size of Rangers, well it beggars belief. All you have to do is spend a bit less when you have less coming in, it is not rocket science!}

He has Ed, he first made Rangers supporters aware of the risk of bankruptcy 10 years ago. Instead of being listened to, he was hounded for what he said. This man was the only board member who had the courage to stand upto SDM and as a result left Rangers after 30 yaers service and sold his shares. In his time he raised £18m pols money (equivelant to £60m today). {Ed001's Note - thank you.}

Ed,i have been wondering about why it has taken Hugh Adam so long to speak out also.Do you not think he's trying to cut a deal like some criminals do that tell everything in exchange for not being charged?I know he mentioned the threat of bankruptcy 10 yrs ago but there has been nothing since until now.Do you think he knows what they did wasn't right and wants to cover his own ass?Just curious as i have been talking to my Gers supporting wife and we can't really figure out this guys motives,did he mention all this to SFA years ago and they did nothing?

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed001's Note - he mentioned it all 10 years ago and was basically told to shut up he was a fool.}

06 Mar 2012 08:40:39
If Rangers do not have to pay their
creditors or honour their debts
because of administration. Then I
think we should be relieved that
they decided to honour the season
tickets that were sold by the club
pre administration. It seems to me
they had no legal obligation
to do so - Jaxie

06 Mar 2012 08:26:09
I think there may be a chance of playing in England but we would need to start way down in the lower leagues. Welsh teams are playing there & I know they were admitted a long time ago but we would need to be an open book to the English FA re our incoming & outgoing etc, plus they would monitor us for any sectarian singing. If & I mean if we did play in England, I wouldn't care about starting way down the leagues because after reading the story that we could be docked 30 points at the start of next season means we could be relegated. If there is a chance to get out of the SPL, I say do it & leave all the dross to play amongst themselves, after all, they don't want us anyway.

We would require a newco to buy over a club already in English league, rename them and then use their stadium. M how many fans would travel to say London if we bought Orient for example. As yet there are no precedents to allow us to play from Scotland. The Welsh examples were permitted as no welsh league was in place.best hope might be liquidation and SFL and we would need to be quick or there may be no team in any league next yea

06 Mar 2012 06:42:14
Forgive me if an wrong, on subject of Cardiff and Swansea, is it true that if Cardiff or Swansea was to reach the top 4 in the English premier league, they would not be allowed to participate in the champions league as there are already welsh teams participating, not sure if it's true but it dies makes sense, would this be the case if by miracle rangers were to reform and join the premiership as we are/would still be a Scottish club?

Also is it true that the SPL can pick and choose who has to represent there country in European football, but choose to allow the teams who Finnish 1/2 in the league threw fairness?

Jus a query, do hopefully no silly replies or vile attacks!! {Ed001's Note - it's not true, this matter has been discussed at length, by UEFA and the English and Welsh FAs, and Cardiff and Swansea are eligible to compete in European football, if they qualify through cups or league.
Yes the SPL do get a set amount of places each season that can be awarded as they choose. In Scotland they are awarded as part of the prize for the highest two placed finishers in the league. In Holland, the winners get one place and the next few teams in the league have an end of season play offs to decide who gets which European place.}

06 Mar 2012 01:42:14
if what hugh adam says is true it just maybe the scottish leagues just dont want us at any price
a strange takeover ,a strange administration,a strange time for adam to speak out after all these years
a strange guy to get the club ,the tax case taking so long,Murray disapearing of the face of the earth

it seem as if were in a giant scam we cant get out of

what worse could happen
the squad gets ripped apart
dundee untd gives us a maulling
celtic give us a maulling,and there,s trouble and were not seen in a good light
and a lot off people think the club going down the swanny aint that bad anymore

job done

i hope to g-d this aint so but who would have seen this coming

the hugh adam will be the death of rangers if proved true.......les


,

Short memories regarding Hugh Adam.This was the man who,after revamping the Rangers pools,rebuilt Ibrox.He was also the man who spoke out against the Murray spending policy saying it would lead to serious financial problems in the future.He sold his shares Rangers shares,at a considerable loss,knowing that if he held them for a year or two he could have made more money.His warnings were ten years ago,i think that makes him a man who knows what he's speaking about.

Has any ex board members actually came out and denied the allegations made by Adam

Bman

Hugh adam wrote an article in the ninetys about this think it was the herald or the gaurdian but as no one wanted to know at the time it would appear he was one of the few honourable directors of rangers football club in recent times and he is being blamed for all your ills when will it sink in you are cheats who thought you are to big a bully for anyone to stand up to lets hope you are not right

Listen pal i,m aware of what the hugh adam thing means it means the end of rangers football club and scottish football as we know it,christ they threw spartans oot the cup for one players regestration,they,ll take the leagues and cups off us and uefa will make sure they do this is a terrible terrible mess
once it sinks in what has happened here in our name the rest of scottish football will want nothing to do with us........les

06 Mar 2012 01:27:20
oh n by the way.....may as well get this oot the road ......not an ally fan managerial wise....great wee striker...great patter....blah blah blah.....but when it comes tae the bottom ellino....nice guys come last in this medium ...cubbsakatheweeprimeminister on the daily broken record

06 Mar 2012 01:07:34
ok..here we go....could be this just a game to pick up oor club on the cheap....make a deal wi hmrc ....bingo ....dont be surprised if theirs already a buyer gettin in on the cheapo......wait for it.....maybe ed will gimme a hi five...cubbs

The airports of the world are on standby for all the private jets waiting to head to ibrokes

06 Mar 2012 00:47:00
Why don't we sell some of the flats that we own in bearsden/milgavie. The under 19 team have at least 4 surely selling them approx £200k each would free up some valuable cash

06 Mar 2012 00:29:32
Rangers cheating goes back so far that the Battle of� the Boyne has now been awarded to King James.

Lol!!
ohhh, they wont like that one mate:P

can just picture the big purple faces, foaming at the mouth and furiously bashing away at their keyboard lol!!!

Am a rangers man mate but a give that a big LOL, hey somebody needs to have a laugh and banter eh? (LOYAL BEAR)

06 Mar 2012 00:07:59
I was wondering how long before we have
A date on the big tax case. Would any judge
In the land worth his salt not tell you the
Verdict will be announced on x date.
Could it be that they are still looking over
The evidence ?

Where is the clown CW. I am reading lots
Of names associated with rangers as part of
This CW mob and I have no idea who they
are.

SDM must have done zero due diligence on
These wanxxrs. SDM where are you at this dark hour
Sitting in your castle down to your last
100 million as the Rangers go up on smoke
Shame on you and that Cxxx CW

Can't let this ever happen again. One ritch
Man going mad and dodging all the rules.
What a disgrace to the supporters and all the
Good guy at the club.

Sir WS must be a figure head for any way
Forward as 100 of the fans trust Walter as
He is Mr Rangers.
Ally has also conducted him self very well

Bro J

He was also at rangers through all the cheating and spending

Our club has been badly run by a very long time but i don't think for 1 minute that walter knew of any dodgy doings when it came to the contract side of things. we just need to hope that this can get sorted out and that we will survive to fight again. we WILL have some bad years ahead if that is the case but i personally would prefer gers to survive and retain 140 years of history than simply vanish. the other clubs need paid what is due them first off cause this is our mess and the shouldn't pay for it. that MIGHT help us survive