Rangers Banter Archive April 06 2013

06 Apr 2013 21:03:46
Bears. Unfortunately, this calls for an age old tactic to expose truth. Namely, "starvation". Not one of us wishes to see any harm come to RFC, but whilst we are in the throws of rebuilding, if there are impostors in the camp, it's time to find out who they are. The staple diet of Whyte and Green seems to be money. if we cut off the money someone will squeal. if we continue to feed the situation, these comment will pull stroke after stroke whilst draining our pockets. time to take a stand. it can't get any worse if we cut off the supply.

You cut off the supply Charles pulls the plug. It's more or less blackmail my friend.

End of the day you have fans from all teams all over the works who will buy into a club with season tickets etc knowing it all about money. Money is going to drive the game and IMO will drive out FIFA in years to come. I do believe green is getting a out of jail card though but we bought that by getting the right people on board ie jabba & jim whyte (aye Jim whyte) keys & Gary too, why? all 3 bar jabba are rangers fans and are just glad that the owner of there club is giving them the time of day

Lenny

The problem with that is we then starve the club

The one and only ray of light over the past year has been the support of the fans, it's moving the club back to where it should be while giving every other group of people who knocked us down at every turn a swift kick in the tadger

Yet people think it's a good idea to stop

Let's face facts the last thing we need right now is another change of ownership, we need stability more than anything else

Charles Green has been quick to give his side of events on the Gers website and taken at face value he is quite clear and plain speaking

I can't remember an owner being as open and quick to answer before and I for one am willing to hear him out

It's kind of understandable why we are cautious and suspicious but some of the stuff being posted is absolutely ridiculous

it's hearsay, jumping to conclusions, moving the truth to suit the agenda topped with lashings of tabloid gash

We've been wanting an overhaul of the club for years, now we're getting it and all that's being posted is people moaning about it

Sadly what you say is true m8, but your answer could kill the club, a rock and a hard place i'm afraid, we can't take the chance of denying capitol, bomber was told of the outcome that would invite, tommyblue

Where are the deeds, Charlie, show the deeds, that will quash any doubt about who owns the assets, the fact that Charlie does not produce the deeds proves that there are doubts!

Super Ally will get the truth he promised us, and Ally says Greens ok, like he did when we questioned Whytes intentions and methods, (what has happened to McCoist?!?!)

An all out boycott is the only way in my opinion, we must show them that we hold the real power, they cannot operate without our money, our collective opinion should be reflected on and off the pitch in both honesty and clarity at boardroom level, and a much higher standard on the pitch. If you are happy with the way things are then just carry on handing over your cash, but if you really want change, the only thing Green and co listen to is falling income.

One thing is for sure, Charles Green has been dishonest with fans.

CG, Rangers FC, no part of it and none of the assets will ever fall into Whyte's hands. If I have to I will stand at the front door and deny him entry.

Yeh right like you offered the former manager of Sheffield outside and he called your bluff, you and Whyte are con men and the Bears deserve better than this.

Celtic Fan

What worries me about Green is the fact that he has brought a troubleshooter into the club to try and cut losses - this guy doesn't care about the long serving servants who have stood by the club even though they lost money in the admin/liquidation and continued to stand by the club. The troubleshooter has already gotten rid of many and in the following weeks more meetings to take place. Rangers diehards who would do anything for the club face losing their jobs!

Rangers til I die what a sad lot u all r, we were dead last year what's the problem, most clubs are run the same way why was there not any big money Rangers men emptying there pockets to save us as long as we r still running & Playing WATP

Chuckie calling Craigie a fantasist, you couldn't make this comedy up. As the saying goes "takes one to know one"!

Green has talked so much guff its hardly any wonder everything he says has a pinch of salt with it.

Green talks a great game, he tells everyone things before they happen. Going on the facts from the share issue to half term results. Rangers have "22" million from a share issue, however everything included they are running at 1m a month lost. That's 8 million to the start of next season!? On top of that you need new players and even free transfers need wages.

Shares go up and down however I think green won't brass neck it again for another share issue again, ally is on a rolling contract so he could go at the end of the season with no pay off but anew manger will want change which overall costs money. semthing that (until the accoutns come out) looks very tight.

Lenny

This is now getting ridiculous, I am a Celtic fan and must admit I did 'enjoy' the goings on at Ibrox over the last 18 months but enough is enough. the fans are the only ones who will suffer and despite our differences we are ALL football fans and the whole of Scotland should have a look at what is going on as I feel this could prove to be the beginning of the end for full time professional football in this country. The rangers fans have been used by these two charlatans and there must be something done about this. the fans have backed their team through season tickets and the share issue and I worry they will have no club to follow if this continues.

Mbhoy

@2 who knocked you down, was that not Murry and Whyte, then Charlie lead's you into liquidation with a kid on c. v. a. , wake up man everyone know's who put Rangers were they are, only tadger's like you, are following blindly
Tam

06 Apr 2013 18:01:27
green- whyte - yellow - blue purple who cares what colour the owners are. We have cash in the bank, we have sponsors and backers. let's get on with playing and supporting football and let all there BIG SHOTS merge into the background and fight amongst themselves in the playground.

We've just won stage 1 of our comeback. C'mon let's support stage 2 now.

You have cash in the bank which is covering £2.4m a month losses and just secured sponsors of a lesser value than your current ones upon your entry to "stage 2". And it is very important as to "what colour" your owner is, as it may very well depend on The Rangers even getting to stage 2.

G93

Foolish. It's the cash in the bank they are after. Losses of £1m per month, sackings and cost cutting. Why? If there's money in the bank you might think a Physio is important.

I see where you're coming from but one of the problems is that Puma and Sports Direct will be raging that this story has come out, they will be furious at Green saying he lied to Whyte to shaft him, the talk of Russian prostitutes & the fact that he apparently still hasn't sent Whyte's £137, 500 back to him.

Supporters have to keep up with developments like these so our club doesn't get shafted for a third time. We just can't ignore this and hope for the best. That only makes another disaster more likely.

We won't have a penny in the bank if Whytes involved sorry mate, that will be game set match I think!

Cash in whose bank. there is £137,000 in just one account and they want to hand that back, when reporting £1m loss per month?

whtye paid money to save rangers assets. and paid more then green did. ?

Yes we have won stage one, but how on earth can we look forward to the next stage with all that's been happening over the past few days.
There is something seriously wrong within in ibrox just now, and we the fans are being kept in the dark as is the manager it would appear. i'm not convinced there is any money in the bank, well not as much as they would have us believe, and for sponsors and backers who are they as no amount of cash has been revealed. Ijust don't believe a word any of them say anymore, i'm sorry but I think some serious problems lie ahead for us, hope i'm wrong but I doubt it very much. jimbo.

@3 Russian Prostitutes, is that more folk that Green & Whyte have shafted.

@7 don't joke. blue pitch holdings could be russian gangsters. !

Greens joke is very damaging to whyte if even a snif of truth in it. why joke on something this serious he need to race back from europe to make press releases?

06 Apr 2013 17:10:10
Ally knew all along about Green and Whyte, didn't say anything as he wanted the mangers job. He can't be sacked until everything comes out in the open which won't be for a while. Neil Murray has had to sign a confidentially agreement and will keep his salary as a consultant. or to keep quiet.

06 Apr 2013 15:24:49
Hi ed. is it not law that any taped discussions concerning whyte and green ect have to both parties agreement before they are admissible in a court of law. IE secret taping isn't legal?

Blueice {The Ed039's Note - It would be for a court to decide if the tape was admissable in court, both sides would be able to put forward their argument, but no court in the land is going to take Whyte's side in this)

Did Green not say he was aware of the meeting being taped? I'm sure in the initial story I read this.

I think the taped evidence validity in court may depend on what other proof Whyte shows up with. I've listened to the recordings its all damning stuff. goni be real interesting how green deals with it, either way tough month or so coming up folks!

Green already admitted that he knew Whyte might tape their conversation but he went ahead with it anyway, don't know how that would affect it. As for no court in the land taking Whytes side, the courts can only enforce the law and if there is any kind of contract the court verbal or written Whyte could win.

What about the documents the Daily record say they have seen. They would be sued in spades by the clubs lawyers if they just made it up.

06 Apr 2013 16:40:39
But green said he was fully aware that whyte taped everything

In the uk it is illegal to record a phonecall if you intend to disclose it to a third party. It isn't illegal to record if it is for "personal use".

Why hit the disagree button? Secret taping is the same as bugging someone illegal. And as for whyte didn't he lose a case when the judge basically said you couldn't believe a word he said.

Blueice

06 Apr 2013 17:39:00
Blueice, e didn't secretly tape it. Green has said he knew whyte taped everything before he met with him

@7. He is not lying though, it's all on the tape. "you are Rangers" and "we are your reps" It's damning stuff mate.

"Some judges take a pragmatic approach that if the information is already disclosed and it is highly relevant, then it will be admitted. "

Disclosed and highly relevant? Sounds like Google eye's secret tapes. Also to be taken into consideration is the fact Green has claimed he knew he was being recorded by Whyte.

Ok green knew whyte would be taping meeting, but if whyte hasn't go permission from green (on the tape)then it's still illegal.

Blueice

A court will decide on the points of law, not anyone's reputations, it is wrong to say no court will take Whyte's side. All courts will decide on evidence only. As of tapped conversations I think they are are allowed in court if both parties new they were being taped, don't know if this was the case though

06 Apr 2013 22:38:23
So Blueice you don't actually know what you are talking about here do you? If Green has said he knew the conversation was being taped he doesn't need to give any permission on the tape. Give your head a shake mate.

13) have a good nights sleep then read my post again and give yourself a good shake. Again if cw didn't obtain permission for the meeting to be taped then it is illegal.

Blueice

Blueice, if this tape can't be used because green didn't know it was being recorded, how could green use a tape that sandaza didn't know was being recorded. shammy

06 Apr 2013 13:14:12
ED- what do you think about signing some spanish boys? levante players maybe there quality and hard workers? {The Ed039's Note - I think that the scouting network needs to stretch and needs to uncover some good, honest players who wouldnt require a kings ransom to sign)

06 Apr 2013 12:10:04
Does Ally really think anybody is going to believe his I did not know rubbish? Does any fan think he would not have asked John Brown what the dirt was? The two men are friends, and Rangers men, I would think it was the first thing Ally would have done. I'm sure by now we have heard the Neil Murray rumours. The Malcolm Murray row with Green. The fact the team at the moment don't have a physio. If Charles Green wants to be rid of whyte, and prove to the fans he is truthful, Just show the deeds Charles. that's all it will take. You have admitted lying to gain shares how many more lies are there.

"Assuming jurisdiction is held to be in Scotland (and I do not see why it would not) a court will confirm to Mr Green that a verbal contract is held to be as binding in Scotland as a contract established in written form. "

verbal contracts. green loose with talk, but talk it binding in scotland. !

Good post OP. serious questions needing asked across the board especially of CG but he is good at politician type answers. Something new that puzzles me is news that Phil Yeates position as physio has been made redundant within a restructuring program; therefore gers can't replace him so how is the role going to be performed in the future?

Ally really has to be very careful on how he handles this. And how can he believe whatever Green tells him, the man is a proven liar and admits he lies to get what he wants.

Do the wrong thing Ally and your legendary status is in jeopardy.

Lets be rational about this. White takes over RFC. He lies to Murray the manager the players the SFA THE SPL the Inland revenue and his kids. Now we are to believe him
He should be on the Kevins Bridges show called AYE RIGHT.

Ally already fallen into trap. so he talks to green and does not like answers - what can he do (when owns 5%)??

ally should have said I am going into meeting to see deeds and see who owns rest of ibrox as I own 5%.

Whyte should be called billy liar

06 Apr 2013 10:54:54
GREEN and WHYTE says it all, you could not make it up, even a hollywood movie wouldn't come up with that, Craig Whyte is a Celtic fan has been all his life and wants a puppet to be the face for the media guess what his name is Green, GREEN and WHYTE, that is no coincidence

OP You are under stress ok but this is just ridiculous now. You can't blame Celtic for everything and certainly not this mess. It's all of your own making and the Rangers minded men (as you call them) who have led the club into this state. Open your eyes. You must be having a laugh with us.

Never read so much nonsense in my life OP.

Somebody call an ambulance. whyte has secretly been a celtic fan all his life until he could meet somebody called green and destroy rangers?

Even a comedy writer couldn't make that one up.

I wonder what hard evidence the OP has for this allegation?

06 Apr 2013 10:13:04
While I'm far from Charles Green's biggest fan I've been reading quite a few things on here that are just grasping at straws

He did not say it was not title 55, what he said was

“It is a triumph which, in all honesty, cannot be held up beside the 54 top-flight championships but it is a triumph nonetheless"

It's the 3rd division title, of course it can't be held up beside the top flight title, that does not make it any less a title or any less a triumph

a triumph that he calls "the first milestone on the road back to full recovery. "

fair enough if you are calling him out on things he has actually said but when it comes to twisting words I think he's getting a bit of a raw deal

Totally agree with OP. It's obvious that quite a few don't want Gers to boast about 55 and counting.

Regardless of anything else we have finished top of our league, whatever league that may be, 55 times

that much is true no matter how many dislikes this post gets

and that's really all that matters

Everyone knows its 55 Celtic fans will have to get used to it

@3: apart from Green and many Rangers fans who say it's not. It also won't be counted by UEFA etc.

The overall or combined total is 55. Celtic fans should concede that?

@3 Green never once say it wasn't 55. You've twisted it. 55 is here to stay.

@5. celtic fans don't even have div 3 on their radar, never mind concede it as a title. the only title we are interested in is champions of scotland. certainly not the 4th ranking division. it is also less worthy than what morton/thistle and qos have won. if its so good, why not go for the 12-12-18 and get another one? youll be equal with alloa and livvy then. that will shake the world.

06 Apr 2013 09:17:20
Green vs Whyte:

So Whyte paid £137,000 or 25% of the non-refundable deposit to buy assets from D&P. Fact!

Whyte was part of Rangers 5588 to buy rfc assets and stuff creditors - Fact!

Green had to disclose owners to SFA and Whyte not allowed to be major owner - Fact!

Green talks good talk, for someone with £5m of fans money in bank, and £17m of investors for assets which seem in doubt. (ibrox).

Best con in world is sell an asset you don't own (ibrox) to someone (fans/investors) who think you do own it.

Whyte has tape of green agreeing terms for a contract.

Green says he never signed it.

But in scotland - verbal contracts have jurisdiction. So if whyte hands over 25% of money to have exclusive rights from D&P then Whyte owns assets at that point.

If green then tries to stuff whyte after this - WHYTE has a valid claim.

WHO IS BEHIND GREEN?

who now owns the real bits of RFC?

what do fans own if anything in the share float?

Green only paid £50,000 for assets, so whyte stake is bigger. hence claim for majority stake.

simples.

@1; The fans own shares in The Rangers International Football Club. That is all. So in effect they own nothing. Shares in football clubs are from the heart not the wallet and green knew this

06 Apr 2013 08:32:10
green has got one hell of a job on to persuade the fans to renew season tickets after whyte has crawled out the woodwork again what player will also want to join us when they don't even no who the owners are this has been coming for a few months now as every thing green says doesn't add up murray park ment to be renamed stadium renamed was looking at players from euro championship dallas cowboys 25 year contract for mccoist said we would never run at a loss again yet losing a million a month all lies from green murray park one is real strange as that was at start season as still no name change maybe can't change name cause doesn't own it green has only deliverd 3 things kept our club alive 2 deliverd a share issue ad raised millions from fans witch am afraid we will not see peny spent on team 3 has payed over the odds on players wages charles has had his bluf has called now prove to the fans once and for all that u own all assets and put whyte in his place but I have ma doubts lies need to stop actions speak louder than words so far not anuf actions and transparenty with fans

Op that was probebly reason whyte came out with this rubbish he knows he's been fecked and is now trying to get his own back its pure revenge the guy is a rubbishter