Rangers Banter Archive May 05 2012

 

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05 May 2012 23:27:10
Anyone who watched Ally at end of the game today should appreciate without doubt how honoured we are to have that man in charge !! A complete Rangers man who has probably put Glasgow Rangers before his family and health!! Need I post more ? NO

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No!! You needn't post more of this arse licking tripe. Ally seems to be everything the Rangers fans want in a manager. Apart from being a good manager. .

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I think he is all things rangers, fat and snydey

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He is a man soon out of a job and a creditor...b

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Look he's not a hero or a legend, he's a guy trying to get on with his job and grind a result out each week. Admin has required him to try and manage some additional stuff, not too difficult for any manager in industry. He's not been very good at either.

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Sue barker too take over sally cant cope. he makes lennon look half decent

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No#2 your comment is fat and snydey.

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He stood up when most wouldn't. Definitely a Rangers man !

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In response to number 4) - cannot believe what I'm reading here. At the start of the season I too was very disappointed with some of the results particularly in Europe. I was critical of Ally's tactics which still applies - they were down to him as were the team selections. The signing activity was clearly hamperred by the financial situation. It would have been better to declare the restrictions the club was opperating under, than to continually be linked with players that were never going to come. The whole trial thing became embarrassing and should have seriously raised alarm bells. Was Ally complicit in this - who knows! But once the s**t really hit the fan Ally has been immense. How would anyone cope with not knowing their own future, work with and get results from a group of individuals who are unsure of their own futures and have had to make significant sacrafices in terms of wages which must impact on their frame of mind and the well being and security they believed they were providing for their families. I think in the main the players have been immense in their sacrafice and committment and Ally more than anyone. I have been there and worked under an administrative regime. To get people to turn up to work yet alone do their job under all that uncertainty can be a massive ask. To do it in the in the full glare of publicity that Ally has had to do, to contend with the extreem levels of uncertainty that surround the club every day, to do all this without any real reason for hope is immense. This is what "not walking away" is about, many men would understandably have thrown the towel in, lesser men would have been making excuses and gone to ground. Ally is not the best coach in the world but he is our man, a Rangers man and that is what we need at this moment. No one who has wittnessed the torment of the last 3 months should underestimate the burden he has carried or what he has done. Ally McCoist, Rangers Legend; One Life, One Love, One Club.

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8/Oh please! what a load of rubbish.Ally looks after number one,why did he not go on the march to hampden? cos ally keeps ally out of stuff like that

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05 May 2012 23:02:53
BAM construction (yep, it's a real company guys, look it up) a construction company specialising in leisure facilities amongst other projects, is to carry out a comprehensive valuation of Ibrox and Murray Park. This valuation is to be carried out in conjunction with a high profile, Manchester based commercial real estate company (as yet unknown but will probably have their names by Monday. ). BAM will offer specialist technical advice on the valuation of properties. Have been informed that this is an initial valuation. Have been informed that the real estate company have carried out many surveys for the HMRC in the past and have a previous working relationship. Digging for details at the moment.

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Is this the same company that was involved in the sale of Man City? I seem to remember the name.

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Did anyone think HMRC were just gonna sit back and let this transfer stuff happen?

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There is a very high level agenda to end sectarianism in Scotland. Thank god.

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@2 HMRC are just siting back and letting this happen. Admins would not proceed past the offer stage without some agreement from creditors that it is acceptable. I'm sure that's disappointing for you.

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Insolvency expert on news night Scotland explained not only was it legal but that HMRC , ticketus or whyte cannot stop it or indeed do anything about it.

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If HMRC think assets are being sold for less than the market value in an administration there are lots of things they can do.As your about to find out im afraid

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@6 HMRC change the rules all the time as they are constantly been out witted by smart accountants etc , but I think the way that Millar is going about this is legal and how can HMRC interfere when this happens as he is not selling the assets he is moving them

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05 May 2012 22:59:03
Absolutely no harm to certain teams but all these poster who claim to be fans of other teams [ but we know are really from the dark side] a question , how many would pay £600 for season which includes sitting on a rain sodden winter evening watching Ross County, let us all be realistic if either of the old firm not in league we are quickly heading for something similar to the league of Wales

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Bam was prevoiusly edmund nuttall and ritchies rockcliff ( drilling company and done a lot of railway work ) based in kilsyth part of a swiss group of companies how i know i done a lot of work for them over the years doug

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I don't know, but how many Rangers season ticket holders will pay far more increased prices to watch a tepid, inexperienced team struggle now that they've managed to wriggle their way back into the SPL? Not many I think. I feel they would rather use the money to buy a new armchair to watch football that's not going to be on the telly. .

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They've not wriggled in its a 10-1 vote required. Which looks difficult as Dunfermline should vote for themselves to stay in SPL and say no, and Celtic should say no as their fans expect that. Aberdeen and Hibs would say no also. In fact 92-98% of all SPL fans have said no and are prepared to take financial consequences. Remember Airdrie! It's where I'm from.

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It's no reason to forgive cheating.
Let Rangers off now and they will be more arrogant and know that they can never be sent out of SPL for anything.

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Rangers fans paid it in the 9 in a row seasons when Celtic were rank.

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05 May 2012 22:05:39
If rangers (newco with no history or traditions) manage to get away with the biggest scam in football history they should have the Cher song gypsys tramps and thieves as their club song.

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Nah!! That song would be too complimentary for them.

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No simply the best will suffice you know it makes sense

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Nah..Celtic fans own the copyright papers for that one, sorry mate ..Next.
S.A.B

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Obsessed since 1888

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Surely should be "cant touch this" watp we are Scottish football

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05 May 2012 21:42:54
sick of all the Nice but Dhims coming on here and bleating about how wrong it would be if Rangers are aloud to stay in the SPL if they form a newco. lets get one thing straight Rangers have no say in what happens if you want to whinge about it whinge to your own chairman it will be very interesting to see which way mr Lawwell will vote

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Rangers shouldn't be allowed! Its some Rangers supporters who should't be aloud.

Get someone to explain it to you.

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Rangers could do something about it. They could resign from the SPL. Gies us all some peace.

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F the l;ot of you a then we,l see how long your spl lasts i know i,l e laughing the longest what we have we hold doug

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Good grief doug! Are you in the thin red line defending some far flung outpost for queen and country? Laughable.

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Nothing to defend my friend simple as this if we go the rest go down too and then a slow suffocating end to scottish football nobody seems to want to admit to that its like asda opening a new store next to the corner shop ,how long will the small shop survive doug

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Doug, it's all about what you and other Rangers fans hope will happen, which isn't necessarily the same as what will happen. It's a pathetic attempt to try to persuade others that they need Rangers and to make yourselves feel important. Here's news for you: you're not needed.

Unlike punctuation: it is needed. {Ed022's Note - Brilliant end to the post mate.}

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And just to the last post is it not that all you people want us dead and buried and if it does happen naturslly I couldnt give a toss about scottish football if this vision that all you seem to want actually does come to fruition...I dont think the scottish league will die but I do think it will be one boring league set up dont you....And by the way I want to go to division 3 for 2 reasons firstly I would like to help out the other smaller clubs in scotland by bringing them in a little more revenue and secondly just to stop all your greedy chairmen who hate us but want us just for there bank accounts...so iIMO you can shove your SPL and I'll take my teams exile but unfortunately its not my choice its down to 12 teams of which every one of them are greedy...

Tam-Sir 1873 You dont need us but youll be no better than an SFL team come 2014 if your not at that standard yet m8..

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@7: like the SPL is interesting now?! Not much will change and clubs will just downsize a bit. The league will be more competitive, apart from the top position probably, and more fans may go if it is - this will make up for not having Rangers fans twice (maybe only once) a year. If it ends up just like the SFL then Rangers, when/if they return, will be used to that standard.

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And airlie and reid didnt get anywhere with their sit in at upper clyde shipbuilders in the 70 s ,i know and so do you gers will always be there whether you like or not so im not worried about the future but the other 11 should be we dont need to force anything through it will take its own course doug

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Doug, could you do us all a favour and start using some punctuation please. Your posts will be much easier to understand if you do.

Oh, and less arrogance might help too - 'the other 11 should be worried' is nonsense. Rangers fans should be worried as their club is still on the brink. If Miller decides against bidding, what then?

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05 May 2012 21:29:08
i dont like to cut & paste. but what do the decent fans think of this

Yet another reason to not read the daily record again, tam cowan today in his colum final thought of the week was as follows 'do you think that the Thai tims stitched the boots and jersey of the Celtic players on Thursday night'.

I would first like to say what a disgrace that comment is coming from a washed up comedian that he is now picking on young disabled kids, secondly is a disgrace that the editors of the paper oked this too and thirdly surely this is a discriminating comment and should be dealt with accordingly.

F**king raging and going to personal write an email to the daily record, hopefully people from all the teams in the league see this will follow.

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Completely agree. That was outrageous.

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It is sickening to try for a joke out of these kids.It is also a quote lifted from the RTC blog responses so not even original.Why,what do YOU think?

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Never seen it . Shocking

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Wat has this got to do with Rangers? CheltBlue

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05 May 2012 21:13:00
To Celtic fans bangin on about rangers havin a head start of 20 years rangers won the 1 Scottish league title all be it joint winners with dumbarton 1891 three whole years after Celtics birth by the start of the 20th century Celtic were actually in front on league titles so no excuses bhoys 54 beats your 43 hands down

jacko

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Oh my god! what a pathetic,sad case you are.

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If you were joint winners with Dumbarton shouldn't that be 53 and a half titles?

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Away back in your hole waco. All you need to know is your titles stopped at 54 minus the ones you cheated your way to win. Bye bye rangers fc hello zombies fc

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Yous have cheated for years with imposters as football players want me to name them all id be up all night wayne /carl raphael / the old beatles song money cant buy you luck ( not love ) doug

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4/ but we paid for them so whats your point?

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05 May 2012 20:11:40
Can anyone enlighten me please?

Have been reading about the likely new rules being voted on. It seems to be a newco would have 10 points deduction for two seasons, and 75 per cent tv deductions. But it seems to be that these will come into force on 14th May.

What happens if newco is in place before 14th May?

If new rules come into force on 14th what are current rules that are being changed. From what I can see there are no rules in place, does tht mean if we are set up by 14th, are we sanction free?

Before those from other pages start saying that we should be hung drawn and quartered, there are one of us that believe we should face some form of punishment, that is not the point, I want to know if anybody knows the answer, Ed?

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That's what Doncaster was trying to say earlier in the week. He was giving a nod and a wink to Rangers to liquidate, and let's be honest here, the Newco is liquidation. That means the SPL will be seen to impose tough rules but they won't affect Rangers. It's a bit like saying "the pub's closing at 1am so get yourself in quick for the lock in".

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05 May 2012 19:05:24
just a thought would the players not transfer over to the new co under tupe.


bear in the bay

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Players' union has said no.

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There seems to be a differing of opinion regards this issue SFA seem to have a different viewpoint from players union, looks like another job for solicitors.

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2) Yes they would be transferred over under tupe (same contracts etc). The point is they can choose not go, walk away without penalty.

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Tupe ...would mean their terms and conditions for 3 years

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Pretty sure terms only need honoured for 1 year, anything above that is just a gesture from newco to existing employees to entice them to stay.

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05 May 2012 17:40:45
If Ally joins Newco and signs appropriate contract with that corporate entity, does that mean he's walked away from original Rangers 1872?

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I would say so,as no matter how they spin it if Miller takes over, Rangers and the history die. Its a new club

Dannybhoy

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@1 of course it is dannyboy, just beacause you say so.
Would u like to say a few words about world peace?

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It does not matter dannyboy we will be here forever simply the best

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How many times,history can not die,its history FFS.

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5/Third lanark might sat otherwise

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05 May 2012 16:54:24
Ed see my post has disappeared ? Not sure why. Regarding Miller walking away..... {Ed022's Note - It wasn't the post that was the problem, it was one of the replies as it was a vile and disgraceful reference.}

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At Ed. Why not just remove the reply and paraphrase it then? {Ed022's Note - We can't remove an individual reply once its posted, we can only remove the whole thread.}

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Any way -- I replied that it could not be true because in fact it was (according to Sky presenter after today's game) "Rangers preferred bidder Bill Murray....." I missed what followed. Trust that wasn't too vile an idea.

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But I thought it was one of your functions to filter out such replies. I thought you were doing quite a good job because in comparison to Evening News or Record sites this is really quite civilised. {Ed022's Note - Yes it is, but unfortunately it managed to get through, it was my own fault in all honesty. However, it has now been cleared up before any damage was done.}

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05 May 2012 16:08:06
Great to see a full house for the lap honour. Aww wait that's blue seats ;) by the way am real irish man. Share my last name with Celtic all time greatest goal scorer. On the Rocky Road to Poland. If your going to reply leave a name girls don't be a coward. Bigirishmac Celtichampions

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Mr.McAveenay is it then be gorra,,he scored the most did he not...lol

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1/ not even funny.no surprise there as you dont do fun eh?

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Bigmac or shall wee call you weesacs what a pathetic post concentrate on your own attendances which up until gers administration was almost non existent

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@3: Celtic had non-existant attendances? Even you know that's a lie, mate. Try harder next time or else you just seem daft.

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@3 come on don't be calling me names least am not coward that won't leave one. How's the fakeover going? Thought of a name for the newco yet? Taxavaders Fc bigirishmac

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Lots of fans dressed as seats at Parkead on Thursday. Champions?

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@6: Champions without the desperate need for all the fans they can get in the stadium. Not the Champions of admin, like Rangers. "We don't do turning up at our club in its greatest time of need yet we claim to be the best supporters in the world."

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05 May 2012 15:45:55
Rangers in crisis: Backlash fear forces 11-club vote on Ibrox club's SPL future


RANGERS' top-flight fate will no longer be decided by the five-man SPL board because three members fear a backlash against their clubs.
Instead, all ELEVEN member outfits will consider whether to re-admit Rangers to the SPL if they apply for membership as a newco.
Record Sport understands the change came after three men on the board - Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson, Motherwell director Derek Weir and St Johnstone chairman Steven Brown - voiced concerns their clubs could have been singled out if they took a decision that was unpopular.
Under normal circumstances the five-man board - comprising Thompson, Weir and Brown along with chief executive Neil Doncaster and chairman Ralph Topping - would have been asked to vote.
But that system has now been considered to be unfair and 11 clubs will be canvassed for their opinion.
The Ibrox club's fan groups have already threatened a boycott of away matches if the SFA's plans to impose a 12-month transfer embargo are upheld on appeal.
And the three men who voted to impose the transfer ban received police advice on personal safety following threats.
Meanwhile, ESPN have denied they are ready to pull the plug on their contract with the SPL.
An inaccurate report suggested the uncertainty over Rangers' future had prompted the broadcaster to ditch the agreement drawn up for the next four seasons.
That deal has yet to be signed but ESPN insist they are not about to pull the plug over fears Rangers will not be in the SPL.
ESPN communications director Paul Melvin said: 'We were disappointed to see a local Glasgow paper run a story that is factually inaccurate.
'Comments from ESPN said nothing at all about our TV deal with the SPL and explicitly stated that we were pleased with our long-term relationship with the league.'
The old contract between the SPL and Sky, along with ESPN, expires next weekend. It stipulated there had to be four Old Firm games a season.
The same guarantee is expected to be in the new contract but Rangers' future is uncertain.

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Terrible situation that the executives and chairmen in Scotland cannot make decisions for fear of physical reprisals by Rangers fans.

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So SKY and ESPN have not threatened anything if Rangers are not in SPL.

And actually criticize the Rumour.

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A TV deal clause, should have no bearing whatsoever on how Rangers is dealt with for it's crimes.

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Espn say they have not threatened to walk away but it is sky that want the 4 old firm matches or they will walk away

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1) nowhere on that post does it mention the chairmen can't make decisions for fear of physical reprisals. What happened to the guys in that panel was very wrong but you do realise the referee's of the spl received threats last year from Celtic fans. When oh when will we all accept that there are morons on both sides of the old firm and through out Scotland in general.

pappy

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SKY have previously had a clause for 4 old firm games. SKY have never said they will walk away without old firm games 2012-2013 season.

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You're right 5 it doesn't say anything about physical reprisals, that's just wishful thinking on the part of 1. They're worried about Rangers fans boycotting their grounds it says. So much for the SPL not needing Rangers. We keep their parks open, funny how that focuses the attention of the SPL board.

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@7: funny how most relegated teams survive without Rangers (and Celtic).

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If you look at the feelings of the other teams fans, to a man and woman they all think Rangers should be demoted.if you are saved it will be pure greed that does it and somehow with you lot that seems appropriate

Dannybhoy

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I don't think the article makes sense. The SPL board are worried that if they vote to keep us out, then the fans will boycott them and not go to their ground?

I'd have thought the fact we wouldn't be playing in the same league would be more of a issue for away games than any fan boycott.

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Really?
Relegated teams?
Teams with no money normally and no great following.
I've said before on this subject- YES they will survive, but the danger is they will be no better than Auchinleck or Linlithgow & probably with less support

bill72

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9.)
To a man & woman!

Care to share your obviously exhaustive evidence for this?

bill72

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@11: only because you hope that'll happen to prove your arrogant point about everyone needing Rangers. Face it: they don't.

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No web site that I have seen (and I am not the original poster) has any fan from any non OF team expressed any sympathy for Rangers FC(IA) or suggested that financial considerations should influence justice. To be blunt we want you ,at best/least in SFL 3 or in the queue behind Sparta to be elected there.

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Bill 72 After today's utterances by Kilmarnock's chairman that R were needed in SPL I would be prouder to wear Linlithgow or Auchinleck's colours than Killies. I suspect I would not be alone.

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@15 "I suspect I would not be alone"

No offence to Linlithgow or Auchinleck (both proud wee clubs), but when they played each other last december the attendance was 50 (fifty), so you may not be alone, but it would sure feel like it.

Your Chairman is probably less enthusiastic about that as future prospect than you seem to be.

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Aye and they all ended up in the jail /wait till auchinleck play cumnock its like the 3rd world war doug

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05 May 2012 15:28:26
Ed could it be a scenario that miller shuts down old rangers,then new rangers,then say he due 50 million from newco whilst being the secured creditor?, {Ed022's Note - No.}

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05 May 2012 15:07:11
just heard ally has penciled in a few freebees for next season (before you all shout foul, the transfer embargo doesnt apply to a newco!) ian black, marian kello, arneson fae aberdeen, lee miller fae carlisle, and good old peter lovenkrands, i think they would all do a good job for us in the spl.........

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Already been stated it will stand. Can't keep your history but not penalties, can't have it both ways

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SFA transfer embargo will be to newco or oldco

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I'd rather we worked our way back,what is the point of losing 75% revenue just to supplement the rest of the SPL.
Rangers should exercise their right of veto to remain in spl IF further sanctions and embargo are applied.
Although i think the transfer embargo
will be reduced to January window,or shelved altogether.

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Kello that's funny am sure he has signed for Aston villa

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05 May 2012 15:02:09
Even the wee boy mascot wis greetin and didnae want
tae walk onti the park. HE HE.

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Super allys kid ya t**t

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So your making fun of a child, and post it on the forum. Jeez it never ceases to amaze me the mentality of so called fans.

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05 May 2012 14:21:04
Just been reflecting on the valuation given by BM (£11.2m) and for Ibrox alone (£109m) by the Administrator's agents. 'Firesale' pricing is one obvious answer, but it occured to me as well that Ibrox is a Listed building - you can't knock it down!

It would be worth nothing to Tesco, Asda, B&Q etc. It can only ever realistically be a sports venue - hence no big bids are possible from broader interests. So Ibrox is protected as a historic landmark eh? comforting to know.

Sort of a "Buckingham Palace of the North" with Royalty in residence for a few more years yet.

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So is celtic park. facade has been covered over and be can be put back to original state.

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So was highbury and it's flats now!! It's only the ibrox facade that's listed so ibrox could be knocked down and keep the front!! So happy dreaming.

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Read what Chelsea are doing to Battersea power station? Only parts of Ibrox is listed (although whole ship is abit askew just now) and that could be incorporated into a new supermarket or flats. Nature of surrounding area would rather put off developers but maybe tone might go up soon. CW might come back and build there.

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Do you people know anything about rangers? only the frontage is listed nothing else.109m? are you serious? its in govan ffs!

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Paying to keep ibrox and maintain it ...and it needs alot of work will be costly, drop in season tickets ... European and spl revenue cuts ....rebuilding of a team, this takes money ...money sadly you will never have again and unless u accept this and work within your means instead of buying titles....u will be bust quicker than a balloon at a children's party

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Glasgow Royal Maternity Hospital, known as Rottenrow was a listed building - do you know what happened to it?

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Yes like the royal spongers you are

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Battersea power station listed grade A but Chelsea wanna bulldoze it.
Wembly twin towers grade A bulldozed.
Ibrox small facade.....grade C liste, no chance against Tesco !

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Hee hee hee the whole ship is askew, word play banter genius, listed
Top marks
Nevis

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Yes my son was born there in 1977 last time i was up there i think it was only of the front arch that was there doug

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Strathclyde Uni bought it (I think) and were told they could knock it down as long as the front arch remained and some of the stone was used in the new gardens there. A listed building was knocked down - it can happen.

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Listed biuildings can be knocked in some circumstances - on safety grounds for example. It's not a quick process though (it can take years) and compromise solutions are sought first. Why would Tesco's bid on that? More trouble than it's worth. Ibrox isn't going anywhere.

;)

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05 May 2012 14:19:18
Another poor display today far too one dimensional, gubbed against Timmy cos the team didnt turn up, humped Dundee Utd as they couldnt mark Aluko, outplayed by Motherwell who in reality, should be 3 up.

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Well done to Stuart McColl bringing his inexpensive squad to Ibrox and playing a side three times the cost and getting a point. Better Manager than Ally?

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John barnes was better than sally

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05 May 2012 14:15:03
Steven Whittker is a joke of a player, how is this guy getting 20k a week?

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Hes not , and never will again

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05 May 2012 14:03:06
When you are the greatest and best supported club in the world, people will always have a wee dig at you when something goes wrong.....trueblue.

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Ludicrous statement

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Or when you break the rules then act in an arrogant way when punished.

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Just delusional. if you are what you say,would you be in this mess?

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No mate it's not , eg , rangers , man utd , AC Milan , barca , Madrid , bayern , are all hated in their respective countries
Pink Jedi

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Happens too when you are not the greatest as Rangers are finding out. As for support. This will do a snow off the wall impersonation soon.

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Support's been great at the last two home games - full houses, I take it?

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Haha! the volume of septic lizards that come on this page is laughable.so infatuated with the gers its no real.

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@7: just like so many Rangers fans are obsessed with Lennon?

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Celtic fans disappear quicker than doughnuts at a fat camp when things dont go there way... FACT

Mr Blonde

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@9: why mention Celtic fans? Wee obsession of yours?

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8.why bring lennon into it? isnt that what you bleat all the time? always the victims eh?

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@11: because Rangers fans are obsessed with bringing him into everything or haven't you noticed. If you're not bright enough to understand a relevant comparison then maybe you shouldn't be allowed near a device with internet connection.

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How many of the greatest teams in the world havent won the BIG CUP?muppet

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@11: I'm not a Celtic fan so keep assuming. When will you learn that just because someone makes a point you don't like, it doesn't automatically make them a Celtic fan. Imagine you did that with your family - a relative says something you don't like and so you accuse them of being a Tim. Sounds ridiculous? Of course it is, but that's what you (and those like you) do on here.

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You truly are the peepil true heroe,s to a man hip hip hip garlar07

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Canny handle the fact that RANGERS ARE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL with out us they are nothing the truth hurts Declan and he aint used to the truth

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@16 dont talk rubbish please explain how rangers are scottish football davie c

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05 May 2012 13:58:52
Fleck Ortiz Hutton etc etc all out on loan. Hopefully come back better players. If transfer embargo is upheld we're going to need everyone we have. Good to see Ness playing again. Maybe Ally should have played more young talent today to show the support and Bill Miller the standard he has at his disposal

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Fleck's been bombed out by Holloway.

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I hope ortiz comes nowhere near ibrox again.

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Support's been great at the last two home games - full houses, I take it?

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05 May 2012 13:16:31
I have always believed that some form of Rangers will exist after all this, too many fans, a good stadium, a recognised brand etc all justifications for it to continue but there are several things about Bill Miller that puzzle me. If any of us were buying a car, a house wouldn't we want to see it first? Sure, he only has preferred bidder status at the moment but that isn't fully my point. He had previously failed in bids for Sheffield Wednesday and Tranmere Rovers. I don't know how far he got down the road with either bid but I'll tell you something, at no point did he ever go to either club. The reason being he has NEVER owned a passport in his life. Now America is very insular in that regard I have spent enough time there to appreciate that. In the Midwest you can be double the length of Britain away from either coast, so no biggie in itself. But we are talking about a prospective international business owner here, I guarantee Warren Buffet has a passport. Currently a US passport cost $165, come on, something you didn't think you may require to have a hands on approach at any of the three British clubs you've tried to buy? If he is serious about his bids did he never think this might come in useful at some point? I just don't get the logic in this. As I say, no axe to grind here, there will be a Rangers next season, I just don't know if this guy is a serious enough player to be the one. Till he became President George W Bush had been in Mexico and that was it and we all know how he was perceived on the international stage.
Gaz

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I agree it's disconcerting. Did he pay a non refundable fee at the other two clubs?
Has he paid the £500k at Rangers? This would go a long way to establishing him as serious.

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I think he's an Ellis Whyte stooge arranged to ensure D&P don't give the club to TBK. He will pull out it'll liquidate. Whyte owns assets, has a deal with ticketus, HMRC and other creditors stiffed. Whyte a hero.

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I find it extremely difficult to believe £11m of Millers money will be given away to UK creditors from David Murray's golden years bought on tic.

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Why would he have to come over his backers AEG have had IBROX on there sites for 18months he is only there to take the flak get it sorted out as cheap as possible and then punt it on which would have been done already if WHYTE had not used the ticketus deal to illegally fund his takeover

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05 May 2012 13:08:24
Before the mass of san giro dwelling hoards get on the page, if rangers win YES murderwell did lie down for us.

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Enjoying the game? where you sitting?

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At work, where were you sat?

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05 May 2012 12:51:53
Well done Bocanegra for picking the wee boy up at the start of the game when he was most upset. Tru pro.

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Yous dont do walking away. look at the game. yous dont seem to turn up to walk away. poor show for last game at home.

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Nearly a full house ya clown ,

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Re No.1. It's the Bank Holiday weekend and we are all at our villas in Monaco.

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05 May 2012 12:42:40
Why are they jealous of us. Why do they want our history removed, this is why. Rangers have won 54 League Championships, more top-flight national championships than any other club in the world. They have won the Scottish League Cup 27 times – more than any other Scottish club – and the Scottish Cup 33 times.[3] Rangers have also won seven domestic trebles, more than any other club in the world.[4] In 1961, Rangers reached the final of the European Cup Winners' Cup, becoming the first British club to reach the final of a UEFA club competition. They won the European Cup Winners' Cup in 1972, having been the runners-up in 1961 and 1967, and were also runners-up in the 2008 UEFA Cup Final.

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Because your team cheated. Simple as that. And now they are trying to wriggle out of it. Morally corrupt team if ever I saw one. And before you start having a go at Celtic like usually happens on here, I'm a St.Johnstone fan. No tax evasion here.

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This is scotland grow up.

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Are you proud of the runners up status. we are proud cause we WIN the big wan.

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Pity that they cheated because,as the post says, on the pitch, they had a fine record up till the time thay got greedy and carried away with their own self importance. On and off the pitch the fans were much the same at the two EUFA finals.

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You're crooks and the Scottish game was run by Rangers minded placed men like a mafia. That's the truth of it.

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Rangers have naturally won more leagues than celtic since you did have a 20 year head start lol. Plus we have the big cup in our trophy room, that 1 star more than makes up for the league shortfall.

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All this "cheating" patter still getting passed about. Nobody cheated!! So what, Rangers owe clubs money? Are Rangers the only club in the world who owes other clubs money?

All yous clowns that are convinced Rangers are cheats. How and what years did we cheat?

I tell you something, if Rangers were cheats, they certainly weren't very good at it!!!!!

TTG

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7/ you owe more than football clubs remember?

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TTG Where have you been for the last three months'? Rangers are fighting a big tax case because the players had two contracts. One at face value to show the tax man, the SPL the SFA and UEFA. The other one was for the true amount that was being paid to them. They were players that Rangers could not hang on to by legitimite means and it was illegal to the tax man. It was also broke the rules of the SFA and UEFA. That is cheating. Have I brought you up to date. That was all in the blessed SDM's time. Ask someone else to explain what Craig W. was meant to do with the PAYE,VAT and NI that the club trousered when he was there.

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A TAINTED STAR that was borrowed from Celtic Athletic different badge different club as your lot have been saying we make our own history not borrow from other clubs

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05 May 2012 12:19:18
Cw is not stupid, probably very far from it and neither is dm. So why haven't either of these 2 thought of the newco route? Something doesn't seem right about all this

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When all is revealed it will be liquidation

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Craig shytes plan all along as been a newco, unless I've misunderstood your post, then what are you talking about mate?
PaulRFC

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Miller will walk same as other 2 uk clubs.
Whyte will own newco debts gone.
SDM's sons buy back the family legacy debt free for £1. Whyte gets a kick back.

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3/ i find it hard to believe some fans think murrayor his sons want anything to do with this financial basket case.grow up,murray shafted you and you all fell for it

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05 May 2012 11:34:38
What about Dunfermline in all this, they have played fair and square and may be relegated, but Rangers have not and will still be in spl even as as newco. Something not right there.

DB

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What about Aberdeen an Falkirk a few years back, do really think that every SPL chairman , the tv , want the pars over RFC

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Rough night last night guys , have I missed something , are a newco allowed in the SPL? Has that been decided ed ?
PaulRFC {Ed022's Note - Nothing.}

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05 May 2012 10:57:59
has miller stumped up the half mill or is he a bit lite

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Dznt have to.non exclusive

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Would you send one half of a million across the ocean just to get the exclusive rights to something sold for one pound a year ago and has gone downhill ever since. He may not be Bill Gates but he can't be as thick as that.

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05 May 2012 10:31:20
If officialdom get stroppy and want Newco to apply to join in bottom division would it not be better to apply to England to join bottom division

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For the last time-we play in scotland, we cant play in england they dont want us!

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HAHA,that must be the millionth time some muppet posted this

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Oh god not again , how many times , the football authorities won't allow it.

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05 May 2012 10:15:55
Anybody else feel this is the calm before the storm and that BM might just not be the answer.Still feel the Bk have a role to play

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End of fotball season. No 40 / 50 thousand crowds on the streets. Now is the time for SFA findings re contracts ,and big tax case , and clarity on asset stripping commpanies in administration. Stormy weather ahead.

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05 May 2012 10:00:44
BRIGGS you seem to have missed my point ALL TIME RECORD not up to 1989 or have you conveniently only done research up to this date to hide your teams abysmal record in the current format of champions league.also you have conveniently left out rangers 1972 uefa cup win or did peter'the midas touch' liewel and dermot'rockerfella' desmond buy a delorian time machine go back and erase this victory? jonny briggs(cabbage)

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Liewell? after all the sh*t you mugs swallowed? no wonder your a laughing stock

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Another Rangers fan who doesn't know his club's history - 1972 UEFA cup? Really?

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No. 2) Are you a complete moron??

GDog
WATP

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@3: no but the OP and you both might be as you didn't win the UEFA Cup in 1972, did you?

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3/ been a ger long gdog?

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4 They won something round about then.. Cant remember what is was because it was presented/flung at them in the toilets with admonitions to remove themselves from the area. The didn't defend the bauble the next because --rather like next season --they were barred from Europe. 40th anniversary too! Sad what.

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05 May 2012 09:51:50
Everton's Nikica Jelavic has scooped EPL player of the month.
Aston Villa fans have taken out £700 newspaper ad insisting Eric McLeish get sacked.

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Will that save alex mcleish his job

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I really hope im the only reply to this fan dan s**t stiring mhank. obsessed with the gers and former gers?

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Just as well Alex mcleish is the manager then.

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2/ how do you know who posted?

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05 May 2012 09:39:53
Lets all get this place rockin the day from the 1st whistle .

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It'll be hard to do that when Motherwell are winning. You also tried to get the place rocking the other night and couldn't as many we're swinging banners around bad mouthing BM, TBK's and hardly anyone there.

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Try singing about your team for a change

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I do. There's plenty of Alloa songs to keep us singing. Champions!! Now that's how you do it.

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Try staying over on your own page for a change.

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Bill's Bulldozers will do the rocking.

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05 May 2012 09:39:47
well done brian kennedy.tried to help but is big enough to support bill miller and good luck to him. airdrie bear

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Or just loves being in the paper?

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05 May 2012 09:34:40
Ed001- Has CW not already moved RFC's assets into his holding company in the Virgin islands. Also think i remember him renewing Mcgregor,Whittaker,and Davis's contract, and transferring them into Liberty capital. How then, can they be classed as Rangers assets,as things stand?
Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - D&P reported that they were still assets of the club.}

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05 May 2012 09:18:24
SPL to vote all 11 clubs, needs 10 to 1 to let Rangers back in.
ESPN and SKY maintain TV contracts for SPL not dependent on Rangers in SPL. And complain of such a story being fabricated.

Rangers in crisis: Backlash fear forces 11-club vote on Ibrox club's SPL future
by Hugh Keevins & Gary Ralston

RANGERS' top-flight fate will no longer be decided by the five-man SPL board because three members fear a backlash against their clubs.
Instead, all ELEVEN member outfits will consider whether to re-admit Rangers to the SPL if they apply for membership as a newco.
Record Sport understands the change came after three men on the board - Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson, Motherwell director Derek Weir and St Johnstone chairman Steven Brown - voiced concerns their clubs could have been singled out if they took a decision that was unpopular.
Under normal circumstances the five-man board - comprising Thompson, Weir and Brown along with chief executive Neil Doncaster and chairman Ralph Topping - would have been asked to vote.
But that system has now been considered to be unfair and 11 clubs will be canvassed for their opinion.
The Ibrox club's fan groups have already threatened a boycott of away matches if the SFA's plans to impose a 12-month transfer embargo are upheld on appeal.
And the three men who voted to impose the transfer ban received police advice on personal safety following threats.
Meanwhile, ESPN have denied they are ready to pull the plug on their contract with the SPL.
An inaccurate report suggested the uncertainty over Rangers' future had prompted the broadcaster to ditch the agreement drawn up for the next four seasons.
That deal has yet to be signed but ESPN insist they are not about to pull the plug over fears Rangers will not be in the SPL.
ESPN communications director Paul Melvin said: 'We were disappointed to see a local Glasgow paper run a story that is factually inaccurate.
'Comments from ESPN said nothing at all about our TV deal with the SPL and explicitly stated that we were pleased with our long-term relationship with the league.'
The old contract between the SPL and Sky, along with ESPN, expires next weekend. It stipulated there had to be four Old Firm games a season.
The same guarantee is expected to be in the new contract but Rangers' future is uncertain.

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It could be a chance for spl clubs to get rid of rangers if true,as a rangers fan i hope they do,i would like to see rangers in lower divisions we will come back a much better club,and we can sit back and watch the quality in the spl dwindle away

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1/ arrogant till the end.

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@2 might be arrogant but true!

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3/ you ever thought about the dwindling quality at ibrokes in div 3?

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Why would the quality of the SPL necessarilly go down? What talent there is will be spread around the clubs and on the pitch every game c.f. being bought (with taxpayer's money) by one club and stuck on the subs bench. It might actually improve as will the stock available to the Scotland squad. The big value stars of any consequence recognise already that our giants are big fish only because the pool is the size of a buket.

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05 May 2012 06:44:21
Here's one to think about.D&P have informed staff there is no money left after 31st May.No one has explained how club will survive after this date.Wages,bills etc have to be paid.These so called bids are worthless unless there is a large injection of cash immediately.Hard to see this when,let's be honest here,we don't know what league we'll be playing in next season.We may not be playing anywhere next season.Still too many problems to be overcome and not much time.

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05 May 2012 02:22:13
Sure I read in the D&P statement or somewhere that the New Company would buy the assets and the Old Company would persue through Litigation and seek a CVA. Can someone tell me does this mean that the new company will operate the business as we know it, and through time that CW and others that have been involved in questionable actions in his takeover are persued ans sued to add cash to the CVA pot. Take away the EBT issue were rangers not operating within their means in the 3-4 years prior to the takeover and infact reducing historic debts ? If BM looked at accounts prior to CW and seen that the Rangers can live and win trophies within its means, then he knows that if his cash, and monies sued from CW Bristows etc can give a decent CVA then its happy days. A year ago the Mint sold for a penny plus debt £24m+1p so Miller can make a buck or two whilst saving the mighty Gers. Can someone -ed? confirm if this is the plan/meaning of the term litigation {Ed001's Note - litigation means the conduct of a lawsuit.}

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You seem to forget that Ranger's last 4 years acoounts will show income from European football, something they don't have for the next 3 years. This will drastically reduce Ranger's capacity to operate. The CVA will be blocked too. No way are HMRC going to agree. If anything, the only thing they would agree to at most would be a full return of money over a number of years, not a percentage CVA. this will again add pressure to Ranger's accounts.

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OK about last 4 years europe money, a few games home & away with stateside teams in a friendly competition, with high interest both sides of atlantic in sponsorship and television revenues. Will CW be persued for the £24 he promised/signed up to pay for the club ? has ticket us gone quiet cause it is CW they now need to persue? has Bristow lawyers being sued for Gers money being held ? is SPL/SFA being persued for for not being more diligant in their checks to ensure fit and proper person ? EBT not proven ! cash from King Bill if all comes through why not enough in pot to get a CVA (accept if EBT case is lost then it is a different ball game !

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2/ Stateside teams? face it Celtic are the only draw in the USA cos of the irish ex pat following.they are asked every year are you? even prem teams know celtic are the draw hence chelsea trying to play us.

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05 May 2012 01:05:47
Oh dear are duff & duffer really that thick ,whats going on? , the reason that Ticketus are quiet is they have a personal guarantee from CW , and CW has covered this by having security of Ibrox & MP property hence why the court case with his Solicitors to try and make his take over last year null and void, a long way to go.

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04 May 2012 23:53:32
Regarding the grinding of the old 'ebt' axe...do you honestly think spl,sfa,uefa are going to award every rangers opponent of the last 6,7 years 3-0 wins, re calculate league standings etc then pay out for new league positions for previous seasons NAW there no so shut up dafties stop clutching at straws and get aff the communion wine

jacko

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The wine bit at the end says it all.mug.

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Correct well said !

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Jacko you were making a good point until this nonsense came spewing out-"NAW there no so shut up dafties stop clutching at straws and get aff the communion wine"
Maybe you are the daftie?
TNMN

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UEFA might well expect that and threaten sanctions against Scottish football if it doesn't happen. Look at the Sion case.

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Ebts were listed in Rangers accounts for all to see since they started how on earth anyone can say 10 years after the fact that points should be docked i don't know, if the spl or Celtic had a problem with them they should have said somthing a decade ago or could it be other clubs used them as well {cough}.

Even if Rangers are found guilty on ebts a cva will be done with the inland revenue meaning that the club has paid back an agreed acceptable amount, Millers plan more or less guarantees a cva.

Rangers will always have more titles than Celtic and that's what their fans can't take.

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Thats EXACTLY what EUFA will ezpe t or Scotland will be banned from ALL competitions. Im afraid rangers influence doesnr mean jack s**t outside if this countries borders

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Why not if that is that right thing to do.

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Just because something is mundane and time consuming to put right a grievous wrongdoing, doesn't infer it will not happen.
Seems less mundane and time consuming than sorting Rangers. 3 days should sort tables not 3 months.
The sectarian comment st the end is vile and inflammatory and malicious.

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5/ are you really that far behind the news? your appealing fines and penalties you mug.the bill is 24m,you have accepted that.it's easy to see why whyte conned you,you dont seem to know a thing

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@5...the difference is Celtic have won the trophies fairly, yours will always be in question. if you get to keep them? your club will end and a new one starts over, so Celtic won in the end between the two clubs and that is what is most important for we will be winning and growing bigger with every year. so now that yous are done lets just see how many Celtic can get within the next 20 years, for yous had a head start and could only win a couple more then use, but they wont/dont count when you cheat.what aboot old firm matches?

shows just how sad you are about your club when yous say yous will always have more then Celtic, dont you think it is about time to get your head out of the sand? yous say the fans have done nothing wrong but yous are making a complete joke of your club that is already running on and on.

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