Rangers Banter Archive February 06 2013

06 Feb 2013 23:06:08
when is the crossbar challenge comimg back has not running since oct 12

They were hoping you wouldn't notice it was gone buddy.

Was the crossbar challenge not at half time at the berwick 4-2, or did I just imagine my mate david gibson making an ar*e of himself.

My pal did it at the Elgin game on January 5th 2013. and failed miserably!

It was there at the last home game

There was a guy trying to hit the crossbar during the last home game

If you hit the crossbar do you win anything? or is it just written off?

@6 if you can hit the cross bar from the penalty spot - yur in the team for next game - lol!

accuracy that good is what ally needs.

open goal there folks.

Do the same as the team has been doing recently blast it over, sometimes think i'm at murrayfield doug t. s. o

When you pay the outstanding payments and stop the reprocessing order on the cross bars

06 Feb 2013 21:05:18
I posted the other day about greenes jaunt to dubai for a pointless meeting with eca, just the same as the g8 for all the top teams, all talk nothing comes out it. Greenes timing for a wee hol just as humped by united&as I said to Ed, something fishy going on. low&behold an asian company want to have a WINDING UP ORDER served for the amount owed is �£400,000, well why let this be publicied causing more worries&uncertainty, as mr greene has 22milion SUPPOSEDLY in the bank, so why is it not been dealt with, there's dark dark clounds coming govan way again, getting taken for mugs, lining the money mens pockets, shame but nobody asking the serious questions. verdict. grennes a conman. sm

06 Feb 2013 18:09:25
I could be wrong but I have a feeling that after we win the league. Ally will call it a day as manager. its just not working out for him. the players we have are not as bad as it seems. they have played better with the clubs we bought them from. nobody buys a dud, its what you do with them that counts. there is a complete lack of confidence in the team. and if it carries on I have no confidence we will win the next league we are in. time to go Ally.

Let's hope so and we can get someone in who knows what they are doing and can play decent football

06 Feb 2013 16:54:18
Petition lodged with the court for a winding up order over an unpaid bill of �£400k. that's fair enough, could have been an oversight or an honest mistake, pay it and move on. What worries me is this is a company PAID to find investors. In effect hawk numbers round any old fund or wealthy individual to get investment. THIS IS HOW GREEN BOUGHT RANGERS! Green used investors money to fund the �£5.5m purchase. This guy always seemed a bit iffy, he is now starting to look very dodgy. Questions must be asked. Show the title deeds for Ibrox and any other properties asap. Prove how much has actually been BANKED of the share cash. To re-cap= Green has not put one penny of his own money into Rangers. His salary and benefits package is around �£500k and his friends he appointed won't be far behind. Any one see a pattern here?

Worst still this is part of the bill to find investors, just part.

It cost �£2 million for the float, 2 of the 4 invoices to this org is �£400k? is that �£3 million or more spent trying to raise money, only to get �£5 mill from fans. .

so the fans �£5 mill did not save rangers, or go to new players - �£3 million paid to find other investors.

Now where JG? Was it worth it. is the �£17 million other investors real money, or pledges?

It's sad that you decide to ask questions now that a winding up order is talked about, as you didn't learn from old rangers mistakes. Cg has lied this whole time and gave you faulse hope with new sponsors leaving spl and many more yet you believed him every time, how many lies is enough with yous? When someone tried to raise the questions for you all you say is another Tim at it.

The official statement issued by Mr Traynor tonight only hightens concerns. " say as little as possible " seems to be the directive and given that the the deception of recent times has led to ever increasing demands for transparency I find this response insuficiant,, it's somewhat embarassing that this information is clearly now being aired in public but the official response thus far hardly instills confidence that it's nothing to worry about. Mr Greene never misses an opportunity to express his views and I'd expect that a swift and concise expaination will be forthcoming when his current time zone aligns with ours.

@1 Anon - this will be long winded but you did ask for it so no apology

see the following LSE statement, (but maybe they are part of the big lie as well)

Rangers has raised approximately �£22.2 million, prior to expenses, through an institutional investor placing of 24, 242, 857 new ordinary shares at the placing price of 70p per new ordinary share (the "Placing") and a public offer for subscription (the "Offer"), pursuant to which 7, 437, 999 new ordinary shares were subscribed for at the placing price of 70p per share. The total number of Ordinary Shares in issue at Admission is 65, 096, 056, giving Rangers a market capitalisation of approximately �£45.6 million at the placing price.

What part of that do you not understand

and

yes there are lots of expenses associated with the raising of an IPO, its the same for any company why should we be different, so if we are left with 20M after expenses then to answer your first question is

Yes it was worth it, but if it upsets you think of it that the expenses were paid from the total 22. 2M raised not from the 5M from the fans, (i include myself there although there are some people who doubt that I bought any)

2nd question
you cannot buy shares with pledges, a share pledge is when someone takes a loan and uses shares as security against that loan

as for the story with the singapore company, there are probably four sides to that story
their side
our side
the truth somewhere in between
and then our favourite blogger alec thomson's (i have no agenda) side

next time you ask for a response why not leave a nom de plume

JG

Jg.

"What part of that do you not understand". you don't seem to know how AIM works (or shares in general keep getting terms wrong). note green stated pledges for �£17m, all fine and well, but there is still timescale to get that money INTO de bank (if you have bank account rememeber - is there not issue here using metro bank and its �£2m limit. details details details)

"you cannot buy shares with pledges" - maybe not in angola, but you can in Uk.

Sinapore company bill - a litte research shows that this bill for June/July before the float - its for early investment round, and just part of the bill (2/4) invoices, is there a similar bill for AIM float investor finders fee (thats unpaid and undeclared). ?

as you say two sides, but given green is linked via his previois business ventures to said singapore directors (odd - that - no?). you have no word on that linkage. or the costs involved maybe �£1 mill in june/july for finding investors, more in Dec for Aim, drip drip.

that �£10million war chest for players, may be contingent on more ST money? but does ST money not run the business in the first place.

whyte said �£30million warchest, and �£14m of that was unpaid tax.

green said �£10million - but no sign of it.

muarry say �£30million warchest

same old chestnuts, �£22m raised in AIM (you claim), ST �£7 mill, and yet Green already saying running at loss - already there is meelions in bank, or have they gone already?

nom de plume

JG @1 10 agrees, you post 1 agree.

10-1, 10-1.

I think this backs up part of my post
CLUB STATEMENT - Rangers Football Club has issued the following statement to its supporters relating to recent media reports.

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Once again, Rangers are the subject of media reports and speculation which are at best misleading and at worst malicious.

In an ideal world, for instance, one in which journalism wasn’t at such a damning low it has to be investigated by the highest authorities with culprits facing jail sentences, there would be no need for this Club to respond.

However, because it has become clear Rangers cannot rely on basic honesty, decency or integrity from enough of the country’s media outlets we must speak for ourselves. We have a duty to our supporters to put the record straight.

Rangers have been disputing a payment to a foreign company, Orlit, although it should be stressed we have never said there is no bill to be met.

What we have said and what we are telling our supporters is that not all of the invoices submitted with regard to this bill are legitimate.

Clearly there has been a lack of understanding within the media about this when all we have done is refuse to be forced into paying sums we do not owe. It is as simple as that.

Who on earth would pay out when faced with a spurious request for money?

No matter what anyone else says, Rangers have agreed a figure to settle this issue and it is a figure which, as we have already tried to explain, is significantly less than the initial demand.

Only the wording, which would put this matter to rest once and for all, has still to be signed off.

And despite what some over-excited but desperately ill-informed bloggers claim, there is no threat of this Club being closed. That is downright malicious and ludicrous.

But let’s make one thing clear: If Orlit wish to instruct their lawyers to go to court then we will defend our position vigorously.

We are absolutely convinced we’d win but we did think it would be better to avoid giving our many detractors another bar with which to beat us over the head.

That’s why we made an offer to settle but we now find we are still being harassed.

The thought process seems to be that if we have �£22m from the recent IPO we should just pay up. Bizarre. Why should we?

Of course we can pay the amount demanded – it is, as we’ve already stated, a small amount - but it is ridiculous to hand over more than is due.

The money belongs to Rangers and we will not give it out to anyone who comes along with invented invoices.

That would be reckless in the extreme and suggest that nothing has been understood from the past when Rangers were in effect mugged by money grabbers.

We are here to make sure that does not happen again. We do pay our bills on time and we have always been prepared to pay this one.

There are many people and journalists who will choose to disbelieve this truth but that is up to them.

They will continue to attack Rangers no matter what we say but this statement is not for them.

It is for our supporters. They deserve to know and understand the exact and precise state of play,

Rangers will not be closed. This Club will never run up crippling debts and we will not pay over-inflated salaries to players.

However, we will have a sensible pay structure which won’t threaten the club’s existence. That is what we believe the fans want.

Having said that, Rangers are rising and we will return to the top flight where we will be competitive again.

We are still very much at the beginning of a long road back and although there will be potholes to be negotiated, nothing will stop us.

Rangers are no longer soft touches. We will not bow to or run from bullies and we will not be pressured into handing out even �£1 if it is not merited.

We are sorry if this, or the fact that Rangers are financially healthy, isn’t what people want to hear but this is the new reality.

It is for others to come to terms with that and also our continued revival. It would, however, be a pleasant change if we could be left alone to get on with our business.

JG

@6 and no it wasn't me that clicked on the agree button before you suggest that as well

JG

JG why post an article which says "be a pleasant chance if we could be left alone". when you could have just posted the link?

you keep posting these, it looks like you work for RFC and are doing thier job?

worst still the statement you post is mostly pish and looks like its been hacked and posted. why re-post article in full, if its a hacker you just done thier job for them. ?

wakey wakey. {The Ed039's Note - I dont post links under any circumstances)

06 Feb 2013 15:23:35
Can somebody explain to me why Charles Green was at the at the football club conference in Qatar? Given that it was about the shape of European club competitions it seems a waste of our money.

I understand he went with the Montrose delegation in their private plane.

Just a publicity stunt to try joop people to think he's a big player the fact is he is only associate member and hasn't got a vote in that either

@2 that aftershave is f@ckin great

JG

06 Feb 2013 16:48:28
This Ally must go now crap should stop now. This will do nothing other than destabilise the club. There are even people advocating staying away from Ibrox until he goes. Shame on you, we don't need supporters like you at Rangers. Get behind the team the club and the manager. We've had enough Ally haters and Rangers haters tirying to destroy us without our own kind doing it. POB

Surely fans who want a different manager are allowed a voice. Many pay to watch the rubbish served up, just like those fans who back the manager despite the football on view.

OK Ally now you v'e made your point away and wash the Jerseys. TTTS

Its all very well saying support the team but I travel over 200 miles a round trip and I want to see the gers going forward but at this time were not

What would you suggest? End of the season or get a new guy in now to hit the ground running? One thing is for sure he just is not a manager, not even any signs of learning from his mistakes. One man up top against a part time team down to ten men? You happy with that?

No one hates Ally but everyone knows he's getting nothing from these players and will he get led up the yellow brick road again like he did with Whyte without telling us the supporters these are massive worries for me as a Rangers Supporter!

Why do some people post that if you want Ally out then you are an automatic Ally hater? get a grip mate! How bad does it have to get before you wake up and smell the coffee. As for your comment about saying you don't need some of the Rangers fans. You are in no position to tell anyone what to do and Rangers are in a position where every single fan is precious

@6. Loyalty is far more precious to Rangers right now. We don't need people urging others to stay away until Ally goes. If you or anyone else thought we had a chance in any of the cups against SPL competition with our defence then I'd suggest you need pa reality check. Get real man and accept we have less quality at the moment than we've been used to. POB

06 Feb 2013 14:34:55
if we want ally mccoist out as manager the only way we can do this is by staying away from ibrox in our thousands that is only way green will take notice when it starts hitting him in the pocket why should we keep footing the bill for these overrated high payed players

So stop giving our struggling team money?
Don

No this is not the way
the club needs out money and our support and we can see this out to the end of the season
but after that these problems must be adressed, Rangers football club can't go on as if nothing has happend there must be a new broom
in the dundee untd game I think that the performance, not the result, the performance is as bad as Berwick
a truely awefull performance live on national tv
but we will need to stand firm till the end and see this season out then
get on with it. but we need to stand firm. . Les

I. l say one thing about broadfoot he got the message from the fans and moved on, but ally must have oven gloves over his ears doug t. s. o

06 Feb 2013 13:43:58
I don't think the leagues won already were more than halfway there but work to be done if everyone's Morale stays so low, saying that I'd like us to give Youth a chance some of the Defenders & strikers none of us have seen before & Give Scott Gallagher or Blair Currie a run in goals yes it's a shame to pay a lot of those duds not to play but the lads need some experience, If Ally's going to insist in playing 1 upfront it should be the Chelsea way with Aird & Temps on the wings & Barry McKay playing off the striker maybe then just maybe we might be able to get the ball from back to front a bit quicker our build up play is so slow & boring its actually become a joke! Quick question does anyone know the natural position of Robbie Crawford is it CM?

Larky Bear

The youths are rubbish that's the problem we have no quality running through the club. we seem to have the best facilities but pick up useless players. a big big problem with these young players is they all think they have made it. look at the stupid haircuts and diamond earrings and the yellow boots etc. tey are getting far too much too quickly and mccoist and the papers telling them they are outstanding doesn't help either.

If league won in two weeks, and then 17 games left before ST renewal will games fizzle out and players go on hols early??

tricky time.

I'm convinced Walter Smith told Ally to play the older guys against dun Utd, average age over 26. 5yo.
It didn't work so might as well get beat using youth. But listen, youth need excellent advice and mentoring or they don't improve. Will they get that at MP?

06 Feb 2013 13:09:21
so many names being mentioned, butcher, davies, mcinnes, if and when the time is right I would like to see frank de boer, knows what the club is all about and has so much european experence and been educated to play football the ajax way, as I say only if and when the time is right!

What a stupid bloody post. When would the time be right? What makes you think he would be interested?

Not much chance of that, unless his career takes a total nose-dive. He'll be looking at jobs way above Rangers.

Why are our fans heads still in the clouds? De Boer honestly?

Don

I am sure De boer would leave the Dutch champions for a third division club reality check. Henke7

That wuld be the same De Boer who came to ibrox after his brother told him to come for 'one last big pay day'. Yes, truly he understood the club ethic.

@5 well said!

06 Feb 2013 11:57:07
“I have written in the strongest possible terms to HMRC pointing out the futility of such an appeal. ” - Charles Green on the HRMC appeal

So HRMC getting note from Mr Green, they will no doubt be confused as surley Mr Black done it in the library with the lead piping on Mr Red.

lol - cheap joke - but need some jolity in here. like a morgue.

Got to admit their pal that did give us a laugh. Light hearted and good fun. Cmoan the bears.

06 Feb 2013 01:03:03
As a follow-up to my ramblings about McCoist's dismal signing policy which by my calculation has wasted money of approx. �£5M since he became manager. . let's also bear in mind his abysmal record in ALL Cup Tournaments during the past 18 months which has cost the club in the region of �£14M. could be a little more if during any of the domestic cup runs we were drawn with Celtic given those one-off ties generate a �£1M+ in income for both clubs. .

So as the Manager responsible for the performance of the club on the pitch, McCoist has overseen the loss of earnings from touraments - and mismanaged transfer dunds including wages - that combined amounts to close on �£20M. .

This alone should be sufficient cause and justification for McCoist to be relived of his position.

So all those "Super Ally" supporters out there, consider this gross financial negligence which shows up his shortcomings as a manager. I am not knocking Ally the player and all he has done for the club but as a Manager he is the worst ever in our history.

And without a benefactor like SDM, the Club now needs to live within its own financial means for the first time in almost 30 years. That means it can ill-afford to squander money on bad signings - nor can it continually under achieve in cup tournaments.

It will always be one of the great "What If's. " If McCoist had actually qualified for last season's CL would we still have gone into administration. He had an easy route to ge �£10M guaranteed and managed to screw it up!

SPM

" benefactor like SDM" - ho ho ho

A man who claims not taking penny out of club, but had �£6 million out of the EBT alone.!!

How many other wheels and deals, MIH ran the EBT scheme, and fans paid to run that system, RFC owned Ibrox when murray appeared, now no-one knows who owns the deeds to it. ? Could be anyone, anywhere in the world. that's a �£30million pound asset - how much of that �£30 million does murray have in his pockets. ?

The real benefactor is the fans, they bought 26,000 shares before and lost thier shirts, they paid for the club-stand (?? fans did! - not the directors or the club? or murray ). fans paid for HIS steel?

wake up! or you will be robbed blind twice in a row.

Ally has been a shocking manager and needs to go. Possibly the most clueless manager in the clubs history. His signing policy, tactics, performances in the cup and demeanour on the touchline are embarrassing. The whole of Scottish football is laughing at us and him

Post No. 1 - You are missing my point about SDM. The club had this very arrogant approach to money under SDM. How many millions were wasted through individuals arrogance e. g. Flo at �£12. 5M, the wee General stamping his feet to get a training ground? Murray was the sole benefactor so no one bothered about accountability. Therefore the point I was making is the club - and in particular McCoist - needs to understand times have changed Now there needs to be a significantly improved accountability for the use of funds.

SPM {The Ed039's Note - Murray actually promised "The Wee general" world class training facilities before Advocaat had actually signed on)

A great post there fellow bear, he needs to be removed asap before any further damage is done. If he cared for and loved Rangers at all, he would know within himself he isn't up to the job and walk but I fear he is only thinking of himself and his 2 cronies who are also hopeless or a couple of yes men.

Orange Peel

I was all for giving Ally the season and still am. Come the summer though and he has to go plain & simple.

Watching Rangers at the moment is like a chore, the atmosphere we witnessed at the start of the season has gone & if I didn't think the club were still possibly in a perilous financial situation I don't know if I could be bothered going to any games. As it is I've already lent out my season card a few times in the last month or so.

The entertainment on display is dire and I think it's Ally's fault.

@2. not quite true, some of us are way beyond laughing and have moved onto complete incredulity.

05 Feb 2013 23:02:58
To those who think HMRC are wrong to go after the people in the big tax case, you are right they will get nothing out of our club but they may be able to recover monies from the companies who ran the scheme and from the players and officials who did gain out of it and it would also be a test case which could halt or even bring in �£millions from other companies using it if it is found to be wrong, which I Personly think it is, because it is robbing our schools, hospitals and other needy causes instead of lining pockets of greedy people who already have plenty.
As I said it won't cost our club anything so I don't once again see what it has to do with Green unless he has something to hide in his takeover. Whilst I don't think this is the case. At the moment people are saying there is different rumours coming out of Ibrox about a lot of different matters, they could shortly be saying it's lies not rumours. Sorry if this offends some of our support it is not intentional but factual.
Bobby

I think the question that needs to be asked, is who has the deeds to ibrox? If it's one of the peeps that HMRC are chasing then that could be a problem!
I personally think CW still owns the ground!

Well said bobby. that is what is going on. if rangers, the establishment team, are being victimised by the establishment what chance the rest?
if everybody calmed down they would see a very serious case of extreme mismanagement has occurred at rangers which involved flouting tax rules and football rules. the result has been the destruction of the club because the rest of scottish football refused to roll over and be tickled. god knows what green's up to.