Rangers Banter Archive May 04 2012

04 May 2012 21:53:17
Would just like to say how sorry i am to hear Sasa Papac is leaving, This is a man who came as a centre half and worked hard to change his whole game at the age of 26 and re-invented himself as a full back,this shows what his attitude is all about.
I'll never forget his performance against Barcelona, anti football maybe, but he had Messi in his back pocket and has been consistantly good for 6 years, future hall of fame is a certainty.
All the best in the future Sasa, you will be missed.
BR
BR

Totally agree- a great servant to Rangers- his assertion that it is time for a younger player to take his place is typical of the man.
Sasa Pacac I salute you & wish you every success for the future.
Forever welcome back at Ibrox.
ThatsNotMyName[TNMN]

04 May 2012 21:39:37
All I can say is a very big THANK YOU PAPAC. As for bill miller is only part of the board of the company that went in to admin aka bankruptcy so that aint really a problem

04 May 2012 20:11:04
Old firm all time head to head
rangers 159
Celtic 144
draw 96

bit of a random post but stick that in yer pipe bhoys

jacko

I'm sure that will comfort you when you are towed away by Miller

Once the EBT scandal hits. Those stats might just change after we are awarded 3-0 wins over 6 or 7 year period. A tim.

Looks like we will never catch you now, thats a pity.

15 in it and how many years head start did rangers have on Celtic in terms of establishing a stable football club, 20 years or something, not too bad actually.

Old firm European cup success:
Celtic: 1967-WINNERES
1969-Q FINAL
1970-FINAL
1971-Q FINAL
1972 SE)MI FINAL
1974 SEMI FINAL
1980Q )FINAL
Rangers* (in administration):
1975- 2nd round
1976-1st round
1978-Q final
1989- 1st round

Bit of a random post but stick it up yir a-hole wacko jacko(plum)

BRIGGS

Living on ancient glories eh Briggs, oh well as long as your happy me ol' china.

04 May 2012 19:39:14
bill miller has said that he wouldnt be averse to using a bit of american panache to rangers,
so bring on tthe" botox stadium"
now that would normally raise afew eyebrows?

04 May 2012 18:55:02
Over 50 thou at Celtic park last night??

Must have been a hell of a lot of them wearing small green t shirts that looked like seats

could be wrong?

bill72

Just like all those wearing small blue ones at Ibrox the night before?

It's not as if Celtic need all the money they can get. Unlike Rangers, so you'd have expected a full house at Ibrox on Wednesday. After all, didn't the fans say they'd fill the stadium until the end of the season to show support etc.?

Don't know were this argument is going, but its getting boring.

They were small green thai tims,garlar07

Ya did you bears boycott your own ground? i thought is was only the away games? but going by ur attendences yous lik doing walking away

Fish in a barrell :-)))

bill72

Bill, is Ibrox full today?

7.)
No
Disappointing turn out & very subdued atmosphere

bill72

04 May 2012 18:03:27
It really would be better for everyone if hmrc sat down with Miller in the next few days and done a c.v.a, really can not see any point in not doing so now.

They will at least get back about 5-9m, Rangers can keep going as normal and hmrc will not have wasted years chasing money they will never get.

Once Miller takes over what's the point in trying to get money from a company that has no assets or money in it?

If they liquidate Rangers plc 1899 they will get zero Ibrox, mp and all other assets will be moved.

The ebts case is made up of about 60% fines and interest anyway not unpaid tax.

Lets hope sense is seen and a deal is cut that both sides can live with.

You don,t do walking away you get towed,garlar07

You miss the point. If u liquidate, not a newco but liquidate, your assets are sold and the creditors get a share of the assets. Your assets are worth more than the cva pot

If found guilty in ebt case rangers should be made to pay every last penny

@2 Assets will all be moved to another company, they only thing left in the Rangers 1899 company will be the £11m Miller puts in so liquidating that will get them even less than a cva as the pit will keep going down due to D&P costs.

If hmrc are smart they will cut a deal asap or risk getting nothing.

Very sorry to piss in your american pie, but guess what hmrc can go to court and block Mr windy's buy out of they would get more from liquidation than from cva. Oh and so can ticketus. Oh and so can Mr whyte. Ah well.

04 May 2012 17:21:45
Sasa Papac leaving according to SSN

I'm gutted, he's been one of our best performers for many years, totally reliable.

Best of luck Sasa, I hope you get a big paydeal somewhere to finish your career.

04 May 2012 17:10:24
Sasa Papac the 1st player to leave good luck to him in the rest of his Career always reliable at the back.

Larky Bear

Think Wylde was before him
Weir b4 him
& jelavic before him

bil72

Naismith next n mcgregor n davis

Sad to see him go good consistent player always reliable, but people are going to be looking at this as part of the exodus he had already said at the start of the season when he signed his extension he was going to be leavign

04 May 2012 17:03:18
Just spoken to a hr employment specialist , duff & phelps are wrong and the unions are right . The players get there contracts brocken and need not be tupied over to a new company. They are perfectly in their rights to have a free transfer. How much of rangers assets are going to be lost when this happens , £20 million £30 million ?
A well wishor

If I'm a £3m player and I get the whole fee to myself instead of the old company then gimme gimme I've already given up 75% of my income over 4 months this pays it back. It's why we got it written into contracts.

04 May 2012 16:40:06
Check out chatanooga news channel 3 and fox news chatanooga for the American side

04 May 2012 16:29:26
Oops oops oops
Wake up wake up!

Rangers crisis: Firm linked to preferred bidder Miller in bankruptcy battle

By Mike Farrell
04 May 2012 15:04 BST

Rangers: Preferred bidder Bill Miller owns a 10% stake in Health Sport Inc. Pic: © SNS Group
A sports nutrition company that Rangers bidder Bill Miller has a stake in has filed for bankruptcy.

Health Sport Inc, which specialises in "edible film strip" nutritional supplements, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in September last year, which is similar to the UK insolvency process of administration.

The financial crisis at the firm came after the business failed to filed its annual accounts last year, months after it bought over a smaller business.

Well that's it, that's enough for me. Bill Miller has a flaw, he invests in companies, away back under your duvet fanny baws.

On STV guess media are now scrutinizing this guy and doing their due dilligence the way they didn't for Craig. The channel4 guy finding out stuff also.

Get real mate the guy owes 10% so he has no control over the business ffs i have share in RBS so it must be my fault they made a balls of it a couple of years ago bill miller made a bad investment of $680,000 google this Padraig Harrington and business partner reportedly lose £16 million on high-tech investment that business partner happens to be non other than mister Desmond and we all know he aint daft

lochaber Bear

Look forget about that. We need to get behind this great guy. Give him a chance. He's a legend.

& your point is?

believe it or not Rangers are not the only company ever to have went into liquidation & they certainly ain't the only football team to make a loss (Man u this week - £50 mill) or to have a creditors list. Would be good to see a couple of other credit lists for comparison?

bill72

@5: the difference is that the other clubs aren't in admin and are able to pay their creditors back or they would be.

STV running that story so they think it's pertinent. But a few raw nerves on the posts!

Demand to know who sanctioned the publication of this story. It's important you know before you march on STV.

10%

.??

bil72

04 May 2012 16:11:57
i wonder why a lot of people are sceptical of bill miller,he has made an unconditional offer of 11 million,but if i was parting with 11 million of my cash i would be over here.has he made any public appearances regarding the situation,or is it just statements released to the press.is there someone acting on his behalf,he doesnt claim to be a rangers fan,but says the way the club has been ran is shameful.there was also reports that his original offer came with conditions regarding spl and sfa sanctions.how does he know so much about the scottish game.i am very sceptical of this whole situation.cw said one thing and did another.look how we ended up.i personally think the guy should be on a plane for glasgow and stand in front of the rangers fans to outline his plans for the future.wee fergus did it for the septic.seems to me someone is helping bm with his bid

Miller also claims to have spoken with the sfa and hmrc yet both claim not to have spoken to miller....remind you of another billionaire/multi millionaire/millionaire/asset stripper?

1.) or could it be that he has spoken to them and that would explain what duff & phelps reported ? maybe they werent to mention it that would explain turn around in thier statement mark.

04 May 2012 14:52:06
So at last we are at the prefered bidder point. Having recently looked at The Sunday Times rich list howcome when Brian Kennedy is reportedly worth £140 million TBK
were not at the races when it came to put your money where your mouth is.? They knew what they had to beat yet theirsecond offer did not come close,WHY?
Hopefully Mr Miller will eventually get us back on track but we will all need to be patient .
Bongman

I believe Mr Miller is the preferred option because the administrators could not deliver CW's shares to the BK. That was 1 of there conditions. The Miller bid with the newco and old 1 in incubation does not involve CW.

You are the patient. BM is the operator taking the p*ss out of you.

04 May 2012 14:11:42
Hope Mr Miller will start by getting rid of McCoist and Durant,then we can move forward...

Must admit don't think ally will be long term, but what decent manager would touch the rangers job at the moment? No transfers allowed, all the decent players going get sold, mo edu still playing even though he'd rank rotten.

04 May 2012 13:13:18
how much is bill miller worth? {Ed022's Note - A McDonalds cheeseburger.}

That's blasphemous ed , and with you already on ze list.... ;-) {Ed001's Note - true, it should have been Burger King, not Maccies.}

More than Craig shyte anyway
PaulRFC

No Ed!!!! He's Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Next season RFC=KFC.

Paulrfc...wasnt whytes wealth off the radar?

Why ask such a stupid question mate, am I meant to of known that , I'm not his pissing accountant mate.
PaulRFC

@5: it might have been rhetorical in that the answer is obvious.

@5 ooooooh my, garlar07

04 May 2012 12:48:03
Nice to see Gordon Strachan's interview on BBC sport website. He is adamant that the SPL needs Rangers and that it is not the fault of players or supporters for what has taken place. And this from a former Celtic manager. A pity Lennon and co. couldn't be so gracious and honest.

A pity Lennon couldn't be so gracious and honest? Lennon has stated publicly he feels McCoist has had it tough, at no stage has he said the fans were at fault. He has the utmost respect for Alistair professionally. Yeah they've had their moments, but they are more friends than foes. So how about you take a step back and try not slagging Neil Lennon. You might find most of us have some sympathy for the majority of the Rangers support. And if WGS had said the opposite, would he be seen to be being 'honest' in your mind? I doubt it.

GoldCoastBhoy

Lennon said much the same,jeeze,let it go with Lennon.you just sound stupid.........green jhedi

You want sympathy? No chance. You must be punished or it becomes open season for any club in the league. Lennon has said he has sympathy for Ally and the fans so get your facts rigt.

Joeshmo1888

Lennon said he would disclose what ally said to him if celtic won the league i am still waiting, funnily enough he said it when celtic where 15 points behind watp

Always have to bring neil lennon in to it eh...........leave the guy alone!! he has already said that he feels it for ally mcoist. the guy cant win with yous lot. and for the record yes i am a celtic fan, and i do want yous to stay in the spl,but yous must also be punished and take your punishments for your wrong doings.

Jehdi if ya don't like your tool of a manager getting bad mouthed go back to your page mate , but it's ok for us to listen to you an your "mates" bad mouth super constantly is it ? You really do void your respectable posts when ya start with your drivel !
PaulRFC

Lennon said weeks ago he sympathises with Ally and fans.
There is a knowing bond between old firm managers serving at the same time. They know the other guy is under the same scrutiny and pressure.

Feels it for ally mc coist ? i didnt know neil bhoy was that way inclined ,no more songs about ian durrant now that the cupboard door is open lol doug

So. Are people only ever gracious when they agree with you? . Get real. Gordon says so I believe!! Laughable.

@6 And what is wrong with pointing out there is no need to bring Lennon into that post? Our "tool" of a manager has done more than mccoist correct? Never mind "wheels are in motion" a man once said.Im sure your very happy with "super"...........green jhedi

Why do Celtic fans keep saying Rangers need to be punished, why ? The name Rangers have done nothing wrong, it was the people who were in charge at the time, they are the ones who should be found guilty of any wrong doing, so stop going on about Rangers haven't paid tax etc, it was Murray etc who didn't pay tax & why do Celtic fans try to slag off Rangers fans for this fiasco ? the fans have done nothing wrong, can't you all comprehend that ? obviously not.

@9: Durrant song? could you explain please...........green jhedi

Doug tht was quite funny lol davie c

:11; Cant you grasp the owner/club relationship? try and think

Doug...re durrant songs,wrong page son....try the aberdeen banter page.

The true jehdi shows his colours eh
PaulRFC

16.)
be careful you don't upset him now!

bil72

@11 did you celebrate 9 in a row?
Did you cheer your team to the UEFA Cup final? Did all those good times Rangers give you make you proud of your club, give you a sense of hope? Did it feel like it was YOUR CLUB then? If it did, then this is YOUR CLUB now. And you cannot back away from it because someone whom was welcomed in with open arms and carrying a warchest guided you down the wrong path. It's YOUR club. There is no walking away from that. If it isn't your club now, it wasn't in 2008 or the years of 9 IAR. So all that celebrating would just be hollow hollow, and pointless. Chin up, you've still got two more games.

GoldCoastBhoy

04 May 2012 12:25:39
OK possible team for next season.....
(3 -5-2)

Alexander

Goin
Bocanegra
Perry

Cole
Hutton
McCabe
Ness
Wallace

Aluko
Hemmings

subs
Adam (GK)
Kerkar
Little
Bedoya
Fleck
Broadfoot

Any thoughts? SG

Aluko an goian wil be gone next season mate , aluko to la liga or England's top flight , an I'm hearing goians agent trying to get him a move out of ibrox
PaulRFC

Any thoughts? Yeah your an idiot!

I gather that you have assumed that McGregor, Whittaker, and Davis will walk away?

Have you decided to offload Edu, Lafferty and McCulloch even though we cant bring in anybody new?

Thank god your not in charge!

McCabe and Ness really impressed me the other night and Ally should build the team around our outstanding young midfielders. IMO we really need to produce good strikers regularly which we havnt been doing lately. Good young line up though. CheltBlue

@2 , the OP is right not to have their names there. Even if they don't walk away we can't afford to keep them. Open ur eyes, they will all b gone. Next season we will have a young team with maybe a few older guys on lesser wages. Naismith, Davis, mcgregor, Whittaker, lafferty, edu, papac and aluko will all be gone. N most likely the likes of boca, goian and mcculloch will follow them

@2. Gee the guy a break FFS. He was simply suggesting a team for next season, would you rather he posted about EBT's or "newco"??
@OP, not far off with that team mate, i expect Davis, Shagger, Whittaker and Papac to all go. I am optimistic that Naisy, Aluko, Edu and Bocanegra may stay. No inside info or that just feel that Shagger, Davis and Whittaker are the major earners and Papac being out of contract i expect to go. Would do well to hang onto the others, so bearing that in mind here's my team for next season

------------Alexander------------

Cole----Boca------Perry----Wallace

-------------McCabe------------

-------Ness------------Edu-------

Aluko-------Little/Jig------Naismith

Subs
Grant
Broadfoot
Jig/Little (both can play numerous positions)
Hutton
Fleck
Kerkar
Mitchell
Healy

J1985

@ number 2...I replied earlier and my post ended half way up the page. Yes, yer a sack. Time to get real. But still think that team looks not bad! SG

04 May 2012 12:13:41
I'm so confused by Millers bid!
Can someone help me out, with these points.

Can you transfer assets out of a company in administration?

Who holds the players contracts, oldco or newco?

Can you buy assets so far below there Market value?

What about HMRC Whyte and Ticketus, can they block a CVA and then what?

If BTC wasn't announced until after new and oldco where reunited, would the debt still need to be paid?

Confused.com help

I'll have a go

1. Can you transfer assets out of a company in administration?
The company is in the Control of the Administrators, not mgt/shareholders. The Administrators can sell the assets of the company to a 3rd party with the agreement of major creditors.

2. Who holds the players contracts, oldco or newco?

This is covered by the Transfer of Undertakings legislation, no player has to move to newco. If they do move to newco, the have the right to be employed under the same T&Cs as the oldco.

3. Can you buy assets so far below there Market value?

As discussed previously, 'Market value' is only what someone is prepared to pay under 'Firesale' conditions.

4. What about HMRC Whyte and Ticketus, can they block a CVA and then what?

Yes they can, CVA requires 75% creditors + majority shareholder (drag along rites) agreement. The way it is being structured there will only be 'cash' (£11.2m) in the company at this point. Shareholders will get nothing (no value), HMRC + ticketus +others split cash.

If they cannot agree CVA, company is liquidated and proceeds distributed, one would imagine, on same terms as the proposed CVA.

5. If BTC wasn't announced until after new and oldco where reunited, would the debt still need to be paid?

There is no way the new and oldcos would be reunited before the oldco's CVA had been agreed and all parties accepted the proceeds as full and final payment.

Can you honestly see major creditors accepting pence in the pound? 11 million to pay initially 60 million

04 May 2012 12:07:09
Think the oldco will sell the big players in the summer, money the oldco gets 4 them will go 2 the CVA pot, thus making the CVA pot up 2 say 25 - 30 mill
Gordy the ger

25 - 30 million no chance davie c

And what players are going to get that kind of money.......DH

04 May 2012 11:52:13
Let's all get behind this guy Miller and see how it pans out before we all start criticising. Reality is that we're f***ed, we can't be an attractive proposition to anyone hence why when it came down to it we only had to bidders interested in saving us. And one of those bidders, TBK, talked a good game but when it came down to it they couldn't back it up. They have no money and needed Ticketus, then Kennedy to even be in with a shout. Some of these "Rangers men" were part of the problem as to where we find ourselves today!
So let's give Miller a chance and get behind the guy (the only guy to put his money where his mouth is) who has promised to save our club. Everything so far coming from him seems encouraging.

Yes, lets just jump in and give him our full support. Dont ask any questions sit back and take whatever he decides to do. That's what we did with Craig Whyte and you can see where that got us. FFS this has disaster written all over it.

Number 1 has a very valid point. Lets see if the Rangers fans will make the same mistake twice in less than 12 months.

04 May 2012 11:38:57
With him being based in the US will Alistair Johnston come out & tell us that we shouldnt trust Miller now like he did Whyte surely hel be doing some homework on him?

Larky Bear

Great point.i was saying this to my gers mates that he must have something to say,good or bad about Miller.he has been very quiet for a while now.........green jhedi

AJ came out with a huge 2 pages on Miller over a month ago....... Such forgetful minds

04 May 2012 11:17:55
Leaving Glasgow, am stunned that tax-dodging Rangers' latest Big Idea is....a tax dodge. Glasgow papers report this as some kind of triumph!
10:30am - 4 May 12 via Twitter for BlackBerry® tweeted by Alex Thompson. Go Alex ;) bigirishmac

Mmmm... seems like it is the court appointed administrators controlling the process on behalf of the creditors or maybe Alex Thomson knows better.
BIMbo who still seeing yir old hooker pal?

What you leaving glasgow for ? do you owe hmrc money too doug

You are aware your name "Irish mac" is a complete contradiction , Irish are micks , SCOTTISH are macs ! Learn your history paddy !

@3; What a complete berk you are! What if his name starts with MAC and he is irish? DUH!...........green jhedi

We need somebody on the TV here like in the states 'Keeping them honest'....
When are the SFA going to punish Rangers for their fans marching on Hampden?
When are the SFA going to punish Rangers for their managers unparalleled diatribe against senior SFA officials risking their safety?

Well he probably emigrated from south west scotland which did happen ( ayrshire and north of england ) its called the plantation doug

5.)
march was legal police were informed and ok'd it - same as every other protest march in the Uk
Diatribe (big word for you?) - As far as I'm aware this is still a free country, and nothing libellous was said

You want to bring back hanging next just for bears??

bill72

04 May 2012 11:10:46
I will always support the team that was started by four men having a dream, a dream that led to being the most successful domestic club in the world. The team that has won a major european trophy. A team that has one of the biggest supports in the world and the team that shares the best rivalry with a club which is watched all over the world and Scottish football can't do with out. Rangers Football Club 1872, will always be my club. Murray park can be sold, we have a grass field we can train on, ibrox if its sold, its going to be sad, but we can stand at the side of a local park, just aslong as it helps us survive.

Did this dream involve shafting decent,ordinary people out of bills and taxes?..........green jhedi

Another pointless troll of a post GJ. Yet again outdoing the odd sensible one you make from time to time.
Just for you, i'll repeat...
It was not the original founders,the supporters,or indeed the constitution and"fabric" of our club that led us to where we are today. It was a few unscrupolous businessmen. Until CW came in, Rangers did pay their bills, so to taint the whole club and it's decent supporters,and past Rangers greats with your sweeping comment, is totally unfounded, petty, and plain stupid.
Despite your own good luck wishes during our current troubles, i notice the majority of your fellow supporters were demonstrating at Parkhead last night,more banners,(no to a newco etc) perhaps you could put them right with your thoughts of wisdom, if your past posts wishing us well are genuine.
Stevie-A-Bear

So A B SDM was the one that got you in this hole. CW dug it deeper but that was a decde after the rot started.

04 May 2012 09:48:58
preferd bidder has been named as bill miller so this means blue knights can not put a new bid in for rangers all the blue knights do is talk murray says we will lose europe money does he forget bill millers plan we will get our cattering and merchandise back plus wipe out our debt a think that is better to rangers as a football club than european football for 3 seasons

The blue knights can bid.it's not exclusive as he has not paid the 500k fee..........green jhedi

Correct mr jehdi
PaulRFC

Not sure you can take catering and shirt sales back in house as easy as you say. Shirt sales espcially would need a big investment to bring back in house

04 May 2012 08:53:28
whatever happens from now the advanced season ticket sales for next season will be a disaster.
combined with the transfer embargo, I just cant imagine what sort of team we'll be putting out

04 May 2012 05:06:47
Let's be sensible brother bears,look what happened when voldemorte took us over for a quid,let's just w8 and see what Mr Miller brings to the table. BLUNTRU72 "an apprehensive bear" LLRFC

Very sensible idea,you need your supporters groups to keep an eye on him though.....green jhedi

Rangers fans sensible ? you must be joking !

Yes we,l be that sensible we,l boycott parkheid for foreseeable future and watch yous lose much needed revenue then you wont be able to buy more porky strikers doug

@2 leave a name oh not so sensible one BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

@3; i think i speak for all Celtic fans,PLEASE boycott Parkhead............green jhedi

How is your safety certificate up again like it wasnt granted when youd a matter of days before your first game at your new super duper stadium i know cos i was delivering materials there on a regular basis and yous were flapping like geese doug

04 May 2012 01:29:04
I'm a gers fan but i don't care if it's SDM White or anyone the only one you can trust 100% is the face you see in the mirror when you shave in the morning BIG D

04 May 2012 00:05:20
Here a point for you all. what if miller get rangers for the 11 million he is paying. an then sells ibrox, Murray park and the car park. maybe some players too. For a total cost of 30 million. then liquidated rangers (total shut down) an keep the money he made from selling (the park an so on) nice 19 million profit. Any thoughts?


Sweeney 007 {Ed022's Note - I'm guessing he probably couldn't do that.}

What would be the problem if he did this ED?....green jhedi {Ed001's Note - there will be conditions in the deal he agrees to buy the club I would expect.}

03 May 2012 23:53:37
This isn't over yet. Miller has bought over ailing companies before and has turned them around to make small profits in a short space of time, this by selling larger assets!

I have no doubt that he will do the same here and then move along with his newco, twoco idea. This all hinges on what he can get for these so called assets.

Then he'll be bronco Bill