Rangers Banter Archive July 31 2014

 

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31 Jul 2014 10:07:04
I agree with Wee Bill's post yesterday about negative posts which is understandable as I've posted some negative stuff myself! However, looking at Celtic's debacle in their match with Legia Warsaw last night and their dismal CL group performance last season, they are going backwards and ironically are suffering because of the lack of a threat from Rangers. If we get back to the SPL in time for the August 2015 kick-off I think Celtic might be there for the taking first time round. Now for the negative stuff. McCoist will either have to go or start playing more attractive football with a blend of the experience players, new signings and the promising younger players like McLeod, Mackay and Aird who have all looked the part when they have been given a chance. I do agree that the protest of withholding season ticket money has been futile and that the fans should get behind Rangers now with crowds of 40,000 for every home match. Whether King or some other rich entrepreneur will come in with money is out of our hands but for me, I just want to still have a club to support by the time August 2015 comes round!

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Doiger, I doubt we'd be Rangers fans if we didn't post negative comments from time to time after what we've endured.

I've tried my best to view the debacle from a fan's perspective and that from a businessman's point of view, obviously being a fan first. I conclude I don't get the point of the boycott. There's no upside to it for fan or club.

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We have to acept boards position at the minute I always said season book protest was dangerous the one thing that needs to change quicker is the position of the manager if its a bad start to the season he must be dispatched straight away ta

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If it's a good start to the season, will you get behind him and support him wull?

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Doiger- I agree with you that Celtic were cr@p the other night but disagree that they will be there for the taking when we go up. Also, I don't think they are sliding backwards as far as you think. If we were in a champ league group with barca, Milan & Ajax, how many points realistically would we get? Those three have far superior funding compared to Celtic, just as I hate to say it celtic are better funded & have better players than us. I'd say 3 or 4 years in the prem before we can think of winning (at least).

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Doiger, I would be more than happy at this time to be in Selics boots. We really need to get our own house in order before we even try and murmur a word about any body else's affairs mate.

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31 Jul 2014 07:40:43
As I have always stated, the board cannot guarantee assets being retained. In business, circumstances change so financial policies have to be flexible. Like it or lump it that is reallity. That is why I cannot understand the uof's stance. The only logical interpretation is that, under King's guidance, they are trying to bring the club to it's knees and get what's left. Only problem being, there will only be debris left.

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To be honest billyb I have probably given this too much thought over the last couple of years but it all comes down to lack of leadership.
Starting from Murray who initially brought success before ultimate abject defeat and failure when his £1billion overdraft was called in.
Whyte was and not worth mentioning but the Blue Knights turned out to be Blacksmith's assistants and their arrogance about fan's involvement and very belated concessionary talks with the Save Rangers bods typified our lack of strong leadership.
Most of the fans are still hoping for some sort of messiah and saw King as this recently and we all saw how that ended in dismal failure.
The one guy I think who could have delivered with the fans on board but ultimately is not enough of a blue nose and that is Jim McColl.

I think he could have been detached enough but with more than enough business acumen to establish a workable model.

Frank Blin would have quickly got to the bottom of Bill Miller's Black Hole which I think some of us are beginning to suspect is Auchenhowie.

It is too expensive by about £13 million to be a training ground.
Now if as it was intended to do it was producing Gaulds, Robertsons, MacKay-Stevens and Russells then the £14million build cost would have seemed more worthwhile but what on earth is the running costs of this gargantuan blue elephant?

All our managers have been cheque book managers and if or when there is a change of manager he needs to be more Jackie McNamara than big Ron Atkinson.

But until we get someone of McColl's ability but either with more feeling for the club or one who is less concerned about how an affiliation to Rangers would affect his many non Rangers supporting clients then we will probably not realise our true potential. Because there sure as hell ain't any leaders amongst the fans.

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Billyb this is my view on it mate these faceless investers have blown 70 million plus borrewed a million and a half they take 100 pc bonusess so look at the money they have spend remembering any new player was a freebie my own opinion is these faceless people have got back there investment and more now there offering these same people more cheap shares I think they should have invested a lot more than they did they now see it is more of a goldmine than they thought and I honestly think if they had realised the potential they would have invested more but alas they have lost a lot of support from fans and from certain investers in london

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Totally agree lads. The biggest problem we have is that we were left open to money grabbers that see us as a 'dripping roast'. Under their guidance there is only one end product!
Although I criticise the uof for their protests, I just feel they are futile and misguided.
Murray used us, for self gain, and left us vulnerable.
McColl and advisers probably think our 'broken' model is beyond repair.

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I thin mr nash is on short term contract to sell and lease mp back to us end of contract goodbye ; thoughts bears

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01 Aug 2014 23:58:49
nbear, what a fantastic post, excellent, whether you agree or not, well done m8.
tommy

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31 Jul 2014 07:31:22
Surely there are players that are available on loan from some of the top clubs [ England especially. ] Young players need some regularly playing time at a reasonable level so why not try it? Maybe teams would not be interested in using us because of the standard of football, respect of the club/management team or just that they feel that for their players it would be a waste of time. Also, the players might want to come or are too young to get a regular game.

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Billyb you just asked a question, then answered it yourself with 5 different negative scenarios.

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Apologies Ed, last sentence should read ''might NOT want''. Brain not too fast these days.

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Lexlau, Don't think I did. Firstly, by getting good young players, on loan, we would save money, Secondly, if they are successful we may have a good young[ or otherwise. ] player blooded into our club, if we pursue their interest. My question is, why are we not doing it and the maybe's were possible reasons. Not negatives just possible answers. As I see it the benefits are there, so why don't we try it?

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As a says you asked a question then gave 5 negative reasons as to why the loan might not go through, but a get what you are saying, am not sure to be honest any half decent youngster isn't going to get sent to the scottish championship by English teams, when he could maybe go to a spfl team or better still a English championship team

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31 Jul 2014 20:59:08
we still have to pay them! a decent youngster from the prem is likely to be on 5k upwards

why pay that for a loan player when you can get a proven player in on a transfer. I agree at some point that will be the way to go, but we need money to do that

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IIG, we may have to cover certain costs, but to the bigger clubs getting their potential stars playing time, at a certain level, is their priority.

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01 Aug 2014 08:54:00
Why bring youngsters up from english leagues when everyone insists that ally doesn't give enough youngsters a chance
r.f

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R. f. , I think you have hit the nail on the head about the problem. We need to buy a seasoned player and are not prepared to give youth a chance. Why then all the fuss about the sale of Auchenhowie? We could train anywhere.

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Billyb have you seen the stats for youth players playing in last 2 years?

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Lexlau, what stats? Just take a look at the squad for the Derby game.

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It's a friendly, the u18s played Blackburn, more people get game time if the youths play in the youth side, makes sense.

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John, your posts are the same as your logic-------illogical! Forget about trying to win a point and just talk sense.

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N8 billyb its not auchenhowie that's the problem after all gorden durie has got the youngsters playing well its the first team coaches that won't entertain these younger players if we had went down the right road three years ago we would be in a better place financially and could have found a hidden gem but unfortunetly its now to late imo

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04 Aug 2014 00:22:44
Spot on tmwnn Durie has got the youngsters playing well and coming through - it's McCoist that is their barrier to further progress.
"United have signed a gem" re Charlie Telfer said our own fat wee genius- then why the feck did you not give him a chance Jabba?

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30 Jul 2014 23:01:19
cant help thinking 90% of the posts on here are negative, depressing and un-helpful. Can we start SUPPORTING our club instead of moaning and groaning about Ally and the board.
C'mon the Gers - the new season is just around the corner.

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Well said wee bill that's what I have been doing for the last 2 years 99% of what we read is crap just support the team that's all that matters

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Most comments are negative due to the shocking standard of football being played and by players on ridiculous wages. Can you honestly say you are enjoying the standard of football in the last 2 years? Do you think Ally is the man to lead Rangers back to the top of Scottish football?

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Stewie you can't honestly say all the football in the last 2 years has been shocking, just because the teams are part-time does not gives us the right to expect a flawless victory over them. What kind of standard of football is it you remember? Did you complain about the style of football on route to the uefa cup final? Or was that ok because it got us to a European final? Ally's got us this far and he will take us up and we will challenge again.

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01 Aug 2014 01:09:41
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How can anyone possibly compare the teams we faced during the UEFA cup run to the teams we faced over the last 2 years?? That's got to be one of the daftest posts ever on this site. Don't know if u recall the last 2 years against part time players who aren't good enough to be full time. We have played 1 up front at Ibrox against these sides and struggled in a number of those games. In fact a lot of the teams we played finished stronger than we did.

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at no point was a comparing any teams. A asked you what style of football is it that you are used too, that you think is missing from ibrox? Most of the part time players are good enough for full time but they make more money having a 9-5 job.

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01 Aug 2014 19:49:37
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I would like to see players be able to the basics and if u have watched us over the last 2 years there are players that clearly can't do that. Foster, cribari, black, Kyle to name a few have been woeful signings. Even good players like Shiels, Templeton, Law and Clark have went backwards since joining the club. The wage bill to win the 2 bottom divisions has been ridiculous and sorry but these part time players aren't good enough to be full time otherwise they would have been. There is no Longterm planning and I wonder how u will feel next season if Rangers get to the top league and are miles behind Celtic. In fact wouldn't even include them as we will struggle to compete with the Aberdeens and Dundee utd's. Can u honestly say u would be confident in the top league? Finally look at our managers record in the cups! Utterly shocking and the performances against Forfar, Raith Rovers and Albion Rovers were appalling. Still if your happy with that then good luck to u. Many others aren't and want the team to progress and play good football

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Lexlau, if you are happy watching us controversially scraping a draw with Albion Rovers with a goal which, if it been scored against us we would have been going radio rental, well you just keep supporting the clueless, tactically inept manager produce more of the same this season. Do you seriously find that acceptable? I, for one, will chose not to watch this nonsense any longer. I have supported Rangers through some tough times when the jokes about the stands being built the wrong way round as they were facing the pitch, etc but never have I seen so much dross displayed on the pitch. This is easily the worst Rangers team I have seen, are you trying to tell me the Manager is blameless and deserves our support to produce more of the same. I think not. He certainly will not be getting mine.

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02 Aug 2014 12:15:00
great post Blue Velvet there is quite simply no more scape-goats or excuses.
Ally brought all these players in (jig apart) he trains them all, it is his "tactics" and his motivational "skills"
and he alone carries the can for the worst footballing displays I have ever seen from a Rangers team.
Ibrox is more often emptier than full these days and that is Ally's responsibility alone- remember he only wants to talk about football - well sorry Ally but the football is total single fish.
We are leaving early or not turning up because your teams displays are turning us off in greater numbers
Yes I expect more good games this season with Hearts and Hibs but when it ain't these two we will be back to basics- punt up the park 4 5 1 with Black and McCulloch both in midfield slowing the tempo down to allow the poorer quality players to compete with us. And this is my last post Ed because I'm scunnering myself as well as you lot. Good luck to you all

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Nbear c'mon my friend get yourself out of the downer pal ime sure that like myself lots would miss your post senseble posts I should add as well as your witty replies and banter

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03 Aug 2014 16:50:55
tmwnn I'm back but have agreed with the ED that I get a two week suspension on Wedneday. I probably will need to have a richt good moan on Tuesday night to scunner you all so that's your fault but after Tuesday your in charge of the moaning All the best bud!

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Nbear I will except my new job from tuesday but please remember its only tempory till you come back lol enjoy your holiday pal

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