Rangers Banter Archive August 05 2012
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05 Aug 2012 23:11:54
Did u all know we r getting the blame for the violance at dundee utd euro cup game more important celtic board nd dundee utd board r both pushing the blame in us nd lawell has a friend on uefa nd lawell daughter was working for a lawyer that is now helping celtic
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My god.How many of you actually read that moron leggat? I suggest you read it to the end. The supporters groups need to be asking Green questions instead of tit for tat nonsense.
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You really should have read the end of the leggoland blog you know the bit that says he is at the wind up ,now you just look like a fool,fab1
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To poster 1 "how many of you read that moron leggat"....you must read it if you know where it came from
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Poster 3. It was reprinted on another site,where i read it.Happy?
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05 Aug 2012 23:10:17
RANGERS LOYAL PAGE HAVE POSTED THAT LAWWELLS DAUGHTER WORKS WITH FIRM CARRYING OUT INVESTIGATION ON RANGERS REGARDING EBT
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And why would this surprise anyone it has became obvious the last couple of months how obsessed they are with our destruction. But if true then the law firm in question should be removed immediately. And they tried to say we were corrupt as far as I am concerned if true Celtic should be investigated for basically match fixing by getting rid of your biggest rival therefore guaranteeing the league title in your teams favour
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I would recommend a UEFA independant tribunal but they may go digging further back than the SPL.
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Post 1; laughable,just laughable.This is a law firm of some stature you are talking about here.
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Iv read she was on work placement TWO years ago,was all this planned in advance,for god,s sake grow up.garlar07
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Do you honestly believe that? I'm a Celtic fan, and as much as the majority wanted to see Rangers, or whatever your called, start life in Div 3, in my heart of hearts I know two things...
Firstly: Celtic with Rangers is weaker. The brand suffers, the SPL suffers and over the period, our own European ambitions will suffer.
Secondly: If it was up to Peter Lawwell, Rangers would still be in the SPL. (And the Big Two would have the voting rights they have always had.)
Only the moronic and the naive believe otherwise. If Lawwell's daughter does work for teh company - who cares? Campbell Ogilvie worked for SFA. As far as the EBT's go, Rangers are either guilty or they're not. As for now, they are innocent until proven otherwise. The fact is, alot of Rangers fans are acting like it's a done deal - and it's not. If you are guilty, do you really think it's because Peter Lawwell's daughter works for Harper McLeod? Did she plant evidence?
Two things come from Rangers fans challenging the Legal team, and the like...
a. yet another subsequent delay - making it harder to move on.
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b. an air of guilt.
I'm not saying you are, I'm saying that it will come across as such.
And finally, as for the stripping of titles - who really cares? It's in the past. You still had your helicopter Sunday, you still had those great feelings and bragging rights. Trust me when I say, as a Celtic fan, if you are stripped of the titles in question, the lows I felt upon losing said titles won't go away, and the highs you received, won't be forthcoming. If, again, IF, you are stripped I don't even think Celtic should be awarded them. But that's another debate altogether.
The Patient.
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Sorry your in the state you are in because your board never Paid the bills, when are you going to realise your own people done this to you, stop blaming other clubs for your mess
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Rangers were at it before the SPL, they were at it during the first division years and nine in a row.
Gazza, Hately, Mols, mcCann, laudrup, ... They were all paid tax free on the side.... It's what brought them to Rangers
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Apologies - Celtic WITHOUT Rangers is weaker.
The Patient
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Celtic deserve the titles without a doubt.
It's stripping them from oldco anyway, nothing at all to do with new club, The Rangers.
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@2. That's a cracker. You want a totally independant inquiry by UEFA, but then worry that they may look too deeply and find even more skeletons in the cupboard. Sounds like an admission of guilt to me that there is more dirty laundry waiting to be aired.
So what you really want is an inquiry which does not look too hard and therefore finds nothing.
Al
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Look, people have opinions, we have preferences, some have allegiances and others down right bias. If this firm are to be trusted with the investigation into the alleged duel contract scenario at rangers then they must be beyond suspicion. If they are not, then they should be removed.
Imagine if you will, the SPL announcing the appointment of an independent panel fronted by Walter Smith to decide the issue. You'd be up in arms. And yes, I know it's not quite the same thing but you get the picture.
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Perhaps Donald Findlay QC should get the brief?
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05 Aug 2012 22:51:22
It's time we renamed Ibrox, get the sponsors in we need the cash!
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Great post...I'm all for renaming Ibrox(new name for future debate) because our club will need lots of financial help to win the SPL in 4years time. Losing the name for say 10years is of no importance really, after what we have gone through recently. Geo
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How about CSI GOVAN
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Renaming the ground means nothing, it will always be referred to as Ibrox regardless. Getting some cash in for this seems a good deal to me.
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No one would link their clean company to Ibrox. {Ed039's Note - Away and waffle, have a look on the RFC official website and see the logos of the companies associated with the club)
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Sorry! can't wait to have a go naming a probable future sponsor. What about Orange Stadium or Sky Sports Stadium.
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05 Aug 2012 21:15:53
Rangers want to sign Russell Mael from Santa Monica he said he will make a decision by Thursday {Ed039's Note - I have posted this to show how much p*** the eds need to put up with, Russell mael was from a band called sparks whose biggest hit was this town ain't big enough for the both of us)
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Lol Ed. must get a bit wearing. Keep up the good fight
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Lol Ed, it's almost as ridiculous as The Rangers have oldco's history lol.
Very sympathetic.
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He wont move without his brother russell,would ibrox be big enough for the both of them,garlar07
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05 Aug 2012 21:34:58
Friend of mine works in the high court in Edinburgh. There has been an action raised which if found will have major implications and impact on the new rangers. She says it has to do with insider dealing {Ed039's Note - Very good, I am sure it would have made the papers or Alex Thompson would be jumpin up and down if this were true)
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Nah mate nit buying it sorry lol. Good try though.
Dtp89
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ED why would alex thompson be umping up& down??you another one who thinks he has an agenda against the oldco??stevo {Ed039's Note - Where have you been Stevo, you really are a tube, look at his twitter feeds, of course he has an agenda)
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Bolloc*ks,he has more credability than any of the scottish media who over the years cosied up too murray& fed of any his little snippets for them too publish,ya pleb!!!(dish it out ,take it back lol)stevo {Ed039's Note - Stevo, you are a tube man, plain and simple, have a look, is it unbiased journalism from him, have a look and you will get an answer)
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05 Aug 2012 20:58:05
Rangers fans question EBT probe appointment by SPL
05 August 12 17:19
Rangers fans groups have objected to the appointment of Harper MacLeod to investigate claims against the club's previous owners.
The Glasgow firm were instructed by the Scottish Premier League to probe allegations of dual contracts.
But a joint statement from three fans groups has questioned the process that could lead to the stripping of titles.
"Harper MacLeod have acted for Celtic FC, who would be the main beneficiaries of any finding of guilt," they state.
"Indeed, until it was recently removed, they included a testimonial from Celtic CEO Peter Lawwell on their website.
Talk about mass hysteria and paranoia. Calling into question an independent legal partnership because they previously did a job for another club. Lol. I'm sure Harper Macleod would not taint their reputation by delivering anything but excellence on this piece of high profile work.
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Yep, a load of rubbish. Solicitors can be struck off for acting in a conflict of interest.
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The supporters groups would be better advised to try and extract financial information from Mr Green.
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HARPER MacLEOD ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. CELTIC MINDED!!
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@3) lol so paranoid.
I guess the independent legal investigators should be appointed by Rangers fans?
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Lawyers can be struck off in the same way as Administrators, so that means none of them are crooked ?
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Do you Celtic fans expect us to accept any investigation,without protest, from a firm being instructed by Lawless/Celtic/Spl? "Celtic family" comes to mind. Geo
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Don't forget Lord Hodge has ruled that D & P's have to prove that they haven't acted in a conflict of Interest.
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Is it too much bother for the SFA to appoint an independent and SEEN TO BE independent law firm?!?This harper mcleod lot stink. A better idea would be a panel made up of football people that have nothing to do with our anti-rangers football goldfish bowl in Scotland. People in England and further afield (Bonhoff for instance) can't believe what's happened and how poorly the situation has been "managed" by the authorities.
An independent panel of football people from abroad would conclude that stripping of titles for dubl contracts is nonsense and completely disproportionate. Stripping of honours is exceptional. Something like direct match fixing is worthy of that sort of sanction, not what Rangers did or didn't do. Christ, Marseille never got the European Cup taken off them. No objectivity/ common sense in this hate driven anti-rangers agenda our mickey mouse football "authorities" are pushing. Whatever happens, they were won on the park, and you can't change history.
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I agree with the original post and the rfc supporters trust.
After the debacle of the SPL & SFA making a prolonged ar*e of things & and their attempt to force the SFL clubs to shoehorn etc into div 1 I think a randomly chosen lawyer from England should have been chosen.
I know there is a Celtic minded people at Harpers and they have worked for Celtic in some capacity
Absolutely shocking
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@8) your arguments are really very poor mate. The investigation has to be carried out by experts in Scottish law. Stop whingeing about due process when u know there is prima facie evidence of guilt already. Rangers fixed the SPL for 12 years although they only won 5 and Celtic 8.
I'd wager your probably one of the unreasonable ultras who think Charles Green's new club has somehow magically got the history of the old incorporated club being liquidated.
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05 Aug 2012 20:15:02
Anybody know when supporters vessal leaving for petedhead!
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The Waverley leaves a Glasgow quay three days before. It gets back three days after. It's billed as a '5 star' cruise with complimentary Asda pakora and tennents Govan champagne.
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The Peterhead jail is already full of Scotland's most serious criminals.
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Poster 2 does that mean celtics director box will be empty next week lol doug t.s.o
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05 Aug 2012 19:31:35
Rangers season
3rd Divison-champions
Ramsdens Cup-champions
Scottish Cup-quarter finals
Leauge Cup-semis
your thougts bears? post what you think we will win
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For gods sake lets win things before we start bragging about things
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3rd Div agree,
Ramsdens Cup = unsure,
Scottish Cup = if Rangers are still in the tourney when the spl clubs are entered then it will be a draw against Celtic, at Smeltic Park to keep them from moaning about being drawn away all the time. Don't know what the result will be.
League cup = quarters/semis.
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Falkirk will bump new Rangers out Ramsdens cup at next match.
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I would settle for 3rd champs
the rest is tbh, hopeful at best
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05 Aug 2012 19:05:50
East Stirling lost 5-1 today to Morton, will rangers score 10 in a natch this season?
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Wow what an acheivment that would be.
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I would think the average home score will be around 6 goals. Some easy money to be made off the bookies here, I got undefeated league season and 100 goals. {Ed039's Note - I have put same bet on)
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Lets just win the games and get 3 points on the board wether it be 1 nil or 10 nil.
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Just win the games 1nil, I didn't know Walter smith used this site.
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Loving the optimism but let's not forget,et at brechin,we don't have alot of firepower right now,and teams will park the bus at ibrox and hope to get aqy with a pointl.let's just win first and foremost
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Celtic will probably score 100 league goals this season , but ours will be in a real league , not the pub league !!
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05 Aug 2012 18:42:04
Want to congratulate Ed039, you are fighting our corner well, i like your style
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Disgraceful. Eds are supposed to be independent, not offer unsolicited comment and keep their emotions and personal bias to themselves. {Ed039's Note - I am independent, but I am also entitled to an opinion just like everyone else, if I disagree with someone I am entitled to say it and I can be quite stubborn but again, I am entitled to say just exactly like everyone else and at the end of the day keep debates going)
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Good shettleston man same as myself lol cmon the town lol doug t.s.o {Ed039's Note - At least I had the sense to move though doug lol)
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Well said ed.
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Thought you were an ayrshire guy doug? or is that the nursing home for the permanently bewildered?
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Wtf? Haha. Looks like you've made a Wee enemy there ED mate.
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Poster 4 ,no gallowgate man originally ,my travels have been many parkheid ,shettleston ,tollcross ,carntyne ,corby ,,dennistoun ,and at present 2 houses ( newton mearns and ayrshire ) doug t.s.o {Ed039's Note - Newton means and Ayrshire, big difference from parkhead and shettleston doug)
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Poster 4 forgot to mention my girlfriends an ex nurse ,and you know what their like lol doug t.s.o
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Hi ed 39 shettleston ,parkheid ,tollcross were outside cludgies ,well shows you what some hard graft and effort can do ,but you never forget your roots ,same old dougie boy lol doug t.s.o
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05 Aug 2012 18:34:30
Rangers given another 2 year added to our europe ban so thats 5 year ban and were due to get a 1 million fine. Administration just round the corrner
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Explanation please. {Ed039's Note - I never seen this post, what a load of nonesense)
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Absolute b****cks where do you find this nonsense !
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What?
You have seen the headline elsewhere but didn't read it, it's a joke!
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Where did you hear this rubbish?
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UEFA penalties coming through?
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He heard it on another website. And the author said at the end of it. It's a wind up.
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If your gonna quote an idiot like leggat read the whole article. Nonsense.
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I heard that too {Ed039's Note - It's a wind up)
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P/sh stained alky trying to stir things up again on his sad website . I would think even Rangers fans wouldnt even take this bigot serious....dangerous man .......DH
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05 Aug 2012 18:26:18
as well play our first league away on the 11th
can someone tell me when the away top comes out?
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05 Aug 2012 17:52:56
Flag unfurling day.
Celtic v's Aberdeen
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Celtic fans just don't do turning up.
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Flag unfurling day 2010
Rangers v Kilmarnock
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We don't do walking away.
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Why should you be concerned, OP?
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Maybe the fans didnt realise that as they are not used to such an occasion lol doug t.s.o
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Ha ha,over 150k people in a couple of weeks mate,Green would kill for that kind of income.Never mind big clash with East Fife for you.
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What does Celtic attendance have do with a 3rd Division club, sour grapes i think!
Honest man 1910
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Checking SPL attendances for Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th of August,Ross County was in percentage terms the best supported game versus Motherwell at 4828 which equates to 83.2% second was Celtic v Aberdeen at 48251 which equals 79.3%,this for a match where Celtic unfurled the league flag and Aberdeen have been very vociferous as a club in filling stadia.Hearts and St.Johnstone did quite well with an attendance of 13022 equal to 72.3% of the stadiums capacity.For St.Mirren against Inverness a paltry 4104 supporters turned up 36.8% of the ground capacity,Kilmarnock versus Dundee was even worse with a measily 6523 turning out to watch a no scoring draw which is equal to 35.9% of the ground capacity.Dundee Utd. and Hibs another paltry attendance of 7627 or 51.1% of ground capacity.So much for supporting your team?I for one am heading to Ibrox tomorrow Monday to renew my season ticket and buy my ticket for Tuesday nights game.The SPL are kidding themselves that they can survive,it is a toss up between Aberdeen,Hearts and the two Dundee clubs if they can last another season and that even with all the cost cutting measures they are all ready having to put in place.Celtic are the only SPL club sure of survival but even their resources will be sorely stretched,hence Lawell,s begging letter.So gers fans do i have utmost faith in Green,truthfully no but we must stick together as brothers and ensure the Rangers ride the storm and the hate and not only survive but become even stronger.
stadia {Ed039's Note - It really doesnt matter)
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As you keep telling us your studium is 10,000 bigger,
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@7 true but you'll find that there are hardly ever any bums on them, waste of space.
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100,000 in four days is not bad considering its still the holidays, wait till you see the 20,000 at ibrox on Wednesday {Ed039's Note - Wednesday? Good attendance for there not even being a game)
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@8: you obviously haven't checked the figures then.
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You want a crowd comparison that's easy to make? Rangers Champs League qualifier last season 28,000, Celtic this year 53,000, enjoy.
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Your a bit touchy ed39, i only got the date wrong but usually do with d3 teams :-P
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My dugs bigger than ur dug
FFS!
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The Broomloan will not be required for the next 3 seasons !
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05 Aug 2012 17:50:14
I have a friend who did the Ibrox
tour less than 1.5hrs ago and she
said there was an unknown Brazilian
kid tailing her, watch this space {Ed039's Note - I wonder how much he paid for the tour. Do the tours actually run on a Sunday?)
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Hmm, would have thought that a trialist would have been given the tour by a player liaison, not as part of a public group. Of course, if there was a tour today, it's possible that a Brazilian tourist (how did she know he was from Brazil?), was also on it......
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Friend of mine (from australia) who is over there while her son is trialing with several clubs, all I can say is she went there today and this is what she has said, personally I didn't think they did tours on Sundays but she just posted the pictures on her FB page, along with a picture of my brick I bought in december when i was over for the old firm game, didn't say it was true just posting what she posted
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It's that Neymar rumour again. It just won't go away. Oscar went to Chelsea. So who else would turn up at Scotland's 4th tier in football? {Ed039's Note - lol)
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Sorry I bothered to post, you guys must make a lot of friends and bring people to your site, I simply posted what she said, I never said it was Neymar, I gave you links to the page, so how can someone DISAGREE to her being at Ibrox on the tour today? I thought it was a interesting RUMOUR, I think she has more important things with her sons career to worry about than to make up total bulls**t. {Ed039's Note - Calm down guy, I only asked do they actually do tours on a Sunday? I seen your brick at Ibrox on your facebook page as well)
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ED039; Im shocked! you seen his p..oh sorry Brick at ibrox.Phew! {Ed039's Note - Lol)
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Love it when all the doommongers on this "Rumour" !! Page get silenced . Well played reporter there is a Brazilian currently at Rangers just now "Emilson Cribari" . Not so much of an apology to the poor guy who was ridiculed for his post . Well done poster ur "s**t" rumour has just become fact . Let's c how many are big enough to offer u an apology ??
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05 Aug 2012 17:18:55
All these rumours of sightings at ibrox are a pile of sh**! Rangers do deals at MURRAY PARK NOT IBROX only time u see players there is on matchdays going in and coming out so stop with the bulls***!
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Yes, Rangers did their deals at Murray Park. But where do The Rangers do theirs? {Ed039's Note - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
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05 Aug 2012 16:34:16
whats happening with this seasons
away strip? considering we have peterhead on
saturday away and they play in blue.
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Peterhead could always loan gers a top. Ha.
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What like St Anthony's did for Celtic? Because that's when Celtic started wearing the hoops, they travelled to paisley for a game and the jerseys never turned up, a loan was arranged from The Ants and if you know your history lol
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Poster 2 .like most of their games so far this season ,the jerseys turned up but the players didint lol doug t.s.o
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05 Aug 2012 16:16:49
Well there is another nail in the coffin of the reports that season ticket sales are up around the country. Following on smeltic, hearts and st mirren, dundee utd had a crowd of 7267, while their average was 7482 last season. Ah well I suppose that crowd was more than the number of viewers!
Sorry the only club to have an increase was Kilmarnock (and probably Ross County naturally)with 6523 yeaterday and 5537 last season. But then again they were the only club to indicate a possibility of voting for the newco and eventually abstained, having received boycott threats from other clubs' supporters.
So all the big mouth supporters have got to put up or shut up!
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Maybe many fans are still on holiday or didn't that possibility cross your bitter mind? {Ed039's Note - When I go on holiday I give someone my ticket to use)
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Your facts and figures are rubbish as are your comments . Let's get back to supporting our own team and leave the rest to their own devices
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And ibrox will be full on tuesday i suppose?
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@2 you're right about the facts and figures, they're from the spl website.
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Utd were one of the teams that commented when asked by media on an increase in season tickets sales this year and gave number unlike certain others.
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United fan here... you're post is irrelevant and I think we'd all be better. placed to wait until the season is over if you're looking at average attendances. to establish what the impact is...
United have sold 350 more season tickets than last season. thats an increase of 7%. I think thats an achievement considering the uncertainty surrounding the game as a whole. A lesser man or someone from the darkside might ask how many season tickets have you sold compared to last year, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt until your club is stabilised and we can more fairly assess the. loyalty of ur support.
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@3 There is a rumour that Rangers are opening the Club Deck,which they weren't going to.They're trying to sell out the stadium.So yeah.
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05 Aug 2012 14:35:30
Papers this morning showing Charles Green has. Brought in Craig Whyte's good friend into Ibrox to attract investment.
Whyte is undeniably still involved (probably still the real owner through liberty capital, Merchant House, Imran ? Relationship) and secondly investment is heavily needed, running out of funding.
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I wouldn't look too much into it!
Craig Whyte ain't involved in anything
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If I was George Smiley the spy, I'd just shrug this off as a coincidence.
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Whyte is involved, said it two months ago Whyte and Green are together.
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I'm sure if we did the 6 degrees of seperation thing we could link up up desmond Or lawell to whyte somewhere?
that would be fun
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05 Aug 2012 14:52:11
So could it be true that 6 different people own ibrox ?. And what does this mean ? good or bad news, me I think it's the owners way of protecting their investment. Giovanni di stefano says he will name all 6 soon, but needs to make some phone calls first. Why have Rangers fans stopped asking questions about Green, certain websites have been quiet and likes of the trust and assembly have slipped into a coma. Sometimes pulling the cover over your head and pretending the bogey man isn't ther is the wrong thing to do.**.
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The supporters groups have been a disgrace since Murray was there.It seems they get invited into Ibrox for a cup of tea and a custard cream,get patted on the head and sent on their way.The questions around Green must never stop,the latest being this guy Park,what a wonderful business record this guy has! Plenty of timmy sites do the research why cant any fan groups? All these guys are linked,in some way,back to Whyte. Six degrees of separation etc.Believe it or not the worst might be ahead.
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The ground is split into 6 different deeds at lad registry, not necessarily 6 different owners. He hasn't published the names because they comfirm Green's consortium own it which spoils his conspiracy theory. Same crap was being spouted by Bomber Brown pants and he went quiet when Green and Murray produced proof of ownership at supporters meeting. Ignore these t***s, just a distraction, let's get on with the football now.
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05 Aug 2012 12:52:57
instead of putting our money to sky/virgin every month for sky sports(mine about£70 )im gonna just keep the money cancel it and go to the games again and support the gers home and away.its time i just stood up and be counted!we are the people...plus the away days are better! now.any more like the same? cp
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I am not taking out a subscrition as it is money to the spl teams. Intend making my way over to Ibrox starting on Tuesday night.
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@1: your subscription money doesn't matter now the deal has been signed. And anyway, don't Rangers get money from the TV deal?
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@2 What a load of tosh! Do you think sky/espn are forking out £50m, paying for all the coverage costs, just so that they don't get anything in return? They are trying to sell a product and without RFC they were joe the toff.
subscription money doesn't matter? then why charge it?
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@2: the deal is signed and won't be dependent on future subscriptions. Didn't you work that out? Sky/ESPN can't go back to the SPL/SFL and say they need to change the deal because Rangers fans aren't subscribing - don't be daft.
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05 Aug 2012 11:59:27
Anyone. Know how many tickets been sold for tuesdays game hopefully big crowd show our support for ally and the team who have stuck by us!watp
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I have a ibrox loyal page on ma its saying around the 20.000 mark
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I've bought 4tickets yesterday and the lassie at the desk says its very slow
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Anything above the 20,000 mark is good.
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05 Aug 2012 11:49:48
lets take a wee poll bears
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if you will be on ESPN
today for the ''big game''
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i'm am the first disagree, i'm off to the beach with my dark sunglasses on
JG {Ed039's Note - I'll be watching the olympic tennis)
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Team GB tennis
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I'll be watching the game, it's still scottish football and needs all of our support and backing. To all the idiots going on about boycotts blah blah blah bullsh*t!!! We need a strong league for us to come back to and the Bears that are spouting this garbage are not football fans.
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And your point is? Why would you want to watch another team anyway? Oh, and by the way are all sunglasses not dark?
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Incidentally no-one cares about whether Sevco fans will be watching "the big game". Don't worry as it will be years before you play these big teams anyway!
Away and enjoy your weekend football free, like most of you glory hunters will be in November, December and January. We will only see decent attendances at ibrokes when you have won the league and the glory hunters return!
Honest man 1910
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I'm going with ed on this one, the tennis sounds far better.
GovanFR
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I wil be watrching the tennis. The sole reason i have espn is for the ufc though will also watch the rangers games when they are on now aswell. I for one will not be canceling my sky sports or espn subscriptions as i have them for more purposes than spl football and boycotting them aint going to make a blind bit of difference to the scottish football deal.
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05 Aug 2012 11:22:42
I hope all the give Green a chance supporters read the paper. Jim Park,twice bankrupt and a director of a series of failed companies,now appears to have his feet under the boardroom table.
Apparently Green knew nothing of his connection to lifelong friend Whyte,Aye right! So at best Green has a Whyte cohort hawking shares in Rangers? Good due dilligence there Charlie! Can anybody just pitch up and try and sell Rangers shares? At worst,who knows,but it seems Whyte is far from finished with his work at Ibrox.
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Whyte still owns Rangers through liberty capital. He held a £26m secured creditor status over the assets and put the assets beyond creditors during liquidation.
He did not just quietly hand them over to Green for £1 plus £1 profit. Who's kidding who?
£120m assets for £2 yeah right!
Whyte is also very very wealthy.
What has happened has always been the plan stiff 276 creditors and the taxpayer for £140m debt, save the assets and sneak £30m out before liquidation bring it back in after liquidation.
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Have you read story mate and not just
looked at headlines. " NOT AN EMPLOYEE
DIRECTOR OR INVESTOR IN THE CLUB",
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Whyte could only benefit via a sale and CVA. He won't get anything now oldco being liquidated.
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So I fully expect Green to sack Jim Park now this revelation has been disclosed. At the least it was insensitive of Park not to inform Green of his relationship with Whyte.
If u believe that! Personally I think green is lying again. {Ed039's Note - Then that would be a lawsuit, I dont think that would be a reason to sack someone)
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05 Aug 2012 11:02:16
Their first title in 4 years, title flag day and approx 20% of their support doesn't bother to turn up.
Where have all the new season ticket holders gone? or is it a case that any new season ticket sales are to fans who would be there anyway and no new supporters through the gate?
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Why are you worried about Celtic?
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What a load of nonsense. Were in a recession or did you not notice? The big attendances for both clubs will be few.
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Maybe they were all away waving their Union flags whilst supporting Team GB? ;o)
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They dont do turning up ....or maybe they were all out buying school uniforms
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We will have made about a MILLION more than newco this week. and that is a very sad fact for you to digest. shamrock
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Sorry i forgot about the helsinki game . £2m more than you this week. shamrock
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@4: or maybe on holiday like many people in Scotland?
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Poster 6 ,you had better make the million you got from helsinking game last ,cos you wont be getting anymore lol doug t.s.o
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@5 woohoo who's flashing the cash now eh?
Still doesn't take away from a p!sh poor attendance yesterday, 48,251 and according to you that's with an increase of season ticket sales, aye right.
No wonder you forgot about the helsinki game, banana skin exit heading your way.
Anyway while am on Team GB Andy Murray going for gold, again, good luck.
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Doug,sorry to burst your sad wee bubble but theres a chance of the Europa league if helsinki go through.Green would kill for a million quid.Now make sure you attend the glamour East fife tie.
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Poster 10 canny move now for laughing well it could have been the big meal i had in coias in duke st ,dont you worry my cards been swiped for the game on tuesday night ,you could come in your disguise ,promise i wont tell your mates lol doug t.s.o
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#6 come wednesday night you may well wish you had forgotten about the Helsinki game.
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05 Aug 2012 10:10:37
Speaking of Mr McCoist, Mr Smith said “It has taken its toll on him and you can tell that with some of the statements that he made which were born out of frustration.”
We just need to remember then that anytime Ally is frustrated he says things that have a venomous within our support and as such innocent people get caught in the crossfire ie "who are these people" next thing "these people" are getting death threats and police surveillance!
I fear Ally will embarrass us on an unprecedented scale when the SPL start stripping titles and trophies.
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Wouldn't have Ally's job at the moment for all the tea in China
One thing puzzles me he says he won't accept any stripping of titles Worst case scenario it happens just what can he do ?
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If you want to see an embarresment for a manager you dont have to look very far across the city, how that guy is allowed anywhere near a dugout after his performances last year is beyond belief. Sporting integrity dont make me fn laugh, We wont have long too wait until he kicks off again, always cheated never defeated.
and do yourself a favour OP take time to watch and listen to allys statements on the website not as reported in the papers
JG
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Your a f***!ng idiot! *ksd*
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JG,it seems to me that your hatred for lennon is never very far from the surface. A gers fan stating what he thinks and you jump in with Lennon? Very strange,and telling i think.
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Original poster: you are clueless.
GDog
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05 Aug 2012 09:51:43
This week we have learnt that Imran Ahmed, Sevco Finance Director has had numerous business connections with Whyte and that he's done consultancy work for Ticetus's parent group, Octupus.
Now we have Jim Park who is best mate with Whyte Snr and Whyte Jnr onboard the Sevco train "consulting"and was sitting close to Green at Brechin!
This is only going to end in one way; our tears yet again.
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I reckon CW's plan was New Company stuff because he inherited around 100m debt from Murray could do nothing about it so has got some Friends ie Green given them money and they will run the club proparly CW said he would invest if we won the TAX case we never but I think he is behind it all Green knows what he's doing
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05 Aug 2012 09:38:31
Sevco are running the club at a loss just now as no where near enough season tickets have been sold.
How long do you think it will be before sevco go into administration? {Ed039's Note - Who are Sevco?)
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We were always going to have to take a hit , green knows that , fans know that... just other teams fans seem to think we dont know that ,, why do u think fans have waited hours at ticket kiosk to make sure that hit isnt massive and know that WE WILL ALWAYS STAND BY OUR TEAM.
craig+babybear
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Ed if you dont know who servco are why did you print the post ? the guy might have been mixed up and be looking for THE RANGERS sight you know the new team in d3,fab1 {Ed039's Note - You are a numpty? I know who Sevco were, they have gone through a formal name change and are now The Rangers Football Club Ltd, or Rangers for short, you seem a little obsessed with this page today mate, nothing exciting happening wi your own team?)
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Ed the minute some one mentions the fake company name why publish it we know who they are let them follow their own team and stop obsessing over the greatest team in the history of Scotland {Ed039's Note - I need to post it to get my point/dig in)
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Post 3; The greatest team in history? Are you mad?
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Ed039, I don't believe you bit at the sevco mention. It's late in the season and normally difficult to cast a fly and catch a big fat wise trout in August.
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@5. or are you the big wet fish on the end of his line...mark.
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05 Aug 2012 08:51:31
rangers have a brilliant training facilty yet we can not produce good quality youngsters surley we must do suming about this and clear the coaches out and get new ones in that can bring these young players on and same goes for scouts we need widen our search for talent
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I think you have made a very good point.
I also think that scottish football has paid lip service to youth development-hence the poor state. Can anybody name any club who has produced good quality youngsters over the past ten years in scotland? I can't. Maybe Hibs came close about 5 or 6 years ago.
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Alan Hutton made Rangers £9m. Danny Wilson £5 million. Charlie Adam made us about £1 million. Three players have paid for the creation of Auchenhowie.
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Them 3 players paid the 10 million but it costs 5 millon a year to run, 5x12 years is 60 million, Murray park is nowhere near been paid for total waste of money.
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Youth coaching at Rangers and Scotland has been a little employment niche for former rangers players/ trainers. Just because you played for The club doesn't make you a leader of teacher, a youth development professional.
Bomber Brown being an example of totally the wrong kind of guy to be anywhere near youth development facilities.
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02 Aug 2012 21:53:48
Ed: what happens if, after the independant group find against Rangers for the duel contracts and they press for expulsion or banning the club from taking part in professional football for this season, what happens to all the people who have renewed their season books?
What is to stop Mr Green closing up sho and walking away with all the money taken in after his pr onslaught?
Maybe that was what Brown was alleging too?
what's your thoughts?
Bill {Ed039's Note - I dont think they will even be looking for expulsion, it will be stripping of titles)
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This so called independant enquiry will find RFC guilty, Harper Mcleod will see it through.
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Television deals will ensure Rangers are not suspended or expelled from anything. If you look at the SPL crowds yesterday you will see how dependant SPL clubs are now on telly money. Looks like all the laptop owners stayed at home !
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@2)....it's an independent enquiry with independent punishment levied to match the crime. Stripping titles isn't punishment at all, that's setting the record straight. Punishment to follow thereafter.
Independent means independent of SFA and TV companies. Tv contracts won't come into it. {Ed039's Note - If you believe that then you are the most deluded person that has ever posted here)
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Ed039, so you're saying it's not an independent enquiry and that justified and balanced punishments for strategically financially doping the game over 12 years cannot be levied due to tv contracts. Hence the governing body has corrupted itself to go easy on Rangers? {Ed039's Note - Thats the way it looks, all I am saying is that Scottish Football would be in an even worse place than it is now financially if Rangers were expelled from the SFA, and I think these people will be smart enough to realise this and a decision will be made on this basis. And dont start the "Scottish Football would thrive without Rangers" because look what has happened since the last batch of comments like that. Teams will sink or swim, and they know how many will sink)
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05 Aug 2012 00:48:12
I posted on here that the following would happen without Rangers in a SPL :
1) reduction in tv income.
2) several clubs in admin by Christmas
3) Collapse of euro co-efficient
4) huge crowd reductions at reduced prices
So far there is a reduction in tv money although yet to see the figures. I suggest they will be significant.
Our co-efficient is taking a hammering and will only get worse. I don't expect any of the teams to progress and this is first year of our exclusion. Only Rangers have done anything for our co-efficient. Imagine where it will be by our return, after four years of reduced income. Reduced income means lesser players, means more gubbings.
The crowd at Killie today was 6000. Last year the Killie v Rangers was 15000. I also checked the ticket prices for Dundee game and they were £9 per ticket lower price than they charged us.
The only one not yet to happen is admin by Christmas, and it is four and a half months to Christmas.
Let me also say that the fans who threatened their own clubs with boycotts if the allowed us entry to SPL realise what they have done to the Scottish game. Where we're they all today?
And Green is correct, it was caused by bigotry, not necessarily religious bigotry, but certainly bigotry. The definition is "intolerance of creed, beliefs or an opinion that does not match one's own".
Today was the beginning of a slow death for our game caused by bigotry of fans against Rangers. Whilst I have no desire to see Scottish football die, it's not good but it's all we have, but die it will.
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Yes the grim reaper will be visitng the lot of them for xmas doug t.s.o
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While the tims win at Porkyheid, the attendance was 48251 which is 12581 less than capacity and surprising as this was their first league title in 4 years also less than their average home crowd for last season.
Now there is no point blaming someone else like the sheepshagers cos the tims were on here gloating that the sheepshagers had sold out their allocation.
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Found this part of an article re scottish football-
Scottish football has been in the financial doldrums for years, so the prospect of a minimum of three SPL seasons without one of the Glasgow giants will ensure that finances get even tighter.
The demotion of Rangers led to the league's new (but unsigned) five-year £80m broadcasting deal with BSkyB and ESPN being axed, which, after much wrangling, was replaced days before the start of the SPL season by an agreement thought to be worth around £50m to the 12 SPL teams over the same period.
Meanwhile, a likely drop in match-day revenues with clubs no longer able to ink in two home sellouts each season when Rangers visit, means that football finance experts calculate the cost to each club will typically be around £1m a season. That may sound trivial when compared with the numbers bandied around the English Premier League, especially after a week in which Manchester United has launched a $3.3bn (£2.1bn) flotation, but in Scotland it represents a significant slice of most clubs' budgets.
Of the 12 clubs in the top flight, only Celtic reported turnover of greater than £8m in their last financial year, while the loss of £1m a year would have been enough to push four of the five SPL clubs that actually booked a 2011 profit back into the red. In total the 12 SPL clubs collectively lost £1.1m after tax last year, although that included a £1.7m profit by Dundee, which was the result of a credit in its accounts following the club going into administration. Finances were so tight at four clubs (Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United and Hearts) that their auditors felt the need to add a "going concern" comment to the accounts, essentially meaning the accountants have some doubts the clubs can continue in business in the foreseeable future.
"There will be far more of those going-concern notices in the next set of accounts [for the financial year ending June 2012]," said one insider at an SPL club. "Let's be honest, the banks run Scottish football now."
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Killie v Rangers game last year crowd first fixture at Rugby Park Nov 11 was 9500 not 15000 get facts right
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What are you drinking only two teams need bigotry
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Prove you said it, i don't believe you. shamrock
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Sadly you are probably spot on with your predictions.There was a concerted electronic campaign waged against Rangers by hate filled opposition fans , nothing to do with sporting integrity that fact will be highlighted many times throughout the forthcoming season when fans will find ways to justify their own players and clubs every time they let the mask slip.I live in England and have watched Scottish football slowly fade under the bright lights of the EPL.Rangers needed to be punished for their wrongdoings but did we have to take action that seriously weakened the game itself .Spite can become a very self destructive trait sadly there is so much of it aimed at rangers the perpetrators cannot see the damage they are doing.Celtic are the only side likely to get through the first qualifiers and that is only if they can play well away from home .The people who are actually paid well to run Scottish football will have some serious work to do at the end of this season when the impact of their decision is felt by many including Celtic.
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The people leading the calls for boycotts wre initially all rangers supporters? indeed most rangers supporters are still calling for ongoing boycotts. the fact that the people against whom those boycotts were targetted then reacted shouldn't surprise you surely? unless as always you wish life to be a one way street as perceived by rangers guys of course. any demise of scottish football, any deminishing of scottish football is all down to one party - rangers. oh for the day when even one rangers supporter could acknowledge and accept that. no chance there, eh?
and bigotry? unreal. the majority of rangers supporters are very comfortable in singing anti-catholic hate filled songs. stop singing those please - then turn your attention to others, until then you would be well advised to remain silent.
oh, and i am not a celtic guy - just yet another disgusted viewer of this hideous nonsense.
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@3 Did this come from a Rangers website? It doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Rangers were not demoted to Div 3.
No team can ink in 2 home sellouts against rangers due to the split. Four of the bottom six teams (St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen and Hibernian) had just one home tie v Rangers.
The £1.1m loss of a fraction of the figure had Rangers been included in the calculation at the time of going into administration.
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5) & 8) - not my fault that you don't understand the definition of bigotry. And please don't suggest most Rangers fans are comfortable with the songs. Totally untrue, there is no doubt that there are an element that are but they are a small minority, usually daft boys who don't know better.
Unfortunately I would suggest that your narrow minds think that bigotry is proddie and tim stuff, well it's not and I helped you out with real definition. Perhaps a view into your own beliefs?
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Here, disgusted, you may be but viewer, never. If you'r actually been looking at what's been going on, there is no way you'd have posted that tripe.
Hideous nonsense indeed.
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I would suggest 49,000 at Celtic Park yesterday was a huge success considering this economy. Money is tight.
Just because Celtic Park was designed for over 60,000 that was to exploit that demand when appropriate. Never expected to be consistently full. Will Ibrox have 49,000 today? {Ed039's Note - Today?)
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Poster 12 who the f designed the new parkhead must have designed the red road flats and looks whats happening to them lol doug t.s.o
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04 Aug 2012 15:40:09
All these muppets on here shoutin they won't be back at Ibrox coz charles green says this or that is a disgrace. I for one are glad u won't be back, all you are is glory hunters anyway. We need real fans at Ibrox every week n this is somethin some of you are clearly not. U do not know the meaning of the word SUPPORTER! I like to call yous Rangers CRITCISERS! Wouldn't surprise me if some of you are wearin green this season! Away bk under your rocks n we will gee u a shout in a few year!
RANGERS TILL I DIE!
Agreed, got my ticket today. We are Rangers and they need our support more than ever.
What an incredibly stupid post.Green has been caught lying on various details,and is now playing to the gallery.Dont you think after Murray and Whyte people have a right to be slightly sceptical? There is also a strong rumour him and Ally are not even on speaking terms.
Well said mate,it's just an excuse to not buy a ticket! The guys sticking around and sorted out an absolute mess! He could also have decided that we should go for D1 players etc and put a wage limit of about 2 k for new signings but he is trying his best o get some quality as he knows we deserve it. Give the guy a chance
So fn what mr green says or the money he is going to make ,or whos tied in with this and that company ,the main thing is we are up and running again and we,l be coming down the road doug t.s.o
Totally agree with this, at the time the club needs its supporters the most it seems as though people are finding any excuse not to put money into the club. Now I dont 100% trust Charles Green yet but at least he stepped up and tried to save us in our time of need and after failing is trying to rebuild the club, and from what I have seen so far I think he is doing a decent job minus some ridiculous statements. I have already renewed my season ticket in the Broomloan where I have sat since I was a boy and was my late dads old seat before mine, and as the op already said anyone not ready to back the club then good ridance to them. I for one will continue going to Ibrox every other Saturday no matter what division, who the owner or what players are on the pitch because Rangers is my football team and thats what a true suporter of the club would do!!!
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As a celtic fan ...get out and buy your season tickets or you will be back in administration and then it will take many more years back. Missing you already, just not the same
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People like you are the reason why rangers are in this place in the 1st place, bet you were one of the ones last year that said, GIVE CRAIG WHYTE A CHANCE, your the real muppets.
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Why are people like him to blame they spend their money to support the team it's not their fault corrupt people like whyte turn up or Murray we are just working class fans who pay our money and hope that the people in charge are above board
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