Rangers Banter Archive July 05 2013

 

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05 Jul 2013 21:59:52
share price still dropping. closed today at 52. 5p
not a good sign I fear.
with all the positives coming out of the club ( ST sales, WiFi deals and almost completely new squad) I would have thought a renewed vigour would have appeared in the share price. Maybe lack of accounts are making the market twichy. comments?

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Maybe a game of poker going on with green and co spend spend spend say the money is going they want out
Rangers man moves in [king]
a big game of poker for the soul of Rangers up for stake

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06 Jul 2013 09:55:32
I don't understand how the situation you describe is like poker. Spend spend spend and say ypou want out so someone else can come in and take over the game? When was the last time you played poker mate?

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This is not about Rangers soul, we sold that to the devil when McCoist was appointed, this is about repairing the damage done by the vultures hovering over Ibrox and the lying thieves within the club, to be honest if this is the way Rangers are going to carry on I would rather the club was dissolved than watch Whye, Green, Smith, McCoist etc pick our bones clean

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Look at the trading volume. very few shares are changing hands. when volume starts to increase with a falling share price then you can start to worry

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Number 4. Volume is not a true reflection or indicator of value or sentiment. Volume only applies when shares are put on offer by a seller and somebody buys, hence creating "volume". How do you know how many shares are on the open market available for sale, well you dont. The seller will continue to drop their selling price as they become more desperate to sell. Volume is therefore not that relevant on a downward spiral. Volume is very relevant on an upward spiral.

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@5. And you know how many shares are available!.

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@3 Celtic fan here but feel sorry for guys like you

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05 Jul 2013 22:37:32
does any bears actually agree with me but I think apart from nicky clarke we have signed a load of duds is nicky law any better than ian black etc worried bear watp

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Nicky Law is a much better player than Ian Black he's much calmer & got flair hel chip in with a few goals & set them up. How many games have you seen Clark Play il be honest unless he played in that Ramsdens cup match at Ibrox I've not seen him at all? I'm a huge fan of Jon Daly & think he is the leader & mentor we needed. Where as I think we also needed the hard hitting box player like Peralta although I've not seen much of him. A RB was a necessity & for the 2nd division Fosters a great asset to have I'm my opinion also Bell a very good replacement for NA. I'm worried about our finances aswell pal let's hope we can get rid of Cribari, Argyriou, Black, Hutton, Naismith & Faure (he's young though so "might" improve) I think we're much stronger than last season & in a great position to now play some exciting football.

Larky Bear

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All the players currently on trial at rangers should excell in the second div all bar one are or were top flight players if the can't rip threw the lower leagues they should hang up their boots rangers bringing in these guys after the signings made last term all under a supposed embargo may seem like overkill paying the kind of wages to play part time football seems crazy I mean surely the squad at rangers should have been good enough to breeze all three lower divisions but withh ally at the helm nothing can be taken fir granted plus would you guys turn up to watch that team play thst football again I doubt it winning the league this term is a must or the gates could close for ever this is why the over spend only once rangers reach the top flight will the clubs wage structure reflect the level it plays at this is a gamble rangers must make because any slip up on route will not be tolerated by the support and an extra year away from the potential earnings to be made competing at the top league what ever its called and the chance of european football and the cash thst brings would be a disaster in the long term plans for the club that's why its spend now win now then you may find the clubs coaching and youth system will operate more affectively but for now its simply get the job done no matter the cost
thommyj

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05 Jul 2013 19:13:59
you have kept quiet about this today. I thought you didn't have money worries.

The ousted chief executive - still the biggest shareholder at Ibrox - is calling for urgent changes amid fears of a looming cash crisis at the club.
Green has lodged a legal letter saying ex-chairman Malcolm Murray - described by insiders as his "nemesis" - must be axed as a director.
He also wants Murray's ally Phil Cartmell ditched - and for bus tycoon James Easdale to finally join the board after months of wrangling.
Sources close to Green claim he's even considering returning to run the club in a day-to-day role if changes aren't made.
His demands came in a formal request for an emergency general meeting of shareholders, which the club was examining yesterday.
An insider said: "Charles and other investors are unhappy with how the club is being run - especially the influence Malcolm has.
"There are worries that cash raised in the stock market float last year is being rapidly eaten into. Costs must be cut and revenues raised or Rangers are in trouble.
"But all we see is players being signed and season ticket prices being frozen. "
The move comes weeks after a separate group of investors loyal to Green made similar demands for a crisis meeting.
Green, 60, fronted the consortium which took over Rangers last year but quit as chief exec in April amid claims of links to shamed ex-owner Craig Whyte.
Rangers would not comment last night. Green could not be reached.

shammy

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1st day I've not bought a paper after starting buying them again on Monday basically because works slow at the moment. It's very worrying Shammy I wish Green would just stay away but if he's got to be the man to come in & make cuts so be it it's a must.

Larky Bear

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If it's in the sun must be true. Not

Blue bells are blue

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05 Jul 2013 14:30:38
Season ticket sales have now hit the 30,000 mark, amazing stuff!

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Ed do you think we have serious money worries {Ed001's Note - every club has money worries, I don't think Rangers are in serious danger right now, though a good cup run wouldn't go amiss, I am sure.}

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Well il definately be getting one when public sales open can't wait to get my hands on another one of those smart cards! Emailed the club today I could not register for a Rangers number to get on the waiting list as my details are In the system already from 5 years ago. Anyone else that uses the site getting there 1st or becoming a Season ticket holder again like me when public sales open?

Larky Bear

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Ed while ally is in charge we won't get a good cup run, I'm worried ally is ruining our club not saving it.

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Come on Ed less ambiguity, we should have no money worries, we had clean slate no debt. in the lowest division of Scottish Football, we had 38,000 plus season tickets, we had a positive share issue which brought in around £22 million pounds.
We should be in the black instead of red? If we are running in a negative with such amounts of money at our diposal then ED we should be worried.
Stop putting positive spin on everything or we will end up same as last time. Tell it as it is. OPENESS isn't that what Ally has been saying. {Ed001's Note - every club in the lower leagues struggles, it is purely because of Rangers huge ticket sales that they can continue to operate as they do.}

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Salaries pure and simple

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Sorry to go on Ed but shouldn't our accountants have worked out the costs ratios etc? so that we would be working within budget?
Every club struggles agreed but we should have been able to work to an estimated spend/ take in plan for each season as we travel up the divisions? Who would allow such wages and bonuses for directors management staff knowing costs etc for the division team is playing in?
This is one thing only "legalised theft", if any of the rumours are true and we have lost millions, then we the support have to be told now to allow us the oppurtunity to help our club now, rather than wait until its all gone again and we hit admin owing money. How would we be able to sell that one to Scottish peple? Blinkers need to be taken off quickly. {Ed001's Note - to be honest it is common place for the directors and backroom staff to get those huge bonuses, sadly. It was the original reason for players in England forcing the removal of a wage cap. Directors, in particular, are a huge drain on most clubs' resources, for little actual return, just the same as in every walk of life. I remember Peter Ridsdale and the other directors at Bradford, took out something like 600k pay off each, just prior to putting the club in admin. The same directors that are incapable of managing a budget, are quite capable of funding their lavish lifestyles from within that budget!}

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05 Jul 2013 09:33:57
good to see our ex superstar keeper who was supposed to be the best keeper in the world get his big move this week. he's so rated not one big club came in for him at 1 million. he's resorted to the mighty hull well done greegsy.

also what is it with the enigma that is boyd couple of years ago mcleish wanted him fo 4 million and today he can't get signed on a free even from small spl club.

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I don't know why mcgregor os being slated. He took a 75% wage cut and never got the money back.

I will never forget his finger tip save against werder bremam. Was class for us. Had a poor season, I hope he proves his doubters wrong.

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I think the reason MacGregor never went to a big team is because of all his off field antics and bad press. Personally I think he will get a move after this season as long as he keeps out of trouble

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When was he rated world no 1?

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Allan McGregor is a top quality goalkeeper. He was worth probably 10-15 points per season to us and is consistently a stand-out for Scotland in big games. A move to Hull is a good move for him, a great chance to showcase his talent on the highest level. Stop looking at it through pro-Rangers blinkers. Just because he walked away from the club doesn't change the facts.

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@1 How do you know he had a bad season? Do you watch much Turkish football or are you just talking out of your arse?

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Greegsy was fantastic at Rangers, maybe not quite Andy Goram's level but one of our best ever keepers.

Wish folk would stop pretending otherwise and making out he's some kind of traitor. Neil Alexander stayed on and look at all the thanks he was given by the Rangers board.

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MacGregor was immense at Rangers. All the Best at HULL.

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Op,

Get over the bitterness. Were you not happy to have him as our keeper? He was certainly the best in our league. They do not owe you anything, they are guys earning a living, and have to make the moves that are right for them. Out of interest, how much did you think he was worth when he played for us?

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Slating a guy that has made it to the cashcow they call the epl.
i for one wish him all the best

JG

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On the 17th August he could be playing against Chelsea on the opening day of the season in the biggest cash cow league in the world. You lot are away to Stranraer in Scottish Div2. Why are you slagging him? I think he wins.

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#5 it has been well publicised by the scottish media that he wasnt doing too well and was being blamed by a section of the supporters for their poor performance.

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Vastly over rated goal keeper. Was decent but no more was never going to be picked up by the giants of world football. Just not in that class

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@6 he is a traitor was very well looked after at Ibrox and even with the pay cut made a great living from the club. In the clubs hour of need he deserted us. No one disputes his right to move and no one expected him to stay but he could have at least signed over and had a clause inserted that any bid over £500k and he could move. He would have still got his move and the club would have got some cash. At that time it could have been the difference between survival and death

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He took a pay cut to join hull so he could test himself in epl. If he helps a poor team like hull. The bigger teams will be after him. Remember the penatly save for us to go on and win the title

Blue bells are blue

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@13: nonsense. Calling him and others a traitor just proves your bitterness towards anyone who does what's right for them and their family because it wasn't what you believe was right for a football club.

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@15 sorry but your talking nonsense. He could have easily transferred over with a small buy out clause. He would still have got his move and the club would have got much needed cash. Is that too difficult for u to understand?

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06 Jul 2013 08:15:48
@16: I understand it, of course, but have you ever thought it might not have been that simple. Maybe he and the others were just sick of the whole thing and had legitimate worries about their own financial futures having already taken massive wage cuts. The first thing you'd do is make sure your finances were ok for the future as soon as possible - are you honestly saying you'm have waited around to do that? Would you have put your employer above your family?

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#-5 Mcgregor sacrificed about £300,000 which he was entitled to in a bid to help our club. More than enough help.

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@17 we aren't talking about guys who are on minimum wage here. Some of these guys were earning £25k a week! Even with te wage cut its still considerable more than the average person will earn. These cuts were always going to be temporary and yes it was that simple if they transferred over their contracts. They still would have got their moves, the would still have earned big money and the club would have got some much needed cash.

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07 Jul 2013 07:29:56
@19: you budget based on what you earn so those on big money will have bigger mortgages, cars, possibly school fees and people they pay a wage to - cleaner, accountant etc. That standard of life, whether you think it opulent or not, is what would have been affected so you'd want to sort it for your family as soon as possible so it could stay that way. The money they can earn is ridiculous but the principle is the same for 25k or 500quid a week. Why put your employer who has been paying you much less and is in big trouble before your family? Would you?

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