Rangers Banter Archive June 05 2013

 

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05 Jun 2013 22:40:12
What are the Realistic Targets For Rangers this season. Starting with the Management team what do you want from them ie goals to targer ie League and so on. The players as individuals ie goals, good performances. The Boardroom goals also. And last us the fans what do we target ie higher Attendances. I would like to think we can win the League and also the Ramsden cup. And also get to the Quarter finals of both cups. I would also like our style of play to be much more direct, slicker with better ball retention and organised from the back right upto the strikers. Formation 442 away from home and possibily 433 at home depending on who we play. So guys and girls. What are you targets for the club next season in your eyes.

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A manager who might listen to you and not play 1-6-3-1 against teams we should be putting the shi'ites up at Ibrox.

Let's watch Pre-season and see what he does.

Charli3.

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I think a realistic target would be for the Chairman to come out and tell us what is happening.

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Financial survival
break even
avoid share colapse and delisting, note aim cost 1/2million each year just to be listed
settle whyte claims

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Only one target. Survive the season!

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Obviously the League is already wrapped up before a ball is kicked so we need to aim for a final in the Cup and/or the League Cup for this to be a successful season. As for the Ramsdens Cup I would do what the likes of Arsenal do in the English LC - blood as many youngsters as possible.

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Ramsden cup and that's your lot!

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Win the league move up simple as that we won't be winnin any cups or getin to finals to be honest but can only hope!would love to know what's going on upstairs because have a lot of worries for this year

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Wel win the league and league cup and the highlight of the season will be Celtic thrashed in europe like last season

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Don't know why u care about Celtic in Europe mate the rest of us don't!they actually done no bad last year u can't take that away from them!but can't say ill be tunein into there matches couldn't care less!think we need to concentrate on our own business so we can get back to euro nights which are along wae off sadly but we will return

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Thats a bit unfair on celtic, they did after all beat the team that lost 7-0 on aggregate in the semi final. xx

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For me, Win the league
Free flowing football
Ramsdens cup
a decent cup run in 1 or both of the other cups

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08 Jun 2013 08:24:09
@8: so winning trophies won't be the best aspect of the season but another team's defeats will be? How sad are you?!

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05 Jun 2013 21:53:02
Ed, could I post this particularly for the know it all accountants on the other site (shammy) in response to his no european football/accounts about rangers.
Tried to respond to his post but as usual anything that contradicts is not posted. PB

If you are filing your company's first accounts and those accounts cover a period of more than 12 months, you must deliver them to Companies House:

within 21 months of the date of incorporation for private companies, or
within 18 months of the date of incorporation for public companies, or
3 months from the accounting reference date, whichever is longer.

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06 Jun 2013 01:58:25
Those are the rules for submitting accounts to company house (like any company). There are also football rules to follow for football clubs.

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Good info, but do you know when we are to present our next aduited accounts.
I have posted on this subject before to try and find out more if we are loosing big money as so many Ill informed have tried to make out.
Dounebear

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What does this have to do with European football?

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Yeah that's companies House mate, if true.
I think the issue is the SFA has other dates; April. And that's irregardless of companies house requirements but then again no club should be in the top 42 without three years accounts history so this year would be a continuation of last years accounts.

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@2/ How do you know they are ill informed if no one has seen the accounts?The losses were posted in the interm report.

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Not 100% on this but I've heard that our audited accounts have to be signed off and handed into the SFA before the last day of June.

Will that happen? Well I can't think why a wad of potential money from Europe would be missed out on but I really worry the accounts won't be signed off in time.

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@6/ the first of May is the cut off date mate.

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#6. If true then why no outcry. Why no statements from the RST and others? Or do they not like asking difficult questions?

Why were fans asked to raise money for the share issue but the club are happy to turn down the chance to make millions and give fans the chance of a wee European adventure?

This kind of thing infuriates me.

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This is from the website

Key Dates
Event Date
Half Year End 31st December 2012
Interim Results 4th March 2013
Financial Year End 30th June 2013
Financial Results Date TBC
Annual Report Due Date TBC
AGM Date TBC

JG

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@9/ that's for the FSA. the UEFA accounts have to be in by may 31st

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@8 If anybody who is a members of the RST had a pair they would be banging on the front door every morning asking for the questions to be answered. They won't even disclose what happened to the money we had raised to fight the of the spivs.

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@10 eh we never qualified for Europe so we don't need to submit nothing to uefa this year to play in Europe next season

JG

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07 Jun 2013 10:27:57
@ 12). is this your age?
if you qualify for Europe but do not have 3 years of audited accounts you cannot play.
therefore if accounts are not produced you could qualify for the next 3 years but be unable to play
in any competitions. That is the reason audited accounts are essential. and at this time there have been none produced. so win the Scottish cup and watch the runners up take your place in Europe ( or 4th in the league if runners up are already in Europe. how would that feel??JohnnyG

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#13 you do realise that uefa licences are applied for on a season by season basis. Why would we apply if we haven't qualified
Incidently don't believe everything you read on here until you check it out.
Can you tell me the article in UEFA club licensing regs that state 3 years audited acounts are required? didn't think so it does not exist

Think if you read their criteria (uefa. com), in particular look at Chapter 3 article 47 section 4 you may be surprised

Before everybody jumps in I know there is a requirement to have been a member of SFA for 3 years but there are also exceptions granted

JG (slightly older than 12 yrs old)

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05 Jun 2013 17:24:55
Will all the new signings be joining the pre season in Germany and USA as Ally said? {The Ed039's Note - Maybe not Peralta, needs a work permit first, if I am right I dont think he would be able to play as trialist before hand either as his work permit will start effective the date his contract commences, ie September 1st)

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When was the pre season tour confirmed?

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Ed not sure he would need a uk work permit to play in a friendly in another country

JG

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@2 it would be an EU work permit

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05 Jun 2013 16:28:30
I don't see the proposed new rulings as being against Rangers as it applies to all clubs but what did go against us was a transfer embargo initially suggested for alleged illegal use of EBT, something which was not illegal only the non declaration regarding the use of it which meant the audited accounts were not submitted properly, forgive me if I am wrong but was it not three years after Juninho left Celtic that anyone found out about their use of EBT (SFA and SPL) included, did they not have properly audited accounts? which would suggest the authorities did not know about their use of EBT as they claimed they had no idea at the time. So what is it the authorities choose to ignore one club and investigate another or did they not know as proper audited accounts were not submitted at the correct time by Celtic?, should the latter be the case why no punishment, either way there seems to be some sort of agenda. {The Ed039's Note - Where have you been? Embargo was for bringing the game into disrepute, ie Admin, non payment of taxes)

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@OP: how do those straws that you're clutching at feel?

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Let it go mate, we are on phase 2 of our way back

JG

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05 Jun 2013 16:09:11
I imagine the new kit will be released anyday now, the PUMA logo is now on the top-right corner of RFC website. Hopefully it's something like Newcastle's, Italy's and Borussia Dortmund this season because the new Wolves, Feyeenord and Motherwell kits are horrible IMO

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The Tennents T is still there though, for now?

JG

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Good news for Ashley and Green then as they get the vast majority of the money.

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@2 are you telling me that if I own 8% of a PLC company then I can take as much money out of it as I want and cut my own deal with sponsors?

JG

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The Tennents T will be gone as Blackthorn are the main shirt sponsor for 13/14 season

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@JG/ Do you know how Green structured these deals? Ashley has 49% of the merchandising deal, the rest goes through a separate company where Green and Ahmad are the directors. Green has everything tied up, I think there is around 8 different companies covering everything from food to media rights. He has directorships in every one. Do some digging before jumping on a bandwagon.

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@5 obvious question back to you.
Do you know?

JG

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@JG/I just told you! Green set up separate companies dealing with every income stream. These companies are under the umbrella of Rangers, using the name being the obvious, but are separate companies all chaired by Green.

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@7 - read Part XIII section 12 of the prospectus, it details exactly how the subsidiary companies, now owned by RIFC were structured.
All are 100% owned apart from Rangers retail which is 51% owned by RIFC and 49% Sports direct retail

The prospectus was a lengthy document but I would recommend that everyone reads it for themselves

JG

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05 Jun 2013 10:27:09
We need a centre back, but I think Goian and Boncangera are coming back (hope not, too dear).
Get this centre back, I believe we are only a winger and a right back away from a decent side
Bell
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McCulloch
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Wallace
Temps
Law
McLeod
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Daly
Little

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Aird McKay & Little can all play on the wing with Clark Upfront if rather we signed a RB & Defender but also continue to Blood in Gasparotto!

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My team for next year as it stands would be

GK bell
RB peralta
CB gassporoto
CB McCulloch
LB wallace

RM little
CM law
CM Mcleod
LM templeton

ST daly
ST clark


HAMILTON LAD

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Don't expect Wallace to be there next season. Wage bill needs cut and he is one of the few players who would command a transfer fee {The Ed039's Note - Couldnt agree more)

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What about McAusland played 24 games whilst on loan at Ayr Utd.

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05 Jun 2013 20:38:40
Good shout no 2 but I think Dean Sheils might still come good just like big Mark Hateley who was very average 1st season wi us.

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06 Jun 2013 09:41:28
Mcausland can do a job in the second division for sure, because of my work I often have to attend Ayr matches and he is one of Ayrs better players. i'm not sure how he would handle a higher level but i'm sure with the right coaching and attitude he could do a job for us.

Ayrbear

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05 Jun 2013 09:58:26
with all these possible signings. is it just me or does it look like the building of a team not for Div 2. but for SPL2?

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Are you for real, its to get your season ticket money then green will pay of whyte, walter and ally will be sacked and everything will be hunky dory

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More like building a team for next 2/3 seasons. With so many new faces makes sense to give them this year in Div2 to settle in, next year to go through div 1/spl2 or whatever and then buy few more players when back in top league

JG

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05 Jun 2013 09:31:54
With Bocanegra not featuring for Racing Sant since Feb under his 4th manager of the season! He has slipped out of USA roster and lost captaincy. He will almost certainly rejoin gers with Dorin Goain who finished his loan spell at Spezia with a 6 match ban for pushing a referee. Despite this, SFA set to block the Danny Wilson tranfer to Hearts. would the lad be worth a shot bringing back if his deal fell through?

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Bocanegra played at the weekend mate

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If Bocanegra want s back in the USA team, he won't be playing D2 Scottish football next season. Will he take a wage cut if he does return as he'd surely have to?

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Wilson wanted awy so let him stay away

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@3: many of the players who wanted away and left are the subject of constant 'I hope they return' posts.

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D Wilson did not want to leave. I remember an interview where a player said all the players were sitting on the bus at the start of pre season and Wilson was called into Walter Smiths office and was told he was being sold to Liverpool. He was all set to go on pre season with rangers and didn't have a say in the matter. The player who gave the interview (can't remember who it was but if you look for it you will probably find it) was keeping a seat on the bus for him! I have also met him before and although he wasn't a boyhood fan he still loved the club.

Bladesy

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05 Jun 2013 09:28:15
The Sun are reporting that Walter has 48 hours to axe Malcolm Murray. Surely this is not true and just stupid paper talk. I think Walter has more integrity than this story suggests. If the story is true and Murray is removed it will show Walter in a different light. WW

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A chairman doesn't really make any decisions. Other board members can raise the issue and can out vote him.

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Especially a non-executive chairman with no real power. he may need to sign off any dismissal after instructions from the board

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05 Jun 2013 14:39:14
Charles and Ahmad still calling the shots thru Mather & Stockbridge.

PS Anybody else heard the Celtic rumor that CG agreed to sell all his shares to a firm of asset strippers Laxeys back in October? Probalby mince but just wondering as I thought his shares were promised to easdle bros.

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@3/ Not a rumour mate. The AIM confirmed the deal with laxey.

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@3. Green has sold 714, 285 shares to Laxey partners. Seems its not a Celtic rumour but the truth as your old mate John Mackay will be telling us later. DH

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05 Jun 2013 19:06:28
@3. shares dropped 2. 5p at this news.
sitting at 54p. 25% (almost) lost since issue

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N3 so what he is selling them one yes that's one percent are they planing to shut us down time for us to panic eh

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05 Jun 2013 20:36:34
So he arranged to sell them while pretending he loved Rangers and didnae mention he was getting shot of them during the share issue. Cheers Chuck nae wonder just about everyboy turned against you

so much for not leaving till he hears the champions league music at Ibrox. old chuck must be having a chuckle over that one.

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@3 do you track the share price of every football club that is listed and give a comment on the fluctuation

JG

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@8 were you sleeping when rfcl took over the assets of the football club? They were investors who saw an opportunity to get a return on their investment. Now the football club is owned by a plc, those original investors will realise their return on the investment by selling their shares

JG

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PS Anybody else heard the Celtic rumor that CG agreed to sell all his shares to a firm of asset strippers Laxeys back in October? Probalby mince but just wondering as I thought his shares were promised to easdle bros.

Well if the rumour was for 'all his shares' then it was a load of mince. He has agreed for 700k odd of shares to be sold though.

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05 Jun 2013 09:13:38
Gregg Wylde has had his contract ripped up at Bolton, He has left to go on a 2 week holiday to Dubai. His agent has already had interest from Motherwell and Hibs, but has said he is only interested in talking to Rangers if they were interested in bringing him back? I don't know if Ally would be interested? what do the fans think?

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Where did he say that? Nothing in the report I read.

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He deserted the club and then lied about doing it for others. He had already lined up his move to Bolton and he should never be welcomed back plus he was very average. Has pace but no end product

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Number 2 you haven't a scoobie mate. Greg Wylde left to save jobs. He was that upset by everything going on he wasn't sleeping. I would not have him back because I do not think he is good enough but he is not a Whittaker/Naismith.

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Here we go, "Traitor" "Don't want him back" "turned his back on us" nothing to do with the fact that he was s****.

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Wouldnt have him back, nothing to do with him leaving he's just rotten

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@3 how deluded are you mate? Buying his line about saving jobs! Strange then how he very quickly signed for the team that had been chasing him since the summer before. Even a 5 year old could work out he was lying

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As I said e few days ago lots of pace but couldn't cross the road we ve got better players now he is not needed

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Gregg Wylde i, ll ask a question
what are your memories of him on the park
cant think of any

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05 Jun 2013 09:12:11
It's quite difficult to understand the position of the diddy teams init. They obviously need us back asap to milk us for cash but with measures like this laughable ban on the playing of trialists if "the new package of measures" associated with this vaunted reconstruction (or is it more like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic?) goes through it's obviously a token gesture to make life more difficult. Just to placate their person fans? It's totally embarrassing how amateurish the people running the show are. This is a tacit admission that they made an @rse of the sanction in the first place because the transfer window happens to be extended beyond the end of August on this occasion.

Let's agree to no trialists if we can get a bigger league format so we're no playing the same teams over and over- tell that to wiggy from sheepland and corner shop junior.

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Your missing the point. It is closing a stupid rule that has a loophole clubs could abuse.

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That'll be Stewart Milne who no longer wears a wig (and is worth more than Murray ever was)?

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05 Jun 2013 12:58:22
The diddy teams don't need our cash. That myth has been squashed this year when the income for teams in the spl was more or less the same. Tired old argument that had more force asca scare tactic before the spl and sfl votes last year, but no evidence to back it up now.

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Milne is a person and evil with it

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Surely if all clubs are playing under a dlffrent league structure this ilegal transfer should be banished

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@4: what's your evidence for him being evil? Do you know him? If not, anyone could say you're evil too.

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N2 david murray was once rated as one of scotlands richest with an estimated 450 million how much is mr milne worth

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N2 your ost is wrong david murrays wealth once stood at 700million stewart milne 350 at best so in actual fact david murray could av bought 2 stewart milnes

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@8: try taking all assets into account too and then you'll reach what will be a surprising outcome to yourself.

Where did you get your £700m from? Remember that Whyte was reported to be a billionaire.

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05 Jun 2013 08:58:23
THe Advertising Standards Authority have answered 78 complaints by fans from the dark side, Their complaint hasn't been upheld, they complained about Rangers advertising " Scotlands Most Successful Football Club ",
Tha ASA have stated that RANGERS are and always were the same football club, and change of owner /company makes no difference, this has been corroborrated by sfa and european football authority,.
Now try to get this, It is a FINAL ADJUDICATION, we are RANGERS. always tommyblue

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What European football authority? The ECA are nothing mate, just the old G14. UEFA have said nothing yet.

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05 Jun 2013 22:17:59
Just because there's 78 dafties out there who thought the ASA could somehow settle the old/new debate, that doesn't make the ASA into some kind of authority on the status of The Rangers. And taking their "ruling" now as "proof" for the "same rangers" argument is just as mad as the 78 goons who made the complaint in the first place. That's completely laughable. They didn't rule that new rangers = old rangers, how on earth could they? They have absolutely no jurisdiction over anything remotely football related. They only made a finding in relation to their own rules about advertising. Settles nothing, either way.

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N2 I seen on the celtic rumours they got in touch with asa and if the dims got the answer they thought they would get they were talking about suing rangers for false advertising so that 78 are raging realy sick people

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04 Jun 2013 23:47:36
Can anyone tell me what is happening with humpheys from well? Really hope we sign him as he would have been my number 1 target for us. I feel the players we have signed have been good in the circumstances but don't feel the need to keep signing players for sake of it, we shouldn't sign anymore unless they are young and have potential. A would rather cut back on wages and pump as much as possible into murray park and youth teams than waste money on 2nd rate journeymen, we will cruise this league with current squad! Half budget should go to youth. wake up mccoist, this was our chance to invest in a team 4 years away by investing in 14 year olds now and reap the benefit when we are back in spl/europe but I feel we are going to miss the boat

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Chris Humphrey sign for Preston North End you know that massive English football team. He couldn't wait for us any longer. I don't know why we didn't firm up our initial offer like.

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If Humphreys was so good '& full of potential someone better than PNE would have signed him sorry mate but he won't be a Gers player we have plenty of players who can play on the Wing we need defenders not players who are going to get fouled umpteen times a game.

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He signed for Preston North end yesterday.

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05 Jun 2013 10:32:19
Totally agree OP. The boat is slipping out the harbour whilst mccoist is on the phone wondering where his limo driver has got to.

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05 Jun 2013 10:36:39
agree mate signings first class but youth development is key in future. if the kids don't get a chance now then they never will will they?

any word on stadium improvements btw is it this summer there happening?

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@5 I heard that tradies refusing to work at ibrox until they are paid for the work they have done! I know of companies which are still waiting for payment for work they have done!
Things never change do they!

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Humphrey has too many bad games. He would not be able to deal with the pressure of playing infront of our fans when he has a bad game. We need a consistant Right Mid. McCoist will play little on the right we all know he will.

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Op we will find out if last seasons players were good enough cause we will have played roughly 7 games before we can play any new signings we need players with experience for when we get back to top league ime over the moon with new signings

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07 Jun 2013 01:11:24
@6 can you tell us all of these companys please, or did u make that up? TB

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04 Jun 2013 23:40:17
Peralta, another Gatusso, that will do me.

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04 Jun 2013 23:18:53
not a transfer rumour bt heard rangers fans are going to trying raise 10m for when the club reach the spl think this is a good idea anyone else heard anything on this

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05 Jun 2013 10:40:13
what another share issue or just the fans alone, haven't heard anything maself but if only 5million raised last share issue when we were in desperate strights then why 10million for spl. maybe not realistic in economic climate.

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05 Jun 2013 10:29:57
Cant see it happening.

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Why didn't they raise 10 million for a cva when oldco was going down the pan and everyone thought that was the end of the history at the time? Nonsense.

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Hi mate I think you had this idea and where puting it out there, and making out it was a rumor you heard. Have a day off.

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04 Jun 2013 22:57:59
well baybear that's the season books renewed

Step up and play
each machine seemed to say
as we walk round and round the penny arcade

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Well said les, good man, never let the merchants of doom get you down, In Ally we trust,

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Oh what irony that's what Charlie paid for his shares 1p, so Ibrox is the Penny Arcade.

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We are the people the biggest club in scotland

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