Rangers Banter Archive September 05 2014

 

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05 Sep 2014 22:21:30
The club statement is an absolute joke, but certainly not funny. Time to hand over the keys and vacate the premises, boys. At a time when credibility is essential, there heads are stuck in the sand. If they cannot man up and take some action, we are well and truly effed. Our only hope is that Ashley displays some potential leadership to protect his interests.

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Ashley can't underwrite share issue because if none sell he would have to buy them, that's what underwrite means. Your not allowed to own more than 10% of clubs in 2 differing legues incase there becomes a clash of interst

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The lawyers for rangers said rangers had two people ready to invest in rangers I hope its true or its admin n2

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06 Sep 2014 08:51:34
@2. I wonder who the two are? If it is existing shareholders they will be pleading with them to take up their offer allowance.

If it is NEW investors, they won't be able to invest unless the current investors give the board the power to disapply pre-emption rights.

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Why on earth did Easdale do that interview days before the court case? Surely he must have known that telling the press just how bad the finances were would weaken the clubs case against Ahmed?

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06 Sep 2014 09:56:00
Am I the only one who thinks there's something a bit fishy going on with Ahmed succeeding in getting the money frozen just when we are at another cash crisis and he failed on two previous occasions?

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06 Sep 2014 10:13:07
International call ups preventing us playing today, it's disappointing, I was looking forward to that.

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@5:Nothing fishy, just you not understanding the situation. The fact that the club is running on fumes this time around is why the request was granted. On the previous occassions the judge was not convinced that the club would not be in a position to pay up if Ahmad wins. This time the judge was convinced. If the financial position had been the same as it was on the previous occassions, the bid would have failed again.

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06 Sep 2014 12:44:50
@6. Probably just as well. We probably couldn't afford to fill the bus with diesel.

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06 Sep 2014 14:23:02
Seems the best thing to do to raise cash would be some deal involving Murray Park, just cash in on it unless either of the investors they are talking to come on board.

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06 Sep 2014 15:40:23
STYAB: You say I don't understand the situation, but if the judge deems we can't pay up, then wouldn't it have made more sense to have awarded it to Ahmed when we were financially stronger and could pay it.

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{Ed039's Note - You are not understanding at all Cromjo, Ahmed has not been awarded anything yet, as a matter of fact his case hasnt even been heard yet, all he has done is have the money set aside in case he is successful)

06 Sep 2014 17:31:17
Maybe am not totally understanding but it still amounts to the same thing if there is the chance of the money being paid at a later date.

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N3 steddy the way it was put is that current shareholders won't put up the 4 million then other shareholders will call for an egm thus allowing new shareholders to invest

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Ok, I understand he hadn't been awarded the money yet but r u then saying money that we don't have has been ringfenced for him at a future date?

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Cromjo let me try to explainr rangers had one and a half million in there bank account ammed is suing rangers the judge has blocked rangers from using 600thousand of there own money in case ammed wins his case if ammed loses rangers can then use the 600thousand for themselfs

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05 Sep 2014 20:37:36
khan has money frozen where do we go from here that leaves them with 650k does not even pay half wages never mind anything else me thinks there is trouble ahead

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Just more money grabbers milking it ):

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Aye wull61, I think thing will hit home now to those that didn't see this coming.

We've been pulled from pillar to post, for too long. I don't know if the founations can handle it much more.

Pure gutted feeling today about this.

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05 Sep 2014 15:12:12
Given the details of the stadium naming rights and merchandise deal coming to our attention, we should look at the positives. Ashley is obviously in pole position to rule the roost. It is in his best interest to ensure that we are a successful club at the top table, to maximise the sale of all the club's merchandise.
He should be backed by all those interested in our club's survival. He has most of the aces at present and will get round the cross border, 2 club rule and has the possibility to enable us to progress. He is an astute business man and DK etc. should back him and get rid of the shysters once and forever.

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Op) I agree with you totally mate, I asked the question on here last week why we're we so sceptical of the man that in the daily rebel Pole on who we would like running our great club he poled only 8% the same amount as would keep the current regime, if we can't have a fan owned club why not M A he certainly knows how to run a business and although he's not that we'll liked at Newcastle they are a well run and financed club and with a personal fortune reputed to be 1. 2b why not embrace the man if he was serious about taking the reigns.

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If the issue of the naming rights are true, I'd reckon that clauses such as should the stadium be renamed then further revenue would be awarded. I can only imagine that the right to rename the stadium is a decision that can only be made by Ashley but would be subject go further price negotiation.

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Aye hopeful but what other we snippets lie out there waiting to bite?

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STU2312. I think you will find that no such clause exists. Ashley was sold the naming rights for a pound as an incentive from green to invest in the IPO to make it look and be more profitable at the time. I feel Ashley can rename the stadium anytime he wants to and for no extra negotiation. why would he pay £1 2 years ago if it was going to cost him more money later on. well and truly shafted by Green (Fans not Ashley)

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06 Sep 2014 13:55:13
Geordie fan in peace, as much as I would want Ashley to buy Rangers and sell Newcastle, I would have to say be careful what you wish for as he has destroyed the passion and hopes from our fans. If he does by your club, he will appoint someone like Pardew, invest small amounts of money and will plaster sports direct on to everything, he is NOT a football man but a ruthless business man who will bleed the soul out of your club

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Op we wouldn't be getting rid of charlieboy as him and ahley are a package imho

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Jimmy 1976 cheers for that mate a few bears have said much the same further down the page eh but we were told all about charlieboy [green] some peole listened some never now we are finding out the truth I wonder if people will take heed this time [surely they will]again cheers pal

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09 Sep 2014 15:14:24
Still holding out for another billionaire to ride to the rescue. IF and it is a very big IF Mike Ashley becomes more involved at Rangers then it will be to make money not out of love for the club. SDM invested millions because he loved the glamour of it all, Ashley inst interested in that otherwise he would be pushing Newcastle. The new rights in the EPL mean that NUFC are getting a lot more money than Rangers would earn even if the made Champions League group stages so the chance to make a quick buck isn't there either. The only way Rangers will get out of this mess is by cutting costs and that means getting rid of players on thousands of pounds every week and replacing them with young players like Hearts have done but that doesn't fit the billionaire to the rescue model that some fans crave for!

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Allymac you should have said it doesn't fit the mamager also

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#9 bang on mate. He had the chance to write himself into Rangers history as the man who brought the club back and he has tarnished it with poor decision making.

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Allymac no doubt super knew he never he didn't have the managerial skill to coach the youngsters so he went for the easier option with no regard for the club or the concequencies it would bring upon rangers fc

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05 Sep 2014 13:03:41
Given the gravity of the club's situation, I am surprised that none of our wealthier and well-connected fans in the City have tried to finesse a deal between Ashley and King. Two disparate personalities, for sure, different visions certainly, but similar entrepreneurial gifts and eyes for a great opportunity. They have more to gain than lose by joining forces. Challenge would be merging two massive egos, but both could surely be tempted by the prize of a Rangers rebirth in Scotland and Europe, the latter at the core of Ashley's interest. If Easedale, Wallace or even Letham could pull this off, we would be eternally in their debt. The alternative of more destructive in-fighting is very bleak and probably not survivable/

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You say that Ashley's interest is Europe, surely if that is what he wanted then he would make more by getting Newcastle there than he would from Rangers. Bigger league, more money, better sponsorship, bigger stadium, higher ticket prices. simple economics. Also why would MA get into bed with DK, that would not do his profile any favours, don't forget DK is a convicted fraudster and MA will not want that to be associated with him in any form and neither will his shareholders.

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05 Sep 2014 12:20:35
Ed please edit this as u find appropriate. to all the fans being adverse to ashley he could work for us . apart from renaming deal. I think u all should have a read at our former captains column in a daily newspaper makes a lot of sense to me.
r. f

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R. f: I read the column and I agree, it could work for us.

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Rf I've gave up with you and your posts have you ever tried talking to a wall ime sure you will be pleased to know I will not be posting in response to your posts as its a complete waste of time eh

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05 Sep 2014 11:04:53
I sit here in disbelief about everyone shouting ibrox should be renamed it makes me laugh some of the biggest clubs all over the world do and make great money from it. Look at man city and arsenal both renamed there stadium and there was no uprour I think let's do as if there is a financial gain to be had we may aswell get it. There is talk of dave king being contacted before it's to late. Dave king has should all he is hot air he has no intention in investing because if he wanted to he would have there is share been made avaliable so I would be glad he never got involved again because he was involved around the we Murray sold the us down the river to Whyte. I hear people shouting about Ashley and how the Newcastle fans don't like him I think he is what make Newcastle good they can spend £20 million in the transfer market they have no debt because if him and they challenge well and are never in trouble in the premier league. We need something new and Ashley is a great business man who achieves success at every thing he does I am sure if you ask the sports direct staff they will tell you the love him

Am sure people will have a different point of view but this is mine

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I think if you ask his staff for their opinion it would depend on who was there, the way they answered.
Here an interesting fact about Mr Ashley's strategy in owning NFC and his current loan to them?
You know that the £129m is not a proper loan, as it is the morgage money owed to improve and re-build the ground. Please clear this up in your next article.
+ £263m was the full purchase price for the club
+ £133m paid in cash to the Halls and Shepherd, ex owners
+ The remaining £130m is the morgage and transfer money owed to the bank.
+ The money owed to the bank was transferred to Sports Direct.

So this money was never a loan and has always been part of the purchase price, which will become part of the selling price, when he finds a buyer. He has never lent money to the club.

So he gives out nothing and brings it HEAPS. remind you of anyone. ? who invited him to take up shares and lucrative contracts at Rangers? Leopards can't change their spots. and we have a LEAP of LEOPARDS AT Ibrox unfortunatly.
Sorry ed if I have got the group name of leopards wrong.?

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@ op newcastle owe money to ashley I think that's a stumbling block for people wanting to buy them also as for the sports direct workers that's full time will like ashley for the extra money they i'm sure the ones on zero hour contracts don't feel the same

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Have you been asleep the last few days?

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05 Sep 2014 13:48:06
OP do you mean the 20,000 sports direct staff who are all on zero hours contracts? Yeah i'm sure they all love mike ashley. Sounds like a real people person. I'm sure all the staff at ibrox are delighted at the prospect that he might become their employer.

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He hasn't been given the shops in the deal has he? a in he now owns them?? even our board would not be that stupid?/ would they.?

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05 Sep 2014 19:54:37
@5. Sports Direct have the right to purchase Rangers share of Rangers Retail for, as I recall, an amount equal to the previous years profits. I would suggest that with the recent transfer of staff, that option has been exercised. No more money for RIFC/TRFC from Rangers Retail, if that is the case.

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05 Sep 2014 10:26:10
Before I read anymore hysteria on here, please remember Mike Ashley for all his faults is a legitmate buisnessman. He has no interest in the pennys shirt sales bring. I believe he has long term plans for the club and we should'nt do what we did with Bill Miller when he wanted to by Rangers and start a hate campaign and share of what would be a powerful real billionaire.

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05 Sep 2014 12:35:31
Absolutely spot on, I really hope that the people that treated Bill Miller and his like the way they did are totally ashamed with what it brought us. People got carried away with the old ''we are Rangers people so we should run the club '' bs from the likes of the blue knights regardless of the fact we are not putting our hands in our pockets. Now we have the likes of the UOF, who somehow have newspapers believing they have some divine right to speak for Rangers fans doing the same thing to anyone other than themselves and Dave King.

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We will never know what bill miller would have brought. but the people who protested against him as far as I could see had no real grounds to. and compared to what we have had since, I agree, they should hold there heads in shame, for there behaviour, and share responsibility with what has occured since

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05 Sep 2014 20:19:50
Re 2,you are right no one knows what he would have given us, but the one thing we do know is that it would not have been as bad as what we were landed with, I agree certain people should hold their heads in shame, I include some SO CALLED INVESTORS who blinkered the punters, but unfortunately we still seem to have a certain element that believe unless you claim your blood runs blue you have no right to be part of this great club, well all I can say is that all we have had from these ''true Rangers men'' is bs and no cash.

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05 Sep 2014 07:53:11
Coming from Newcastle I hear a lot about how unpopular ashley is down here bur for the last 18 months I have been told the closer Rangers ger to the top flight the more he will become noticed and this seems to be the case I for one don't view ashley as negstive for rangers he knows newcastle are never going to be champions league material while rangers given time will be and that's why his interest is increasing but will do do over the next 6 months

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OP, I'm no football finance expert, but I would imagine there is more money to be made in English football without Champions League football than there is in Scottish football with Champions League football.
To quote northbear below; "Quite simply there is nowhere near enough money in football in Scotland to conduct business the way our club has for as long as I remember".
I have to agree with that assessment. There is more money in the English second tier than there is in the whole of Scottish football, I would imagine.
Would Ashley seriously give up all that Sky money thrown at his English club for the money available in Scotland, just for the possibility of a few million from a Champions League run, given that for the foreseeable future several qualifying rounds mean that money is not guaranteed?
I think all you who believe Ashley will sell United and come riding to the rescue for the kind of money available to a club in Scotland are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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05 Sep 2014 15:17:26
Hi STYAB, I get your point. Although there may be mor emoney in football down south. Owning a team and branding sports direct on champions league games raises awareness to his brand. Look at Intersport they became a european brand retailer and shirt sponsers for marsielle, if Mike Ashley want to fund our path to glory in return for him to us to plug his other business I am fine with that that's mutual and sounds like a good deal. Ibrox, sports direct arena. It will still be Ibrox to the fans, the media will also still refer to it as Ibrox. I just want our club run properly I am not a snob about naming rights. I bumped into Andy Cameron yesterday in Royal Exchange sqaure out promoting the No campaign he has to be carefully what he says because he still does work for the club but I got the impression he felt the same way. I would rather be a sports direct branded club run properly with security than what we have now or no Rangers.

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