Rangers Banter Archive May 03 2013

03 May 2013 22:54:49
does anyone know if accounts were submitted in time and if not does this mean we a another year later to play in Europe also though ally said he would know his budget for next season by end of this week

Back to square one with the euro ban i'm afraid. Might not seem a big deal just now but if according to plan we are back in SPL this time in 2015/16 and finish champions (being optimistic lol) or in euro places then we can't compete in europe. Also if we were to win any of the cups in the next 3 years the same applies, no europe. Personally I think its an absolute farce that the club and everyone connected with the club have been constantly telling the support the club is doing ok and there's 21 million in the bank yet they can't put a set of accounts in by this deadline.

There's absolutely no doubt now, there is something seriously wrong they don't want us to see. There can be no other explanation.

Maybe they are waiting for sponsorship money to come in to make the balance look a bit better, hence the stalling! But I think you are correct in assuming something is very wrong!

@1/Spot on mate. As for the £21m? Not a chance of that much. The double digit nonsense should have had the alarm bells ringing.

It's been said many times that European football is essential. You would have thought that after all the talk, it would have been a priority to ensure that as soon as possible. This delay is at best grossly incompetent. It looks worse than that though. My instincts tell me that the financial position is so bad that accounts can't be produced without showing the fans money has gone. Their only hope is another batch of season ticket money and they can play merry go round with it. Now who do we know who's good at that?

@2/ If the sponsorship money actually exists! Green has previous for fiction.

03 May 2013 21:26:22
What's happened to the million pound crossbar challenge Mr green trumpeted at the start of the season? Is it to go ahead Saturday or Monday as they are the last chances to do it?

Yes it will go ahead this Saturday hence the plethora of marketing on rangers official.

04 May 2013 10:57:41
Sorry but it was just another way for Charles and Ahmad to shaft fans for money.

@1. Well did it?

@3 yes.

03 May 2013 20:29:28
Could somebody with a lot more up top than I please try and explain to me what this whole league split is all about and which organisations has all the power as regards eufa.

Looks like sp1/sp2 professional element of scottish game

SFL semi-professional and amatuers.

Painfull loss of 12+ clubs, folding or amalgamation hibs/hearts.

03 May 2013 20:57:15
A question to my fellow bears for debate, ten clubs want to start a SPL2 with Rangers being described by them as irrelevant.
How does this affect our TV rights that the SPL demanded at the start of this season and if invited do we want to go with them. Personally I would tell them to get stuffed. PB

03 May 2013 21:41:37
What a threat! Easy to say when we're NOT invited. I'm sick of hypothetica bravado. Why can't we stand like men and just take the whole thing on the chin. When we're winners we're winners. Let's not be so pathetic when we're down.

There will be no invite.
The 12 clubs r sorted ten plus Dundee plus promoted club from div2.

Particular thistle promoted to spl1.

All decided.

@1 great post! Shame people of the ilk of the OP can't see that! They are the type who think everyone is against them and believe that their old club and subsequent new club can do what ever they like without any consequence!

Well done @1 good to see that all rangers supporters aren't pathetic wastes of space like the OP

I hope if any invite is extended to rangers it is turned down straight away as we will fight our way back to the top without any shortcuts

Glad we aren't invites. Where is all the money coming from to cover the extea teams and new set up. I wonder what will happen when the spl goes into administration.

03 May 2013 20:38:29
Possibility of Rangers being invited into 'SPL2' mooted after SFL clubs sign letter signalling intention to quit the existing division (required 66% signatures achieved). I have no personal wish for this to happen but it was stated today, at the meeting in Hamilton, that the subject should at least be considered. Background was that each club would look for an incentive from Rangers to do so thus giving each team a financial boost. More madness, I know.

No possibility of Rangers being invited, they have already stated this

On rangers, the SFL reply was a categorical "irrelevant" Jabba and STV tried to spin out of it.

If the top professional elite clubs in SFL leave en mass, David Longmuir will most certainly have to resign. It's a huge vote of no confidence in him and proves he was not representing the SFL but his own agenda.

SFL rule 15. 2 allows clubs to leave SFL if they are joining SPL. No need for 66% or two years notice. That red herring was Jabba/ STV deceiving fans again. Why are Rangers fans always being duped? Answer= to get them to part with money. Why? Because Directors and management need a millionaire lifestyle, Ally £20k a week, junkets to Panama,. bonuses, expenses, range rover or Mercedes sir?

03 May 2013 17:52:17
Leaked document on bbc, from Greens people?, very interesting reading. I always thought it strange that the press attacked Green only after he criticised Ally. Has Ally got too much clout inside Ibrox? He is only the manager.

Ally McCoist is not Rangers nor is Walter Smith. They are both tainted by their associations with SDM, Whyte and Green the biggest enemies RFC ever had.

03 May 2013 17:10:35
I firmly believe its not Craig Whytes name on the deeds but SDMs.
I believe the whole thing is a scam to dump £124m plus £47m in debt and EBT liability.
If it is, people will go to prison.

The exact auditable trail of who owns ibrox and Murray Park is a matter of public record, or again, serious criminal activity has been rolled out.

Why hasn't Stockbridge responded to fans requests to show the owners details on the deeds? Instead of showing covers to what could be anything.

Where are the accounts please?

Whatever the debt was it wasn't nearly 200 million. It was a fraction of that. It may have potentially been 100 mill but as it turned out the Ebt debt wasn't that big.

I typed on here at least a week ago that sdm never sold up and that's still what I believe tmwnn

03 May 2013 13:46:51
i have a very funny feeling that sir David Murray is still involved in all this. to many of his old pals either still there or been brought back, I don't think that any business man would ever sell a business for £1, no matter how much debt it was in. I shall be interested to see what comes out in the next few month. I have also noticed that no one at ibrox or the press has ever said a bad word about him.

OP- I totally agree. Right at the start of this crazy situation I posted a wee scenario on to my mates. Whyte had just paid his £1 and I suggested that it was all a ruse. I asked folk to imagine that Murray knew the club had to be put into admin/liquidation but after all his gloating and success with Rangers he simply couldn't bring himself to be the man associated with doing it. in steps Craig Whyte, someone who is happy to be the face of asset stripping and company liquidation. I said that I wouldn't be surprised if this happened then when the club was in a more manageable financial state Murray would sweep back into power like the percieved returning hero to banish the evil do-ers. Mates suggested that I was living in a fantasy world and I sounded like a paranoid 'timmy'. Subsequently, Murray disappeared off the rader, said nothing which was a bit odd for a man who has always had plenty to say. As I sit here now I see nothing to suggest that my apparent ramblings were nonsense. In fact, there are some friends who now think I'm not as mental as they first thought.

Seriously. If SDM was in any shpe or form involved in any way with Shwite don't you think he would be on the top turret of his xastle shouting about it. Sounding like Paranoid FC

@2. Nothing would surprise me anymore. At the end of the day all football fans are at the mercy of the people who control our clubs until we notice and take a stand. It's very naïve to think that the people in power give any kind of a s**t about the fans. They only blow smoke up our arses now and again to make us part with cash.

03 May 2013 02:53:04
anyone know what has happened to Gordon smith, the reason I ask is everyone gave him stick for not coming out with the truth about whyte, now mcculloch has revealed in his book that everyone knew the situation was bad, ally, Walter and the players, why are there guys not getting the same stick as Gordon smith got.

Not sticking up for WS but he was not at Rangers wben White was there. If he said anything it would have been regarded as hearsay. He could after Green sells his shares tell us the truth but I can see a lot more books being sold on that subject.

1) Wrong Smith.

Gordon Smith never had any suspicions at all about Craig Whyte whatsoever even when rumours were rife around Glasgow and guys like John Greig were walking out the boardroom door.

McCoist, McCulloch and a few others have seriously let the fans down. Winning the league was the bare minimum that could have been expected of them on the pitch, but they misguidedly kept the dignified silence and let the bears know what's really going on and then endored these shysters on their word when alarm bells being rung form many sources. And now Lee wants us to pay him for what he claims he knew all along, two years too late. They are the ones that have been doing the duping, and the fans are the ones that have been duped.

03 May 2013 19:13:51
Too right no. 3. If Jig knew what he claims which I do believe then he should have spoken out, that would have shown real loyalty to Rangers not just staying on because nobody was remotely interested in signing him and paying him the wages he's getting at Ibrox. Never was even very popular before at Ibrox so I don't see why he's sudenly supposed to be a legend.