Rangers Banter Archive February 04 2015

 

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04 Feb 2015 19:03:07
I wonder what Jim Traynor discovered in his time at Rangers. Interesting that it is his company behind the King announcement.

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04 Feb 2015 18:15:02
Some of the posters on here are really quite incredible. They don't like Ashley, don't trust King, why have we got five loan signings in, blah, blah. King's statement today seemed upbeat and confident. He deliberately mentioned Ashley and why couldn't King and a new Board work with Ashley firstly as a shareholder and secondly on the retail side? If King wins the EGM vote the existing Board WILL BE OUT. There is nothing Ashley can do about that and I'm not sure he'd give a jot. As for the five Newcastle players, well let's use them, not just sign them and not play them, like McCoist did with our youngsters and get Gasparatto and MacKay back from loan. They'd liven up the team. Had McCoist blooded say four or five youngsters when we started out in Div 3 then these same players would be much more experienced and better players now and we'd be top of the league.

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Doiger thank god there is some sanity on this ste there is hope for us yet good man

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Agreed BIGWULL. We'll win through in the end if we keep our heads! Have a good night.

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Been looking at the recent posts, do you honestly think Ashley is just going to roll over and Let these four fan, ies push him out, your deluded, he's got all the money that's coming in and he's not just going to say "ok I don't want it" the guys a billionaire hel wipe the floor with these clowns. everything that can be secured he's got. apart from ibrox. but somebody's got that, wel find out eventually. he's a crafty business man, knows what he's doing. gary

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If somebody comes in and gives him his money back then he doesn't have the assets lol only a minority share.

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05 Feb 2015 07:50:07
how can anyone call serious, wealthy and successful businessmen clowns > Do you think Dave King is a pauper,?

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(5) No, he's a "glib and shameless liar" as the judge said at his trial. Why the fans are flocking to him is beyond me. He's the next shark waiting to take a bite. Have Rangers sunk so low that we are openly embracing a criminal as a saviour? What happened to dignity?

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05 Feb 2015 20:46:58
Disinterested, you are talking nonsense yet again, u forgot the 20 million the man invested in Rangers?, or his tireless efforts to save our club? Or maybe you haven't read the full story of his case in SA? Maybe you shud, for every opinion of a judge, there was another opinion put forward, the authorities who investigated are now under investigation, I'm not saying he was innocent, I'm asking how innocent you are,? And the people who investigated?

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Tommy, kings a convicted fraudster, no matter what he says, the three bears seem to be wee lambs lookin for a sheep to follow, Ashley hates king. do you think for one minute Ashley has not got something up his sleeve. appreciate your opinion m8 but don't think your seeing the big picture here. but that's only my opinion. gary

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Gary dave king is not a convicted fraudster. he was not found guilty of fraud. nor did he plead guilty to fraud, so the word fraud is not the word you are looking for.

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Tommy, he didn't invest 20 million of his own money, he invested 20 million of the poor South African taxpayer's money that he'd cheated them out of.

George, tax evasion is a form of fraud. You can tap-dance around it all you like (and be sure I'm aware of the exact SFA reg you are trying to get out of here) but tax evasion is fraud by any definition, if not in name.

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Disinterested expat, if it doesn't say fraud, then it's not fraud, if you got charged with a driving offence, and you plead guilty, but when your charge sheet appeared they charged you with committing a robbery while committing you driving offence, would you still plead guilty?

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There you go again George with your delusional pash.

He got charged with tax evasion, and it was tax evasion he was convicted on. It was tax evasion he appealed on. It was this appeal for tax evasion he eventually agreed to drop in exchange for only pleading guilty to a reduced number of counts of tax evasion. The court accepted, and he now has a criminal record for tax evasion. He paid a big fine for tax evasion, and had to pay back about 40 million in back taxes he had evaded paying due to his criminal tax evasion.

I'm sure you'll try to tip-toe around this (again) but you are doing yourself and our great club no favours at all by acting the clueless apologist for a criminal trying to power grab.

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04 Feb 2015 16:02:22
I hope King knows how it goes. He says 21 days from this Friday, which means 27th Feb is the date we can look forward too. He also states it is not a means of chasing Ashley. That doesn't sound quite so good.

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He says a lot of things in that announcement, some of it appeared to be slanderous to me - putting a big IF in front of things doesn't protect you in law.

I'm no fan of Ashley, but for a guy who has been found guilty of 41 criminal counts of contravening South Africa income tax laws to take the high-horse about dodgy deals he has seen no evidence about takes the biscuit.

If his so-called forensic examination of the books turns up anything dodgy, then Ashley needs to sack some of his lawyers, I am very sure he's crossed all the legal t's in that department. Holding Ashley's money sounds good, but where does he think the deeds to all the securities he is holding are? Ashley's safe.

Slagging off your opponent might make the fans who are up for a fight feel better, but it won't achieve much else.

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Cullin72. king just can't come out and say he's going to get rid of ashley. being an intelegent buissness man king knows ashley will have everything pretty much tied up. but u can bet king and co will try to look for loop holes once there in. he's trying to be non threating towards ashley. but if given the chance king and coe would get shot of him if possible.

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Aye, no bother Jack.

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Aye mate, I hadn't read it fully at that time. It is all a big game.

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King still has the small problem of "Fit and proper". I don't see that going well.

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04 Feb 2015 19:43:14
Disinterested, another guy who forgets that DAVE KING handed the rat Murray, 20 Million quid, for the love of Rangers, more than Murray ever put into our club, for a guy who uses that moniker, you seem to be on here every day m8,?, Mr King is trying to save our club, don't you grasp that,? Now we have people who look for flaws in the mans character,? He is a TrueBlue Rangers man and I'm sickened by the fans who constantly try to put him down, when they have never handed over such an amount, we are actually turning against our own

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Disinterested expat dave king was not found guilty of anything, he plead guilty to an amended charge, it was not fraud, he disputed his tax bill, and court and himself eventually came to agreement on amount owed, so he paid end of, he has never been found guilty of anything.

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Jack I don't see that being a problem, and neither does dave king.

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George your being disingenuous with the truth AGAIN, king admitted to 41 charges of tax evasion, you don't need to be FOUND GUILTY if you admit it and he paid a fine to avoid going to JAIL, the ed on here has told you this many time's and yet you still peddle your lies.

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According to the sa tax authority no less king was charged with 231 counts of tax evasion and pled guilty in a plea bargain to 41 counts of tax evasion, he then paid a fine of 80 thousand rand per CRIMINAL CONVICTION. Which means he has 41 convictions on his sa criminal records. I know this won't suit you but telling lies about it just makes you look foolish.

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Wow George, so if you plead guilty to a crime, you aren't guilty in the eyes of the court? What fecking planet do you live on?? Obviously one you have to wear blue tinted glasses when it comes to corruption, stealing etc!

You seriously cannot make this stuff up lol pure comedy good!

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George when you plead guilty, the court finds you guilty. You are guilty.

If he pleads to a lesser charge, it's because he wanted to avoid even greater charges which he thought they might be able to pin on him. This is the nature of legal bargains.

None of this means he is somehow not guilty of the charges.

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Mates lot and all the other lawyers on this site there is a big diffrence between pleading guilty and being found guilty, think of it, if you plead guilty you are admitting your guilt, Ffs,

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Sisinterested I never said he was not guilty, neither did he, he admitted guilt to less charges than first accused of, Ffs if you owed somebody a tenet, and they said it was one hundred you owed would you agree to pay the one hundred, like feck you would.

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Fab1he was not found guilty of fraud, he disputed a tax bill, the court eventually found him to be right, so dropped the bill by a few million, which he paid, he never protested his innocence, he disputed the amount owed, agreement was reached, so he paid the amended bill end of.

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George, you are delusional. Your story is just a fabrication. He was caught cheating his tax bill by the SA tax authorities. He was taken to court. He was found guilty. He appealed and the thing rumbled on for 10 years.

Eventually, he did a deal to accept just a reduced number of charges. This deal involved him dropping his final appeal and paying a massive fine - NOT his owed tax, a FINE to avoid him going to JAIL.

The way you tell it, the taxman sent him a bill, he disputed it, and they all agreed around coffee what amount he should pay and then he paid it. This is NOT TRUE.

Do you really want our club to start off with a convicted criminal telling lies about his crimes and the fans knowingly distorting the truth to make a nice wee cosy story that makes him a good guy instead of a tax-avoider?

At least with Murray and Whyte and Green, we didn't have any fore-warning that they were out to screw us over. Now you're arguing we should hand over the keys to our future to a guy with a stripey jersey and a swag bag?

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This was not some guy disputing a tax bill with hrmc, this is no different to what craig white did and he will also end up with CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS because of it.

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Dave king never plead guilty to fraud charges, dave king was not found guilty of fraud charges, so though he may have conviction in South Africa, not one of those charges relates to be fraudulent, that's one for all the would be lawyers on this page, no fraud, read before youse type, yous may save your selfs some embarressment, pfft

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05 Feb 2015 16:49:12
Were inside the final furlong,jacks dampers are out in force. what are the hiding in there?

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05 Feb 2015 17:27:12
For somebody with disinterested at the start of your nickname, you seem very interested to me. Very strange that.

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George I have read this thread several times the only person who mention's fraud is YOU, if I'm wrong please point it out. What we have been saying is he has a conviction for tax evasion, now you are saying the same thing, but your new argument is that it was ok because it's in south Africa. I'm starting to think your just some daft we 15 year old, who is not even nearly as smart as he thinks he is either that or your tripping out your box.

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05 Feb 2015 18:25:47
Fab1….I would like to mention fraud. from start to end. fraud

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Fab you think what you want as there is none so blink as one that fail to open there eyes, fab? Fab at what, fab at not talking sense, is how this 60year old man sees you, I have forgot more than you will ever learn , fact.

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Dave king was originally charge with fraud this charge was dropped'fab you ask me what I do to support the team, I was a season ticket holder for 36 year 3 years ago I though, no more books till these robbers are removed, though I am a current share holder, I also had shares under, David Murray, before it went tits up, so believe me oh fab 1 ime not a wee boy tripping out my trolley like you suggest, ime a 60 year old, ex grafter that likes to play the stocks and shares game

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George I never at any time asked you what you do to support your team, I'm actually concerned for you now, your answering questions no one has asked. We were talking about whether dk has a criminal conviction, he has. Listen why does your team need any of these con men, gangsters or del boys. running a football team with a large fan base is relatively simple , you don't need millions or billions of pounds , you need a few good men at the top who hire a good and honest chief executive he in turn hires a good young disciplined manager who in turn finds some good young hungry players and then you give them a bit of time to make it work. Meanwhile you live within your means and never mind about past glories or what other teams are doing.

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I'll leave it up to the reader to decide who is talking potatoes in this thread. When we're 1 or 2 years down the line, and we've been done over again by the King consortium. don't say you weren't warned.

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04 Feb 2015 13:41:16
I think Ferguson and vuckic are out of contract in the summer, May be wrong but if the board sorts itself out and these boys play well anyone think they may like to stay lol?

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04 Feb 2015 12:16:21
I see some of our "fan experts" are rating the individuals from Newcastle. How can you rate anyone you've never seen or heard of until 2 days ago?

I really do despair at the direction our fans are going in, and it is now blatantly obvious that no matter who takes over, or who we get as manager, or what players we get there are an awful lot of people out there who are just a lot of Victor Meldrews!!
Pull your heads in and START supporting the team, the club, and get back into Ibrox otherwise it ain't going to be there much longer.
Before jumping on the bandwagon, I also am a Victor Meldrew because I'm always complaining too but I don't sign off with silly things like RTID or WATP. If you are a fan, then lend your support NOW, these youngsters from newcastle need our backing, not instant criticism!!

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04 Feb 2015 12:58:03
Yes bill I will give them my support from the Louden.not a penny more

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04 Feb 2015 13:04:52
if it wasn't for the direction majority of fans have chosen then there would no chance that we are about to get our club ran properly for the first time in 4 years without the pressure that the fans put on the board we would not have provided this opportunity for David king and 3 bears to purchase shares and now become board members you can keep trotting along to ibrox if u want good luck to you until rangers are in safe hands thousands will not be back

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I have seen vuckic bigirimana Ferguson and streete play football lol! And I would take a 2 year old over foster as the guy just gets pelters all match and should be taken out the team for a while!

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Wee bill your right these clowns will finnish the club if the 3 bears lose and ashley wins the lunatics will takeover the asylum and rangers will be no more ta

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Weebill forget supporting the team and start supporting the club! I'm Of an age where I also don't get all the letters after a post either but what I do understand perfectly well is the need to vote with your feet.

Forget boycott, it's only a word. The people on here who refuse to attend the games do so because they firmly believe its in the best interest of the club. Now I know full well its starving us of much needed revenue but it also spells out how much Ashley is loathed by the support. This is what shareholders need to know when it comes time for this e g m.

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Craig well in mate, but some of our own can't see the woods for the trees eh,

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04 Feb 2015 16:39:24
yeah I no George let them think what they want that's there opinion find bigwull calling fellow fans clowns and lunatics bit insulting board is robbing him and he can't even see it its just laughable if they can not see the truth then good luck to them

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@6 and some on here want to chop the trees down so that there will be no woods. Support our team back to the top don't just come crawling back when the board has changed and claim it was your boycott that done it, we can have both, a new board and a full Ibrox.

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04 Feb 2015 18:02:17
100% continuing to burst my tits!

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Craig and george if the 3 bears lose to ashley and u carry on in the same vane clowns and lunatics will be mild to what I will comment when the club is gone if ashley wins and support carry on in the same manner with boycotts etc ashley will just close the doors witout any cumpunction and rangers wll be no more ashley will claim the money on a tax loss and that as they will say is history

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Craig king and the three bears could have bought rangers out of liquidation or paid green hisv £14m when he asked and these two figures would have been a whole lot less than what its costing them now and maybe will still not be enough if they don't get required amount of votes come the e g m

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04 Feb 2015 20:41:01
Just take another offer. simple. What's hard about that. the forensic investigation of the books now that's a big big problem for green and his doormen the easdales.and every one and there granny knows that

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04 Feb 2015 22:15:15
Bigwull I could call u all names but a bite my tounge I am not a child to so wilk not result to name calling do u research into why king or other business men couldn't buy our club at the time cause am sick of telling people who do not take it in ashley would rather the club went into administration than David king get his way so if u want support ashley on u go boycotts have forced change like it or not so people that say they haven't have got it wrong big time

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Craig no harm to son that's bunkum I do no support ashley merely stating what will happen if he wins the day at the agm and putting ranges into admin would not help ashley one little bit as all agreements and contracts for merchandising would lapse in favour of the administrators or at least would have to be renegoiated

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Bigwull so did Ashley pay the14 million you mention? No he paid sweet fanny Adams, loan loans loans, so if you want to support our team under such circumstances well just you carry on, Jyf so if mr king and the three bears get this lot out, you and people like you can claim no victory, no, you can look in the mirror and say to yourself, guys like you kept these robbers at our club longer than need be, how much have you gave to these robbers so far?cause one thing you have gave nowt to the club, you have fed the board and there bank managers, bunch of crooks the lot of them, but hey at least I know I have not gave one penny to these conmen.

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@15 all the wages have been paid thus far, out of season ticket sales and match day ticket sales initially then unfortunately from loans, if we don't pay the wages we will be docked points first then eventually relegated if it continues and we will end up back where we started. We are now being robbed of our assets which are what the crooks want, if we get Ashley out then we can all claim victory but if the boycott goes on and gets worse what will the consequences be?

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05 Feb 2015 09:46:41
Ashley in the event of admin has plenty to gain he has all the assets opinion to purchase the whole of rangers retail in event of administration a certain pr man sayed other day ashley will crush David king withing one year if not he will fold the club sayed ashley doesn't give a fig it is pocket change to him this is total disregard for our club and us fans ashley does not like getting beat in business and has plenty to gain threw administration

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Craig now I know what my mum used to mean when she used to say it's like banging your head off a brick wall, trying to put a point across eh

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@18 we'll don't let me stop you! You don't get it do you I bought my ST, not to put money in the chairmans pocket but to pay in advance for entry into Ibrox to support my team which I do every other week. The fans are Rangers so why would you boycott your own club? And answer me this if you will, how exactly are you supporting Rangers these days?

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05 Feb 2015 18:21:09
jyf just do what u want mate I pointed out what ashley has to gain yet u have nothing to say on that one so not going justify how and what I do to support the club as george says it like banging your head of brick wall

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Craig, I don't know what you are on about, I want the board out, I know what Ashley is up to and I also know that if you are not going to Ibrox or buying the merchandise then you are not supporting your club. We will only get this lot out through the shareholders, we are quite close just now but I think Ashley has more tricks up his sleeve. My question was a simple one, why no answer.

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05 Feb 2015 19:40:51
yeh no doubt ashley will have tricks up his sleeves I have lift time memberships in rangers first and rangers supporters trust mate that s how I am supporting my club I wish I could go back to ibrox with all my family but am afraid I can not while this board remain I want take my nephew but I can't cause not putting money in there pocket that s where it is going it doesn't get spent on the club hopefully we get this egm and get it over the line for the sake off all our supporters

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Here here

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Jyf ime a sheer holder are you?.

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Jyf I have shares in the club do you, like I said above, was book holder for lots of years, but 3years ago saiid enough a enough. I also had shares under David murrays stewardship, so is that what you do to support the club, buy a book, well at least you will sleep easy at bedtime known that you bought your season book, brilliant, but in my eyes you have helped these people overstay there visit, but like I say, that's my opinion,

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04 Feb 2015 11:28:15
Heard from a relative a while back that he was instructed by McCoist not to try and beat a man but to get the ball in to Daly as soon as possible. Sums it all up!

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Mccoist left the club last year and was there as manager for 3 years prior to that and your relative is just telling you this now?

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Laytex, my post was in relation to the one about Fraser Aird further down the page. For some reason it appeared out of sync (possibly my fault). So if you take it in that context, I was only passing on what I was told, that the boy was discouraged from taking on players by having to conform to McCoists one dimensional tactics. But that doesn't take away his own responsibility to improve his skills and fitness.

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No probs mate, tbh the only person at rangers a would ask to beat a man is templeton, and he never played as much, so mccoist was probarly spot on with what he was asking

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04 Feb 2015 11:27:42
i think with these loan players and now talk of getting someone in on a free transfer the board are realizing there are going lose there power so in latest attempt they are trying get fans to vote in there favor they are going try every trick in the book yeh the players maybe better quality no doubting that another season in the same league would be disastrous for this board and Ashley and this is the reason why they gave us these players they will be worried about there bonuses increase in season tickets and sponsorship money they couldn't care about the state of the team and have proven this before do not be fooled by we where meant to be downsizing just have a thought for the long standing rangers staff forced out the club before u swallow any of this boards pr stunts

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Craig I have all the sympathy in the world for the staff that have lost there job but when there is not enough money in the budget cuts have to be made unfortunetly players have contracts that either have to run down or paid up and the stark realty because of cashflow the cuts had to start somewhere but f some of the highly paid players could have helped by taking a wage cut after all the total wages of the staff that were paid off if every player made a contribuition and our former illustrious manager what it would have been peanuts compared to there earnings of which they would all be inthe highest tax bracket therefore taking the tax into consideration it would not have cost them a fortune but once again like like all the rest of rangers problems all caused by greed pure greed

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04 Feb 2015 11:22:52
Wish the union of fans would stop complaining about every single thing, we need a voice but not these guys. now questioning whether these loanee's are better than our own youngsters? Have they seen Aird play? These guys are young but have European experience,international caps and el games under their belts they will be good signing no matter the motive. Give the guys our support and hopefully start winning games

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04 Feb 2015 16:09:26
Spot on. All they do is question absolutely everything. I understand they are concerned but their influence on decisions is minimal. I can't wait to see the new youngsters play, think its great for the club. our own youth are too inexperienced at this level and we've missed our chance to play them over the last couple of years.

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04 Feb 2015 08:45:16
My fellow bears I have now joined Rangers first and I urge all my fellow bluenoses to join up and one day we will have our club back in fans hands again we are the people

www.rangersfirst. org

Ed please post

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Southside bear goodman that's the way forward all bears should dig deep and join

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04 Feb 2015 06:52:36
I know the boy loves the club and has a big heart, but I don't see what Aird brings to the team, other than a little bit of pace. He's only got one foot, can't kick a ball properly and has zero technical ability what so ever for a winger. I'd love to see Temps being given as many consecutive games as Aird's been given.

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Against lower opposition who sit back he is useless but on the counter the boy is very good. just like old Burke couldn't break down a defending team.

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04 Feb 2015 08:54:15
Airds issue is he has stumbled in his development. This is due to the coaching staff who have failed. Aird is really good at ghosting in from central positions. He is worthless out on right side. Aird was meant for sitting behind a front 2. But this where Nickly Law is also "apparently best placed" I thin Aird gets it tight from fans but for a young guy he has shown at times he is capable.

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Old Burke lol. What age is the boy 33?Hope for me yet. I agree with the OP, but I heard there is more to it with Templeton.

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Aird is woeful and think anyone with half a football brain realised that he was never going to do anything on Sunday. Even before the game you could tell what was going to happen with him. Hide for 45 mins then get hooked. Templeton needs a run of games in the team

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04 Feb 2015 12:49:42
I agree about Aird. The boy is obviously loves the club, but we need more than that. He just doesn't do it. He can't beat a man and can't cross a ball. Don't know if he isn't being coached properly or whatever but I would say Templeton is a much better player. Obviously more to his situation than meets the eye! Maybe all will be revealed when McDowall finally leaves.

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04 Feb 2015 20:17:43
Simple reasons, wee, Airdy, doesn't have the strength to cross the ball, nor the guile to beat a man, Temps is a cellik fan, therefore doesn't really care and is only here for wages,, we have sunk to the depths under Ally, his talk off "wee airdy and wee blackie " was embarrassing, these guys should never been near Ibrox, I can feel the Gers are heading back soon, and these players will revert to their real standing in football, just like Wylde, McCabe, etc, like English 2nd div,

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Tommy51 I would say it would be more like the conference where they would find there level and had black commited his betting follies in past regimes hs head would have been slapped silly of the revolving doors on the way out with his kit following quickly but he was one of allys men

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Noddy I also love the club, do you think I could get a contract lol

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04 Feb 2015 06:41:43
Simonsen (Bell when fit)

McGregor Jig Streete Wallace

Aird Bigi Law Temps

Vuckic

Miller

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Hate law playing in a midfield 2. for me

Simonsen (bell)
Mbabu McGregor streete Wallace
Hutton bigi
Law vuckic Templeton
Boyd/Clark

Or maybe even try 3 at the back?

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04 Feb 2015 08:57:34
Be a mistaken not to play Miller and Boyd with the new loanees. If anything they will create more chances. Boyd and Miller have not had any service all season. We went a 3 game run there where we had 7 shots 3 goals. But it won't matter, King will likely send these players packing when he wins the EGM and replace them with free agents as that's all you can sign outside of the transfer window.

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Aird are you joking? Take it u haven't been watching him? I wouldn't have him near the team and why play McGregor at right back? McCulloch is done too and is now a liability

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04 Feb 2015 00:51:08
Dave king to make statement later today (Wednesday) telling us his plans for rangers fc under is watch, telling us how it will be after the e. g. m. Seems he has spoke to shareholders and he has a lot of confidence, in getting the cowboys out of the saloon, brilliant I say, brilliant, bring it on.

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04 Feb 2015 00:52:20
Does anyone know why Scott Gallacher, ryan finnie and kyle mcausland were released? I can't remember seeing any of them play so no idea if they were any good.

No chance of seeing gasparotto, halkett, callum gallacher or barrie mckay play any time soon either.

If these guys aren't any better than simmonsen, foster, smith, mcculloch, black etc there is something seriously wrong at murray park.

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I think we may see gasparotto he is a different class to most of our youths Halkett was told on summer to find a new club and then the club retracted and told him to go on loan.

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Gasperatto is out of contract in the summer and its likely he leave. Another youngster with potential that will slip through our fingers

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Will be gutted if gaspo leaves

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Surely gaspo has got to be offered a new contract.

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03 Feb 2015 23:12:11
i have read all the posts we are a totally fragmented blinkered support all the ranting and raving about ashley king and the 3 bears say nothing I would put king and ashley on a par to be trusted all the comments of total boycott if ashley wins egm if ashley wns and boycott carrys on there will be no rangers no ibrox and no murray park posts saying ashley does not want to fund the club to make it back to the top if that was the case how will his retail deal ever make money how wll his loans be paid back the only way he can get a return is by making club sucessful we all want the 3 bears to come trumps but if its ashley there will have to be a massive dose of reality if not rangers are doomed the concensus that he wants ibrox murray park turned into money that would not cover his loans u cannot get planning permisson to build on murray park what would the stadium be worth not a lot its not newton mearns that's my thinkng if by chance kng and bears don't win as I say its a massve dose of reality

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04 Feb 2015 02:00:10
Ashley does no fund clubs he loans them money for a fee.
In our case 26 percent of all retail deals, 75 percent of future shirt sponsorship, rights to our badge and 600,000 to cover the cost of closing 2 shops.

All this for an extra 2 Million and a possibility of 5 million more on his terms.

He does not care if Rangers are a top team as long as his products sell. Just look at Newcastle the team are mid table and will never be better but as the fans turn up at St james park and also buy his tops he his happy.

MA believes the rangers fans like Newcastle will come back and he can make money with them being mid table team.

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Bigwull that must be how he makes so much money from Newcastle united eh, the have been in european cup on numerous occasions, winning it 22 times, no more room in there trophy cabinet for any more trophies, must be brilliant being a fan of such a great trophy winning club ohh for those days to return to rangers fc eh, not having dig at new utd supporters, only at fat mike.

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04 Feb 2015 07:01:07
I have asked this this question before only to be told I was a fool and ignorant by the ed , maybe he is right because I still don't get it . The comparison with Newcastle is a non starter as they get 80 to 100 million from tv money without any fan going to see them . Rangers need to be successful, ie , competing at the top of spfl and in cup finals or as has been shown in the past ( 5-8 thousand at games pre Murray ) or no one comes to see them and they sell no merchandise, so ma makes no money.

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Whether its loans or whatever he funds club and anyone who puts money in expects it back no one will put money nto football without wanting it back please some common sense

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Bigwull can you explain to me please just what more Ashley can do to convince that he's entirely the wrong wrong wrong man for Rangers? How in gods name can anyone who weighs a merchandise deal for example, 76% in his favour have the clubs best interests at heart?

You are only stating the obvious when you say we are fragmented as a support. That will never change at Rangers or any other club for that matter.

For the more enlightened among is however there is a clear choice to make here. Put your trust in lifelong Rangers men who offer investment, communication with the support, and the promise of a fans input going forward as a club. Or alternatively put your trust in THE most unsavoury uncommunicative character in a long long line of unsavoury characters who promises nothing other than the absolute certainty of continual greed.

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Ciicsy as I said on my post and earlier posts prefer the 3 bear option but if that's not to be what then stick two fingers up to ashley we know what that would result in rangers no more that's what will happen he could shut rangers down and claim hiss losses against sports directs profits that's what he will do if he is not given at least some support if he wins e g m god forbid but should he do so I for one would give him a chance even if its only to give the 3 bears a chance to regroup and try again but still think ashley wants to make a go of it because newcastle if not sold by the end of the season as long as they survive in premiership it will be gone before the start of the next

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Ashley knows mid table would be no good for him with rangers the gulf between the premiership and the s p l is wider than the clyde if rangers were in mid table in any league next season u would lucky to be 4000

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Bigwull Ashley makes far to much money from Newcastle united to give it up, he has been trying for years to sell it?the only person that makes money at rangers right now is Ashley and his muckers on the board, and that is his only interest, money, do you honestly thing he will, sell new utd,?he has took 40 million profit from them, doesn't invest just takes takes takes, so do you honestly think the guy will change his way of life in regard his love of money he is getting every penny spent at our club as it stands, the guys only interested in making money for his greedy self and his shareholding friends, why can't you understand that pfft.

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