Rangers Banter Archive October 30 2012

 

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30 Oct 2012 21:34:02
CG is the type of guy who would sell your granny a chairlift if she lived in a bungalow

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If your granny is st,pid enough to buy a stair lift when she stays in a bungalow that's her fault. And if her marbles are not all there you should have her in a care home lol

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Please note i stay in a 6apt bungalow in the mearns and i ve got a staircase ,so if needed a chairlift would be fitted ,but at present i use the 2 legs to get to my bedrooms upstairs doug t.s.o

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I was watching a rerun of seinfeld and a wheelchair salesman said
' this model is so good you're almost glad to be handicapped'
i thought of charlie.

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30 Oct 2012 20:34:24
I'm neither a Rangers or a Celtic fan, for my sins I support the Hibees. But first and foremost I support football wherever it may be played. Looking at some of the posts saddens me that some people just can't see the woods from the trees. Scottish footbal at the top level has suffered to a certain degree at the demise of one of our top clubs and we can only hope that through time a better run Rangers will emerge that other teams will compete against. Rangers are where they are through the previous regimes and not through any fault of their geniune fans. As they rebuild it will be partly due to the superb backing of their fans. A bit like the Hibees fans when Mercer tried to kill us off.

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Hibs fan ?? aye right ... ok well am an aberdeen fan and think celtic is by far the biggest and best team in scotland and we should be doing all we can to get behind them they are keeping scottish football going just now inc rangers and hibs ( oh and my own team aberdeen of coarse ) if lawwell didnt thrash out the sky deal none of us would have a team left to support ... yours faithfully tom the tim... ehh ummm sorry i meant jon the don

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Normally I skim read the comments. But I have read the Hibees supporters comment 3 times and can't figure why No1 reply is offended and going to the obligatory "he's a Tim" stance.

Shuggy

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Shuggy. Read the first reply another three times and you might realise its actually a Celtic fan being sarcastic and his post is quite funny. He has actually adopted the obligatory "he's a Bear" stance because the OP claims to be neutral yet supportive of Rangers. Of course he must be a bear in disguise. I may be wrong right enough, I forgot the masses (not all to be fair) don't allow for anyone to be pro Rangers without accusing them of being closet supporters on here and that the accusations of supporting a particular club can only flow in one direction. I can't work out why he is offended either.

Brian

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31 Oct 2012 14:28:23
Shuggy did you not read the first reply? Lol

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Am poster no 1 and iv read my own post back 3 times and i cant work out why anyone would think i was offended ... it was a sarcastic joke

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30 Oct 2012 20:15:57
Statement on Rangers site about FTT results......

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/2515-statement-on-tax-tribunal

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Note hearts now look to owe zlad £22 million and rising on interest payments at rate of £1 million per year.... wowza!

if hearts fans stump up for shares with no future prospect of a return - then hearts survive to end of season, if not then hearts look a gonner.... and follow the CVA route (zlad can achieve this as hrmc only at 25%) - so hearts shed debt, but own nothing anymore.. not ground, not players, nuffin... an empty shell.

rangers seem to be following this route too...

you cant play in a new league if you dont exist.... or have your ground as a bellweather safety net anymore.

rangers/hearts in last chance salloon

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Here is the last paragraph of the statement.

The impending decision of the First Tier Tax Tribunal once again calls into question the validity of the SPL Commission into the use of EBTs. They are clearly a matter for the old company and The Rangers Football Club is trying to rebuild as a great sporting institution

I have always recognised that this is the same Rangers as before, so much as you can jettison the oldco debts and attempt to bury the shame it brought on the club you cant continue as a team and not incur the punishments due for that (old) team if found guilty.

Besides, had D&P handed over the relevant documents when first requested, maybe this could have been dealt with while still an old co.

You cant have your cake and eat it.

As for the last sentence, I found that very encouraging. Even Rangers official website acknowledges that currently you are NOT "a great sporting institution."

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This statement seems to confirm that history dies with final liquidation.
Dmac

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Good to see the obsessed are out in numbers on this one. But once again your pettiness shines through rangers still own ibrox and Murray park. The difference is they have been moved to safeguard them against any unexpected developments. My question to you lot is for the last 3 months you have tried to tell us that the SPL was thriving without us and that our talk of other SPL teams going to the wall were nonsense. Ah we'll here we are the first casualty and the third biggest team in Scotland is on the brink it's a domino effect when one topples others will topple to. Dundee united Aberdeen Motherwell saint mirren and Inverness are all struggling dramatically financial wise. This is why. Green keeps going on about never rejoining the SPL in its current format but playing in the champions league. Green ain't stupid he sees the writing on the wall for the SPL and anyone who disagrees is only kidding themselves

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@4: where's your evidence Aberdeen are struggling financially? Or did you just make it up?

1903

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Aberdeen were refused planning permission to build there new stadium by Aberdeen council Stewart Milne Aberdeen owner stated the refusal to grant permission for Aberdeen football club to build a new stadium could have devastating consequences financially and may lead to Aberdeen no longer having a football team in the top tier of Scottish football. I would sincerely hope that Aberdeen council will reconsider its decision as planning permission is crucial to the clubs immediate future as being able to sell pitodrie will raise much needed funds for the club. I hope this clears things up for you a bit as unlike you I only post facts not bullsh,t. PS since you didn't question any of the other clubs I mentioned I take it you think these teams are also struggling

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@6: no, I don't know about them but as I have an interest in Aberdeen, I thought I'd ask. The fact that planning permission was refused does not mean the club is in difficulty and Milne was possibly being emotive in order to change the decision. If the club was in real danger, Milne definitely has the money to help out. The fact that Aberdeen spent a fair bit on the squad in the summer, to the extent that the chairmen of other clubs were making envious comments, suggests the financial situation isn't as bad as you believe (or hope).

1903

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@6: and how can you derive from post 5 that I post bullsh*t?! It was a question, not a statement. You still haven't posted any facts that suggest that Aberdeen are currently in serious financial difficulty - just that it might happen if the new stadium doesn't go ahead. You cannot possibly know if that will be the case. Ergo, you haven't posted facts, just conjecture.

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30 Oct 2012 18:18:02
Barry Ferguson goes on loan to Fleetwood Town he is only 34 years old, when you leave the best team in the world with the GREATEST support in the World it can only go pear shaped from there, anyway good luck Barry

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When did he play for Barcelona?

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HA HA. SOBER UP MATE.

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Best team in the world? Aye right.

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Really ?? dont remember ferguson ever playing for the tims

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Pear shaped for who ferguson or the liquidated club ??

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Im sure all those interest fee, no repayment loans that sdm paid him from an offshore account set him up for life

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30 Oct 2012 18:26:33
Rangers v Inverness

Alexander

Hegarty Perry. Cribari. Wallace

McLeod. Hutton. Black. Shiels

Little. Mcculloch

Possible team to start the match? {The Ed039's Note - I think jig might play midfield instead of Hutton with aird or McKay plaing wide and one up top)

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Ally is scared to play two upfront against any third div side so no chance the morra mate jmgers

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Dropping Hutton again would be a huge mistake.

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Little upfront jig midfield and aird

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30 Oct 2012 18:03:22
Sorry lads but after the last 'Whyte night' I'm still sceptical about this Charles Green character. "I want Walter Smith back", and "I've caught Rangertsitis" looks to be just too near the share issue for my liking. I'd love to be wrong and make no mistake, I'm still there 4 the team, but who's to say he won't cut and run - or milk out the possible £20m over time (there are a million ways).

One Love.....PC LOYAL

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Ive got a summit in my medicine cupboard he could use on that Rangersitis he has. Its a hemorrhoids cream, and usually for a pain in the hole so i imagine it will work wonders on this clown.

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Nobody is to say, because that is what he is going to do. we told you craigie boy was still there and now we're telling you this. right every time and not a boycott or march in sight. i'm thinking of cancelling my comedy channel subscription and just keep on coming on here.
oh my oh my oh my.

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Key issue - there is only one truth, its simple and usually mostly makes sense.

Lies - not this is different story, hard to keep them valid and consistent.

Green keeps saying whyte did not introduce him to D&P, then when tape recording played, tune changed, etc etc

Green cant even get dates of when he started on this project consistent with everyone elses stories... as ever if its been made to fit a story and each player has thier own story cracks appear.

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30 Oct 2012 21:43:53
Hope Bazza is earning enough from Fleetwood to pay his loan back!

Foxy

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30 Oct 2012 14:22:22
Worrying statement from the rangers official site, Rangers are an externally debt free club, does that mean we owe money to ourselves?

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Why else would the word externally be used?This is Whyte all over again,clever wordplay and deflection.I honestly can feel this all beginning to unravel,the BDO handover is supposed to happen tomorrow,more trouble ahead im sure.In my opinion Mr Green has had to alter his time scale and this has caused financial problems. AB.

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No it means that the debt cannot be seen as it is in other companies names to make club look profitable , its easier to see debt if you see a full set of audited accounts , for the purpose of the rangers accounts the end of year ones are of little interest in 2013 as there will be 2 years season ticket monies in them so will make them look flattering

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30 Oct 2012 16:33:27
The Rangers Football Club Ltd. is a company free of external debt and all liabilities relating to 'oldco' are a matter for the administrators.

To me, all this is saying is that The Rangers dont owe anybody anything.

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To Zeus Capital, Blue Pitch Holdings, etc.

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It means money is owed to Imran Ahmed and his consortium.
Nobody in the consortium are rangers fans they are businessmen who need to make profits on Rangers FC.

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It looks more and more that our assets are tied to outside investors with complex obligations. I believe this will soon be made clear and the share option will be put to us as a must, to secure our assets! We will be told that we can no longer sustain this method of absorbing running costs. Meaning Green has signed us up to something very costly and full of hidden charges!

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They owe green 5.5m for a start. or did you forget his wee loan ?

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30 Oct 2012 22:13:07
Mr Green states that players wages now reduced to £7moillion per annum,good / but he doesnt mention that we only took in about £10.5.Million off ticket sales? he doesnt mention what backroom staff and him and rest buddies etc are taking as wages per year or how much it is costing to run Ibrox Murray Park etc?
Even to me this seems to be a bit dodgy? are we running on deficit again? becuase there is no way on his current figures that we are making a profit?
or am i being blind???

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It means newco is nothing to do with oldco as he said the original rangers will be liquidated

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I forget the name of the creek, but it's that one you end up in without your paddle and you are headed there at a great rate of knots, if this was happening to any other club all and sundry would see it, for crying out loud, the man is ripping you off and you are accepting every word he says with "a few doubts"
Will it be called a Mass Duping?

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8) you quite rightly bring in other costs but fail to add in merchandise, catering. There is no reason why a profit can't be made.

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Merchandice Is that not what the NEWCASTLE director took over, hence takes biggest share of money? and we aslo have costs of police match days, utility bills, and all round maintanence costs which on our old ground will be running at a premium.
So where is money coming from? will Mr Green explain i hope? which would allow us possible investors the oppurtunity to see out money wouldnt be wasted this time.

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30 Oct 2012 14:18:49
Green's plans for the share issue must be going badly.

He's now playing the Walter Smith on the board card.

He's tried playing almost every other card in winning the Rangers supports affections..

If the plans for the share issue were going well, you wouldn't hear Smith's name mentioned.

But Green does himself no favours. He needs to attract institutional investors if he wants to reach his investment target of £20m. But what investor would put money into a company that admits their managment team do not have football skills. Scoolboy error Charles.

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Would any institutional investor put cash into a company with so many unanswered questions surrounding it? Mr Green has been very clever with his words,now he has to start showing us some facts and figures.I suspect the share issue cash is to pay back initial investors while the interest is still small. AB.

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Not a schoolboy error just somebody who is a business man realising the value of Walter smith in dealing with sfa issues and other football matters I don't see any problem in bringing a man with a lifetime experience in football on to the board seems as if you Celtic boys are like the Celtic media desperate to boot the boot in

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30 Oct 2012 16:20:42
What a load of nonsense. Your entire post is based on assumption.

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When Green took over he said he would welcome WS onto the board. The subject was raised during the interview and he said it again.
What is an 'institutional investor'? and as for admitting that his board have no football experience I'd rather hear that than a cover up. Also if all the board were football experience based I'd be worried cos you need business people on board.

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What if Walter says no? Should that be taken as a refusal to endorse Green's project? Walter himself will know it could be taken that way.

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OP. I get what you are trying to say but two things really cracked me up about your post. Football skills and 'scoolboy' error. You certainly brightened up my day with those!

What is the criteria for getting onto a football board then, in your mind; minimum 100 keepy-uppy's and the capacity to do a stepover without tripping yourself up and you are in, lol?

'Scoolboy' error was the best one though, if you deliberately left out the h then I doff my imaginary cap to your wit, otherwise it's back to school for you my friend.

Green meant that there would be two boards concurrently operational within the club. He would head the company board responsible for accounting, merchandising, season ticket sales, administration (not that kind before anyone highlights it, lol), etc and Smith would come in and head the footballing board who would be responsible for scouting and youth development, for example, and work within the budgets set by the senior company board. It sounds like a very sensible idea to me as, personally, I would not invest in a football club run purely by 'football minded' individuals who did not have the first clue when it came to business acumen, as you seem to imply as your preferred option.

Brian

p.s. He mentioned when he first took over that he would welcome WS back with open arms at any time. It isn't something he has just decided upon to curry favour with the fans prior to a share issue, he has been trying to get him back involved in some capacity since he took over the club.

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Celtic minded media ,what planet are you on, mondays dr front page, and from the back 5 consecutive pages on rangers victory over clyde the only thing missing was the world cup.charles with performances like that you wont have to wait too long for cl football.

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And if he get's the help of walter ebt smith the cl could be closer that you think....b

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30 Oct 2012 07:46:41
hi ed, daily record claim a secret dossier they have shows murray and board knew of craig whytes past business dealings. murray claims his hands were tied at this time by lloyds bank. if true ed, surely lloyds have a duty of care to their customers, in this case rangers, and would it not have been better leaving rangers in the hands of the murray group, who had brought rangers debt down to 18 million pounds from nearly 80 million and carried on with the current busness plan that was in place, which showed that rangers were turning their debt around quite comfortably. i feel the people who worked for lloyds on rangers accounts at the time should also be brought to task and asked what their motives were in pushing this deal through which even a blind man could see was not the right move for the company ( rangers ) or as one of lloyds indivdual business clients !! {The Ed039's Note - I hear what you are saying, but it wasn't Lloyds problem to properly vet prospective owners, Lloyds only concern was calling in as much bad debt as possible which they did, what happened after that is none of their concern)

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The only reason the debt had reduced was because there was champions league revenue coming in after winning the SPL with players who were facilitied by side letters and dual contracts , paid through EBT's . Players they wouldn't otherwise afford. A vicious circle!

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This secret dossier detailed over year ago by BBC ?

DR also claimed billionaire whyte was buying gers.

Now they claim no sign on billionaire wealth in secret dossier, but DR only one to claim exclussive on the billionaire status ?

are dr looking to mislead fans ?

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Secret dossier? It was in the public domain when the BBC first exposed Whyte.Please dont start believing the record,a tawdry rag that prints what it thinks will appeal to the masses.This is serious,we need tough questions asked and answers given. AB.

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Didnt Alastair Johnston not already reveal this fact some months ago, re the P.I. report into Whyte?

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And Murray trying to sell the club for years before because he saw the end coming and wanted out as to avoid all the blame, hence where you are now. How do yous keep defending Murray who is the main guy behind all your problems, it's unbelievable.

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Rangers weren't on a sound footing when they were sold, Murray was trying to flog them for years and there was no interest.
The liabilities behind the scene were huge, £30m owed to all and sundry. You don't sell something of the magnitude of Rangers for £1 if there isn't real problems behind the scenes.
The stadium needs millions spent on it before it really does become delapated.

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Lloyd were a huge debtor but they saw the EBT case and HMRCs claim, knowing EBTs were illegal Lloyds needed to get out pronto but nobody wanted to buy the club including existing directors.
Did LLOYDS, MURRAY AND WHYTE hatch the whole plan to sell rangers using ticketus money to pay off lloyds (why not pay off other creditors?) go into administration give the other creditors 1p in the pound, dump all debt and carry on if HMRC ALLOWED. If no CVA then start newco as detailed in sales agreement. All premeditated with Lloyds?

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To poster 6.

You are correct, but the main liability was the potential for a huge tax bill from the Big Tax Case.

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The Insolvency Service have confirmed that their Investigations and Enforcement Directorate are considering the conduct of Rangers directors.

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5 - What, you think all Rangers fans are defending Murray?

Read my post in one of the threads below.

Obviously the big tax case result is in. The DR has got wind of the result and now they're gearing up to put the boot into Murray who's lost. Why else print this story today?

BARNEY BEAR

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To the "obssesed" who replied, point 1)"players who were facilitied by side letters, dual contracts and ebts" , sorry dont think anything has been proven yet, no matter how much you want that !!, point 2) angle i was making was on lloyds bank, not daily record !!, point 3) see point 2 !!, point 5 and 6) glad YOU made the point about murray trying to sell the club for years, NOT because "the end was coming", had their been no economic crisis lloyds would not have called time on murray, as was looked upon at that time as good credit, and had the club on market in the "good times" long before the world economic meltdown. "the liabilities behind the scenes were huge,£30 million owed to all and sundry", don`t be "silly obssesed", £30 million in football terms of debt, all top succesfull clubs would love to operate at that level of financial debt in these times, the "business" side of the club was liquidated for only £9 million pound (paye), all other amounts mentioned are only pie in the sky guesses, nothing concrete, silly obssesed !!

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To 11) FTT statement on rangers website - go read and weep.

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Lloyds priority is to protect its investors and get back the money that oldco owed their not some sort of rangers fans charity whos responsible for looking after the club and the debt was reduced from 80 million to 20 million by an other loan through his company so stop looking for people to blame and except its your own doing

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@11: how do you know all of those points were made by 'the obsessed' as you call them? They could very well have been made by concerned Rangers fans. As you don't agree with them, does that automatically you accuse them of being fans of other clubs?

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No lloyds are septic fans, after all they use breeze block gardens for lloyds agm

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Obsessed : To have the mind excessively preoccupied with a single emotion or topic.
emmm.... no, we have other thoughts.

ridicule : Words or actions intended to evoke contemptuous laughter at or feelings toward a person or thing.
ah...thats the one.
oh, about dossier. we were right again, howzat !
hoots of contemptous laughter.

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30 Oct 2012 09:34:04
Wish John Brown would keep his trap shut, He doesnt help at all.

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What has he said now?

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30 Oct 2012 04:49:26
Rangersitis?!
Just how gullible does Chico think you Bears are? There isn't one very obvious button he hasn't tried to push
Question. Honest answer. Would you buy a used car from this man?

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I liked his quote " I came here to make money". Says it all don't you think?

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Why does Chico upset you lot so much stop worrying about him you don't have to trust him we do. The bottom line is we have to trust him and hope he will do the right things. I hear a rumour that there is 50mil in funding available to rangers which is being kept quiet until the EBTS nonesense is sorted out. But you lot don't believe anything like that all you want to do is bombard this site with all the negative stuff. We are stuck with green if he does the right thing see you in 3 years if not enjoy dominating a dead league for the rest of existence

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£50m funding !!

Chortle chortle!

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£50mill in funding, hows that gonna help in div3 ??

There is recession on, green shoots? bit early.

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£50 milion, youre off yer nut. And if there is that amount of money around, it should be paid to the people that are out of pocket... {The Ed039's Note - Another person who should decide whether they want Rangers to be Oldco or Newco, cant have it both ways)

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Gosh, he wants to make money....! what a novel concept....how much did Fregus McCann make from his involvement in Celtic? Rangers, properly run, will make money....isn't that goal of any business?

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@1 I came here to make money". at least hes honest on this point.the wee bunnet who saved Celtic never stated he was was there to make money but he walked away with £21,072,464 and he rightly deserved it if Green leaves Rangers in the same financial footing as the bunnet left Celtic i wouldn't give a Toss if he walked away with 50 mill profit

lochaber Bear

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Lochaber Bear

Fergus had a clear plan from the outset which he communicated to supporters, and yes, part of that was to make money.

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{The Ed039's Note - Another person who should decide whether they want Rangers to be Oldco or Newco, cant have it both ways) ? What exactly do you want, ED, for it seems to me that its your lot that want to be oldco when it suits and newco when it suits, or indeed, vice versa, when previous debts are mentioned, its a case of "Oh thats nothing to do with us, thats down to oldco, we are a newco", yet when history of honours won, it becomes a case of "Oh we won aw they trophies, Rangers then, Rangers now, Rangers forever"
CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, ED !
Finbar {The Ed039's Note - At what point have I said history stands Finbar, you find me a time I have said that, once agin with you, one person says something and you think it is the viewpoint of all Rangers supporters, at the end of the day, whether history exists or not is not for me or you to decide, but what you need to see is that if you want Rangers to pay something towards old debt, remembering Charles Green is paying oldco football debts, then stop banging on about titles. So you make up your mind and we will all make sure we keep you happy)

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@2: 'you lot'? Who? 'EBT nonsense?' Not nonsense if it appears Rangers avoided paying tax. 'we have to trust him'? No you don't and that kind of belief could come back to bite you big time. If you have concerns, voice them; if you have questions, ask them; if you want answers, don't stop until you get them. It's unwise to trust blindly yet again.

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To the 18 who would buy a used car from charlie green. i have a 1998 transit van for sale. no doors, seats or engine. 390,000 miles on the rest of it. 10 grand to you. first to see will buy.

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" remembering Charles Green is paying oldco football debts, then stop banging on about titles."

If green paying ALL oldco football debts you have a point my good man,
if he paying some of them, then hand over some of the titles....

oh think this what green really doing, agreed with SFA about handing over some money for some titles, then comes out saying... oh no this is SFA changing mind... is it ?

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To the guy with the transit,is it a petrol or diesel? algarvebhoy

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The transit will be both diesel and petrol of course...

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No 11 is it good on fuel consumption ? doug t.s.o

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