Rangers Banter Archive September 05 2011

 

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05 Sep 2011 22:56:58
Went to see Angola v Uganda yesterday, best man on the park 28 yr old attacking midfielder called Amaro, he would easily make it in the SPL and would be available for around 500k. How many more like him are there in Africa? probably plenty just need to be found
Only realised after the game that Uganda manager was an ex ranger Bobby Williamson

JG

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You went to see ugandaVangola WHIT..

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African nations cup qualifier, game was played in luanda in front of 49999 angolans and 1 scotsman, well 2 if you count bobby as well

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05 Sep 2011 21:49:13
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05 Sep 2011 22:00:31
Are Rangers struggling to sell old firm tickets? Got an email today asking if I want a second ticket for it, don't remember that happening before.

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Take it and i will give you a good price for it, coming home for the game

JG

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Ye I got that email as well asking if I wanted another ticket even though I already have my season ticket.

GovanFR

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Must be plenty to go round even category ''F'' are getting 7 tickets and at £42.00 per ticket this doesn't suprise me
around £26.00 for other matches?

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05 Sep 2011 20:46:40
does anyone no if makay will be fit and ready to play on saturday against dundee utd??

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He was supposed to be back for Saturday mate. Think he was flying straight to Glasgow from Saudi Arabia where Oz are playing mid-week. Hopefully he comes through the Oz game without any knocks and we'll get a wee look at him at some stage on Saturday.

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05 Sep 2011 19:25:32
guys seen the advert on this page for new Boss

a replacement for Ally, the first manager at London Rangers or he opening a branch at the new Ibrox Village

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Go away and never come back London Rangers .... Geez peace!

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05 Sep 2011 19:22:26
Do Rangers fans honestly believe that we would go under because of the tax issue.I am sure there are people waiting in the wings who would love to be part of a great football institution.When Sir David Murray,sold the club,he had more offers,and sold to the best offer for himself.I think now more financially astute men would buy the club once all the tax issues are resolved,which they will. In conclusion,no panic,get behind the team,and win another title,for the greatest football club in scotland.

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Yep join a great football institution and wave good by to 45 m maybe you should try Duncan Bannantyyne and his mates sounds like a great deal for a Dragon

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If the tax bill ''is'' as big as 40 odd million, then Rangers will immediately go into administration, then who knows what will happen after that.....no iff's no but's, if that is the bill (and i can't see it being that) Someone like Brian Jackson will be brought in right away, then all the assetts will be looked at and so on....

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SDM sold to the best offer for himself? A pound? That was the best offer?

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05 Sep 2011 19:20:25
seems strange there s an advert for new Boss is Ally aware?? ....... or they looking for new guy at London Rangers already

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05 Sep 2011 19:10:15
Just wanted to say I hope all you rangers fans will enter into the spirit of things, and bring a beachball on sunday 18 September LOL Timalloy

While Whytey's in Pain
We'll be back in Spain

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Ur patter is bad timalloy i actual pity u with that bad patter u must still be a virgin the only thing that matters is we are the CHAMPIONS an gona make it 4 in a row u wont win a game in europe


T-Bear

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Just hope you mind where your passport is been a while since you needed it. ps please go away.

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Naw, I am here to STAY hail hail Timalloy

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This guy wont have a passport. You have to fill in an application form which means he would likely fail at Q2. Please go and do something useful

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I AM doing something usefeul, brightening up your sad, little rangers lifes. hail hail PS a wee topical tale
Inland Revenue motto is if we have brightened up someone's day today, then we have F.....G FAILED Timalloy
PPS yes my passport will be put to good use when I go to madrid

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Look timalloy as much as you'd love to be one of us it aint going to happen .Please go away now we dont want you. ps do you look as bad as you sound ? LARKYELLIS

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Timalloy here a thing for you
atletico Madrid 12 Celtic 0
rennes 8 Celtic 0
udinese 8 Celtic 0
have a nice day a hope you get your passport it will be nice to see you spend your money going to see Madrid humping Celtic have a good day hope you enjoy yourself you can come on here anytime you want mate because wee know your a bluenose mate its just your maw and da were probably Celtic fans but you always wanted to admit to them who was in your heart and that is rangers but don't worry wee will help you see the light at the end of the tunnel don't you worry mate just take it one day at a time and you will feel better at end of season when were lifting our 4 league title in a row a hope you feel much better now

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Your a genius, better get down the bookies muppet!

Hail Hail Tim

GIRFRY

DazzaBhoy

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05 Sep 2011 18:56:03
Awryt lads just want to say I'm a little. Dissapointed in some of the supporters of this club constantly slating the guy who saved us and super ally, I'm in the army with a lot of english boys who don't know to much about rangers n celtic etc and I'm forever telling them aboot the passion from our fans and that its second to none and we will back our managers up to death and even if we don't have the best side we grind results out because of the 12th man from the fans and the determination of our team .. Yes mccoist has put us out of europe but he will learn from it give the guy a chance he will come good he loves rangers more than most would, it is like a fan managing our club .. This is not to everyone just a small minority who are never happy , I personally will support and continue support our team no matter where I am , I remember in afghanistan in 2008 watchin us get beat in the uefa cup final and me and 20 other scottish boys sitting there crying where we lost

Just my opinion boys we are glasgow rangers ... Win lose or draw I'm rangers till I die

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Well said. Just the type of motivation that we need. Ger4life

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Brilliant there mate spot on

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Well said bud and well done for being out there fighting for your country. W.A.T.P Rangers til i die!

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Dont sion play in Switzerland ? and dont you need your passport to go there?fab1

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Well said mate rangers till i die were gonna hammer the manky mob and good on you for fighting for your country really admire that mate a was thinking about going in to the army last year but never done it

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05 Sep 2011 18:53:49
F taxes, F not having money for players, F everything financially. We love Rangers, we are the most successful Scottish club by a long shot, our achievements and 54 titles (115 trophies) will be matched by no Scottish club. Simples.

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Yes all now tainted by your tax scandals, all the trophies you won during this period, should be deleted from the record books. But even without that happening, you will never equal the famous GLASGOW CELTIC IN WINNING THE EUROPEAN CUP hail hail Timalloy

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Yous (celtic fans)always go on about the English bumping their gums about winning the World Cup in 1966. At every tournament but yous (Celtic fans) are worse. Give it a rest we all know what happened in 1967. Don't make me laugh strip us of every trophy you wish. I've said this before timalloy It will all come back and bite you on the bum.
We Are The People.
In Ally We Trust.
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05 Sep 2011 18:49:34
Why is everyone talking about Craig Whyte as if all this is his fault !
Are Rangers the only football club in the UK who are having such problems with tax ?

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It seems so buddy

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05 Sep 2011 18:40:19
I've noticed more than a few Septic fans on here giving it the big yin saying they are going to win this and that! Typical Septic fans! Always telling us what they are going to do then FAILING to deliver! Your mouths should stop writing cheques your players can't cash!

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Followfollow (where did your 81 go?) Ha ha, unfortunate eulogy about cheques, as Mr whyte has an aversion to writing them. LOL Timalloy

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I would not talk about writing cheques if i was you.

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The Smeltic fans have been telling us the last three years that they were gona win the league! How many times out they three years did they manage it? Yet still we get people on making silly predictions about trebles and all the rest of it! Lets wait and see before we start gloating ffs!

ps enjoy getting your a***s felt in the Europa league! I know i'll enjoy watching!

Fail Fail

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Well at least we will enjoy the money we will make, after tax that is.

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That is nothing to do with me timalloy lol
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When I'm posting about Celtic I don't disrespect their name by posting septic, smeltic, I post the proper name. I'm all for banter but I don't post stuff like that timalloy.
We Are The People.
In Ally We Trust.
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How will you enjoy the money? Is Peter Lawwell going to buy a new joke book? Because it certainly won't be for players or trophy polish!

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05 Sep 2011 17:10:31
Who genarly believes that we will win 4 in a row?

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I think we can cause the tims are rubbish but not cause we are good, the the team we have can beat any team in the spl but we shouldnt play 4-5-1 against any team in spl and i've a feeling ally will, these are the games we are more likely to lose

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Is that the same Toms who have lost 2 of the last 8 old firm games since Lennon took over as manager.

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I think Septic have better options in their squad tbh but our best against their best i reckon we are slightly better. If Jela gets injured we are proper struggling for options up top! I think it will be neck and neck come the turn of the year and it might come down to who's more active in the January window. I reckon come January we are going to be screaming out for a striker. Matt Mckay might provide a much needed spark in midfield we'll just have to see how he settles in.

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Just what I wanted to hear a bit of positivity in our family WATP. Ger4life

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So no-one then!
In Lenny we trust!
Hail Hail

DazzaBhoy

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05 Sep 2011 17:09:41
Latest transfer news!! The Mugs in Rangers trophy room will now be displayed at Cash Convertors in Renfield Street, Glasgow.

Whyte is absolutely delighted, raising £2.50 towards pending £30MILLION, YES THATS RIGHT £30MILLION TAX BILL.

Treble is coming home to Parkhead

Hail! Hail!

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The treble is coming home? When was the last time u win 2 cups never mind 3? Away back to the runners up page, It must be sad that ur only hope of winning something is if ur rivals go bankrupt, "nd best again cause we are winners and use are losers always have been always will be

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Is that the same treble that went to the midden for the last three years. Oops sorry I made a mistake, only 1 trophy in the last three years at breeze block city. Remember no money for years, still not slot of money this year, but it'll be the same result once again.

4in a row

EASY EASY EASY!

Haw

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No money for years? lets get real here your wage bill is on par with celtic ,and the money you spent on transfers over the last 3 seasons, is actually more than celtic when you take into account transfer money made (9 millon mcgeady,3 millon boruc...ect) look at the facts not the ****e your pet reporters at the record and the sun scribble.

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05 Sep 2011 15:23:47
ed how does nobody ever hear anything about Ellis a thought he bought 25 percent shares but yet wee never hear from him it is strange don't you think so {Ed001's Note - it is normal in business, most corporations have cloudy ownership.}

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05 Sep 2011 16:09:15
whyte is right why pay the fine? fight it do everything you can to get the fine reduced then pay it up in little installments! why waste money you could need later. Don't spend what you don't have , learn from Murrays mistakes in getting our great club into the mess in the 1st place. Whyte has taken over rangers when lets face it nobody with any sense would, give him a chance to try and this around.

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Becauase if you dont pay it HMRC will just lift it out your account. If you dont have it they will put you into administration and sell your assets to get thier cash. Just pay your taxes!

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Becauase if you dont pay it HMRC will just lift it out your account. If you dont have it they will put you into administration and sell your assets to get thier cash. Just pay your taxes!

re: lol nah m8 ill think ull find they cant just take it out the bank thats steeling even if we owe it the most they can do if stop rangers from using what in the account and take us to court and then take it if the court said so lol maybe u should stop posting bs m8 lol they would just take

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Well if it wasn't for the mess murray made of our great club. We would never have got 9nrow or proby never seen Gazza , laudrup and co so saying it was a mess I say it was worth it growing up a blue nose but everything comes back to haunt you

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Aye jump on the band wagon and blame murray,short memories ,a take it you were all against bringing in the world class players we did

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05 Sep 2011 15:10:57
It is just as well our top striker Jelavic has not hit top form yet,the timmies seem obsessed with him,do i detect a fear? when he does hit top form,say in a fortnight at home to say Celtic,the fears will be realised,and they can concentrate on the runners up spot ,where they usually finish.So,Mr Jelavic,put them to the sword.here we go,for four in a row.

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Congrats mr whyte at least someone fell for it.fab1

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Bobo balde has scored more goals than jellyfish in an old firm games...

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Aye bobo maybe did but jelly has more league winners medals than commons brown kayal and hooper so wheres yer point going ???

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And bobo has more medals than jellyfish so what,fab1

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Is that the same Bobo that hung about his beloved Celtic and bled them dry for wages he was due?? Great man indeed. I remember the mob baying "Bobo's gonna get you!!" as he walloped some poor wee centre half. The embodiement of the famous Celtic ethos.

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05 Sep 2011 14:14:02
If Rangers are hit with a tax bill of say £20-£25m would Craig Whyte let the club go under or would it not be possible for him to sell say 25-30% of his shares and still hold the majority shareholding (offer the shares to everyone not like the last share issue). He did after all buy the shares for £1 so if he sold off part of his stake he would be able to raise cash to put towards the tax bill. Also if the money is due Rangers can appeal and give themselves around 1 year to raise funds as it would take about this time for it to go back to court.

Final point is that if we do owe the money does it have to be paid in a one off payment or could we pay part (raised through share issue) and then arrange to pay the rest up as part of a payment plan? I think that if HMRC were going to see the club go bust and not receive their full amount they surely they would be willing to come to some arrangement.

The Pilot!

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If Rangers are hit with a tax bill of say £20-£25m? lol
the most it will be is around 4.2 mil maybe u should stop posting bs my friends ppl need to see the long term plan whyte will pay but why pay the full amount when he can get it cut in half or even writen off whytes plan if to get us into the american market witch if we got into cl would have helped along way with that and i also see ibrox getting a name change hope not but its gotta be on the books as a way to get in to the u.s market and for the players we got in and well happy and as for Ortiz dont think he a great player from what i have seen way to defensive for a winger but he spent most of last season at left bk so may givin time he,ll be better
and with the younger player we have coming thro i hoped we only got a few players in so they would get a chance lets face it youths are the way forward for Scottish football
if ranger go into administration celtic would not be long behind they need us much more that they would like to admit they need the cash from the old firms as do we so no matter what ever happen to rangers or celtic its safe to think that they will never be aloud to bust some one will step in b4 that happens the spl is liked at huge company give job to a lot of ppl and if 1 of the big to go then it will collapses that would never be aloud to happen it will be nice to get anothere title
in rangers most difficult years and when celtic were in the same boat in the 90s what did they do ? all leave it at that come on timmy what u got to say to that m8 ?

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05 Sep 2011 14:02:56
That London Rangers thing would work if you scrapped the 'London' aspect of it. If Whyte bought L'Oritent and renamed them Rangers, moved their home ground to Scotland ie. Ibrox. Changed their home kit, crest etc. and at the next transfer window transferred the current Rangers squad to them. So we would essentially just have Rangers but in the English league. Two/three seasons we would be in the Premiership. Not saying it's a good idea, but it is an interesting one, it is a way of getting us in the EPL whether the FA want us or not. If we were hit with a major HMRC fine it may be worth considering.

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Why ? Would you travel all over england to see a English based club ? How long would it take before the history and tradition was totally lost to the English and so, no longer RANGERS FC at all ? A ludicrous proposal and should never be spoken about, let alone ever happen. Rangers 'til I die......................In Scotland !

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Haha complete genious and actually s much more believable than the gash tht some scaremungers have made up lol

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Non starter the english f a need to give you license to play in their league and would withhold if you played the games in scotland and also if the tax makes you bust he would seize ibrox and sell it.fab1

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To the first guy, I clearly said play at Ibrox not in England. The third reponse is right though playing in Scotland may be an issue but you never know they allow matches in Wales so legally I would think they would have to allow them in Scotland. In Rangers went into admin, Whyte could sell Ibrox and Murray Park to the new club, plus all the players. Not saying I want it to happen but it could be an idea in a worst case scenario, a good way of getting to the EPL.

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Yes the welsh clubs were voted in and given a license if there was a legal avenue dont you think the old firm would already have taken it also if you go into admin (dont think it will happen)the tax man would freeze your assets (ibrox,murray park,ect)and sell them to pay off your creditors,so as i said non starter.fab1

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Fab1 they could sell there assets to Leyton Orient.

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He would need to do this before admin as after he would have no say in who bought
what.fab1

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Yea so it is plausible.

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05 Sep 2011 13:57:02
this has never been so true.

The glory of The Rangers lies not in never failing but in returning stronger than ever before. due to the challenges overcome. We learn from our past. We cherish our grand story. Our founder, just young lads, set the standards by which The Rangers exist today; hard work, determination, loyalty and above all else, the inherent desire to make Rangers FC the premier club of this fine country. Our greatest days lie ahead, and nothing can stop this old club from achieving it’s goals when all look forward with the same ambition. March on Rangers, for every day we make history, and a glorious history it is!

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Not for long . you will pay the ultimate price . administration

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The ultimate price? lol

You have an awfully short memory. If it wasn't for Mr McCann, there might not be a Celtic FC to speak of today. Remember? If you don't remember, go and look it up and come back before replying.

Even IF my club were put into administration (and it's still a long long way off yet and requires court rulings), what makes you think that we won't come out the other side smelling the roses? What EXACTLY do you think administration will do to my club? I mean, who would the creditors be and who would get their money first?

The ultimate price would be receivership, my ignorant friend, and I don't think that will EVER happen because we are worth too much.

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05 Sep 2011 13:32:10
Ed I am led to believe Bartley has been sent back and will not return is this the case as I think he has mow been listed in Arsenals under 21 list??

GDog {Ed001's Note - he was listed anyway as an U21. That is just simply a list of the players on their books under that age as they do not have to be registered in the squads.}

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05 Sep 2011 13:26:00
I don't understand why Rangers need to go public about certain things & surely the HMRC shouldn't make things public either ?

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05 Sep 2011 12:56:45
I am a bit bemused with lawell's coments I suppose it just backs up the thoery that they're more bothered about what happens with our club than their own mob , I mean celtic fans should be wondering why anybody from theyr club are making refrence to theyr greatest rivals when their basically not adding much new decent signens in the transfer window either and their stuck with the same nucleus of rubbish that have proved in the past that theyr not up to the task of winnin the most Important domestic piece of silverware( for any timothys out there readin our site at the moment thats the league title )and even though we've got problems I fully expect the title to come home to Ibrox again this year and the snidey comments to keep comin from parkhead ,nothin much changes I suppose
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The planet paranoid dwelling numpty's don't have anything else to raise their pitiful hopes, other than Rangers failing at something, anything. You should not ever be surprised at just how pathetic they are. Rangers is an institution a history and a family, the Dheclans of this world will try any form of deviance to destroy that, which they themselves do not have. It is a juvenile attitude and a complete obsession, bourne out of jealousy, for what you want, but can never have................ 4 in a row

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Your club has a history but not one to be proud off.

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05 Sep 2011 12:46:42
Do any fellow Bears remember Hugh Adams?He warned us all about this 9 years ago and we ignored and ridiculed him for it,just like we have done with the old board now.This is a very sad time for our great club and if we can come out of this at the other end still with a club we should be delighted and start building for a new dawn. WATP.The silence from the boardroom is eerily deafening,why have questions not been answered and especially if all this talk of tax cases are lies where are the legal documents to stop these stories being made up and printed?Because they can't be denied,this is serious lads and needs addressed asap.I am not some 'declan' on here to stir things,I am a 43yr old RANGERS man,through thick and thin,just seems that this is a very thin time.Let's stand together and show that even if we have no money we are still RANGERS and still THE CHAMPIONS 4IAR.

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Shut up

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05 Sep 2011 12:23:33
Rumour has it that Rangers,despite the tax issue,and a unforgiving scottish media,will win a fourth title in a row.Also,Celtic will finish second,beating off a strong Hearts.Enjoy the season,ignore the negative press,remember Whyte wont suffer the fools of the press a la Murray.

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05 Sep 2011 12:04:53
I hope the Rangers fans on here will allow me to mention that today is the 80th anniversary of John Thomson, Glasgow Celtic goalkeeper, who was tragically killed in a freak accident at old firm game, it was his bravery in diving at the feet of an onrushing player that sadly cost him his life. RIP John Thomson, Prince of Players. hail hail Timalloy

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R.I.P. Ger4life

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Cheers Ger4life, this when the TRUE football fan emerges Timalloy

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Brave boy. Even 80 years later it still puts all todays petty nonsense in to perspective. RIP.

Stuarty

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05 Sep 2011 08:26:38
London Rangers I thought you guys were Glasgow Rangers Fans? Clear that you ain't. Ger4life

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Glasgow Rangers will continue to exist if they address the tax issues.
London Rangers can help solve the Elephant in the Room scenario as described in the Record

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I thought "Elephant" referred to big Broadfoot LOL Timalloy

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Are London Rangers not Chelsea?

David

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05 Sep 2011 07:28:29
Can all the scaremongerers on this site please get a grip on reality??

The total tax liability bill that Rangers have been issued with is £4.2Million which is no-where near enough to put us into Administration, which HMRC advised right at the start was not something they were looking to do.

The bill is broken down to £2.8Million of outstanding payments & a £1.4Million fine... No I am not genious by any means but this is a far cry from the '£24Million' previously quoted in the press!

The only problem at the moment is that Rangers are disputing the £1.4Million fine as they feel this to be excessive & they want to pay the bill in installments...I would agree that they should just pay the bill and move on, but this idea of 'London Rangers F.C.' is that far fetched it is unbelievable.

Come on people wake up and stop sniffing glue!!

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There is another 45m bill

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I think you are getting confused my friend. This 4.2m bill is on top of the 40m+ bill. This 4.2m bill is as you described. It looks to me like Whyte is not going to roll over hence the reason for contesting. If Whyte is the successful man he is, remember salvaging ailing companies is his area of expertise, then this situation will not be new to him in any way. If he is what he says he is then it could be the case we could not have a better man in charge. Of course the problem is hysteria is being caused by media with the issue that we do not have any info on Whyte. No matter how much I think about all that could happen I just can't see this man ripping the club apart it all seems like a media frenzy to me and certainly a lot of well to do Celtic fans wanting to see us crumble. They are fascinated with Rangers right now including that fud Lawwel.
The fact is we all need to keep our heads, support Ally first and foremost and hope that Whyte is the man.

GDog
WATP

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05 Sep 2011 03:22:25
Just some changes I have thought would be beneficial to our hopes of progress,

1. We have all seen about the changes for families at matchday, after our award for most family friendly stadium/club last year. I don't think they go far enough.

To attract families to ibrox it has to be affordable,
We hear all the time in the press that Glasgow has some of the poorest areas in Britain and Europe. An average family of 4 has to pay for 2adults 2kids this isn't affordable compared to other entertainment on offer in our city, like cinema, laser tag etc we must remember it is only 90 mins entertainment.
We need to scrap season tickets (bold I know but bear with me) the majority only buy them to guarantee the 2 Celtic games resulting in empty seats at the lesser games which equates to fans losing money(paying for games they don't go to). You could sell both old firm games as a package at the start of the season even at a slight premium they would sell out in a day. For the rest of the season it's about filling the stadium as often as possible. Gone are the days you lifted your bairn oor the turnstile BRING THEM BACK, children should not need to pay if with a paying adult. This makes football affordable for families and we would see them flock in their numbers back into our stadium. A full stadium of families targets a wider audience of sponsorship which would result in boost in income for the club. Let's face it there is slot of small companies got advertising space at ibrox because it isn't that expensive. If demand for this goes up so does the price, alot of manufacturers of products for kids have have to work to strict guidelines to avoid the pc brigade. But say you have 25000 adults and 25000 kids inside ibrox it suddenly makes it attractive for these company without them being seen to be targeting kids directly ie children's tv.
I would bring in a donation system solely for transfers that fans can donate to at the stadium or through direct debit etc as that's what most fans want their money to go to anyway and I'm pretty sure it would be successful considering most of us would have already spent 500 quid on a season ticket but now you would only spend say 100 on OF package and maybe 10 games at 20quid equaling £300 or if you do go to all home games it's still only 500 ish but you wouldn't feel punished if you missed a game as you didn't pay for it like a season ticket does.
Say 100000 people donate a fiver a week to rangers worldwide which is very possible as fans like their team improving and money directly to transfer fund is attractive for fans. 26 million a year sounds like a team able to compete in Europe to me. We could be great once more.

Thoughts please people? I feel this is way forward not just for rangers but whole of Scottish football.

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Think your being naive to get 100000
people paying 260 annually.......imagine the furore if they put up our season books by this amount

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Spot on mate

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Whyte would pocket the lot, and laugh at all you gers fans, all the way to his safe, (not the bank) ha ha

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Family friendly club award, what a joke for a club that gets pulled by uefa for sectarian singing, but just sums up scotland

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That's the thing tho, it won't be 100000 paying 260 a year, I said a fiver as low donation sample, it doesn't need to be the same 100000 people donating every week, I said worldwide, so in my estimates you have 700k people in Glasgow at least 200k of them are bears, you have 5million people in Scotland I would guess a million are bears, then northern Ireland and the fans who are based in England, we hold conventions in the USA most summers for ex pats all these people I think would like the opportunity to invest in the club when they can afford to, I also believe people earning good money would throw more than a fiver into the pot, and people who won a 100 quid on a coupon etc that are happy cos they won would chuck a tenner before they left to go home. They are a lot of our fans out there that can't make it to games and would like the opportunity give something back when they can afford it. In my opinion changes need to happen come on malmo, Maribor Leicester city out bidding us for players ffs, we are rangers we are a big club in a small pond and tv isn't giving us the money we need to compete, it's time our fans did. I we never try this then we will never know. Even if it was 25000 fivers at 20 home game a season it still equals 2.5 mil which is more than we spent this year. Plus the club could run fundraising events at supporters clubs etc by sending current players to meet greet the fans with all monies raised going to transfer kity. The club could add incentives for fans to donate aswell like saying for every fiver donated the club will donate a pound to charity. The current system isn't working, ibrox is silent these days with a lot of empty seats that fans have paid for in advance. Why not give this a go before we find ourselves in the gutter our game is dropping in standard by the year.

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One more point you asked what the furore would be if the club upped season tickets by 260 a year, that's my point. We are paying 500 a year to watch dross, no quality left in Scotland, how many of us that pay the season ticket price actually make it to every game, that's money out of our pockets for nothing. Scrap season tickets. It wastes fans money. Fill ibrox with people that can actually attend the game and as I said if you go to 11 of the home games including OF games you would pay around 300 quid instead of the 500 for your season ticket, you could then donate that 200 quid saving to the transfer fund which improves quality on the park and doesn't just cover the wage bill. Filling the stadium every week will still cover the wage bill without season ticket money. Don't just write this idea off, we used to fill ibrox before season tickets were introduced and incentives like free kids would achieve this again.

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Also is £5 a week, less than the price of a packet of fags too much to pay for waking up the morning after transfer deadline day to find the bears have signed a 10 million centre forward instead of waking up to find out that we knocked back 9mil for a centre forward

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If It was that easy don't you think the club would have done this before now? RFC is a Business, all the donations etc would have to be put through the books in the correct manner, VAT and Tax would be implemented to all the takings, Its not quite as simple as you make it sound and TBH is a much riskier way to run the club as no income is garanteed in the way season tickets etc are. Also no money up front all on a week to week basis, you cannot run a business like this you need a business plan with proper figures not on the hope your going to get people to come. As for advertising this is more for TV than the people at the matches. Most season ticket holders attend home matches and if they don't they give it to a mate, either way the clubs getting paid for their seat. I would suggest this plan is more likely to reduce gates as STH go to matches as they have paid for it in advance. Think you would see a dramatic drop in attendances over the winter months. Also I think your being a bit naive to expect people who are not on big earnings to donate money to line the pockets of players when we all know they get paid far to much anyway and I mean footballers in general.

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I know where your coming from buddy and I agree it has it's risks but football survived long before season tickets were introduced, there are ways round paying tax a vat for a donation system and given our clubs current predicament I believe they would find a way to avoid paying tax like they did with offshore payments etc. Football is fickle buddy fans come and go dependant on success, season tickets or not no income is guaranteed. I for one think we will see year on year drops in season ticket sales over the next few years as fans respond to being lied to about transfers coming to club just to sell season tickets. We are in a recession and fans feel ripped off at how there money is used. Let's face facts we don't have a mega rich supporter/owner that is willing to invest much of his own cash, but we do have a lot of wealthy fans who can't afford to buy a club but can certainly afford to donate every year. And Joe public collectively can donate small or whatever they can to beef up the kitty. I don't expect people who cannot afford it to donate, but unless we give it a try how do we know exactly how many people are willing to. May I add not once did mention that these donations go towards players wages, just transfer fees. The club should still run it's budgets on wages etc through normal avenues like tickets, merchandising and sponsorship.

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I know you didn't say the money would be used for wages etc but can you really trust the club to use the donations for players. How do you police how much is raised, who counts the money up, you would need a separate trust fund operated by another body in order to make sure the money was going where you want it to. Then you need to make sure the wage structure is kept intact, difficult when your talking about players in the 5-6M bracket. They can make 30-40k a week down south so RFC would need to offer similar amounts to get them to come. I don't think trying to dodge tax/vat is worth the risk. The offshore system you mention could have a serious impact on the club if found guilty which is looking highly likely so I don't think that taxation on the donations is avoidable. Any capital introduced will be subject to VAT and Tax I just can't see any way round that.

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I think the way to avoid tax on this is to set up the fund as a charity, take poppies for example we pay for them and the tax man gets nothing, I don't even think poppie manufacturers pay vat on materials to make them. If one pound was donated to charity for every 5 donated by fans this would dodge the tax. {Ed001's Note - tax avoidance? I can't imagine Rangers ever getting involved with any kind of tax avoidance scheme *cough*}

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05 Sep 2011 00:08:00
We should be offering our masters team all
1 year contracts

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I seen enough of Scott Nisbet & Bert Konterman first time around mate! I don't think my nerves could suffer a second helping!

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