Rangers Banter Archive December 04 2013

 

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04 Dec 2013 22:21:02
If everyone sticks together we will get rid of the in the boardroom and behind the boardroom, they put a couple of so called decent people in charge (ceo & chairman) and create confusion amongst the gullible fans, its called DIVIDE AND CONQUER, so don't fall for there BS, its the same behind all this.
so don't be anymore naive than you have already been.

getting rid of the board and the behind the board is THE ONLY answer to take us forward, anything else will be a disaster, the stealing will continue.
Guaranteed

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Totally agree op. if you're a supporter who does not blindly accept everything the board/pr/manager puts out, then somehow it makes you not real. I only hope the shareholders are not as stupid as the head in the sand, blue tinted glasses brigade who see and hear no evil.

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Chaps. You are deluded. Majority vote now sits with The Easdales and their backers. Even McColl now concedes he will have to compromise because in a democratic vote of shareholders. he will lose.

Green is behind the holding companies. Blue Pitch & Margarita. AGM will see no change and NO meaningful agenda items.

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@2 are you telling me the easdales and other institutional investors bought several million worth of shares at and after the IPO only to be told how to vote by Green!

you say green is behind the holding companies?
I understood that RIFC PLC is the holding company, which owns subsidaries
The Rangers Football Club ltd 100% (Green removed from board)
Garrion Security 100% (green removed from board)
and
Rangers Retail 51% (green removed from board)

I think some others may be blind to the facts

JG

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@3. Let's see how the AGM is controlled by a meeting agenda with nothing of substance, and plenty of diversions. No doubt there will be plenty of filibustering going on to avoid the real issues during the AGM. like I said. deluded.

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04 Dec 2013 18:48:25
George on Rangers FC - Its funny people occasionally come on here and say let's talk football not all the boardroom s***e

that is the way I feel now.

Went on my Rangers memory harddrive (I downloaded hundreds of games over last few years as many as I could that I had actually been at), sat up all night and watched all the great games and against the people looking after our title for us at the moment. 4-4 Fleck/Cammy game 5-1 and 4-1 Souness year, Coops League Cup penalty.

I watched the PSV away 3-2, Juve 2-0, Cup Winners semi Bayern and the final
Novo penalty shootout

Big DJ's header in League Cup final v tims

The Tam Forsyth 3-2 Scots Cup Final

On advice from John Kerr Portman Motors watched the 1962-64 Rangers and the Dundee cup final brillian, Baxter my second fav ever Ger (yeh Coop is 1st).

I think I must have watched the most of my 48 years I supported them (2-0 Morton 1965 my 1st game) up to the 8-1 recently my last trip up

I ant to get back to the football and the banter on here even with tims it is what the old firm is about bragging rights and wind ups

My favourite moments in all that? 2-2 game 9 men 3 players sent off was my best moment in IbroxHelicopter Sunday, 3-0 Killie in 7 mins title over and the Dunfermline league decider Arteta penalty. hundreds others but tose and the Bradley Kerr piss take the Arbroath game years ago

Board sorted. 2 season and hope we back to banter and us continuing with number 55

RTID george

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04 Dec 2013 16:10:53
Just a wee question on football for a change.
If as expected both Celtic and Rangers, get through in cup and are then drawn together at Celtic Park, would your players be overawed to be playing the champions of Scotland and would your players take their cameras to capture the moment as most small teams do when they come to Parkhead. lol Timalloy (ps, I secretely love Rangers, just dont tell anyone on the otherside)

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{Ed039's Note - What does the camera thing have to do with football Mr Malloy? If you want to talk about football then thats fine, I will publish your posts, if you want to take this piss, then I will take the piss with your posts)

Timalloy what if Celtic get drawn against rangers at ibrox in the semi final will the Celtic players be bringing their cameras to take pictures of the most successful domestic team in the world. And still breaking records all the time. Lol you hate us cause you know you will never be better than us lol.

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Haha funny pat but actually true also.

the sound of crashing bottles would echo loudly throughout he stadium as honestly they can only lose

if they beat or even hump us it is down to our 4 years in the wilderness and their years of quality opposition and financial success due to fortunate easy passage to CL group stage with the new format removing having to play the real bi teams in qualifying.

however with the pressure and the revenge mode Rangers will be on I honestly feel we will at least give them a hard game and if luck on our side we will beat them

i admit that when in future league race over a full season it will take a gargantuan effort to win the SPFL 1st time of asking

but with their bottle always in question and them being in europe till december we will have a fair chance to win at 1st chance

possibly being a dreamer but I do feel celtic have and will suffer badly from lack of competition in the SPFL it has to affect their mental attitude

heres to finding out though my choice be better in another years time

george

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04 Dec 2013 18:27:27
Ha ha ED039 I will take your wee "add on" in good humour.
But you really must learn the rules of a BANTER site, of course I was taking the Michael and was on a wee fishing trip, as was my want in the past.
A wee laugh never hurt anyone, looks like a wee nerve was touched by myself, I had hoped for some "bites" and you duly obliged lol Timalloy

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{Ed039's Note - I know, thats why I done my wee add, you dish it out, I will give it back)

Timalloy celtic players should be taking photos of morton

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Bears I was just thinking what would happen if a rangers player had put his hands on an official like the dundee united player he should have been banned for months its a disgrace the bias in scottish football

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A just had to register to point out Boughera got a whopping 0 game ban are you for real

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04 Dec 2013 13:59:59
George here as a follow up to my last post

Regarding our potential 'new board'

Is it just me or how do other bears feel on this:

Today we see a story come out about the requisitioners latest move in their quest for power.

We get a statement of intent and a picture of three of them with a sheet of paper which they claim is a commitment to never allow Ibrox to be sold etc etc

I honestly do not know if it is just my tired mind missreding the situation, but it looks totally amateur hour stuff. They just look like three sad losers desperately trying t salvage a place at the big boys table with a wee piece of paper and a smile.

This is about a multi million pound major investment required to, as I see it, save Ibrox from becoming the next pawn in this financial game of musical chairs and possibly even 2nd Admin.

I have said from a long time back and I am starting to feel this more and more, put up or shut up.

If they want the Rangers fans, who are the most important chess piece in the whole game, to come on board with them then money talks. Put £20million in a holding account. Have a top sports and commercial lawyer oversee a legally binding contract, have all 4 or 5 people concerned (I am assuming Mr King would be keen) sign a legal declaration that in taking over at Rangers these funds would be immediately available to put us on a sound financial footing and in this legal contract list the factors that you propose including stadium naming, training ground rename, NO SALE EVER OF IBROX, no salary for said boardroom team until in top league and a business plan of cost cuts that will balance the books to show a trading profit rather than a loss, specifically with salary of Manager (Allly if still there) and coaching staff more in line with SPFL standards (low). Players salary caps too.
A proposal to initiate a fan based share issue to allow part ownership AND a representative on the board would seem a clever and sensible move also

Just those basics alone being dealt with and they would instantly have my vote. I hope I am not being presumptious but I also feel this would convince investors AND the broad fan base of their suitability to run Rangers Football Club PROPERLY!

Me personally reading another lame promise with hastily arranged and I feel amateur photo shoot I am not remotely impressed. More and more I am starting to acknowledge the opinion of my fellow Rangers fans that have felt all along that the blue Knights offer was nothing special and since that day NONE of them has bothered to put their hands in their considerable wealthy pockets to buy shares, like proper serious businessmen do everyday when interested in buying a Company.

Do you think Donald Trump would say "I am not paying over the top prices to these tightfisted Aberdonian farmers holding me to ransom in my Golf Course venture in Scotland. WHY SHOULD I LINE THEIR POCKETS!"

Ring a bell?

It is about big business and how much you want the thing and if you prepared to pay top dollar to get the deal done.

Every true bear I know would jump at the chance to do this were they in the position to.

The argument that they got rich by not being stupid with their money is really not impressing me anymore. McGills is a thriving successful business, the Easdales love them or hate them, are risking their 'hard earned' buying up shares and I am sure the people at Laxey are shrewd businessmen (McColl says they are) yet they too are 'risking' their 'hard earned' or investors/clients money I suppose.

I feel like a traitor in my slowly diminishing support of McColl and co. but every time I think back to Blue Knights and Greens offer to buy "Rangers" I can't help thinking why the F**K not put an "offer they can't refuse" as I am sure the Easdales would phrase it lafs. £11m wuld have saved us all the last 2 years s***e.

What do my fellow Bears think?

RTID george

(Les up soon if there any meetings arranged will be there)

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Hi george

meeting in Loudon on friday 7pm George as the highs and lows of this come to an end and G_d almighty there, s been plenty of those we have put our money down and went with our choice win or lose i, m very happy with our actions since that mad wee day in front of Ibrox, where you nervously tried to tell us what was going on at out club, I thank you for starting the ball rolling. plus points of our endeavours some of the good guys i, ve met big craig, michael, gordon, and billy and watching our wee group grow and our online comunity. down side the black arts that goes on i, ll never read another board the same way again, some of these people should be ashamed of themselves
how it will all go I think it will be fine
and once Mr Jackson is finished even better. the Easdales if there Rangers men will have done what they had to do and i'm glad that the requisitioners got down and dirty for the cause. never relinquish see you friday or saturday

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Interesting thoughts George however that would require an investment of £50-£60 million to buy out the existing shareholders. Now in order to do that you need to own over 29. 9% of the club shares and then you are in a position to offer to buy out the remaining shareholders. The major issue with what you have said is these guys want the benefits without the outlay. All of the people that everyone wants rid of are the ones who actually put their hands in their pockets to bail the club out while Murray tried to rope in anyone with a few spare pounds and McColl did nothing. Well actually that isn't true about McColl, he waited till the deal was all done with CG and then he tried to offer CG a few extra pounds to hand it over, that is the kind of man that all hopes are being pinned on. The main problem is that the consortiumfans need to own the club and take it our of public hands before they can just hand the club £20M million as you suggest. If the club is owned by shareholders then any money comes in goes into the big account and at the end of they year that will be declared as profit and the shareholders get their cut, unlike your Man City, Chelsea etc. who are privately owned the own can do what he likes. My opinion is keep these charlatans as far away from the club as possible, they are the ones causing all the problems and IF they are serious then tell them to raise the amount of money needed to rid the club of the current owners and then they can say they are in it for the club and the fans because at the moment it looks like they are in it for themselves.

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04 Dec 2013 16:12:26
I'm losing faith in the Murrays and McColl by the day now. Very disillusioned with all three of them.

I'm hearing how Rangers are in grave danger unless the Requistioners win the vote at the AGM and yet despite all their wealth as far as I'm aware not one of them have bought a single Rangers share (around 40 pence at the moment) in the lead-up to the vote in order to improve the chances of saving the club.

Instead they just seem to be hoping for the best while the Easdales and others put their own hands into their pockets.

And as for Malcolm Murray, he's beginning to sound like Charles Green but without the media skills with all this talk of big investors ready to come in, selling a million shirts per year and joining a European Super League.

I'll repeat my point, if that is all about to happen why not try harder to gain control of the club by actually buying more shares instead of going on about getting 'Rangers men' on the board. None of them are acting like real 'Rangers men' to me at the moment.

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I might be up by friday but if not I am up for xmas and new year george

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To all the above. For the last time McColl ain't going to put no money in simple fact. The murrays the name says it all to me really. They are just dreamers and even worse dreamers without money. We had a guy called Murray before and he was a dreamer to. Look where that ultimately led us and at one point he supposedly had money. The one person I wanted was king but that's all went quiet aswell. As for raising more money honestly who has any left to invest. In reality the only way to raise the income of rangers is by raising season ticket money considerably. As for you all so desperately wanting change I will say one thing on that careful what you wish for.

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George, in my opinion, McColl was being used as a figurehead for the power seeking Murrays. McColl knows his way about in business circles and the other two tried to gain power using his connections etc.
Now that Mr McColl has moved aside I hope they fade away and let the board get on with their job.
I believe that the Murray's want something for nothing and administration would have been their best bet. That would have been disasterous for us as no decent investor would have looked at us again.
The best for us, to move forward, would be for the existing board members to be re-elected, with the exception of Stockbridge and the Murrays told where to go.
It is time certain sections of the support, prompted by the murray gang, pull in their necks and stick to following the team.
I am sure investment will come when the investors see light at the end of the tunnel after our recent boardroom turmoil. [ just ask yourself one question-------- ''would you invest in a business that had as much in-fighting as us?'' Simple answer-----NO.
billyb

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I hope mm and his crew win at agm mm is a respected man that has people and shareholders willing to invest but only once current board are removed I think dk would also be involved current board have no investors or they wuold have said our biggest shareholder are asset strippers that says enough for me

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04 Dec 2013 13:05:23
Been reading this site for a long time without ever posting, but something has caught my attention recently which has annoyed me. I'm sick of seeing folk say someone is not a "real Rangers fan" because they don't support the manager. Answer me this, was it ok to not support Le Guen? Yes it was, I'm sure the majority would agree. So why is it different with McCoist? His time as a player is irrelevant, people can see through his BS in the press and can see his flaws as a manager just the same as we could see Le Guen's shortcomings. Also, I haven't missed a game in 15 years, home or away including Europe. I don't want McCoist in charge any longer. Does that mean I'm not a real fan? Absolute nonsense. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

For the record, I'd have loved nothing more than McCoist to get us back to the top and prove me wrong by putting a run together and winning the SPL in style. I just don't think he will ever be a good manager, he seems lost most of the time tactically. I don't like the way he has gone about the rebuilding process on the pitch. We have stood still, paying over the odds for players we simply don't need and playing a brand of football that is probably the worst I have ever seen on a regular basis from a professional football club, let alone one playing against vastly inferior opposition.

But the biggest problem for me is his constant BS talk in the media. I believe McCoist is a puppet for those above him, and that those men are rewarding him financially to butter the fans up.

Here's some examples of why;

- Ally endorsed Whyte as having Rangers best interests at heart. "Utterly convinced" were his words.

- Fans weren't buying season tickets from Charles Green, McCoist endorsed Green and fans bought in bulk. Ally gets share issue where he can buy at 1p. Ally then comes out and says he "bought as a fan", ignoring the knockdown price which proved he certainly wasn't buying as a fan, as fans were paying 78p.

- Once Green turned sour, Ally endorsed Craig Mather, again he had Rangers best interests at heart, just like Whyte and Green.

So is McCoist just the worst judge of character ever, or is he being dicatated to from above and being paid handsomely to do so, then swinging with public opinion in accordance with what's good for Ally when all turns sour? I know which I think it is.

- In 2012, McCoist and his backroom staff said they were working without contracts, yes? Green comes in, gives him a contract. When annual accounts become public knowledge and we see his ridiculous salary and bonuses, Ally makes a statement saying that's still the original contract he signed when he became manager, which happened in 2011. So which was it? He also says it was "just put in front of him and he signed without reading it. " Again, utter BS.

Now I get that some may say he would have been expected to back his employer, and I agree. However don't then come out when everything turns sour and backtrack on everything you have said previously to your own back while you take thousands more to the bank. That's complete BS and those who take off the blue tinted specs see right through it.

Ally McCoist is a Rangers legend as a player, great goalscorer, that will never change. But he has been handsomely rewarded for that over the years, let's not forget.

Ally McCoist of today is simply an Ally McCoist fan. He looks after number one and doesn't think twice about lying to the fans the same as the rest of them. Take the blue tinted glasses off, think about the points I have made, separate the two Ally McCoists and see him for what he has become. He has taken ridiculous amounts of money from the club, money that he hadn't done anywhere near enough to warrant. He has changed his opinion on a regular basis, publically, in order to save face and I firmly believe in my heart that he has told many a lie to Rangers fans.

I am not asking anyone to adopt my opinion, you are all entitled to your own. However it is mine that Ally McCoist is a much of a "spiv" as Whyte, Green, Mather and God knows who else has been profiting from this club. I really hope, if and when we get ourselves sorted at boardroom level and the right people come in, that they remove him from the club so we can finally start fresh.

Apologies for the excessively long post folks.

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MUR

you put eloquently and perfectly what most intelligent and sensible Rangers fans think. I agree 100% with everything you say, it is this BS cheekie chappie stuff I hate more than anything, you only missed one thing his disgraceful setting up of those three judges was for me the lowest dirty trick he has done. Anyone that is aware of the more extreme elements of our support especially in Northern Ireland would realise fully what that could have led to. I thought he should have been sacked there and then.
The salary ignorance again total c**p how stupid does he actually think we all are? Clearly the fact he has got away with it to date he thinks we are mugs.
I actually feel genuinely heartfelt sorry for the blind faith bears. It is not a bad thing to 100% love something and believe in it with that blind faith, it is more about the type of man that ABUSES that faith/loyalty. For that reason I can't fault my fellow fans that still love him and support him.
Spot on post

george

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Mur no ally ain't a puppet for all the board he is a decent man who gives people a chance. Meaning he believes they are genuine so he says so. How is ally supposed to know they are dodgy before they have even done anything. As for not liking Le Guen that is different and went eight games in a row without a win. Ally is doing the job he is supposed to be doing taking us back to the top so why hate him and want him sacked. Yes he might not be a great manager but this is Scotland so he doesn't have to be. You hate ally for the simple fact that you believe he is in with the enemy for his own gains I disagree. Ally was told by green at the beginning this is what we can give you salary wise and here's some shares for your loyalty to the club over the last couple of months. Stop accusing ally of something you have no proof of. You just sound sad. Now if it does emerge that ally did endorse these people knowing they were corrupt that's a different story but till you know for definite stop calling him this that and the next thing.

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@ George

Thank you for the kind words, keep doing what you're doing.


@ Pat

Sorry, but at what point did I say I hate Ally? I don't hate anyone. I simply passed on my opinion. I also did not say he endorsed them knowing they were corrupt. I said he endorsed them all, but when it turned sour he backtracked to save his own skin. For that to happen on more than three occassions, like clockwork, seems very strange to me.

Then on to your point about the job he has done. I disagree that he has done the job he's supposed to do. Yes he won us SFL3, big deal? Yes he is going to win us League One. Again, big deal. Anyone could manage thiese feats with the vastly superior rescources available to them against part-time opposition.

What about the 15 point lead we blew from October '11 to December '11? What about Malmo? What about Maribor? Falkirk? QoS? Dundee United? Inverness? What about the absolutely atrocious style of football he has us playing? You see where I'm going.

How anyone can take all of this in and still think McCoist is the man to take us forward is beyond me, it really is. Uf this was any other manager he'd have been hounded out donks ago. He has had umpteen chances. Let's not forget he has the easiest task of any Rangers nanager in history, he had the chance to rebuild this club with a fresh philosophy, an exciting style of play that could be our blueprint for success for years to come. But instead we've gone back to the dark ages.

So Pat, next time be sure to fully take in what I have written before getting back to me, if you wouldn't mind.

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Mur
1. You did not have to say you hate him the way you talk about him says it all.
2. You can only play what is put in front of you so he is doing the job he is paid to do.
3. How many games did Celtic have in hand 2 so in reality it was only 9 points. And in reality do you not think with whyte in charge there were rumours in the dressing room that things were about to go tits up so the players and maybe his own mind weren't on the football.
4. Maybe they all did seem genuine you can't exactly be a conman if you can't be convincing. And like I said maybe ally is a very trusting guy. You can't prove he ain't.
5. You want to believe ally is a s dodgy as the rest of them. And yes you never said you hated him but all your comments about him are ones of severe dislike. Which is the same as hate

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@ Pat

I give up on you. I have presented an opinion along with numerous facts to back up that opinion. You have responded with typical blinkered points that have no real substance. He will clearly always be Super Ally to you. Enjoy.

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Mur2054 I agree with everything you say but unlike you I don't know how to work laptop to type long post we seen am was not capable of the rangers job when walter smith had to come from the stand to get us results in cup competitions also ws advised am to walk away with him he must have known what was about to happen I wish he had listened to walter smith

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Mur no you presented me the version of the facts you want them to be because that suits your agenda best. As for me always being a super ally kind of guy that's just a cheap dig. I agree that ally is no great manager but I ain't prepared to make his name muck because of it ally is doing the job he has to do. Therefore he does not deserve the sack. Now if there comes a time when he stops doing his job I will be first on here calling for his head. Just without the insults ok.

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04 Dec 2013 12:55:45
A great result last night and a record broken. There's great team spirit in the squad and that's something money can't buy.

McCoist is doing something right and although I don't expect the anti Ally brigade to let up on their rants here, I imagine the beating of their drums will be quieter.

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04 Dec 2013 02:09:02
What was all the comotion at front of stadium tonight?


wullie (chomp)munro

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It was stockbridges and irvine sasses collapsing

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04 Dec 2013 02:07:49
Ally received a lot of support tonight. proved he was right cancelling the first fixture

wullie (chomp)munro

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