Rangers Banter Archive May 30 2012

 

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30 May 2012 23:20:01
Thursday already.
Players can walk on Friday, long 24 hours.
Rangers and green do not have money to pay full wages for a non playing side.

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Yeah so Green spent weeks working on a cva just to let all the players walk out the door for nothing cause he has no money to pay them?

Every single day the anger grows among the Celtic support that Rangers are still here and it's getting worse by the day.

Rangers will get a cva agreed in the next 2 weeks, so far no one has publicy stated that they will turn down a cva so there is very little hostility to it i would imagine, Rangers will be out of admin by the end of June and ready for the new season.

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The support will be doing a lot of walking ourselves over the next six weeks

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Don't you know there in anger among fans of EVERY club in this country and elsewhere.There are other clubs with fans apart from Celtic but you don't recognise that fact.The whole football world is sick at this situation.Paying tax and creditors is what matters to us ALL

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LOL!

Not every Celtic supporter wants rangers out the game just the right punishment for the crime? 

The CVA is 11p in the pound. Which I believe to be from a 8.5m 'pot' from green when tho he's getting a LOAN to get you out of trouble?

Murray - loan 
Whyte - ticketus (loan)
Green - loan 

Put it this way... Your average joe,up to your eyes in debt. So you get a loan to clear your debt, that 1st debt is now more than your 2nd debt. You get a 2nd loan to clear the 1st one....more debt....before you know it your bankrupt....

If this 11p in the pound goes through (which btw means just ticketus get less than 3m from the money they gave Whyte) then I will be gob smacked. You also need 75% of people to agree to a CVA which I don't think HMRC & ticketus will take IMO. 

Example average joe & his pal.

Joe gives his pal £100.then a year later his pal says joe all I can give you is £11 is that ok ? 

Don't think so.

Lenny

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@3. If you took the season total gate receipts and subtracted the old firm how many fans are left? Not enough. As for the football world being sick at the situation, the hoopys are loving it, and thats it. Nothing else. Theres no interest outwith the Scottish media and a few expats. Scotland is more well known for squared sausages than its football.( which is a massive shame). CheltBlue

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Mmmm square sausage now you're talking!

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@5 You are so resticted in your thinking that you can't understand there ARE other fans.I'm one of them.There is great anger too.You may dismiss the ex-pats but their number is vaste and they also buy the shirts etc.Take off the blue glasses and see that there are other 'colour' apart from blue and green.

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@7. I dont have blue specs, Id love to see a Hearts or Motherwell win the SPL but when did it last happen and when do you think it will happen again. Even the Spanish league gets ridiculed for a two horse race. I know theres other clubs but they are all undersupported. If I was neutral Id say get out there and make a difference to your own club and dont worry about anyone else. CheltBlue

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30 May 2012 22:36:08
Was in dealing with a business that is owed £800 by Rangers. When I asked if he was angry, he simply stated that since administration he has lost £10k business from Rangers, and that is hurting the business.
He is going to accept the CVA and hopes that it is accepted and he hopes to renew the relationship with Rangers and put his business back on an even keel.

This is forgotten by those that quote the face painter and newsagent, these businesses are suffering because of the loss of business from Rangers more than the £800 they will lose. They made a £6k profit from us last year.

This is why the CVA will be accepted.

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I'd rather find new business than deal with unreliable,cheating ones that don't pay up.It could all happen again.Once bitten ,twice shy.All trust is gone forever.

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Well said pal...a lot of people dont see the big picture....deecee

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That's right mate @ reply one all the wee local shops round ibrox can just invent a new set of customers to the tune of around 50,000 every other week
Even the pizza hut McDonald's KFC would all lose massive income per year and some would maybe close costing more people who done no wrong jobs
So well said son just goes to show you only care about hurting rangers

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This isn't about hurting Rangers, its about Rangers hurting hundreds of small business's where people have lost their jobs, and now that they pay 8p in the pound im pretty sure more jobs will go.

Vambo {Ed039's Note - I am sure you are right vambo)

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OP that is the real world speaking. Ive known building firms to go under owing hundreds of thousand to suppliers. They "newco" and still get new trade accounts with the same firms who lost out. Why? Future revenue and profits. The chance to claw back something is better than nothing for ever... CheltBlue

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The problem is hmrc and ticketus account for atleast 70% of the debt and theyr wanting payed

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30 May 2012 21:49:13
There is a saying that if you cannot say anything sensible then keep quiet, even that does not cover the complete and utter garbage that St Mirren's Mr. Gilmour spouted today, how anyone with any intelligence can come away with that nonsense is beyond belief.

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There is also another saying
Its better to remain quiet and have people think you are an idiot rather then open your mouth and let them know for sure that you are an idiot

JG

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Another possible ally possibly gone if it comes to a vote to allow Sevco FC into the SPL. Rangers are running out of them.
Al

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@2 do you think for one minute that st mirren would rather have a league without the financial benefits of having rangers in it. Thats where we have the advantage over airdire and smaller clubs, they can be fall without affecting others sadly for you and your friends we cannot

JG

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No one is concerned about the financial argument anymore. Everyone's got over it.
People are comfortable now with the idea of rangers gone.

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@3 I sick of the way football is going. It is living outwith its means (and not just in this country) and has been for years. This has to change. Hopefully the FFP rules will help this. The sooner football gets back to its roots the better. If Sevco FC are prevented from playing in the SPL or Rangers are expelled or have their license revoked, clubs will have to adjust. This may just be the kick in the pants that Scottish football needs. It may not suit every fan, but it could make for a more competitive league. Look at the season just finished, three trophys, three different winners; clubs fighting during the last few weeks for the CL qualifier place and a cup final that did not have Celtic or Rangers in it.
Al

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A lot of these same people are going to be rather uncomfortable soon when they come to the realisation that Rangers are not going anywhere. In fact they are very much here to stay.

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30 May 2012 20:59:33
The SPL need Rangers has been the mantra for months, but if UEFA kick out th3e SFA for allowing Rangers to go to the civil courts the question we must ask can the SPL afford to keep Rangers?

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What garbage, the SPL clubs are running about changing rules so that they don't suffer, they want us in to get the money but they don't want to let us be competitive, it's called looking after number one.

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The SPL are trying to keep Rangers in as most of the teams have no integrity and have been badly run for years meaning the rely on money from them, but with UEFA/FIFA monitoring I now believe they are running out of options and a severe punishment will be given if SFA don't win appeal

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30 May 2012 20:56:17
Dont u think that D&P only took the SFA to court over the embargo is because they want Liquidation and Newco. Cant be avoided because of Double contracts and the over £130 million EBT tax case? How can that be survived.?

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If they wanted liquidation it would have happened , the big tax case hasent been won or lost by anyone yet

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@1: you mean the appeal?

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They still have to go thro' the motions of wanting a CVA

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Green's a former chairman. He was advising them. He knows FIFA and UEFA rules.

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& probably knew the flaws in the sfa rules as well

Are we honestly saying fairness & legality don't matter in 'sport'?

bil72

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30 May 2012 18:54:07
Twelve months on from Craig Whyte buying his majority shareholding for £1 and leaving the club in debt to his Wavetower group, Green and his consortium are about to buy Rangers for £2, and leave the club in debt to Sevco, their holding company. The similarities should be enough to raise indignation among fans, but instead there is only uncertainty.

The mood is one of fatigue. Supporters have become drained by the endless setbacks and Green's pursuit of a Company Voluntary Arrangement had offered a rare moment of hope. Yet that should have been countered by the contents of the CVA Proposal published yesterday. Green's £8.5m offer is a loan, to be paid back by or before 2020, with interest thought to be 8%. So Rangers will come out of administration in debt, even although two weeks ago Green pledged that the club would never be in debt again.

Inconsistencies have become the hallmark of Green and administrators Duff & Phelps. When the deal was first announced, the Englishman spoke of a consortium of 20 investors, only to admit later that "five or six" were involved. He claims to have raised £20m, but spent last weekend frantically contacting Scottish businessmen asking for investment. The CVA proposal going out was due to trigger the first seven-figure instalment of his purchase price, believed to be £2.7m, but as late as Friday he had only raised £1m.

According to the CVA proposal, Green's loan will be drawn down in mid-July, so what about the club's running costs? Duff & Phelps had demanded that all bidders provide funds to meet those from 1 June onwards over and above their offer price. All of them did, except Green. A £3.6m Administration Trading Shortfall is included in the proposal and is deducted from Green's offer price. So the creditors are effectively paying the club's running costs.

With huge fees generated by Duff & Phelps of £3m, then a further £1.8m in legal fees, the costs of the administration are almost as much as the creditors are receiving from the Green consortium's loan. The administrators' fees are unchallenged, even although there is an argument that Duff & Phelps have destroyed value during the process. The proposal also includes £2m in Player Transfer Fees (factored), even although Rangers are due £3.7m in transfer monies. The £1.7m has been written off; to cover more running costs?

The creditors also have justifiable cause to question why Duff & Phelps opted for Green's bid when the considered opinion of several financial experts Herald Sport consulted is the CVA proposal does not represent better value than some other offers. Assets which should have fallen to the creditors are falling to Green's group, including any recoveries made from payments claimed back from Phil Betts and Regenesis of around £500,000.

Each of these factors alone should have caused alarm among supporters, but together they are reasons for fans to bring more scrutiny to bear on the men who are about to take control of their club. Green's consortium is even gaining a fixed security over the main assets, Ibrox and Murray Park, in the same way as Whyte, yet supporters are wary of the consequences of challenging him.

"We're pleased that the CVA process has commenced," says Andy Kerr, president of the Rangers Supporters Assembly. "But I'm not comfortable with [the £8.5m being a loan]. It's the alternative to a bad lot, in terms of finding a way to start to move forward. The exact terms in which that loan is serviceable is something we'll need to consider."

Early in the administration, Duff & Phelps declared they would not sell to "another Craig Whyte". Green's background apart, the administrators admit they do not even know the identities of all the members of the consortium who will end up owning the club. They have also signed a deal that allows Green to buy the assets in a newco scenario, even although an open bidding process at that stage would likely raise more than £5.5m.

When Bill Miller was named preferred bidder, Rangers fans were fully engaged with investigating the American and questioning his means and motives. The same is not happening with Green and his consortium. This is due to several factors: the season is over, so fans aren't congregating and talking together in numbers; the three main fans' groups were all backers of the Blue Knights, and so fear that coming out against Green will only cause friction with other fans; and the realisation that liquidation is ever closer because the money runs out on June 1.

Yet of the four final bidders, two are still ready to move immediately should Green's offer collapse, and even as late as last week were preparing for that eventuality because of doubts about his funding. All three of the other bidders have decided to keep a low profile since losing out in the final auction, but they have not withdrawn their interest. "I'm still apprehensive that there are a lot of large hurdles to overcome," cautioned Kerr.

Rangers fans need to judge Green on his pledges and his actions, not on the basis that it seems as if he is the last man standing

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If you have a better, or even an alternative option lets hear it

JG

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How many people have a spare £8m plus running costs lying about. The big difference is that it is a loan that needs to be paid back by 2020. Whyte purchased the company with ticketus money, essentially our money. Forget about the other bidders, the much heralded Blue Knights failed to come up with £500k required to secure preferred bidder status. I agree we are all fed up with time taken and we are wary of anybody following the debacle that was CW.
Another reason that we should give this consortium a chance is that if the RST believe in Blue Knights then that is a good enough reason to forget them, because they backed Whyte and have frankly been a disgrace in the whole sorry affair.
I do believe that Green will walk away with a good payday, and why shouldn't he?
I have no problem with him making money if he gets us back to being run properly.
And let's be honest they are not exactly falling over themselves to get to the front of the queue to buy us, simply they are the only game in town.

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Just a pity debts can't be paid.Never a borrower nor a lender be!Shame this wasn't followed and we'd never be in this position.Can't believe it's happened and no one stopped it before it got so bad.

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30 May 2012 19:13:37
This is all getting a little boring.. Accept the punishment and move on. You bought and paid for players you couldn't afford. Financial doping. As fans you benefited from successful nights, friendships were formed, relationships were had. Jobs and careers were made and children were born into the Rangers being successful. So don't go on about not benefiting. You stole other peoples hopes and dreams. An decent human being would are that sadly it appears only a handful of you do

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If it is so boring why are you wasting your time and everybody else's by posting.

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Myself and many Rangers fans would gladly sacrifice a few happy memories to not be in our current situation. With regard solely to fans, as a fan base we have suffered more than any other because of the way our club was run. Winning the league is nice but this has been a bit of a nightmare!!

pappy

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30 May 2012 18:49:37
In all the activity of the past day or so it has probably been under reported that Green's CVA is not investment, IT IS A LOAN. So the plan is to pay creditors with more credit. Just wondered if that was common knowledge as yet?

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30 May 2012 18:45:48
how can the sfa expell us when they even said it would be to harsh
trueblue

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Considering most considered a transfer embargo lenient, they probably didn't expel Rangers in the first place as a favour.

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They can't and wont

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But they were going lightly on Rangers. Expulsion was the correct balanced punishment. Now a new punishment has to be given with an even more severe element for going to court. So expulsion is a no brainer. Even sports lawyers and the ex SFA president says so.

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That'll be that then ?

Make up another punishment on the hoof - see where that's got us already?

bil72

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How about a 6 month suspension of their license to play. That's in the code.
Al

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@4: they wouldn't be doing that as expulsion IS available to them.

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Think they already stated that was too severe!
Expulsion from the Scottish cup? - think we could live with that
Increase the fine to maximum available £100k per charge = £500 k. , How do you get out of a club that is in admin? But in my op. would be fair.

Think this is now a huge bag of worms & deals are undoubtedly being done behind closed doors

bil72

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The rest of scottish football cant live with expulsion from scottish cup tho or else they would have done that already

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30 May 2012 18:42:43
Just a bit of perspective, this forum generally has some sensible and decent posters, however i have dipped into some other sites, admittedly both blue and green and have came across some of the most spiteful and bitter hate that i have ever heard, in view of what can happen in terms of violence and civil wars about the world surely we must at least try to eliminate this from our game. From my point of view the correct thing for rangers to do is liquidate, new club in div3 and rebuild whilst setting aside some moneys in a fund to at least pay back some pf the old club dues. In a few years back in top flight with at least some dignity. The worst thing that could happen is a cva, tarnished club back in spl next year, same old history, fans screaming for a big signing as if nothing had happened. That would be shameful.

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Agree 100%, we start in the lower div3 and earn our way back. No favours, No complaining.

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So you think we should liquidate and start a newco but still pay the debts of the a co which no longer exists.
The CVA sees the creditors get more back than they will if they are liquidated.
You can't have it both ways, it is either one or the other. Why should a newco be burdened with the debts of a different Company.
And incidentally the SPL will be in tatters if we leave, hence the reason why the chairmen would allow a newco in SPL. In fact in a years time the third div will have more current SPL clubs in it than is left in SPL.

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30 May 2012 17:58:50
I see SPL chickened out of making the most logical regulation; that if an SPL team liquidates and forms a New Company (Newco) that the Newco cannot possibly be allowed in the SPL (transfer share from old company).

It's logical that if a SPL company liquidates, it loses it's voting share in the SPL. It must not be able to transfer that share under any conditions. Share transfer should be banned for all situations.

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The old company is in the SPL due to being promoted on good football or continued good football to be there. A new company has no relationship to that old companies performance and hence has no right to be in the SPL. All teams battling in SFL1 have a bigger right to be there.

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Its called other chairmen protecting themselves, they know it could happen to them in the not so distant future so why would they want to shoot themselves in the foot

JG

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How can a brand new company gain entry to the SPL under any circumstances? It's a form of corruption of the game.
If a club fails and goes bankrupt. Then it failed hopelessly in the SPL and dies. End of, no more, departed, former, lately,......

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3) because the SPL chairmen want to look after their own clubs and to do that they need us in it. We couldn't pay Dunfermline, two weeks later they couldnt pay their players. Imagine no or reduced tv money, no league sponsorship, reduced crowds, lower European co-efficient. Thats why because without Rangers or Celtic there is no SPL. In fact at least half the teams in SPL with reduced income and players on wages based on previous income would be in the third division the following year as they too would be in our position. That's why they will be in SPL in current form or newco. Is it right? No but that's the facts.

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The corruption is other chairmen looking after their clubs. Look what happened to Dunfermline, we can't pay them and immediately they cant pay their players. Imagine that situation with no or much less tv money, no league sponsorship, no payday when we visit. Forget morality this is business, and they will look after themselves.
Incidentally why is football different to any other business, how many times had a business shut down on a Friday and opened on the Monday with a slightly changed name, what you don't see is all the creditors who have been shafted. If we are to be treated as a normal business then the same rules should apply. Just because we are in the spotlight we should not be treated differently. Incidentally I am related to a business that has been done for £800, I asked if they were annoyed and the answer was that they made £10k off Rangers last year and they are missing the loss of business more than £800. They have said the minute the CVA is accepted they hope to renew their relationship and get back to making £10k a year, that is easily forgotten when those that spout on about the face painter and newsagents etc.

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If I was doing business again with Rangers,I'd need money up front.Don't kid yourself it can't happen again.Never trust again when you've lost out like we have {Ed039's Note - We?????)

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30 May 2012 17:42:19
Rangers "got away lightly" with recent sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute, according to the former Scottish FA president John McBeth.
The Ibrox club had a 12-month transfer embargo imposed by the SFA overturned by the Court of Session on Tuesday.
Speaking to BBC Scotland, John MacBeth said: ''Rangers got away lightly with their transfer embargo.''
And MacBeth said the SFA could impose stricter punishment on the club.
''The SFA should go away and look at their books to determine what their next step should be," he continued. "They could throw them out of the league.''
McBeth, who was a vocal critic of FIFA president Sepp Blatter while in office, also claimed that SPL clubs could survive in a league without Rangers.
''Football would survive without Rangers, maybe not at the same level, and the game would may be lose some fans - but so be it,'' he said.
"If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport.''

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I see McBeth left a fully functioning, perfectly operating SFA behind him. Pffff

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If Rangers are in the SPL next season the game is a complete fix in Scotland.
SPL fans don't want Rangers and have voted so.
The fans put integrity before money. And expect their clubs to earn a little less.

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The Court of Session ruled the sanction unlawful, so where does he get his conclusion from?

Another non entity being rolled out to give their opinion in the mhedia circus surrounding gers at the moment.

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@2. Fans are fickle. Integrity before money, if that was the case every ground in the SPL would be full every week. SPL fans don't want Rangers, fine by me, we will stay away from your ground and then see what happens. The tims being the exception to the rule as they have the fan base to fill their ground and would do it.

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Fans have no say in the matter - its the directors and owners of all,the other correct thinking and perfectly run clubs that will make the call ;-)

bil72

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30 May 2012 17:41:33
Have just read the Evening Times and the two pages dedicated to Dingbat of the RST. What a plonked this man is and what a useless organisation this is. They have time and time again put their size tens in it, they have riled other clubs with boycott talk, they have riled the SFA , they have riled previous potential owners, they have demanded season ticket prices remain unchanged at the time that we need all the friends and money that we can get.

He is even incorrect in the words he uses, stating Green is the preferred bidder, a point that Duffers made clear was not the case.

I suggest for him to state that Regan and SFA are unfit for purpose is perhaps true, but is now really the time to demand his resignation. Wish these people would disappear off the scene as they themselves are totally unfit for purpose.

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30 May 2012 17:31:49
See the RST are demanding Regans resignation. Whilst it is clear that the SFA are unfit for purpose, now is not the best time to make this demand.

As I posted last week when they put their foot in it again, that they should read - how to make friends and influence people.

Yet again they put their tuppence in at a time that the SFA have to save face.

Please shut up. It worries me the power these people have and are totally undeserving of it.

Their list of cock ups grows weekly, and these clowns are doing us no favours at all. They do not speak for me.

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30 May 2012 14:24:54
Hopefully people see the funny side to this post:

I'm sure we have a banner lying about in parkhead you could use if UFEA hammer rangers lol? {Ed039's Note - I see the funny side well done)

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Good post :-))

as long as we get the same sanction send it over

bil72

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30 May 2012 14:08:23
I cant believe how pathetic and incompetent the SFA are. Our governing body and league is a laughing stock. Just look at our international team... 5-1 to a country where "soccer" is 6th or 7th on the sporting agenda. That would be like Scotland trouncing USA at a game of Basketball. Lets see now if SFA will finally kick Rangers out of the league rather than make up nonsense sanctions. Maybe Scottish Football on the brink of extinction is what our country needs to revolutionise the game because we're gonna be like a junior league in a few years at the current pace of devolution.

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Remind me what's the population of USA and Scotland?

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What difference does population make? If it went by that then China would be the best at everything.

edg

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2.) Far more people play football in the USA than in Scotland. They have a massive pool of players to pick from with the majority now playing for European teams. They are also 19 places above us in the FIFA rankings so I fail to see your point. Perhaps if RFC hadnt started the trend of buying in overpriced foriegn players then the national team would be stronger?

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Scottish football has been on the decline for years now.
Internationally we get nowhere and when we did qualify we didn't get out the groups. Two week holiday time.
The Old firm and Aberdeen's wins in euro is it. Recently (last 10 yrs!) two final appearances by the old firm in the Uefa/Europa Lgue. Never mind the euro cup or cup winners cup in the last 40yrs 3 teams from Scotland have reached the final.
Kicking RFC out of the league will only speed up the decline.
That's the thing though, when did Scottish Football peak and how long were we there for?

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They deserve to be kicked out. Simple as. Remember Rangers attitude to Airdrie. Business is business.

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5. And because it Business, Rangers will not be kicked out of the SPL. The difference is Scottish football could afford to lose Airdrie in a financial sense. This is by no means right, but as you say business is business.

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@3. i always thought rangers tend to play more scottish internationals in there team than any other team in the spl? ....mark.

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30 May 2012 14:04:48
Been a life long gers fan and think we should just take the 12 month signing ban if the players that are already at the club are as loyal as they say they are we could do ok. I know there will be players injured and suspensions throught the season why not give the young lads at rangers a chance we have a few decent players

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We should take it even though it is not a legitimate punishment - dont think so disagree

JG

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The SFA gave the transfer ban as an alternative to expulsion. Gers will soon be wishing they took it

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@2 sorry but they felt expulsion was too severe so they made a punishment up!

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30 May 2012 13:31:07
So if the transfer embargo isn't fair what punishment within the current SFA rules do the Rangers fans believe SHOULD be applied that fits the crime as detailed in the SFA judgement?

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Banned from the Scottish Cup, then we don't have to boycott it :)

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Sorry but the SFA have had their chance
they chose to pick a sanction that was not in their rule book therefore the fine should suffice !

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Good post but misses the mark in my opinion. The fans are not experts. It seems neither are the SFA! If a transfer ban was not a legal option, why impose it? It's upto the SFA to know it's onions and hand down a correct and legal punishment. Rangers are quite right to question it. If UEFA kick up a stink it should be the SFA who take responsibility for their decision...

BB

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Main poster - the sfa are mentioning the fact that 2 legal experts were involved in the process on their behalf. Is this some form of justification? Given that the penalty has been constructed by the panel and with the reference to case law in their decision, I think that the court decision now, without specifically stating it, puts the sfa judgement in doubt also.

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Here's the rub folks, the minimum extra sanction we would all agree is the Scottish Cup ban, guess what the knock on effect of that trivial knuckle rap is? Rangers will not be in three domestic trophies next season and the significance of that is...it leaves the CVA dead and buried as that is part of the deal. Deadline & Passed have royally screwed you over this time, there is no sanction left that wont be worse than the transfer embargo and lets face it the SFA's description was "next worst thing to match fixing." Spectacular own goal by the dynamic duo.

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30 May 2012 11:19:33
This maybe a totally stupid thought so apologies if it is but if Rangers are expelled will/do they then have the right/option to move to a different league in the England or even Europe if they will have them?

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Your are correct - It is a stupid post!

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30 May 2012 09:48:01
Can't beleive that the funds of £8.5m that Green and his consortium are putting in are loan funds to be repaid with interest by 2020?! What's that about? More debt to repay. I have a question , taking aside the £8.5m for the CVA, whare are the funds coming from to run the club on a day to day basis. As far as I read it is losing £1.5 m per month ?

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Most clubs are run with a bank loan/overdraft. The difference with Green's loan is that he will actually have the intention to pay it back in the required time....unlike a certain "sir" David Murray.

TTG

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The money that Abramovich has put into Chelsea is still reflected as a loan, so this is not unusual. Would be interesting to see what happened if he left the club, there would certainly be a lot more than 8.5 million outstanding.....

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To the OP, Duff and Phelps stated yesterday that they had sight of 2.7M that is in an account to cover the running costs (i.e. players wages) over July

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30 May 2012 09:34:36
Next Years Starting 11:-

McGregor

Whittaker
Cuellar
Bocanegra
Wallace

Gattuso
Iain Black
Davis

Naismith
Goodwillie
Aluko {Ed039's Note - i'll have some of what you're smoking please, I wouldn't have posted this if it wasn't so damn funny)

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What game you playing FIFA or ProEv?

TTG

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I'm confident that this team would be good enough to win the league .. Third Division !

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SORRY NO CHANCE THE STARTING TEAM WILL BE .
1 ALEXANDER
2 COLE
3 WALLACE
4 PERRY
5 MCULLOCH ( CAP)
6 MCCABE
7 NESS
8 BEDOYA
9 LITTLE
10 FLECK
11 HUTTON {Ed039's Note -much more likely)

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I actually really LIKE the sound of that team! I would not be too hasty in assuming Davis and Naismith will not be there, and two or three top notch 18 year olds, bought or on loan

BB

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Well guys Ian Black in the paper today looking to join us, Gattuso will follow, Cuellar free contract and Goodwillie wanting to come back up, Blackburn will accept £1m for him. Sell Lafferty and Goian and this team could be funded, wishful thinking from the the eastenders that we cant put out this team i think {Ed039's Note - Wishful thinking from everyone, we need the club saved first to have a team to field)

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30 May 2012 00:10:36
I am over the moon tonight, been a good day, the first in a long time.

However I am uncomfortable at the thought of a CVA where creditors get next to nothing and then we go spending money on the team which is badly needed. I posted a while ago that the transfer embargo would not stand. Whatever the rights or wrongs, you cannot punish somebody when the
punishment is not in the rule book of the authority handing
out the punishment.

Rangers clearly believed that the embargo could put them in serious peril if the players leave. You cannot blame them for protecting their interests.

However had a little common sense have been used, this situation should not have arisen. Rangers fear that they have no team, and as said previously a lot of us bears are uncomfortable with the thought of spending money days after a CVA.

Surely a fair solution would have been that Rangers can spend what they bring in from transfers. So if McGregor goes and had a £2m release clause, then we can spend £2m. All the players have much reduced release figures so Rangers would be punished, as they get £2m for a £6m player, but have to replace him with a £2m player. It means Rangers could field a team that would be competitive and those demanding punishment would also be satisfied.

I know that is not in SFA rules but I am pretty sure that Rangers would not have taken that decision to court.

Despite your team persuasion and it appears there are more Celtic fans than Rangers on this site, we all have to realise the facts, without Rangers or Celtic there is no Scottish football. I know the tic fans are convinced they would flourish but you are deluded and deep down you know what I am saying is correct.

Reality is no tv money, no league sponsorship, reduced crowds, reduced co-efficient in Europe, and believe me in a year half the teams in SPL would be bust. Let's be honest Scottish football is at its lowest point and we can't afford to go any lower. There is no chance of anybody going to England or Atlantic league or anywhere else.

I am not saying this as a Rangers fan because we are in trouble, if Celtic were in our position I would be saying exactly the same. We need each other, no getting away from it, and Scottish football needs us more.

Sure I would have had my fun at the expense of the Celtic fans, as they have well and truely done, but anybody with any understanding of scottish football knows both are needed.

It would also be helpful if the ruling bodies, SFA & SPL, had rules in place, it is astonishing that both organisations are making rules as and when it suits them, and today proved what a ridiculous pair they really are. They have got to get their houses in order, as they are not fit for purpose.

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How many teams in the SPL can afford to spend £2m on one player. St Mirren's entire playing budget is £2m.

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Excellent post m8 could not have put it better myself.

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Wait a minute, Rangers fans were up in arms because the Sfa punished you with a punishment that wasn,t in the rule,s. It didnt suit you. Now your suggesting that you take a punishment that isn,t in the rules that suits you, it doesn,t work that way mate.. As you say "Surely a fair solution" is that Rangers pay some of there DEBT or some of there unpaid TAXES with the money that Rangers bring in from transfers, since you don,t do Any Walking Away! Get real my man your club owes millions and yer talking about spending millions on transfer.

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& how many teams in the SPL have a player who would fetch a cut price £2mill

What's your point?

bil72

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3) op here, if you read what I said you would see that I commented that this was not in the rules but that I believe Rangers would not have taken this solution to court, and so the problem would not exist. I am also not talking about spending millions, I am talking about buying lesser players but still have enough to be at least competitive. I know you would rather the league was over by September.
With regards to paying our debts, we are in administration because we can't pay the debts. Incidentally there were thirty four businesses in Scotland last week that went into administration, do they also have to pay debtors or is just us?
This happens every day in business , is it right? - No, but thems the rules, unless you want to change them on the hoof just to punish us?

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No.3 Here, Ok then, if the SFA had stuck to what was in the rule book, OP what do you rekon would be a fair Punishment for a club who were found Guilty of, 1. bringing the game into disrepute, 2. Not paying 13 million in Tax & NI, 3. Not paying fellow assocation clubs monies due to them? Is 100K fine suffice for this? I beleive the Sfa tried to do Rangers a good turn by not Suspending them or expelling them. On your administration and transfer point, other buisnesses do not have to follow sporting integrity, why should Rangers be allowed to keep players or sell players to finance the payments of other players when they still owe there own Association clubs money and hope to play against them next season. Do you not think it is pretty galling for hearts to play against Rangers when they are still owed 800k for Wallace that they will never see! Do the right thing and either pay your Debts or go away to 3rd div and sort yourselfs out. Remember Rangers are the CULPRITS here not the VICTIM.

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30 May 2012 00:46:18
I think the SFA should be charged for bringing the game into disrepute.
What other authority does not know its own rule book?
What other organisation makes up rules as they go along and try to impose penalties that they have no power to do?
What other authority requires a fit and proper person test but does not have a test?

I suggest a fine or indeed expulsion would be a suitable punishment.

They stated they are shocked by today's decision, why?

They had not included this punishment in their rules, why would they think that they can impose punishments that are not in the book that they wrote?

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Because the punishment you should have been given would have ended you.

GoldCoastBhoy

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The panel which handed down the ban was independent as was the appeal panel. FIFA are now involved.

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2. If they are independent why was court action against SFA. It was a tribunal appointed by SFA which means it was SFA

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Good hope fifa is involved the whole of scottish football tried to kick rangers when we were down with punishments they had no right to give.The only punishments they could legally hand out was 10 point deduction and fine.Honestly get a grip they cant expell us.They are incompitent and they are about to get there bums kicked about time our governing body is a joke.

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@4 Away and catch up with what's been happening. The 10 points was for going into administration. The transfer embargo and the fine where for brining the game into disrepute. Had Rangers just gone into administration the additional penaties would not have been imposed. But because they witheld money from HMRC and other clubs they owed, they were punished for that.
Al

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30 May 2012 00:32:19
We will see what happens to the SFA after this and what they will be forced to do by FIFA.

What i find funny reading all the post on other sites is they all seem to forget what will happen if we lose the HMRC case.

Many top flight clubs will be hit from leagues all over the world and many will go into admin.

The future is bright the future is blue forever BLUE

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The future is good because others will be punished ? How does that work ?

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I think you are missing the intended humour of the poster here - the last word "BLUE" being in capitals.

Good Luck, Good Bears

Gerry

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Good - definitely NOT

Honest - very probably!

bil72

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30 May 2012 00:31:39
Hold on a minute. I've just been watching Newsnight Scotland and I'm beginning to smell a dirty wee rat. CVA will give return of 9p in the pound at most, as long as at least 75% of creditors agree to it, ie. HMRC and Ticketus combined. However, this is dependent on the outcome of the big tax case. If that goes against Rangers the payment will be as little as 1 or 2p in the pound. So basically, HMRC either accept CVA and £2.5m (approx) at most, on condition that the tax case goes in Rangers favour or end up with £250,000 if liquidated. Does this not set a dangerous precedent for HMRC if they accept? Can they afford to open this Pandora's box? (ie. Romanov? and god knows who else, could see a way out). It feels like CW and his partners in crime are goading HMRC to refuse the CVA. The main tangible assets are not included, ie Ibrox and Murray Park and are still 85% secured against Whyte's loan.
On the same day, the Court of Session rules in Rangers favour against their own National Football Association, in an action that has lead to the SFA now being in the predicament where they have no option, but to punish Rangers or incur the wrath of both UEFA and FIFA.
This has been carefully crafted to create further confusion, doubt and animosity with one objective in mind....liquidation, courtesy of CW, D&P and CG. They are specialists in this field and have been able to carefully manage their strategy as they have gone along. I would urge Rangers fans to avoid giving any money to Rangers FC or going to Ibrox while these vultures still have an interest. Rangers Football Club Ltd will be liquidated, but CW will still hold the strings to its former home and training facility. The only way to get rid of him is starve both of cash. He will then have no funds to service his debt and he will go under. Then and only then, can the Rangers faithful return. Meantime, start to organise the new club themselves from scratch.

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30 May 2012 00:29:11
This is worse than the Whyte takeover; why oh why did D&P knock back the blue knights?

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Because they were all talk and no cash

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29 May 2012 23:58:33
I like many Rangers supporters know that today was a mixed blessing. I know that this now means we can expelled from league. But I like many other Gers supporters don't care what happens now.
This has gone on for so long, and we have all feared the worst. If we do not get kicked out then we will struggle for the next few years, this is my opinion.
But what today has done, is show how incompetent and shambolic the SFA is. All over Europe Scottish football will be a hugh laughing stock, on Talksport Radio tonight it was being labelled as a mess, a joke, shocking.
I do fear the worst is yet to come for Gers, but when I think about it, if Gers get kicked out now, they will be kicked out as the most successful team in the world, kicked out by a corrupt FA run by an ignoramus, and Scottish football will crumble to it's knees.
Kick us out if you have the balls, I don't care for being in a league which is the laughing stock of the world. Rangers might disappear, but the view of many around the world now that Scottish football is unworthy of any claim to be even a half decent footballing country will live on.

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Your club is the laughing stock of the world as well as the most corrupt especially if all the rumours of taped phones, money laundering and it just continues....the league would at least have respect if they kick you out and punish yous harsher now. i know the word respect lacks in your club as well as integrity but it is not the end if yous go, its just the begining...heard that before?
you will be up there with the italian clubs cheating, and ur not the most success full for titles are always going to be tainted and maybe removed. enjoy that

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I live in england and apart from the scots ere nobody cares whats going on at rangers trust me.scottish football is a joke the world doesnt care so that makes everybody team a joke in scotland and i do wish i was lying....mark. {Ed039's Note - So post on pages that people care about then)

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29 May 2012 23:54:25
Why will Rangers not do the right thing for once since Sir Davie Murray joined the club. Since his tenure he has brought the game into disrepute. To do this he used Rangers. Both should be charged + punished. SPL + SFA are afraid to challenge Rangers. Now Fifa will demand action or every club could suffer. Rangers name + titles are tarnished. Do the right thing , take your punishment. If it means no more Rangers , then good riddence. Scottish football doesn't want or need cheats. Let Rangers die with some dignity. True Scottish fan.

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I'm alway's amazed by how much Celtic supporters seem to know about the case and possible punishment Rangers may face. Makes one wonder if they're privy to some inside information...lol.

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@1: where's the evidence that the OP is a Celtic fan? Yet another Rangers fan just assumes it was because they said something you didn't like.

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