Rangers Banter Archive August 30 2014

 

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30 Aug 2014 17:04:18
a struggle once again, Templeton injured once again, Zaliukas injured once again, but we got there.
This time last season we would have had 45,000 +

The missing fans are slowly bleeding us to death, if they love the club so much, why are they doing this to us?

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30 Aug 2014 18:19:13
To true in days gon by we would've went & supported the team and still let the board know how we feel boycotts are doing more harm than good
r.f

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You can't blame the fans for the current financial shambles at the club. Blame the current and previous board who have bled the club dry. The fans have a right to choose to attend or not

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30 Aug 2014 18:46:20
Not everyone is happy to pay to watch this dross - overpaid players struggle against supposedly weaker opposition week in week out whilst the club are hemorrhaging money which the board cant/wont explain; seems simple to me why people don't want to turn up anymore

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Absolutely agree. why have we been paying ridiculous amount of money out in wages, signing players when we will be lucky to see the end of September.
To be in this position once was bad enough but twice is unforgivable!

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What a disgusting post wee bill, shocking shocking post you should be ashamed of yourself,

Any fan how bought a season ticket bleed our ckib dry, can believe what I just read from you!

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2) 3) 4) and 5) its just an opinion. The board are a load of chancers, but soon there will be nothing left to support. We might end up in the Lowland league along with Gretna 2008 who knows, but at least if we had last years numbers of ST sales, there would have beem more cash up front. If we are a bad as it seems, then we need to be offloading virtually all the seasoned pro's along with the grossly overpaid coaching team and start all over again. If king or Ashley or whoever with money want to make a name for themselves, they are running out of time to do it.
Finally 5) I have nothing to be ashamed of. I have supported the club for 60+ years and I am saddened by where we have landed,

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It's not the fans that control the finances at Rangers it's the finance people who project and plan for the years ahead not just a season The suits sitting in there seats of power should be holding their heads in shame yet they'll be able to pick up even more cheap shares then sell them on doing a Runner after it STOP BLAMING THE FANS F. FS. and the team was prototype poor the first half and people are getting sick of watching dross!

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Wee Bill, how can you possibly blame the fans for staying away, we have been well and truly shafted at every turn, we have turned out in our thousands and watched hard earned money go from our hands straight to the pockets of directors, accountants, consultants on a huge scale. Our support is fragmented simply because we have no one looking after our club, it is bad decision after bad decision. The one group of innocents in all of this is the fans. The truth is if we don't stand up now we might lose our club completely.

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We bill the fans have aright to make up there own mind whether or not to attend I have not renewed my ticket not becase o u o f but because I can't go through another season looking round about me looking at watch anything other than watch the game and I am quite sure there is a whole lot more the same as far as the boycot goes the leaders have been brainwashed by king and want glory and se there names in the paper kings tactics are worse despicable worse than green and co all he is doing is putting our great club in grave danger of going into oblivion if he wants control put his money where his mouth has been for the last year but as I said many times before he is as bad as the rest of the money grabbers

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Could it be that fans are not just boycotting but were toally pissed off with the quality of football played last year and could not stomache another year of lack of vision and quality?
I still maintain if we had brought in the youth players in at the start fans would have encouraged them and also felt is if they belonged to the rise again of Rangers.
Signing players in their twilight imop was / is not the way forward.
Dounebear

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That's me been told then! I'm not blaming the fans for where we are, but we need to get out and SUPPORT the cause. We don't have another home game till Sept 16 and we are told we only have enough to survive 2 more weeks. We are now in last chance saloon waiting for Dave King to kick the swing doors open. It ain't going to happen guys without our help too. That is my point i'm trying to make. If we don't build up our support, we will have nothing TO support.

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Wee bill at n6 if we had went down the let's start again route at the start of our troubles we would not be in this mess now but having people in charge that can't coatch at all never helped

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@10, totally agree with you on both points. Many are staying away because of the way the club is, or is not, being run but also because of being fed up of the absolute dross that is on display on the park. The lack of vision and the massive missed opportunity beggars belief as far as I'm concerned.

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31 Aug 2014 09:01:49
So if we had played youth from the start & had better coaches all would be fine . if the youths were good as aird mcleod they would've been given a chance ,the board wasted the cash . I don't see other managers rushing to ibrox to even take our youth on loan that's how good they are .
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Ally is as culpable as anyone for the reason so many fans are not turning up to the games. Under his tenure the football has been shocking and his signing policy is the reason we are in this mess. Young players have been ignored in favour of journeyman players with no longterm future or sell on value. You only need to go back to last week with the ludicrous signing of Robinson. 2 young keepers considered not good enough to sit on the bench and another journeyman player brought in that we just can't afford. You couldn't make it up

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Dundee Utd were happy to take Charlie Telfer and Hearts snapped up Gallagher pretty quickly. Maybe the reason others aren't getting picked up is because they don't get a chance.

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31 Aug 2014 11:25:52
The problem with playing a younger and cheaper team was that there was an urgency to get to the top league as quickly as possible and look where that has led us? I would, personally, have been delighted to see a Rangers playing a youthful team with a different coach and would have accepted it taking 6 or 7 years to get up the leagues.

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@14, r. f. , you are continually defending amc and his management team but say our youths are not good enough to step up. What exactly are the coaches employed to do? Are they not there to COACH these players to a level so that they CAN step up? You just can't see what is right in front of you.

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31 Aug 2014 12:58:20
original poster the board are to blame not the fans sick of people like your self blaming fans that are staying away the board need move on plain and simple and only way to do this is by forcing there hand by not giving into there begin pleas

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31 Aug 2014 15:28:43
@18 & 14 exactly they coach the youth & see they are either not good enough or ready for first team football . telfer still not broke into first team at utd .
r.f

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N17steddy exactly mate I would have been more than pleased if we hade went down this route and taken longer to get back to top league but youngsters that have followed the club for a couple of years demanded a quick return

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@20, ok r. f. Doesn't quite fit your agenda so you try to make it fit. You just keep burying your head in the sand. 4 weeks into the season and you're having a go at Charlie Telfer! Unbelievable. As far as football management and an eye for a player is concerned Macnamara is miles ahead of amc, Gauld £2m, Robertson £2.8m Trouble is, you just don't want the lad to be a success, as again, it will not fit into your agenda. All you pro ally guys will be cringing when he is in the starting 11 regularly.

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{Ed039's Note - McNamara didn't find Gauld and Robertson, Gauld was already at Dundee United and Robertson was being scouted by United while Peter Houston was still in charge. I am not a fan of Ally the manager but you cant put a comparison between Ally and McNamara and their "eye for a player" when he didn't have anything to do with it, the credit McNamara should get is for giving these guys consistent first team football)

Fair comment Ed but he is the guy who gave Robertson his chance.

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{Ed039's Note - I said that, the credit he does deserve is giving them first team football)

Post number 12. You are spot on.

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N14 rf you should maybe have waited until transfer window was closed before that post eh I see a few youngsters are now out on loan between the ones out on loan and the others your hero has offloaded we have ver near a full team away

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30 Aug 2014 17:03:36
Can anybody explain why 'Super' Ally mentioned that he would like to sign some forward thinking players at his press conference yesterday?

And anybody know why he was in such a petulant mood?

Did the board ask him to take another wage cut or something?

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The fans are treated with contempt by the board(except when they need our cash) and total dross being dished up on the park.

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30 Aug 2014 11:37:39
From the daily record I knew but think this is spot on

In relative terms, £4m is a paltry amount that will service nothing other than the £1.5m in debts to Sandy Easdale and George Letham and, once expenses are covered, keep the doors open on Edmiston Drive perhaps until the next agm.

The failure of existing institutional investors, including Blue Pitch and Margarita, to support the board by underwriting their offer exposes chief executive Graham Wallace and his team as a busted flush with no credibility and if they had a shred of decency they would step down now and walk away for ever.

How despicable of Wallace to plead for more money from fans without clarifying his own financial position at the club.

Is he taking his full bonus of around £300,000, equivalent to 12 months' salary, and what are the benchmarks for such largesse?

Is Norman Crighton considering his position? He was brought in last November on £40,000 a year for two days' work a month to chair a new investment committee.

His brief was to provide entrepreneurial leadership and yet the club's financial fortunes have declined markedly.

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Dave King was approached by the Rangers Board. He requested basic and updated financial information which was refused and the discussion ended. Maybe King isn't such a bad boy after all? If the share issue fails to reach 15m the issue will end and that is when the like of King or Ashley or both might step in, or we will go under again.

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Where are you getting the 15M. the article stated £5M will be raised. the board failed to find sufficient investors to reach even £10M earlier. that's how bad the finances are. 1. 5M to pay back loans at the outset and the rest to finance club until new finance can be acquired, therefore it is only a stopgap. worrying times surely

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Doiger] King, or his cohorts, are behind the uof etc. , whose whole purpose was to de-stabilise our already vulnerable position for self gain. No better than the initial investors, Yes, they want the club, or what's left of it, for nothing. A sick joke, but certainly not funny. My biggest regret is that our great club is now tainted and, never again, will be the club I was proud to support for nearly sixty years.

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30 Aug 2014 16:04:09
We sure miss Bell, 2 goals today and not even half time. Bad stuff.

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15 million shares on offer at 20p = £4m raised before expenses.

shareholders can by 0 or more, but if all 15,000,000 not sold sale collapses.

need existing big share holders to announce how much they will take each day for next week. to boost. confidence

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30 Aug 2014 18:52:47
Just under 20 million shares available for the £3.96m. 15 million is the minumum required for the sale to go ahead and would only raise £3m before expenses which appear to be about £360k

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Billyb in response to your post n3 are you saying you are glad these invesible shareholders got control at rangers I think if rangers people [dave king etc ] had got control instead of the imposters we wouldn't be in trouble cause king etc have got money and friends with money duff and phelps were put in control of admin through craig shyte

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30 Aug 2014 11:02:27
You know who I blame hear the UoF group who claim to have your best interest of rangers at heart which I rubbish all the lad who is there leader wants is his name in the papers and his fave on tv get a grip no one want administration again hopefully we get the cash to save it come on rangers fab get behind the club

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The board are to blame no one else

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30 Aug 2014 18:42:35
I have a real concern that as far as the UOF are concerned they would react in a manner that would drive off any proposed investor. Unless of course they and Mr King are involved.

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Op so you are glad current mob are ruining I mean runnning rangers

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30 Aug 2014 10:55:31
Shambles shambles shambles, never thought I would say this but give us Peter Lawell any day no nonsense tell is at it is and is financially prudent. What has gone on at our club is horrible on every level, we have more players than Chelsea more directors in at the trough than you would find in a third world country a manager vastly over paid bonus bonus bonus bonus to all and sundry, can't pay our bills a share ofer that just cannot work due to the pricing mechanism I hurts to the core we are being fleeced left right and centre, I bought my 3 seasons tickets hoping that would help but regretting it now rant over but still love my team WATP

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Saddens me to say but my love for Rangers is dying because of the last few years and I will not give them another penny until I know its getting spent correctly.

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Op its a good job no one can see round corners that's all I will say

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31 Aug 2014 10:54:54
Fed upbeat why is the latest financial update surprised you. At lady set of accounts Rangers income exceeds expenditure by £6mill a year. They can't borrow any money long term so they have to get buy on what they generate. The £70milliln story is a disgrace but as you said too many players, overpaid players, and too many overpaid directors. It did not take Mr Wallace 120 days to work out what to do or else he is a numpty. Income and expenditure need to match. So they need to cut out Directors. Problem, need to pay them off and no money. Wallace needs to reduce his salary from 300k to 100k. He won't do it. McCoist needs to reduce to £100k. He won't do it. Players need to reduce their money. They won't do it. the share offer won't work because the big investors, Blue Pitch, le eyes and Marghetita won't underwrite the offer. They know that out of the £4mill, £500k in expenses, £1.5 to outstanding loans and £300k for Mr Wallace leaves £1.3mill. That will lady 3 months then it's back to square 1. So no one is going to throw any more cash at the problem. Dave King won't help as he won't pay over the top for everyone's shares. If he buys the shares the money does not go to the club it goes to the owners of the shares so it's of no interest to him or Mike Ashley for that matter. They will let it go into admin and then pick it up for £5 or £6 mill. It is the only way out. Then it's a 25 point deduction and if rangers can stay in the Championship with that deduction then it's no Premier League till 2016. By then King may own the club and make a difference. Issue is that the board or a creditor need to put it into admin before Wallsce sell off Ibrox. The overhead is just too big. Rangers need to downsize today. McCoist, Wallace, players, Directors if they are Rangets men need to take the pain. The only other hope is that this share offer works and the shareholders agree to a new share offer at the AGM which will bring in another £10 mill but again the cost will need to be cut. Unless cost cutting accross the board happens it is Admin 2 no matter what mr wallace tells the fans.

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30 Aug 2014 10:37:18
Any word on the away strip coming out? Colours?

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Is that really your biggest concern at this point in time?

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Nowhere near my biggest concern, but no point bleating on about the p#sh on the park or bunch of crooks about 2 take club into admin.

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Op if this mob ain't removed the players will be coming out in the scud football strips cost money

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30 Aug 2014 08:24:29
Was quite surprised to see how the voting was going in the daily rag on who we would like running our club, DK and his consortium 32%, a new board and regime 27%, Fan owned 24%, a new board led by Mike Ashley 8% and finally the current board and regime 8%, seems we would still prefer someone else running the club ahead of ourselves and at the other end of the scale 8% of us voted the current board boggles the brain that one, the same amount voted for M A led board if we really do want someone other than a fan run club why not Mike Ashley are we that sceptical of the man obviously a man who knows how to run a business, I know he's not loved by the Newcastle fans, but the club is well run and we'll financed, and then there's the small matter of his personal wealth reputed to be 1. 2b if he was serious about a move on our club why does it seem we don't trust him WATP

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