Rangers Banter Archive May 04 2013

04 May 2013 22:49:32
drink at football, can buy it all over england
80,000 in seville fair play award and zero arrests. drink does not create an person, persons don't need drink to be an person. it occurs naturally.
there are thousands of you bears out there that have gone everywhere and never caused or been involved in violence. because like me you are a nice person.
i can drink all day and never want to fight.
it's not the drink, it's the person. shammy

Zero arrests in Seville, according to who? The truthful Celtic fans say otherwise, there wad plenty of trouble that the Scottish press hid really well.

Shammy reading some of your posts below you look to me like you could start a fight in an empty room, who knows what your like with a drink in you.

@1. The Spanish police? Maybe you can give us details of this trouble?

@1) Stop embarrassing yourself pal. the words Scottish media and cover up for Celtic don't go together. Never have done and never will do. The UEFA award for Celtic's good behaviour has has nothing to do with scotland, its media or the SFA. Your clutching at straws mate.

Oh and I remember at the time it being said there had only been one solitary arrest reported. Even if there had been 20, us scottish are drunken bampots when we get bevvied and a breach of the peace could be anything from fighting to having a p*ss in the street, either way it was a great thing for so many people to go there have a great time, yet GET BEAT and still not turn nasty.

04 May 2013 19:17:02
a big well done to the young players
a big well done to the fans for rallying round

G_d help us if we have to watch more flat flat football again next season Rangers fans deserve better Les

Ffs, give up with the ''YOUNG '' players. I was a grown man with a kid when I was 21.
i'll give you mcleod, aird and mckay 18

hegarty, crawford 20.
cole, mitchel, stella, naismith 21.
hemmings, hutton, faure, 22.
cribari, perry, little. 23.
templeton 24
argyriou, wallace, 25
sandaza, black, sheils, 28
kyle 31
goian 32
bocanegra 33
mcculloch 34
alexander 35

and yes I know a couple have left and a couple were out on loan { your choice } , but they were all part of your squad at the start of the season.
that is an average age of 27. so please stop telling us your youngsters were brave. for the last time you are older than celtic. shammy

Should have said, well done to fans today. shammy

Les your spot on, it was our young guns and Jig that carried us through, and well done to every won of them. @1 has mentioned Bocanegra, Goian, Kyle, sandaza! Where have they been? I think that brings the average age to around 25.

And they loved it today, great to see.

Aye Ready

Stella's left
Cribari is older than 23
Kyles left
Sandazas left
Goain is out on loan as is boca


You missing out gasparotto for any reason too?

Jprfc

I, m 55 there YOUNG to me sammy Les

The point being Shammy "Players have left".
Yes it was our choice, but if they're not there they can't contribute. Therefore neither your arithmetic nor your statement stacks up.
Kyle, Shields and Sandaza hardly kicked a ball. So how about giving the youngsters some credit for their achievement. The average age of the squad who "contributed" is 21. 4. If you're tempted to post stats in future, at least try to be accurate.
P. O. B.

Gooam, bocca and kyle haven't kicked a ball all season. Only included to increase the average age of the squad to suit your agenda.

04 May 2013 22:16:15
Shammy the clown, are u so ensconced in hate that you don't understand what a young team is? Are you a fool? Or just so hatefilled you can't function properly, tell us why u included bocanegra and goian in that rangers team? Just explain how you could use the term ffs? And then mention players who havnt played a game?, the words of a keyboard warrior who knows nothing about the game, nothing, of course its a young gers team, don't u understand? Ed please tell this person, tommy blue

@ 3. 3 young guys. yes and celtics average age is 23
@4 . iv'e already said that, take them away your still older than celtic. shammy

@4 apologies cribari is 33, but your still older than us

P. o. b absolute rubbish it can't drop below 25. shammy

P. o. b. kyle and sandaza '' left '' in march
6 weks ago, 6 weeks before the end of the season, so you had them . shammy

P. O. B. that "hardly kicked a ball" trio played in 46 games between them, at least try to be accurate.

@7 kyle was available, goian and boca you couldn't afford, so put them out on loan { they are back } and you still can't afford them.
but take them all away and it's still 25 average. still older than celtic 23.
last 16 in europe. shammy

Tomyblue. yes I hate rangers,
I also know that you don't have a young team,
I included goian and boca because they were your players at the start of the season and you decided not to play them
when I work out celtics average age I also include players who have not kicked a ball. like zaluska aged 30? but he's on the bench.
you ask if i'm hate filled. no my brother is a deluded sevconian and he is a good guy. it's just your attitude, you always have to be youngest, biggest, strongest, oldest, sexiest,. just learn to be second best sometimes. because that is what you are, and will be for a long time, if you survive your latest chrisis

Is pod the clubs accountant?. TTTS

I have to agree with shammy, rangers are older, 140 years to their 125 years, cheers for pointing that out window shammy.

04 May 2013 17:39:34
Mp Eric Joyce gets drunk and kicks off in a parliament bar, mp Roseanna Cunningham gets drunk and kicks off in a parliament bar. And these are the folk telling US we can have a pint at the football because we can't behave.
The tiger - it's ironic!

Thinking back to the violence I saw at games years ago, that was 100% fuelled by alcohol (yes, and bitterness)I would hate those days to return and I, for one, can wait till after a game to have a drink. Safer to leave things as they are.

@1, if it was fuelled by alcohol and bitterness then it can't be 100% alcohol!
I go for a few pints before the game, maybe not if its an early kick off mind and I've never misbehaved at a game!
Football is differant now from what it was back then, no standing and bringing 6 cans in with you for a start, CCTV everywhere to spot troublemakers etc
If you go to the rugby you can have a pint, are we saying egg chasers can behave with a drink but football fans and mp's can't?

04 May 2013 16:40:34
What I want to know is WHO AT IBROX GAVE THE tv ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENT " THE WAY FORWARD "
Who is the snake in our club.

If we'd had a few more 'snakes' we wouldn't be in the state we are. Far too much kept secret and things are no different now, even after what's happened. A few more whistle blowers please.

I would like to know that too OP.

Craig Mather, the acting CEO writes a report on a possible future for the club and then journalists are banned from Ibrox for reporting on it.

Makes no sense to me.

Ffs truthfulness and honesty is what's needed not duping fans and public. Have any lessons been learned?
Snakes are wonderful creatures with a bad press.
Everything needs to out now!

OP if you can't work out who leaked it then I am amazed. But as 1) says isn't it good these things are being leaked or is it only the old regime who can leak without being a snake?

Gaz

It was a contract electrician who was working inside ibrox. Seroiusly if it was not so funny I would be cryin.

Gaz,

You seem to be an expert on everything to do with Rangers. Tell us who you think leaked the document.

It wasn't leaked. It was clearly opennly handed over.

@6) With any leak, political or otherwise, ask yourself 3 questions.

1) What is its intent?
2) Who profits from it?
3) Who is damaged by it?

That narrow it down a bit for you?

Gaz

@7

If you say so, not everything is as it may first appear at Ibrox.

04 May 2013 15:59:23
Does anyone know who banned tv from reporting on the game today---was anyone named? Such a stupid decision and shows us up yet again. I'm glad the way forward was published----why not? Who is it that wants us all to be kept in the dark? No one tells us anything except lies most of the time. This is the day we should be celebrating but this has annoyed me no end. Fed up (yet again)

Traynor asked Chick Young to leave.

@1 No he did not. CY Was asked if he wanted to stay.

Chick said on radio he was asked to stay and watch the game but he couldn't broadcast. Chris was asked to leave.

Well ffs. tv senior sport correspondent cannot broadcast and Chris McL cannot stAy for releasing a truthful document for fans to assess?
Bin Jabba now. Jabba is the enemy. He tried to shut chick up on Noddygate. Despicable.

These self appointed c**ts who decide what truths are released to fans and not are the enemies of RFC, and yes TRAYNOR is the biggest enemy of the truth and of the fans.

04 May 2013 15:45:29
Hi lads, I'm a Rangers/Blackpool fan myself and at Bloomfield road up to 7 Scottish players could leave at the end of the season, these are:

Clubfoot (NO!, although been class for us this season, poor record at Ibrox. )

Bob Harris (Possibilty, young lad 23/24 LB whos struggled with game time this season but has talent)

Matt Philips (No, brilliant but will sign a new contract with us I'd imagine)

Matt Gilks (Maybe, GK mixed bag this season and could leave and would be a good replacement for Alexander. )

Chris Kettings (No, GK will probably sign a new contract plus we've got Gallacher, similar age, ability. )

Gary McKenzie (Maybe, BFC have had him on loan from MK Dons where he is out-of-contract in the summer, solid old school defender 26/27 been brilliant with Clubfoot at the back. )

Can't think of the other but what's everyones thoughts? These are the only Scottish ones but theirs something like 30 out-of contract this summer so I'll wait and see.

Seltik interested in Philips mate but he's overrated imo.

Why would you call one of your own, and better. players clubfoot?

04 May 2013 15:18:16
I wonder how many of my fellow bears - the honest and objective ones - can really dispute any of the recommendations of Charles Green's "Way Forward" document as exposed in today's Record. including the comments specific to McCoist's managerial ability and position?

I personally agreed with virtually everything written. Wish I could say the same for McCoist's pathetic interview with Keevins in the same paper. The man is deluded as to his abilities t lead this club forward and is frankly treating fans with utter contempt with every interview he gives.

Question: Is it any coincidence the Press came crashing down on Green shortly after Green told McCoist to get shot of Durrant? Cynical I may be, but I think McCoist called in a number of favours with the Press Corp to once again, deflect from his own - and many - shortcomings as a manager. How many chances will McCoist get?

I fear, a lot of what was written for Green's "Way Forward" document will come to fruition. Who agrees?

SPM

Jabba manipulating the DR as usual. People sick of it. Treating readers as gullible fools.
Why was the dossier guy described as Green's friend? Instead of major RFC investor?
Get Green and Ahmad and their connections back, dump McCoist and Smith.

Directors normally fight their corners to the bitter end.

Both these guys orchestrating easy walk always speaks loads.

I would take this document with a large pinch of salt! It reads like a politician's manifesto, that is to say one thing and do another.

Aye Ready

04 May 2013 12:28:06
An Ally McCoist quote from the Telegraph.

Asked if - supposing it were available - a £10 million transfer kitty would be appropriate in the humble context of SFL2 - McCoist replied: "Probably not, but, if I am going to be totally selfish about it, I would have to spend it to get out of the division and keep me, Ian Durrant, Kenny McDowall and the rest of the staff in a job. "

Well there you have it, my description of him being "self-serving" doesn't seem that far off the mark when he nearly uses the term himself.

In the Evening Times today he also said he would welcome back Dave King who STILL has 322 outstanding charges to face against the South African justice system.

Well enjoy spending cash you can ill afford and having a boardroom with more fraudsters, it does seem "the Rangers way" if recent history is anything to go by.

Gaz

Creditors of the former club must be sick to their core with this frivolous spending that he intends on embarking on! I can't see how anyone can see this as being right!
Just as long as their are new players at ibrox that's all that matters isn't it! Absolutely disgusting way to act!

If it is going to cost £10 million to get out of div2 what for div 1 and then how much to try and win the SPL.

Ian

Every manager would spend money given to him to help him keep his job. wouldn't you Gaz? Complete nonstory

@1) Well said. I was just thinking that, 276 creditors done to the tune of £54m less than a year ago. Precious few of them millionaires I guarantee, just working class folk struggling to get by.

Meantime the latter day feudal lord wants to keep himself in his millionaire status with his cronies. A scandalously insensitive remark, he becomes more despicable with every passing day. And every bean spent on Rangers, every person through the gate endorses and encourages him further. It is shameful if he personifies the club's ethos.

Gaz

McCoist has been a massive disappointment as a manager, but as a former player and club legend he has been a disgrace, we should have been able to trust him and he has stabbed us in the back, he has let himself, the club and every single Rangers supporter down, he will do irrepairable damage if he is allowed to continue, 4 or 5 more of his signing would cripple us financially but he is talking about 11 players and spending £10m if he gets the chance whether its best for Rangers or not, as long as he keeps his job! This must be the final nail even for the SuperAlly contingent. surely.

Gaz, frequently reported as 322 SERIOUS outstanding charges.

The SFA would never allow such money into the Scottish game.

@3) Of course every manager would and does, they don't flat out crassly say it keeps me (a millionaire several times over) in a job. They say "for the betterment of the club" etc etc.

If this was a banker or a Tory MP I wouldn't be surprised, having said that none of them would be dumb enough to say it those words.

And as for this amount (or any amount for that matter). QoS strolled through that division under budget spending £350,000. They also won the Ramsden Cup, knocking Rangers out in the process and did so with a first year manager (presumably not on £2m this year. )

I wonder if there is a Rangers fan out there who got laid off due to their company not getting their money due by Rangers and if he or she is reading this today thinking "Oh well Ally as long as it keeps YOUR job safe. "

I don't expect fat cats to have that sensitivity but I expect it from folk who are working class themselves and have been adored and amply rewarded for over thirty years by them. Guy is a disgrace and by far is coming across as the biggest self-server in the recent history of Rangers, shameful comment, truly shameful.

And for the record in case anyone asks, if that happened at Celtic I'd write to the CEO and say I could no longer go and support the team while such a self-serving manager was at the club. Rest assured on that.

Gaz

3 - I would honestly think being ages with Ally myself & a lifelong Rangers fan that in his position I wouldn't again jeopardise my club by overspending - which is if you remember the catalyst that has seen us end up where we are at the moment, still officially being liquidated and losing approximately £1,000,000 per month!

Some fans seemingly will never learn.

Gaz I wonder why as you say youde write to celtic I wonder what team you follow I've checked the celtic websites everynight since the 24th of april and never seen your name are you an aberdeen supporter tmwnn

People moan about not enough honesty from our club, then when ally says that spending money will keep him in a job they are angry at his honesty. Make up your minds

04 May 2013 11:25:51
Keevins piece in the record today, totally astonishing. McCoist claiming (open eyed in disbelief) that he only now begins to think he might not get £10m to spend. McCoist and Keevins doing a duping number on fans. Piling manure onto manure and heaping it high.
It's disrespectful to fans intelligence putting out something like that.
McCoist had the second highest wage bill in Scottish football this season and served up dire dross. His season can be summed up as lack lustre, very disapointing and failure to perform.
McCoist must get the push or the club is doomed again. If McCoist had performed in Europe, Craig Whyte would still be running the show and it would have been a successful handover.
The Board are not getting rid of McCoist. Were not getting that option. Buying a season ticket is saying you endorse that and are happy with this guy. True supporters who love the club and are not sheep won't buy a ticket until he's gone.

04 May 2013 14:19:57
That's the least believable Ally has sounded since he claimed Jelavic might not have to leave Rangers when he did and then pretended he was injured so as not to jeopardise his transfer out of Ibrox went ahead on Craig Whyte's orders.

Give us a break Ally, we're not all totally thick you know.

@ op. If ally had performed in Europe whyte would have creamed even more Money off the tax man and still put us in admin. You are deluded if you even think whyte genuinely wanted to run a successful rangers. It was always about the rip off. Anyone who wanted to run rangers right would have sold the players the day after malmo. Firesale to bring in cash and reduce the supposed 10 million blackhole. Not blindly blunder on regardless knowing the consequences.

@2) its blindly blunder on now, and has been for two years. FO.

04 May 2013 06:32:30
Judging by the fans reaction to press reports on possible signings, there aren't many here who are happy with names mentioned. McCoist quoted today as saying he needs 11 new players in, fans saying they don't want foreigners from warm climates trying to slug it out in the 2nd division and ex stars saying let's bring back ex players in their mid 30s. Then there's the bit about limited budgets, transfer embargos and pre contracts. It all gets rather complicated.

I think I've found the solution to simplify things and walk the 2nd division. Let's just sign up the QOS starting eleven for next season. They did it this season.

It is madness to suggest bringing back Novo, Miller and Boyd. Players with a sell on value must be purchased. Time Ally woke up and smelled the coffee, looks like he has realised he won't be getting £10m and he is talking about the USA and Germany pre season. What part of losing £1m per month does he not get?

04 May 2013 12:53:00
Well said. All this guff about signings is a total embarassment at best. Firstly its so transparently an effort to get us to buy season tickets, but only reeks of panic. Do they honestly think we're not aware of the player limit in the sfl? Secondly its an insult to think we're going to flock to see the crap they're talking about. Hows this for an alternative: make the most of being where we are, get a squad of youngsters with true grit together, then the fans can buy into a REAL journey watching these guys slug it out and develop and become a genuine hard won success story. That I'd pay to see any day over the sad excuse for a team that Ally seems to be dreaming about. There's so much misplaced bitterness about we seem to have forgotten that simple thing that makes every successful team winners - feet on the ground SELF RESPECT.

@2 great post mate, but honestly now, do you think that everyone shares your ideas? They were being booed off the ground for struggling to beat part time players week in week out! What chance does a bunch of young lads have with their own support baying for blood because they have only managed to struggle a one nil victory against a bunch of part timers!

@2 Even though it seems clear that there are a lot of us who want change the game at the weekend suggests there are more who will continue to buy into the hype. 50k? The whole we don't do walking away scenario seems to have struck a chord with those who are hard of thinking. I'd be amazed if we ever see significant progress at our club whilst the WATP drum keeps banging out it's tired old rhythm. @3 In all honesty I think fans were booing the experienced players who have consistently let us down all season. The young boys should be proud of themselves, apart from Bunking off early to tweet from Nandos that is ;)