Rangers Banter Archive July 03 2011

03 Jul 2011 23:03:59
ed. see lik ally went on scouting mission to argentina. as river plate have been relegated dont you think he could or should move for any players he thought he could bring in , seeing he could get them on the cheap ?

Rhysrfc

{Ed010's Note -Rhys, I agree with your views but there is one major problem with signing players from South America and that is that they won't qualify for work permits. Any player that Ally may have identified would either need to be playing regularly with his national team or he would need to hold an European passport.

They need ex amount of INT caps to gain a work pemit or altern a passport for an EU country. UK border rules...

Not like Holland or France where they can take all the young gems... Look at fat ronaldo, started at PSV and Ronaldinho at PSG, Germany too they can take them all

Why would you want anyone from a team that got relagated with river plate where it is nearly impossible to for them or boca to get relegated

03 Jul 2011 22:31:26
ally has told you all the truth now..its obvious that mr whyte has a massive job on his hands just to steady the club and the tax issue is not simple- its complex and going on from here is a waste of time as you wont want to think things could be so bad and you will say Im lying etc...it will take 5 years minimum to sort it all out.

How do u know? Are you a current expert in the finances of rangers...

5 yrs.. if the case is won then its won, theres no back lash. If we lose then yes perhaps ur right.

"steadying the ship" is obvs what hes doing but again, I dont see your 5 yr theory and how you can justify that?

Whyte has already brought in people to sort the finances out and build the rev up via the brand name and also other plans.

Everyone is entitled to post what ever they want but just stop making out like things are worse than they actually are or have to be

03 Jul 2011 22:08:32
mccoists on sky sports pages saying we need quantity not quality for the season ahead?. im sure it was the other way around last season. mr white im wondering where this 12 million is or even the 5 million per season?. ally sais we are working to a tight budget so does smith. would someone inside ibrox please stand up and make yourself heard this debacle has gone on long enough the fans want to know whats going on. we will end up with a dodgy rep if white wont be more honest and no player will want to play for us.

03 Jul 2011 21:57:54
Everybodies panicking because the longer this rumbles on the worse it looks....and its a possibility that we might need to sell everybody to keep the ship afloat a fire sale so maybe if we sell the family silver now we can get more for it..I dont honestly think the p.r. about the tax case is true maybe if you want to be very optimistic you could say that we might be lucky but the excise people dont do test cases they do the real thing and I dont think they would waste there time on nothing as they are accountable to you and me and all tax payers and we cant let rangers off if the laws been broken and I dont see that Mr whyte is a mug either but this is the type of circumstances in which Im led to believe he specialises in but its not a sure thing
that the rangers we know and love will survive in its present form and it has to be said other clubs will go to the wall Im sure even the other lot will be at risk too ...The times they are a changing people..

03 Jul 2011 21:04:44
If football was about friends we would have had man u players every year, sir alex grew up a rangers fan and was also good friends with walter smith and we got nothing, so why would a man who doesnt care about rangers start handing us players just because he 'keeps in touch' with durrant. What do you think ed? Saying that my dads friend knows durrant so i'll try and find out any players that are possibilities.



{Ed010's Note -Alex Ferguson has a "duty" to Man Utd first and foremost. At a time when even they are watching the pennies, he is highly unlikely to loan us any of his fringe players, simply because we couldn't afford their wages and Man Utd are very unlikely to subsidise them. With that in mind and if the statement has any truth to it, then I can only envisage "youth" players being loaned to us but we would need to pick up their wages.

So ed the chelsea thing is alot of sh#t dont be an ass about it the guy is only having an opinion


KA

{Ed010's Note -KA, there have been numerous threads over the past few weeks linking us with Man Utd fringe players. I will admit to misreading the original post, believing that the author was asking me to comment about that situation. It was a genuine mistake on my part and I most certainly wasn't being an "ass" about the post or the author's views.

As with any loan deals from clubs in the EPL, Rangers would need to rely on the clubs registering their 25 man squad, before the close of the transfer window. In my opinion, if Chelsea do submit their list of players before then, we might be able to get one or two in on loan but this is a high risk strategy. It may however be something that could be discussed when Chelsea come to Ibrox in a few weeks and that may take the risk out of the situation.

Thats bad craic ed not putting up just coz i said u were out of order this is why this site aint good coz if any 1 questions u it doesnt go on fecking joke


{Ed010's Note -please explain what you are referring to please

Thats a fair point, but nothing has changed financially for them, so if spending nearly 20 million and being linked with players who will cost 20-30 million is watching there budget theres a big problem ed


{Ed010's Note -I agree that it doesn't stack up given the numbers that you have quoted. If we were to be offered Johnny Evans on a season's long loan, we couldn't afford his wages without help from Man Utd. If Evans is on £40k a week and we can only afford £10k, then Man Utd would need to subsidise us to the tune of £30k a week or £1.5m over the season. While these figures may be well out, I am only using them as an example. Man Utd would prefer to loan us "youth" players, who are earning less than £10k and we may get a "gem" for the season and the player gets more experience. Again, I have only used Man Utd as an example but every other EPL will be in the same boat unless it is a player, who they believe may have a chance to become a first team regular in a few years and they then might be prepared to pay Rangers (through paying the wages) to gain experience, similar to Weiss

Sir Alex said recently that he offered players to walter on loan but we just couldnt afford the wages.It was in the paper not long ago

03 Jul 2011 21:03:22
Does anyone no if there is likely to b any developments with regards to alan smith?

03 Jul 2011 20:46:36
What happened to Trickovski and Douglao, I thought they were two exciting targets but haven't been mentioned lately. Also I cannot believe we gave healy a contract, he's truly awful and the only reason I'm glad we signed kerkar because we are all salim kerkar.

Monk

03 Jul 2011 19:38:05
think about this lads,

people on here are questioning Mr Whytes funds - but havent any of you thought about this ..

1. Ally met with Whyte to discuss the figures he would have for the transfer market - if there was ANY indication that there was not a good sum of money there - dont you think word would have gotten out and it would be all over the press? ..

2. Gordon Smith would never have went anywhere near the position he has now if there was again, ANY indication of Whyte's intentions or funds ..

So we are in safe hands, players dont want to come to a "rookie" manager with all the pressure looming over him to succeed.

Lets sit back, and see how the transfer window pans out for us. this is the 3rd offical day of the window, we have over a month and a half to bring players in, so stop all your whining, we WILL have new players.

LewisWATP

Mate thats all bullsh#t u ave just come out with and i dont believe a word u have said

Behave yourself...even mcoist has come out in the press as recent as today and is quoted saying that the budget is extremely tight and that there will be no marquee signings. So much for mcoist being able to front load his transfer budget to £12 million this year if he so wished...what a load of BS this Whyte character has been spouting. At least with murray you knew where we stood...when we were skint, he said we were skint and had to cut our cloth. Also so much for whyte being a recluse and not wanting any of the limelight...he has never been out it since he took over...as much as i hate to admit it, as i think Johnson was a bitter old goat on his way out of the board, but i do think whyte needs watching

Nonsense - Do you honestly believe Ally would indicate to anyone what was discussed. Plus the most Gordon Smith has to lose is 1 months salary.

I wrote the other day that Whyte has set up his business so he cant lose and can then asset strip the Bears.

When this is done Rangers will have a new owner having bought the club after the HMRC case for £20 million + Whyte and Ellis will re-develop Murray Park and SDM will get a healthy backhander.

Whyte talks of being confident about the HMRC case but his actions speak louder than words. His outlay in this is £1 for the majority of share. His limited company is servicing the £18 million owed to lloyds tsb for a maximum of 6 months and that expense will be taken from the club finances. The cost of upgrading Ibrox probably came from the ECL money paid towards the end of last season.

This breaks my heart because it will take the bears several seasons to recover. If the bears go into administration this year points will be deducted by the SPL and UEFA cause bother too.

Marquee signings meaning £4.5m like what we done last year. We need about 6 - 8 players with the budget we've got. That budget includes work inside ibrox. Give the guy a chance.

03 Jul 2011 18:59:54
i have a good source that there was a player at ibrox today to be given a tour, i work in jjb and i was informed by a member of staff from the ibrox megastore that he turned up at half 2 and didnt leave untill the back of 4. i wasnt given any names but if anyone else has heard anything please give input

Alan Smith

Thought he was signing for Leeds? ;)

03 Jul 2011 18:21:29
helo the rangers ed.just popped on to see if the news has broke yet..not yet i see..the same old crap from the same old posters as per usual...keep the heads up bears..theres some good news coming our way by thursday..keep smiling......its been worth the wait.....

What a nonsense post
the tiger - nonsense

03 Jul 2011 17:48:10
David goodwillie was in stirling last night and said he wants to play for Rangers but craig whyte hasnt got the cash :/..and he said if whyte doesnt come up with the cash soon he will be away down south shortly

Nb because he was playing for united at forfar yesterday

Yes ovcourse because u have spoke to david goodwillie and david goodwillie has spoke to craig whyte Come on now timothy run along now

So he cant play at forfor then go to stirling on a night out ??

are u serious mate hahahaha ur a idiot

03 Jul 2011 15:57:50
with us seemingly having offered HMRC 10 million pounds regarding the tax bill and being told no thanks, why does whyte and his team have the confidence to say they will win the tax case?the fans need answers now, perhaps john greig and co were right all along, he bought the club for a pound then said the debt was clear when infact it was moved elsewhere, he aint saying too much considering he says he loves the club, show the fans the respect they have shown you mr whyte.

Lol.lol.yet anther of the great unwashed posting above

Your reading too much into this pal. If this was the case it would have been a headline by now. I heard about this rumour on the DR forum from non other than the Timothys. Don't get your knickers in a twist, if the tax case is as serious as first thought then the Champions would have been chased down by now. If Rangers DO owe the tax man millions upon millions then surely he would be banging on the door. No need for panic my friend.

WATP

We didnt offer 10 mill

WHAT.WHAT...quickly ...throw me my taxman comfy blanket.....you owe millions..rangers didnt win the league..it didnt happen..celtic are champions

03 Jul 2011 14:55:50
mccoist looking for quantity rather than quality no marque signings so much for david murry selling rangers to someone who would take us forward whyte is s**te were struggling to bring anyone in we are not used to this crap when we were in debt we still managed to bring jelavic in we cant even pay wages now to players what the hells going on we need to pressure whyte johnston was right

We're in worse situation now than we were in with sod all players, debt and noone to takeover the club. FFS Rangers, get the finger oot

Wheres the proof were in a worse state coz we havent signed the great craig conway or magnificent neil danns are use the type of fans who throw ur scarfs on the pitch when the going gets tough Use are jokes honestly we are the champions and shall remain champions give our new owner and manager the backing they deserve
Larky bear

Well said

CALM DOWN BUD ITS JUST BEGGERS POSTING STIRRIN THE POT..US BEARS ARE UNITED

We are in a worse state FACT

Are celtic in a better state..lol.lol.go home you celtic bum.....rangers are CHAMPIONS.....FACT

We are champions..FACT..

03 Jul 2011 12:29:29
since it's looking unlikely that Alan Smith will move to Leeds, is he off to Rangers??

I would take him in a heartbeat, and put him upfront with jela.
the tiger

Alan smith now plays in midfield and is nowhere near as good as he was plus he would be on far too much for whytes cash or lack of

03 Jul 2011 11:42:21
Ally has come out and said there will be no big signings this summer and told fans not to expect another "£4m player like Nikica Jelavic" , I am beginning to slightly worry

Did he f**k say that, I have the paper in front of me and he states quite clearly that he KNOWS we need to sign players, they have a list as long as yor arm and he urges the fans NOT TO PANIC, so don't panic, and stop posting p@sh

He did say "no big name signings' also said quantity is what is required - get a grip and realise we have no money - deal with it. If we had money like 10m that whyte was saying we would have signed Goodwillie We will get some no bad players nothing huge

Okay I'll get a grip....................... genius

He did say no big deals moron learn to read be4 commenting plz

03 Jul 2011 09:00:13
Rangers should bid 2m Carlose Cuellar Agree - Disagree

03 Jul 2011 04:43:45
Is it only me who thinks Lee Wallace is completely crap? He has got no chance of taking Papac out of the starting line up.

Wallace is a dud... Bad business for the Gers signing him.

We need a back up left back and Papac only signed a 1 year extension as far as i'm aware Anyone have better suggestions than Wallace?

I have not seen enough of wallace to say if he is pish or not but by suggesting he is that means u think SUPER ALLY is after a dud, I think I will trust our manager's judgement on a player rather than your's

I think he is the best Scottish left back since David Robertson.And we would have won a watch if we get him.He has had Wolves and Wigan watching him.And could move for him.He can defend but equally attack in equal order.And has everything that is needed for a modern day full back.Who could easily play a C.B or L.M.And is only 22, so is bound to come on leaps and bounds.This is why he is already a Scotland international.

03 Jul 2011 00:50:11
BLUENEWS .
Goodwullie to sign for cardiff on monday after medical , this is really getting beyond a joke . Why arent you gers fans wondering about this character ? ASWEDE Get your heads out of the sand , we wont pay more than 5-6k wages per week And thats a fact.........

I think that Ally & Craig Whyte are wondering about the character of Goodwillie.

Do we really need a player who of his obvious ned tendencies?

How's he going to react in the 'Old Firm spotlight'?

Is it worth the risk?

Can we get someone as good without the baggage?

I think ally mccoist is just what david goodwillie needs ally was the boy wrecking chip shops fighting drinking when he was that age

5k-6k a week? Did we not just offer Whitty 20k plus? When we could have gotten Goodwillie for a Mil or less last season why would we pay double that? With 2 court cases over his head and the way the mob from the other side of town treat our players he could be a liability to the squad and himself. Not good business in my book.

I'd agree that we're staying away from Goodwillie because of the risk factor. We don't have a lot of money to spend so £2 million on a player who has been involved with the police on numerous occasions isn't good business.

He'd struggle to cope with the pressure of playing in Glasgow and we could have another Duncan Ferguson on our hands.

03 Jul 2011 00:27:02
Ally McCoist 3rd July 2011
News of the World Scotland

"The priority for us is strengthening defensively. We know the weaknesses. There's still a wee doubt about Madjid Bougherra, even though he has a year of his contract to go.


"If we get the defence settled, maybe we can experiment a little bit more further forward. Carlos Cuellar is obviously a big target. There's a lot of work to be done before we can get anywhere near a deal, but the clubs have been in contact.

Trying to get defence sorted out then go on to experiment