Rangers Banter Archive August 04 2012

 

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04 Aug 2012 22:47:22
see fleck is in good form for coventry never giving his fair chance as att mid or striker looks like we have lost out again could be another charlie adam quality player when played in rite postion

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When he went to Blackpool he played initially, then he was moved to the bench and then by the end of the season he wasn't even getting in the squad. That told me a lot about him.

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A lazy player, thought he was something.

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He is a good player and watch in few years time when he is linked to bigger teams him and mcoist had i big bust up wa im that why prob never got his chance and when he did it was out of postion and mccoist got habit doing is with players barrie mackay aint a left winger either but played im er last week that aint going give the lad any confidence he is only 16 17 so should be up front and i would back im to score goals

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04 Aug 2012 22:20:56
Celtic fan here. Firstly I will really
miss the games against Rangers. Hope
you are back soon. Secondly I have
just watched the game between G.B.
and Korea. GB are out after extra time
and penalties. GB goal keeper was
dross. Am I right in thinking that Alan
McGregor was keen to play for team
GB? If so Im glad they are out as
Pearce seems to be anti- Scottish.
McGregor is a class keeper who would
have saved most of the Korean
penalties. FW

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Well said mate. Disappointing to see no Scotts in team GB. Typical that Stuart Pearce runs a team who's downfall was a missed penalty haha.
Dtp89

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This annoys me. Pearce wanted Scottish players but the players were basically told by sfa they'd be hated by the fans for signing up. Was gutted no Scottish players were on the team {Ed039's Note - Some said they would play but I think the SFA were being a but snide and underhand, I think had there been a chance for Scots to play without fear then Jordan Rhodes and James Forrest would have been in that squad for sure)

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Pearce What a c**t

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@1: wasn't Scott Sinclair playing? lol {Ed039's Note - Yes, and? Isnt he English?)

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@Ed039: @1 said there were no 'Scotts'! {Ed039's Note - Aaaaaahhhh, penny drops now mate lol)

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How can it be a Great Britain team with no scottish players. Appreciate there are no Northern Ireland players there but we are not part of Great Britain (before someone who doesn't know their geography jumps in, we are part of the United Kingdom but not Great Britain)
Paul Belfast

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04 Aug 2012 20:39:20
We dont need youg players who will bust a gut for one game because brian laudrup is there we want player who will bust a gut even if his granny was scouting for us its not the scout that makes the player its himself.;;;;; Cooperboy

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04 Aug 2012 19:29:47
Killie v Rangers - last season attendance 15,000

Killie v Dundee - this season 6,000

They can talk all they like about not missing the Gers - but the figures speak for themselves!! WATP

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Correct and they charged us £10 more per ticket than they did today. Sore one!

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What a pointless post...

Fans at every SPL club knew attendance would be lower, prior to encouraging their chairmen to vote u to the third.

Dont confuse wishing us wanting our clubs to generate incomr, wuth missing Rangers.. Celtic might miss you, but everyone else is glad justice is being served.

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Having said that......6000 not a bad crowd for that game ,remains to be seen if the killie fans and others turn out every week of the season though

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Yes and 39 out of 42 chairmen voted rangers out of the SPL, said no to div1 and against the rules voted rangers into div 3 for the good of the game. Fully in the knowledge there would be a financial consequence. That's integrity! You don't have integrity gloating at fewer gate receipts.

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Integrity here we go again what integrety was there in the voting the spl clubs wanted us put in the first division the sfl clubs sai no which was their right then the spl chaiman said we need the rights to rangers games in the third to sell to tv companies they still need the cash we bring to the game and ask the killie chairman what he thinks of a 9000 drop in crowd on first day remember the crowd will fall at each ground as the season goes on and next year down again and next again down unless there is a league reconstruction and the spl chairman shehorn us back up sorry im thinking to far ahead and that wouldnt be seen as "sporting integrity " or would it ? ;;;; Cooperboy

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4) it was warned that this would happen and were told that home fans would make up the missing numbers. That was never going to happen and these figures prove that. Don't be surprised if Killie are the first of many that will not survive four years without Rangers.
Hope the 667 killie fans voted against us in SPL realise what they have done to their own teams.

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@3 nonsense, all the tims on here were saying the other teams would see an increase in their crowds.
What about the 'sellout Saturday' what's that all about?

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@2 nonsense. Every spl club was boasting that their season ticket sales were up.
Doesn't look like it - hearts average last season 13381, game yesterday 13022, St Mirren last season average 4493, yeterday 4104 and creme de la creme Smeltic average last season 50904 yetserday, first league title in 4 years and flag unfurling day 48251. Stats from spl. Even P Liewell can't spin this one.
Add the less than expected TV deal, apparently £50m instead of £80m maybe puts his negotiating skills into place or lack of. He's only good at his game when he has his own people in the places he's dealing with.
@4 Integrity again! The spl clubs' fans threatened their own clubs with boycotts if they kept the RFC in the spl and even threatened other clubs with boycotts if they voted yes. Integrity?

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Killie rangers last nov 9000 of a crowd not 15000

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OP, you may want to check your information. Killie had one home game against Rangers and the crowd was under 10,000.
Al

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Rangers v killie last season.crowd?probably 40,000.rangers v killie this season?not happening.away and play peterhead.

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There is little difference to Killies gate receipts in comparison to playing Rangers.
The OP is mischievous.
First week SPL gate receipts are up on first week last year.

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04 Aug 2012 19:18:01
was up at ibrox today getting my tickets for me and my mate and a seen sandaza outside ibrox lots of folk seen him hopefully hes going to sign with us

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After his snide comments in jan keep him.Another player nobody seems to want

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04 Aug 2012 19:10:53
i think we need to re structure our scouting system, fellow blue noses ! ah don't know about you but if i were a youngster and were playing against us & my manager said to to me that Brian Laudrup was here to whatch you from Glasgow Rangers .. then i would bust a gut... but if he said , Alex Clelland was here then it just aint the same ...is it! get Mr Laudrup involved Ally it's a no BRAINER ! W.A.T.P what's your thoughts ?

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Totally agree, why not get people like Laudrup, Albertz, Mols, Numan etc to be scouting & coaching for us.

Scouts & coaches like this would surely be able to pass on great knowledge to young players and would be great ambassadors for the club. I would much rather pay them £7k a week rather than some of the has-beens that have been mentioned.

The Pilot!

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Didnt know rangers had a scouting system?....look at celtic who always seem to unearth a few gems i.e. kayal,izaguire,hooper ....with a big sell on value,our scouts must be watching games blindfolded

ian

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04 Aug 2012 18:50:54
i am not beeing funny but do u not think its about time green started buying players instead of all freebies one quality singing could see the club make a very good profit in the future green get ure money out all these freebies aint the way to assemble a squad beattie will never stay fit and same goes for kyle
get the money out an show the fans u mean business

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And paying the kind of wages he is for a division 3 club isnt showing us the money

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A quality player wont play in the premier league in scotland let alone the 3rd div.

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Would need to disagree mate. Decent players have came to us to help us rebuild our club. Think we've done well recruiting with out paying fees. And the fact that they decided to come and play for us despite more attractive offers elsewhere is a good example of just how big a club we are. Greens doing good for us so far.
Dtp89

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One big deak will get the fans on side what happend to green showing the documents for who owns the car park stadium and murray park sumthing is going on hear dont be stupid and listing to this mr green we need proof put it to bed then we will back im

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04 Aug 2012 18:41:36
Wouldn't mind Reynolds but not sure if he would come tO be honest

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To be honest hes probably a sfl player at best

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04 Aug 2012 17:49:08
Let me tell you how I feel about Rangers next trophy being their 1st debate, last year Rangers had 50/130M debt, offered 8% of it back and creditors said no thanks we would rather you were liquidated and got nothing than take 8%, this season your owner is boasting about being cash rich and in one year will have the best balance sheet in the country. So oldco had 50/130M debt and 100+ trophies, newco have started with no debt so im afraid must start with no trophies, only way to make next trophy added to your 100 and odd is to pay back everything you owe IMHO VEGIEBHOY!!

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Am afraid m8, it doesn't work like that ! new company old history.... simples

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The newco do have debt, they have to pay all football debts.

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Vegiebhoy. Rangers have had to accept all the football debts from the old co, plus any sanctions/punishments for any contract wrongdoing that may be proved. So, if they have to take the bad from the old co then they should surely take the good also ie. the history. Its not fair to just pick and choose which parts of the old co transfer over as then we have nuggets like you picking all the bad stuff and trying to right off all the good.

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What difference does it really make if previous trophys are counted or not.
You can't change the past. What had been has been. Surely what happens in the future counts for more. Surely the next trophy that is won is the most important, otherwise every football team in the world
Would be as well as chucking it.

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Why did we need to have sanctions then no matter how many times you say it rangers then rangers now rangers forever, what happened to all the loyal support 10,000 short aye best fans my a**e

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04 Aug 2012 12:03:54
Billy Dodd's refers to his EBT as " just paperwork? "

This paperwork, he suggests gave Rangers1872 "a small advantage".

Ah so there was paper associated with these payments that weren't stipulated in your contract Billy?

Stop digging son!

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Every time they open their mouths they stick their foot in it.
Those Olympic Committee boys know about sporting integrity. Pity our SFA doesn't deliver the same up here.
The SFA....140 years of going easy on Rangers and now doing the same with new Rangers.

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Dodds done Rangers no favours with that terrible interview.The fact he denied having had an EBT payment does not make things look any better.

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Do you rockets actuaully read the comments, he has saidvhe had an ebt, and the important bit was that his ebt was used as a way tovterminate his contract terms. Now geniuses remember dual contracts are only in breach of sthe rules if contractscare used to pay players for playing games. Nw can you explain to mevhow paying to terminate a players contract can be described as paying the player monies to playvfootball for you.

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Firstly it's his story he was paid £190k tax free as some sort of severance payment. Fact is he got paid out of jersey tax free.
Fact is it was hidden from SPL and SFA against the regulations.
Fact is it wasn't in his legal contract lodged with SPL and SFA.
Fact is his employer was illegally giving him money tax free.
Fact is he took it tax free knowing he was a taxpayer.
Fact is it was his last months wages.

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Doddsy would be best advised to keep it zipped as he's not exactly University Challenge material.

Here’s what he told the Herald a few months ago:

“The full story is that David Murray came to me and asked if I would receive a payment that was due to me, after tax, through the EBT trust. And I said that I would. It was money that was owing to me when I had six months left on my contract and I moved to Dundee United. After the tax was deducted, that money was put in the trust fund.”

So he’s admitted that Murray suggested the EBT to Dodds (not allowed as for an EBT to be administered legally it must come as a request for a loan from the employee) and that the EBT money he received was a substitute for his salary (not allowed either). Also if they were being operated legally Doddsy wouldn’t know if his ‘loan’ would be approved by the board of trustees supposedly in charge of the scheme so why would he agree to take a ‘loan’ instead of money supposedly owed to him?

BARNEY BEAR

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04 Aug 2012 11:20:49
why is Walter Smith embarrassing us even more with his comments re EBT's? he's meant to be an intelligent man, he can't pick and choose when they were right and when they were wrong.his attitude when he knows what went on is shocking and looks bad on us.theres going to be a lot of dirt dug up shortly and by all intents and purposes he's upto his knee's in it.rather than being dignified hes went on the offensive.
I for one am worried about the implications and possible inplosion when our dirty laundry is hung out to dry.

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He can pick and choose to do whatever he wants, he is not an employee of Rangers. He speaks for himself and says what he believes to be true. He has done nothing wrong and certainly nothing that is embarrassing to Rangers.

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If and it's a big if,Walter is found to have been paid using an EBT he is gonna look very silly.

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Walter Smith has lied several times during this shameful meltdown. He said the club was always run properly financially up until Craig Whyte. Got to be the biggest lie spouted by former Rangers men.

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What's the difference between Walter Smith, Craig Whyte and Dave King?

Smith's the only liar not to be called one in court by a senior judge.

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Some of you should remember Rangers are not the only club to run with debt. It's not unique, we are not any different from thousands of others.
Now we are of course.
The EBT's are yet to be proved. Even if they are, remember we were advised, no-one has hatched a plan to cheat and steel etc etc. some of you are starting to sound like blood thirsty Celtic fans.

GDog
RTID

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They can strip us of titles all he want, we won them and no matter what, they can't aid away the reality of the memories!

J

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Guys believe this or not,and its not a wind up,theres more to come out that is worse,it involves bribary,dont no exactly wot or who but believe me its still to come out..gaz

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Poster 5 - if someone 'advises' you to break into a house and you do it, are you therefore innocent because you only acted on 'advice' ?

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Bribery at least spell it right why dont we get fined for the trouble at tannadice the other night sure it was our fault youve got us guilty of all crimes for god sake give it a bye

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Interesting to hear from Walter. I've heard from a usually 100% accurate source that Walter did have an EBT himself at Rangers, which I don't have much of a problem with but that he also had one from Ibrox when he was managing elsewhere, either Scotland or Everton.

Anyone else heard anything along this lines?

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Ok clarify ebts are not illegal up to 100000 have been used across the uk the grey area is how theycare implemented now i dont know about the multitude oof tax experts on here but i leave it to the company i work foto ensure my payments fall within the legal tax rules. So what exactly is to be uncovered walter took advantage of a tax efficent scheme as offerred by his employer he didny play so dual contracts arent even an issue with walter so what is his ebt crime

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@11: HMRC have said that the system was used wrongly in that they weren't loans so tax is owed.

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04 Aug 2012 05:43:40
SPL TV money is down slightly, says Neil Doncaster
03 August 12 20:21

Neil Doncaster is calling for Scottish Premier League fans to turn out in greater numbers ahead of the new term.
The league's chief executive remains tight-lipped on the value of new broadcasting deals, warning only of a "slight" reduction.
"Whilst the money is not as high as we would have hoped, there is still some security," he told BBC Scotland.
"The numbers are down slightly and it's really for clubs to try to maximise income through the gates."
ESPN have followed Sky Sports in announcing a five-year agreement with the SPL that also allows them to broadcast Rangers games in the Third Division.
The broadcasters had been due to sign a £16m annual contract to replace their £13mi-a-year deal this summer, but the collapse of Rangers had given them an exit clause.

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04 Aug 2012 09:43:52
I still wont be taking out any tv subscription.
While the new deal simply confirms the importance of RFC to the Scottish game, signing up for a new package merely contributes to the coffers of the SPL clubs.
SKY/ESPN are dependant on the numbers of RFC viewers to make this worthwhile. The contract money, albeit less, is important to most SPL clubs. The same clubs' fans were threatening their own clubs with non purchase of their season tickets to have RFC thrown out. Money to sky/espn, indirectly is money to each spl club.

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Oh dont you realise bitterness only drags you down Let it go Move on and support your team whatever division they are in

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Ever heard of the saying "cutting off your nose to spite your face" ?

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Once the contract is signed it doesn't matter whether you take out a subscription. It's not based on subscriptions kept or renewed. The only thing mass cancellations will affect is the next contract value when Rangers are probably back in the SPL. So wil probably hurt your own team.

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@1,2 and 3 check out the agrees and disagrees, night night bhoys.

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04 Aug 2012 09:35:45
WALTER SMITH last night challenged the SPL to come up with proof that Rangers used EBTs and dual contracts for players while he was manager.
An independent commission has been set up to investigate the Ibrox clubs affairs. However, former boss Smith said: All I hear about is talk of stripping Rangers of titles.
But any alleged wrongdoing involving EBTs and contracts has yet to be proven.
I belong to that section of the Rangers support who wonder when the game will consider that the club has received enough penalties and punishments for whats gone on.

WHY HASNT ONE JOURNALIST SIMPLY ASKED HIM?

Because they daren't question Sir Walter of Smith, he's petrified the truth will out! And the "legend" who let Rangers1872 be liquidated then insulted folks intelligence by submitting a bid AFTER they have done so will be discredited more than anyone thought possible!

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Walter belongs to the section of Rangers support, a small element, who didn't put a penny in to Rangers but pocketed millions. Those Rangers supporters who were management and Directors.

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The MSM are corrupt. That has been proven by the award winning "Rangers Tax Case" site.

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McCoist and Smiyh were on EBTs, you better believe it. All the legends were tax evading scoundrels fully aware of how they were being paid. One African former player has gone to the press expressing his shame.
Funny Smith coming out the day after SFA give the membership to criticise the SFA.
As manager and a director on the Rangers board, smith knew everything about EBTs and how they worked, he knew how he was paid and how his players were paid from his budget.

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WHY HASNT ONE JOURNALIST SIMPLY ASKED HIM?

Eh how do you know they didn't? Maybe he said beforehand that thta line of questioning wouldn't be answered.

Maybe even for legal reasons he can't comment.

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Democracy, where 1 genius = 1 idiot, or where 2 idiots can out vote a genius. Maybe not totally on this theme, but I think strachan has a point

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04 Aug 2012 09:25:04
Gordon Strachan has blamed fan power for the demise of Rangers.
The former Celtic boss has never hidden his contempt for those outside his own footballing circle and was regularly sounding off about internet forums and radio phone-ins during his four years at Celtic.
Supporter anger played a huge role in persuading SPL and SFL clubs not to promote Sevco following the demise of Rangers.
Despite the warnings of Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster most clubs followed the wishes of their fans as Sevco were refused a place in the SPL then in the First Division.
The new era of the SPL gets underway at lunchtime today when Celtic face Aberdeen but as two of his former clubs meet the former Middlesbrough boss questioned why supporters and lower league clubs were able to decide on the future of Sevco.
Looking on from a distance there seemed to be a lot of fans talking about what should be done to the game, Strachan explained. The clubs appear to have listened to them so those fans now have a duty to go and support them.
This whole situation is the chance for the phone-in fans and the keyboard cowboys to actually get out and support their teams.
All those punters who said their team couldnt get the chance to finish second now they can. Lets see what youre made of.
Strachan added: One Sunday I was bored out of my skull and I decided to add together all the crowds in the Scottish Third Division. The total was 2,300 and these clubs get to vote.
Im not having that. I think the strongest clubs those with the biggest crowds should have more of a say.
Why are we listening to people who can only draw 200 to their games? If they cant be bothered to support their local club why should we listen to them??..it seems as a Celtic fan Lennon should get some credit of rangers fans for this support of they it was dealt with...but alas there will be loads of disagrees because a lot of people only want read what the media let them to stir it up.....gujo

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It should not matter.To look down on small clubs is ridiculous and unfair.A fan,who puts cash into his club,is a fan who deserves to be heard.

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1) the problem is that they don't support their teams. Clubs with 200 fans have decided our fate. For once in my life I agree with Strachan, never thought I would say that.

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I think his point is that a third div club with 200 fans had one vote the same as rangers and Celtic. With 60,000 fans at a game and millions around the world watching telly, bringing 99% of the money into the game, why only one vote?

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Geez.. listen to yourselves .. we've got more fans so we should get more say.. sorry, extra fans generate extra cash for you and you deserve that advantage. you took the.lion share of the cash from tv, and that's probably correct up to a point... but all association members should get a single and equal vote.

Maybe we should go the whole hog and just let rangers and celtic deciee on everything... oh, wait.. that's how it was until your club was mismanaged. suck it up. justice has served.

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04 Aug 2012 08:49:14
How come Ally Transparency McCoist still hasnt demanded to know the names of the SFA and SPL bigots Charles Green was yapping on about? Greens outburst and the Stewart Regan hand-clapping gesture at Glebe Park was totally cringeworthy stuff as he desperately tried to sook in with the Rangers fans.
Cheeky Charlie also behaved like a spoiled wean when he told the rest of Scottish football: We dont have the same debts as you.
All that was missing was a quick: Na-na-na-na-na!
Of course you dont have any debts, Charles. Multi-millions were wiped out when you screwed 276 creditors by liquidating Rangers and forming a brand new football club. Its really not much to gloat about, mate.
And just to set the record straight you werent denied entry to the SPL as a result of bigotry. No new club has ever been admitted to the top tier.
By the way, Charles, if you want to talk about bigotry, why no comment on newco Gers fans singing oldco songs at Brechin? Surely you must have heard it? Particularly with those lugs.

Tam Cowan, Daily Ranger

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Fed up listening to all this about rangers support.singing sectarian songs did any here the other mob today the amount of.bile.they were singing i wonder i the sfa will deal with them

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04 Aug 2012 07:51:29
Why did Charles Green state on June the 11th that if a C.V.A wasn't accepted then everyone would be taking the history if this great club and sweeping it under the carpet? Then last week before season book renewals come out and say nothing has changed??
I won't be back while he's there he's in this to make money and can't do that with rangers in div 3 and paying 7g a week wages!
Campsie Bear

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Green is being advised by Media House PR,Whyte's advisors.Alarm bells should be ringing with this guy.He says what the supporters want to hear cos he needs season ticket money.

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The concept of a liquidated football club continuing its history in a Newco is ridiculous.

No matter what nonsenses are put forward it's just not possible.

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It's a new football club which has kindly been admitted to SFL division 3 without the prerequisite 3 years of playing in the regional leagues and subsequent clean accounts. Oldco never produced accounts for the last two trading years. How oldco's accounts can be used in lieu is baffling.
I suppose accepting penalties for entry might make up for it but that neither implies nor states that history is transferable as that is an impossibility.

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2) - well why is it possible to strip rangers of titles, surely that is impossible if we dt have any? It's official rangers have 54 titles still against name. Deal with it and move on, nothing that will happen will take away the pain of getting smashed by us! Roon ye!

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4) The SPL can take titles won by RFC from 2000-2011 as RFC won these titles by playing players they could not have attracted without EBT's. If they are found to have given the players wages that were not disclosed to the SPL then they will take action against the former club!

Sevco can't loose any titles as they have not won any yet! You've no history as you are a new club.

And incidentally you should "deal with it and move on" i can't remeber the last time we got "smashed" by any team in Scotland.

@HailHail #CelticFamily

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04 Aug 2012 02:32:41
There's a number of trolls on this site with the sole purpose of destroying any chance of recovey. Their aim is to destroy Rangers. Buy season tickets by the droves and if we go into administration in December at least it won't be in a months time. Support the team now with money now. If we do go into admin later the chances are that fans would get most if the money back. Don't listen to the crap,

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So nobody should question Green? Nobody should call him on his lies and distortions? I bet you welcomed Whyte.

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This is not my Rangers!
This is Charles Green's facsimile Rangers.
A revenue stream for him and his investors.

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If its not your Rangers then please tell us what team you support. A revenue stream for Charles green, that gave me the best laugh. I thought he was doing this for the fun and to talk to the likes of Reagan. You have now made me realise he is actually doing it for the money, shame on him and all the other business men who are doing the same.

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03 Aug 2012 08:28:51
Rangers fans are starting to campaign for War titles to be added to the 54 they already have... Aberdeen, hibs include theirs in their records and Celtic include all their goals scored in their games of WW2 and include leagues won in WW1.......61 leagues and another Star going on the jersey......WATP!





Move along

nothing happening here

bil72

What a disgrace! The SFL continued as normal during 1914-18. It was suspended for 1939-45. Whatever was won during that period was not the Scottish Championship. If you like you can make your own mini league with Linfield and play each other every week for a month. Then give yourselves a wee prize (make sure you pay the engraver) and count that as a league title. Repeat every month and you'll have 66 titles this time next year. Or will it be 61 after the Dual contract comission?

I agree - always thought it weird that some teams took titles in WW1 and goals in WW2. Get them added. Also Rangers 8.1 Celtic then as well.

Ye lets not forgot winning when we win the Division 3,2, and 1 there all championships :P

Why does this not surprise me. claiming titles when hearts were points clear having won their first eight games . the entire team then volunteered to fight in ww1 . only four of them ever played again. celtic were the reigning campions. and running hearts close . seven of them were killed in the trenches . go ahead claim the titles , not a lot of glory though. shamrock

@2, why is what the OP said a disgrace? You seem to really hate Rangers.

Pay the engraver......leave that for the fighting fund to pay.

@2 Dual contract commission? you're having a laugh, Harper Mcleod! independant? aha ha ha ha

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Why do Celtic record goals scored during this period.

Thats the disgrace.

William angus v.c. born 1888 celtic player. he was fighting while you were playing football . wounded 40 times to save his captain , take his glory. shamrock

Know your history Shamerock

Celtic are the team that record league wins during WW1

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Who actually cares about any of this other than than the guys who were injured or worse...wish everyone would gie it a rest about title stripping or adding and just look forward instead of things when the majority of us were'nt even born..

Tam-Sir 1873 Fought in Iraq..

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We are ALL really scraping the bottom of the barrell here. Becoming ashamed to be a Scottish football fan. Whoever, wants to go back into the realms of history, grow up. There was no talk of this nonsense before now......GROW UP!!

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03 Aug 2012 23:12:56
Looking through all the negative posts on here i would like to point out this!

Mr Green etc bought a business for 5.5 million,they then sell it for 20 million.
They take their 5.5 million back and make a 14.5 million profit.
Not bad for a 5.5 million investment or loan what ever you want to call it.

How will they do this?

The business before was running at 10 million loss per year.
They now have the new co merchandise licence worth how much?
They have the corporate and hospitality licence back worth how much?
They have reduced the players wages to how much compared to before?

This is the best thing to happen were debt free apart from the 5.5 million investment .

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Did Craig Whyte not stand on the ibrox stepps and tell us this, QUOTE we will be back bigger, stronger, than everbefore, Lets see where we are in 3 or 4 years time. Not nice but it gets rid of the debts made by the previous chairman etc.

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I think youll find the investement is far higher than 5.5mill.

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@1 Yes very nice to be 'rid of the former debts' but at what a cost to us all and to the creditiors?Please don't forget them in all this sad story.Some folk really suffering by our 'unpaid' debts.Not all good for them

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03 Aug 2012 23:03:24
Would I have vignal back yes on experience no on wages

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03 Aug 2012 21:18:01
Been doing some calculations just for my own comfort but thought I would share. Say 20000 Season Tickets at average £280 £5,600,000. Say that there is also 10000 going to Ibrox every second week payin £10 a ticket = £100,000 and this will happen 18 times a season £1,800,000. Then there will be cup games, hospitality and other income. Remember these are conservative figures.

So I make that all in say £8,000,000
Now many people are makeing a big deal about spending £7000p/w on peoples wages but someone earning that is getting £364,000p/a. Now we could have 20 players on that wage and still have money left over so people saying that it is unsustainable are well off the mark. Remember there are kids at the club that will not be anywhere near that wge.

I personnaly dont think we should be signing players on this wage in Div 3 but at the end of the day if you are wanting to go up the leagues in successive years then it has to be done.

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You're right, every doom-monger is sh!te at sums. Still no need to pay baggio shiels 7k a week though. Could he realistically have got half that anywhere else?!? Same with Mr the hatchet man's coward tackle Black. Spending what you must and no more to emerge through the divisions is obviously the strategy.

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So your ticket money is just for wages? If you think our 8 million income can just run the wages then what's going to pay for the electricity, rates, policing, security, etc? Dillusional if you think all you have to pay is wages......

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The 7k is a sliding contract - by that I mean they will be on 2k or something like that at the moment, but if all goes well and we move through the leagues, this will rise year on year, resulting on 7k at the end of their 4 year contract, assuming we are in the SPL ...... This well known to the press, but negative stories are more appealing to the masses

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And also 364k a year what would the sell on be on these players even in third division they will attract attention get even 500k and it's a good bit of business

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There's 200 wage earners at Ibrox including 600k each a year directors, Ally on £1m, plus his support coaching staff. Travel expenses, hotels, council charges for Ibrox, Murray park and car park, it takes £40m a year to run Rangers, you've only shown £8m income!!!!

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