Rangers Banter Archive April 30 2012

30 Apr 2012 22:44:41
ed see if we come back as a newco do we still have the transfer embargo or can we sign players again

SM {Ed001's Note - it depends on the circumstances, the rules are still in the middle of being set up, so it is impossible to give a definitive answer, sorry.}

Who knows? The point of the new rules wasn't to "kick Rangers when they are down" as some here have said, but to set out the circumstances under which a newco can take the place of an existing or liquidated club. Without those rules, everything has to be decided on the fly, hence Bill Miller can't get the guarantees he's after.

30 Apr 2012 22:15:06
thinking about this bk situation, anybody else think newco was there plan all along and the recent bidding fiasco is a ploy to get present gers fans support in order to have a following in the event of a newco being formed? i hope im wrong. ntbear

Nah,your bang on mate.playing for it all along then say we didnae have a choice

30 Apr 2012 21:50:46
seems to me that the blue knights are up to the limit of their cash.share issue coming to help them get blazers and ties and the fans pay for it!nice work if you can get it

30 Apr 2012 21:15:40
if gers are the {so called best fans in the world } how can yous not save your own club like other fans , what have yous raised £400,000 fund ,what a joke

You lot didn't do anything you muppet in 94. The bunnet invested 9m of his cash then later did a share issue. The RFF gives nothing back but is built on donations by fans, when you bought your shares a lot of people made a killing quickly selling them. Why do you lot try to rewrite history?

Ooh calm down , if gers mean that much to yous ,how come ( the best support in world ) can only scrape up £400,000 ,yous are the best supported club in 3rd division laughin ma hairy ass off ,yous are the weakest (and poorest) supporters ,GOODBYE

Celtic just got there beggin bowl out atleast were rounding oor own mob and thier money. and 400,000 is a lot of money in todays economy maybe not in football terms but just remember its a recession before you open yur hole.

murray and whyte dont pay there way
Rangers fans do and then some!

ryanrfc

Who you kidding mate 400,000 is nothing 12 million for flo now thats what you call real money,but maybe your right about the economy,after all SIR MINTY did sell it for a quid.if celtic had put down a fiver they would have got four quid change.

30 Apr 2012 19:23:44
Im here to be shot down fellow bears, i have a sneeky feeling bill ng will re enter the bidding, and if hibs, hearts, dundee utd. would be sent to the 3rd div. then i belive so should we, no favours nd years og sanctions lets just take wots coming and hope for the best.
Inverbear

As i said before, the 3rd divisions is about to come the new top leauge in scotland, lots of temas to be liquidated soon and come join us is div3...pmsl.....so celtic i hope you survive in the s**tty premier leauge with partick, and raith rovers etc...jsm

Did i just read that pish and 10 idiots agree with him? big family

@1: you hope.

30 Apr 2012 19:05:56
I think liquidating at the end of the season would be more counter active than just now as we are losing a s**t load of money every week and dumb and dumber are fleecing us rotten. Sad to say but I think it's curtains for rangers and the blue knights just don't have the backing or the money they need for the job, and as for miller I fear he is an American Craig whyte, he sees a chance to make cash from this.

Of course Miller want to make money he is a business man after all.
However, he will know that to make a serious killing, he needs to put an attractive, viable product onto the field.
Personally I hope he does take us over, he is far better placed to fulfill his goal than TBK and from what I`m hearing, his gameplan is outstanding.

30 Apr 2012 18:48:19
Think most people agree that Rangers should be punished, the problem is why punish the new owner for crimes of the past owners.

Why not defer the the transfer embargo for one transfer window, letting the owners buy new players and by doing this make it more attractive selling point.

Das Shadow

The club is punished - owners don't count.

Rangers have not paid in full for players that were signed at the begining of this season yet and are likely to default when the next instalments fall due. What about the millions of pounds Rangers owe to all concerned?

The owner knows what they are buying. There has to be sanctions otherwise anyone can just sell their debt-ridden club and start again with a clean slate.

How is it a clean slate, your deferring the embargo for one transfer window, then bring in the one year embargo.

Short memorys just 14 months ago we clapped him down edmiston drive. like it or not craig whyte owns rangers and as has happened many times in the past the club suffers it about time we started facing the facts the owner owners of our club broke the rules so there clubpays

30 Apr 2012 18:30:03
stv saying bidder due in the next 24 hours & sfa meeting put off till next monday. theres 2 home games left for rangers but anyone else think this is the week that rangers go down ? if there isnt a prefered bidder by this time tomorrow then get to the bookies & get the odds on rangers going down this week.

also if rangers won yesterday,do you think they would just go into liquidation this week so that there last game was a win against celtic?

new co ......

lenny

Honestly listening to some of the fanstasy stuff that Celtic fans come out with is irksome. Rangers football club will not be liquidated, only the Rangers 1889 company will be liquidated if that turns out to be the case.

All history, assets,players and brand will be transfered to a new parent company the Football club will contine as normal.

At the end of this Rangers will still be called Rangers and will still play at Ibrox and still be formed in 1872 no matter what happens. Sorry to disappoint the Celtic tax/legal/financial experts but its the truth maybe they should try looking up just what a newco is rather than just what they think it is.

30 Apr 2012 17:06:23
rangers have no chance of coming of administration the only way is liquidation and a newco formed i blame duff and phelps craig whyte sir david murray and also all these so called businesses who supposedly have high ranking rangers supporters who have not moved an inch to consider buying rangers. just think if you took rangers overseas ie merchandise and that there is a big gap in the asian market and i know for a fact rangers could rake in a fortune from this. but noone seems to care about our great club

Celtic fan here...why can't you sell the naming of the stadium for so many million like say the...Nike arena etc...has it been thought if possible...good luck lads

30 Apr 2012 16:52:31
Here is a suggestion... i dont know if this has already been mention...

If the SPL sanctions come in to play and we do lose SPL income.... aren't able to sign any players etc....

If we do boycott all away games then why dont we open up ibrox on the away days and people can come in watch the game at a fiver.... pie stalls can be open etc.... we can bring in our own money while the rest suffer... so they should too!

All 1 or 2 games,cripplin impact

We dont own the pie money, david Murray sold that business aswell.

You see the main problem with this, and this is caused by the arrogance of some boycotting games. It works both ways. If Rangers fans, supported by the club, boycott tyhe games then other teams will just refuse to feed the game back to Ibrox. It's called tit for tat and Rangers have started it.

Who will supply the pictures? more overheads.nonsense

@3. Think you might find ESPN or SKY have control over TV rights and not individual clubs. Sure clubs could then boycott the TV company from broadcasting from their stadium but surely that would be in breach of their TV contract agreements.

How much do you think teams will charge you to show THEIR games ? And do you have your own broadcasting company to beam the games back?

League rules forbid it, even rangers tv can only be sourced from abroad legally.

F***k sake boys it has been proven that RFC cheated. What is the point on boycotting away games? They will just boycott back and what is a football game with out two sets of fans? We have to take it on the chin and move on!
Sh@t happens.

Open up the pie stall, who owns the catering at Ibrox.

Answer David Murrays son

Answer

Why not let the under 20s play at ibrox and we could go and watch them thats the way it was in years gone by with the old reserve league

Its sky an espn that screen the games not the clubs how thick r sum people. spambo

30 Apr 2012 16:35:20
Here is a question for all the Ally doubters...

Name one manager who's club has went into administration but still managed to secure 2nd place (although we are not secure in 2nd yet) as well as beating their rivals 3-2 going on 7 without a fully fit first pick striker? All this on a limited budget.... Name one!


Ally is actually a very good manager who has a lot to learn and will make many more mistakes... but this season, under his circumstances he hasn't put too much wrong.... admittedly he has made some bad mistakes.... so did walter...

Ok then, in reply, name me a manager who was 15 points clear in the league 4 months before they went into administration. Name me a manager who has went into administration who is manager of one of two teams who always romp away every year. Name me a manager who actually tried to sign a player whilst in administration. Now find me a manager who is all three. Yes, you can't, but you can't try and justify that McCoist's good under that criteria. Administration was actually a godsend for Ally.

Going on 7? are you mental? second in scotland?you were miles ahead at admin.what a joke

Agreed. We could do alot worse and better would cost too much. CheltBlue

It was only 9 pts of a lead and it was the administrators that tried to push the cousin signing through whilst not being in grasp of procedures and rules when it comes to football clubs in administration.

@4: it was 15 points - games in hand don't automatically equal wins, do they? Another Rangers fan trying to make it seem better than it was. Your team threw away a 15 point lead.

Celtic win? It makes a change. Did they have more money? a full squad? Did they go into administration?
I am glad Celtic one but we can not be sure they would have one if all this sh@t happend!

Rangers proplems started in october when all th s**t started with white. SPAMBO

Look mc coists a joke 15 points ahead an celtic have destroyed that lead ,the administrators are deflecting this sh**t away from his own probs on pitch

Rangers only dropped a 9 point lead and if any fan doesnt understand that they are a moron. FACT

Mr Blonde

@9: Explain. The league tables had Celtic 15 points behind.

30 Apr 2012 16:21:53
Even if we goto the wall, I will never forget helicopter Sunday not just for rangers winning the league but for the face of the guy with the pope hat on at fir park, it was priceless. Ha.

You take joy in someones anguish not joy in your own teams triumph it's like yes won the league entry into champs league no look at that guys face the Celtic fan ha ha get it up him is that why u support rangers

Number 1, put your dummy back in, this is a banter page, away back put your pope hat back on. Ha.

@1 yeh and your hearts bleeding for us eh!? oh sorry I got that mixed up, your boot's bleeding from kicking us in the teeth while we're down! thats right, much more dignified of you! LB

Pity the full team that day were on EBT,s.....awe well 4weeks & rfc ends forever,timeline ends,history gone,no newco will ever be rfc after liquidation,no matter how much the media & pr spin dress it up....stevo

Dignity ,you lot need to look that up, I wont even bother cutting and pasting quotes from your current manager when Celtic where in the grubber. No class no morals and no money goodbye you are the weakest link

Dannybhoy

Post 4.)

Pity the EBT scheme wasn't illegal back then............

TTG

Try changing the record Stevo

bill72

@6: that'll be for others to decide. It may have been illegal the way Rangers were using it - to pay wages...

Not as funny as the gers supporters on sunday , lol lol lol

30 Apr 2012 16:05:10
I hope you are all proud of the disgusting scenes posted online from the toilets at celtic park. All the decent gers men must be cringeing that, at this perilous time in your clubs history, this is what you decide to do. The songs that I posted about yesterday were all clearly heard but as always you are in denial and bury your head in the sand. The truth is now out there and I for one hope these morons are proud of themselves for perhaps putting the final nail in the coffin of the club they claim to love...........martyc1888

Aye your lot are Saints, been on twitter I see, stop pointing fingers and clean up your own back yard.

On the vid u clearly hear some fans telling them to shut up and rangers would have to pay for damage the biggsest noron is the clown that posted it cops at th door soon

Marty what about ur fans setting fire to seats at under 17s game did that not happen ???


TB

The police will be at there door soon?...are you having a laugh, the police stood there and watched it for 10 minutes and done nothing. pmttid.

Martyc1888, do you enjoy playing the OF point scoring game when it comes to singing? Did your club get a fine from UEFA this season? What song was that you lot were singing when McCourt came on? Grow up. {Ed014's Note - There is nothing wrong with the song Celtic sing about McCourt.

So we dont have the monopoly on neds! disgusting behaviour, pointless and loutish ..... your point!? we condone this!?! hell no! as for the songs ...... severly curtailed nowadays, nothing that is banned on Sun either. All this from a fan group that is offended by everything but rarely ashamed of some of your own supporters vecifourous support of terrorist organisations! Get off the moral high ground and start working with all decent people against louts and bigots and stop this pathetic points scoring! LB

Both sets of fans have/had done stupid things at each others grounds, hypocrisy again creeping in with some posters on here.

TB, as I said the decent Gers men must be cringeing as I am anytime a small minority do anything to damage the reputation of my club and perhaps you are one of thoe decent ones. The problem I have is that it wasn't a minority yesterday. Throughout the game yesterday almost every Rangers fan to a man resorted to horrific chants and songs that have no place in football whereas we had 6 times as many fans singing NOT one sectarian song. Most teams have a minority of idiots but it seems that Rangers have a majority which is the difference. As you say, these idiots cannot be Rangers fans but hang onto the club to feed their brand of hatred and bigotry which is the main reason why the OF are not welcome in England. These idiots are adding further woe the the situation of the club they preach to love. The only thing they love is to love to hate all things Celtic.........martyc1888

Ed u r wrong u aint allowed to sing any song with word fenian in it {Ed014's Note - Nonsense.It is an offence to use the word in a derogatory way like adding the B word to it not the actual word.Please try to write in English instead of stupid text talk.

Marty,

So whats your view of the vile act from the Celtic fans at the u'17 match the other week? Wrecking seats and nearly setting the place on fire....oh and the clearly visible Green Brigade banner directly in front of the morons in question.

Your quick to slaughter Rangers fans, so lets hear what you have to say about these members of the infamous green brigade???

TTG

TTG, the green brigade are small part of our support, my point is that is was EVERYONE in the rangers end. And I'll reiterate this once more as you obviously can't read - there was NO sectarian singing from celtic fans yesterday, the GB included. The green brigade have really cleaned up their act and now have a positive influence in creating match atmosphere at every game. Their banner was banter, your songbook throughout the game was hate filled and sectarian. Hope that clears things up!! ............martyc1888

Please re watch the game marty as it was loud and clear for the whole world to see and hear. IRA support has NO place in football end of story.

Don't need to watch it although I have twice (great viewing), I was at it and was right in between the GB and the Rangers fans. Think I'm better placed to comment. I agree that IRA support has not place in football but there were none of these songs so stop trying to cover up for the disgraceful support at the away end.........martyc1888

30 Apr 2012 15:36:39
Bartley and little are shocking 2 worst players ever to put on a gers shirt!!

Little reminds me of steven thomson and was crap aswell, mo edu is garbage aswell and was major found put without davis yesterday aswell

Franny jeffers?

Plenty worse than them over the years and bet you werent slaggin off little after last old firm or last week

You werent saying that when you won 3-2 at Ibrox!

30 Apr 2012 15:14:24
I can't get my head round why Celtic fans still believe they will survive without Rangers. I'm not saying this to make Rangers out to be so much better than Celtic. Believe me if the shoe was on the other foot i'd be praying for Celtic to come through.

Celtic may very well survive without Rangers but would the likes of ICT, Killie, Motherwell and co? Don't think so. So in theory Celtic, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen and perhaps Hearts would be the only full time clubs in the league, the rest would most defiantly have to go part time. Who would broadcast such a product? Or sponcer it? How long before the european co efficient drops so low that only 1 team has a chance to play European football? With no Rangers would you fancy Dundee Utd's chances of making the group stages of the CL, or even making it past xmas in the Europa league? So the co efficient would be down to Celtics success and with no money available domestically will they ever be in a position to make a dent in the CL?

To summarise....No Rangers = No OF = No TV/Spnncership money= smaller clubs struggling to stay afloat = non competitive league = lower european co efficient.

J1985

Alternatively: no Rangers = clubs having to downsize and cut cloth to suit smaller budgets. Anyway, you don't know if TV money ect. will be reduced; Rangers fans just hope the threat of that is enough to keep Rangers in the league.

No TV = speculation
No OF = Other clubs not affected
Smaller clubs afloat = lesson to not rely on others for financial stability
Non competitive league = 2 team league is competitive? Ha
Lower euro coefficient = OF gets beat in earlier round

I'd rather this opportunity gets used to evaluate Scottish football rather than fighting to maintain a status quo that is ruining the sport in this country.

1)The SPL will just be like all the other european leagues outside of the big ones like EPL, Spanish, French and German.

How come Celtic and the rest of the SPL cant survive without Rangers even though Rangers are the team who are skint. You sound like an ex who has been dumped telling the SPL that we will be nothing without you. If all these tv deals etc are such a big provider then why are Rangers going bust? If scottish football goes down the drain its SDM and Rangers fault stop blaming everyone else for your mistakes

Herman the German

Peter Lawwell has stated that Celtic have a business Plan and vision that does not rely on Any other club.
All other SPL clubs r the same, stand alone businesses.
This nonsense that all other clubs needs Rangers really is pitiful rationale. It's saying you can never ever be ejected from the SPL for any reason as you are far too important. How really ridiculous and silly a proposition is that.

All of that sounds fine to me. No Rangers no TV no old firm. Fine let's go for it... Honesty and integrity in sport.

They will survive on a smaller budget. Do you think it right that clubs should allow Rangers to operate as they have been because they too effectively benefit from financial mismanagement? Sounds corrupt to me.

@3. Just because its in your nature as a celtic fan to blame everyone else please dont assume us rangers fans are kf the same mind set. at no point in my post do i blame anyone, every rangers fan i know accepts sdm is the main culprit and cw must take some of the blame also. never have i known a fellow supporter to blame anyone else.
As for other clubs just surviving on a smaller budget.......was that not my point about going part time. no way could caley thistle for instance continue to operate at a full time capacity with substancially less tv/sponcer money.
J1985

It's not a case that Celtic won't survive. The standard of player that they will be able to attract will fall big time. Once players realise that there is no OF derby there will be no attraction, yes, Celtic can offer the potential of entering the Champions League proper, but once they continually fail to enter the group stages players won't see any attraction in joining Celtic. In time, the quality of the SPL will be that of the Welsh or Irish leagues.......

TTG

30 Apr 2012 14:02:52
Can anyone tell me? Was there as many Celtic fans on here after the 3-2 game? Because I can't recall some of these names, miko disappeared for a week if I remember correctly.

Just as all the rangers fans have done one on our site since rangers bottled a 15 point lead

Never been on your site and never will, I support rangers and I'm not interested in Celtic.

@2: but a considerable number of Rangers fans are, going by the posts on here.

30 Apr 2012 13:53:57
I see that we're back to needing rather than wanting a strong Rangers for the betterment of Scottish football . Is it just me who remembers the 1980's when we had a piss-poor Rangers and Celti but a robust and competent national team who could qualify for the finals of international tournaments . As a non-OF supporter, it may be time to give it another whirl .I can also remember the debate as to whether Anglo's should be allowed to play for Scotland. Beware putting too much power in the hands of the few .

Paddy Malarkey

Yea in the 80s you had a piss poor Rangers and Celtic but take a look at the gates you where all still happy enough to take a piss poor Rangers and celtics cash so jog of back down the food chain

lochaber Bear

Yes that's right a poor OF in the 80's, Celtic won the league 4 times, Rangers 3, Aberdeen twice and Dun Utd once.
Aberdeen had their euro cup wins and Dun Utd reached a final. 29yrs ago since a cup win in euro but three finalists in between.
Scotland 2 World Cups and home before the postcards and I was at one and the squad were home before me. Scotland did not qualify for the euros in 80, 84 and 88. In the 90's Scotland qualified for the world cup in 1990 and 1998 and the euros in 1992 and 1996. I think Scotland's run in the 90s is better.

30 Apr 2012 13:37:15
Could someone please tell me if we could apply to join the lower English leagues?

No, we are scottish

No. the same answer as the last few months: no. and when someone asks yet again it'll be the same: no.

Can always apply!

There is nothing to stop us applying, it would in all likelihood be rejected. Just because we are Scottish doesn't make a difference it's just that they don't want Rangers or Celtic down there. Nothing to stop someone buying a low league team and re-branding them as Rangers if the current club liquidates, although highly unlikely.

GovanFR

@4: it makes a huge difference that Rangers is a Scottish club as UEFA won't allow it.

@3 and they can say no again!

@5 UEFA can't stop it, they would be breaching EU regulations. Do you think Rangers and Celtic would have applied in the past knowing there was no way it could happen? The fact is the English don't want them.

GovanFR

@7: UEFA can stop it. This has been discussed to death on here and Ed001 established that EU regulations wouldn't count in this case. I'm sure he can put this to bed (again) if he's around.

If I'm wrong, however, I apologise in advance.

1903 {Ed001's Note - to even stand a chance of happening, it would need the agreement of the English and Scottish FAs, which would then lead to a weakening of their position in UEFA. It will not happen, it would risk the Home Nations 4 places in UEFA, there is no way it is even an option. That is why Celtic's bid to move down to the English leagues has not led anywhere yet.}

Thanks Ed. Looks like we were both right and wrong, GovanFR.

1903 {Ed001's Note - you're welcome mate.}

30 Apr 2012 13:19:15
Blue Knights revised bid, and extra £5
who in their right mind would accept a CVA of 8 or 10p in the £, when the assets of Rangers Football Club, is worth 10 times more, The sale of Ibrox and Murray Park, not to mention the players would more than clear the debts of all parties involved, so its crazy to accept a CVA
D and P said any bids had to be unconditionial, do TBK and Miller not know the meaning of the word unconditionial

Here we go again..Can you please tell me
how anyone can place an unconditional bid with :

1.Ongoing sanctions against the club
2. A CVA being agreed &

the two most important issues

3. Whyte agreeing to sell his shares
4. The Big Tax Case .

D&P can harp on all they want about
wanting unconditional bids but it simply cant happen until some of these are resolved.

30 Apr 2012 13:03:41
SPL PROPOSALS

�Minimum of 15 points deducted from any club entering administration
�10-point penalty for two seasons for any club that transfers its share in the SPL to a new company
�75% reduction in payments to any club relaunched as a new company for a period of three seasons
�Requirement for clubs to pay players on time and to report any failure to pay wages
�Requirement for clubs to report any failure to pay PAYE/NIC
�Player registration embargo imposed on any club failing to pay PAYE/NIC

No NewCo to have previous board members, coaching staff or players of old company for min 3 years.

30 Apr 2012 12:58:35
If we go to the wall I don't care I will support the newco just like I support the team just now. Our proud history can never be lost because we will remember with pride the days of nine in a row, the days of john greg, cooper, laudrup, gazza, albertz. If we do go down we will go down as the club that won trophy after trophy, a club that the fans cared so deeply about, the club that yes sometimes disappointed us so badly but I will never trade these memories for anything and that is a history that will never die. If we start again as a new co then so be it, we will start with no trophys, no honours,no history on paper but rest assured celtic we welcome the chase and 4 years working our way back won't change the fact that we will chase you, catch you and do what we did in our 140 year history before - we will beat you. Rangers fans are Rangers fans- we can except defeat without lying to our selfs we were cheated, we will take what the future holds on the chin, dust our self off pick our shoulders up head held high and bounce back-we don't do walking away

What about all the 'Wallace's shot was over the line' claims after the December Old firm?

Those memories of players and chasing trophies that have brought u to deaths door and your proud of it?

Your club couldn't beat us with players they could afford so they took players that they couldn't pay for. That's cheating. Murray wanted to win the big one but couldnt now you's are paying for it. We will survive without you's Celtichampions. bigirishmac

Sorry disagree big time - you have a right to your own opinion but if we go to the wall I DO CARE, a part of me would be gone for ever

JG

3. what rubbish!.... Rangers 9 in row happened before any EBT stuff was mooted....we were kicking your erchies for years as well before your 9 in a row.....another wee bhoy who thinks that Rangers current crisis validates all his conspiracy guff.....take our noughties titles...go on!it it all ended ramorra, we'd still have more than you, and still have a better head-to-head....sorry for being dragged into tit-for -tat, but some of this mob are just not real.

How could we not beat yous lol compare history we are most succesful club in the world

Listen i hear septic fans talking about jorge cadette goal still lol......selective memory in same game david robertson has goal disallowed which was a legitimate goal

@7 spot on mate same game finished 3-3 im sure

@7: point #1 was in respomse to the OP who claimed that Rangers fans don't bleat about unfairness in defeat. They do.

Different game mate(3-3), if I remember right... Cadete's as in a 3-1 win for us...and it was disallowed for handball...but I get what you are at.

@5...you should do some more research before saying anything about your 9inarow years. Your own director at the time has intimated that secondary payments were made to players during this era....might not have been EBT's but still illegal to make secondary payments to players as the SFA should have a copy of their contract. Would explain a thing or two dont you think? I mean Laudrup and Gazza plying their trade in Scotland when they could have played for the cream of European teams...Dont get me wrong having players of that quality playing in Scotland was fantastic at the time but knowing what we know now it does make you wonder.

@11: correct - all about money and possibly dodgy payments...

30 Apr 2012 12:33:16
@eds thanx for the new search bar...jsm

30 Apr 2012 12:24:53
Scottish Premier League decision on new financial fair play rules adjourned
Representatives from the 12 member clubs met on Monday morning, with eight resolutions on the table.

30 April 2012 11:59 GMT
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A meeting over new financial fair play rules for the Scottish Premier League has been adjourned, with clubs requiring further "clarity" over the proposals.

Representatives from the league's 12 member clubs met at Hampden on Monday morning, with eight resolutions to amend SPL regulations on the table.

The most significant proposals involved changes to the rules for clubs going into administration, and clarifying the process for any team which wished to form a new company and apply for the oldco's member share to be transferred.

Clubs will meet again on Monday, May 7, although SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster has said there is no indiciation whether a vote will be held on that date.

Doncaster, who addressed the media shortly after 12pm, said it was important "not to do anything today which might have long-standing consequences".

Proposed changes

Most notable among the proposed new rules are plans to set out penalties for "insolvency transfer events", where an insolvent club creates a new company and transfers its SPL share and membership to the new entity.

It is also proposed the SPL rules will be changed to increase the penalty for a club that enters administration.

Rangers were deducted 10 points after appointing Duff and Phelps in February but under the proposed changes a club would be deducted 15 points or one third of their total points from the previous season at the point of going into administration.

Immediate future

Doncaster also made clear that any application by Rangers to transfer their share to a newco ahead of any proposed vote would be dealt with under the SPL's current articles of association.

At present, the SPL board would vote upon any application to move a share to a newco, while also holding the right to impose any sanctions it saw fit for doing so....jsm

Can any one clarrify where this leaves rangers now

I'd rather start in 3rd division.

1.)
you need to ask?

we're fecked

bill72

30 Apr 2012 11:48:21
message to Timalloy

i have been reading your posts and in my opinion you are a disgrace Rangers are on life support at the moment and it looks as though it is failing and all you can do is take pleasure in this, is your hatred for Rangers so deep that you really don't give a damn about the ramifications that face Scottish football as a whole if Rangers fail to exist. or are you quite happy to see many other clubs face extinction just as long as Rangers die.

i have seen you post various times and you mention your two nephews who are Rangers supporters oh how proud they must be of their uncle Timalloy now

Lochaber Bear

An if it was celtic youd be sooo diffrnt eh

Quote the examples of hatred, please.

My dugs bigger than your dug!

bill72

I'd be different. I can say that as when Celtic were going through a tricky spell in the 90's, I could see how much pain my Tim friends were in and was never anything but supportive. I know some Gersmen were loving it, I and most others found it embarrassing. Still, if you're looking for an excuse to justify your hatred, maybe it's too late for you already? duccablue

30 Apr 2012 10:44:50
David Goodwillie to enjoy 80 hours
unpaid community service along
with Championship football next year!

Unpaid community service. Should be playing at Ibrox.

@ 2) maybe thats goin to be his service

30 Apr 2012 10:30:10
Relaunched Rangers could face penalty under SPL proposals
11 April 12 14:12 GMT

Rangers could start the next two seasons with a 10-point deduction, if they are relaunched as a new company.
The Scottish Premier League will consider new proposals for financial fair play at a meeting on 30 April.
Currently in administration, Rangers face potential liquidation and may transfer their assets to a 'newco'.
Rangers' administrators Duff & Phelps say the announcement of the new proposals has caused "a delay in the sale process".
Under the SPL's new proposals, clubs who enter administration would be docked at least 15 points instead of the current penalty of 10.
If passed, clubs who suffer an insolvency event would incur a penalty of the greater of 15 points or a third of their total of points from the previous season.
Other resolutions to be considered include a requirement for clubs to pay players on time and to report any failure to pay wages "in a timely manner". Failure to both pay wages on time and report it would be breaches of SPL rules.
Clubs would also be required to report any failure to make payments to HM Revenue and Customs in respect of PAYE and National Insurance contributions. Any club suffering such a "default event" would have a player registration embargo imposed and failure to report unpaid PAYE/NIC would breach rules.
Two of the proposals, reducing payments to clubs who transfer their assets to a newco by 75% for three years and clarifying the process of transferring a club's share in the SPL to a newco, require the support of 11 clubs to be passed.
All other resolutions require the support of a minimum of eight clubs.
"If adopted the amendments to the Articles and Rules will have effect from and including 14 May 2012," said an SPL spokesman.
"No further comment will be made in respect of these proposals until after the general meeting on 30 April at which they will be considered by the clubs."
Duff & Phelps have been considering three best and final offers and joint-administrator Paul Clark said: "As administrators we had hoped to announce [on Wednesday] the acceptance in principle of an offer for the purchase of Rangers Football Club, which would be followed by a period of exclusivity while due diligence is undertaken.
"Regrettably, this is not now possible as we were informed over the Easter holiday period that the SPL is proposing to consider at a general meeting on 30 April, significant rule changes in relation to clubs which find themselves in an insolvency situation.
"The effect of such revised measures being considered at this juncture is that we, as administrators are duty bound to inform those parties who have submitted bids of the proposed resolutions the SPL intends to consider. Failure to do so would constitute material non-disclosure on our part, which is a serious matter.
"Inevitably, bidders are now considering this information and will have to take a view as to whether it will affect their individual bids as they now stand.
"We hope to receive feedback from bidders as soon as possible in order for us to take the sale process forward as quickly as we can.
"We fully respect the right of the SPL to review its own rules and regulations and will not comment on the detail of what is being proposed for the meeting on April 30 at this stage.
"However, the fact that such measures are being considered at such a sensitive point in the sale process at Rangers is disruptive and regrettable. We hope to issue a further update by the end of this week."
Meanwhile, Rapid Vienna may appeal to Uefa if Rangers fail to pay the money due for Nikica Jelavic.
The Ibrox club signed the striker in 2010 and agreed to pay the £4m fee in instalments but Rapid are still owed just over £1m.
The Austrian club say they would not agree to a company voluntary arrangement that would guarantee only a fraction of the amount owed for the player, who has since joined Everton.

Rangers will vote for this. Their NewCo remains in SPL with 10 points deducted for 2 years. Mediocre punishment. No punishment at all. Considering a complete liquidation. Let's hope there are 2 clubs with integrity in the SPL not to sanction this.
Existing rules mean out of SPL and start in Div3. Why change it?

30 Apr 2012 09:58:43
I know being a Bears fans, The club will liveon, has we have good supporters who care about the club, and would watch them in the low leagues under what ever form. Be it the bears or what ever.

30 Apr 2012 09:49:38
Is there a new club been formed?

30 Apr 2012 09:27:43
Ive been a Rangers Fan all my life,
and i must say people that are calling for Ally to be sacked is dissapointing.

This man is Mr Rangers and is doing his best, alot of others would and could have walked, but Allys been here for the players and support.

I'm a rangers fan through and through but not good enough to be rangers manager, ally is out his depth. He couldn't beat malmo FFS and he shallowed what mr tight told him, I will never forget the quotes at start of the season, he said Mr tight promised him money and he believed him when any sensible person could see he was talking nonsense, matt McKay? USA dude? Ortiz? Keeping weir? Keeping healy? List goes on all allys decisions.

30 Apr 2012 09:09:18
were is big marven andrews when you need him#

Keep Believing

Living in Kirkcaldy

30 Apr 2012 07:52:37
11 players v 11 players and look how it turns out. what was it commons said younger fitter faster stronger. and what was the jelavic said
commons lacks fitness at the moment and the still had the first touch and class to leave the defenders for dead. not only that it must have hurt sh**er so much when tht ball flow over his head and he was left hepless.

You are the people.

I demand to know the names of the individuals who scored for rangers yesterday? i deserve to know

Peter Cardiff

What do you expect? In just over a year we have lost, Walter smith as manager, weir, bougy, naismith, Davis (yest), lafferty (yest), Miller and jelavic, no wonder your better if it wasn't for our finances you would be second best again.

Starting 11: mcshagger, Whittker, bougy, boca, papac, aluko, naismith, Davis, Wallace, jelavic, miller and you wouldn't have got near us, see your missing the point you haven't got any better we have just got worse.

You dont get it do you all the players you just mentioned should not be with you in the first place,you could not afford them,get used to what you have now cause if the spl have any balls they will demote you

1.)
your spot on mate - unfortunately those that are blind do not see (someone said once?)
let them live in their fantasy world for the timebeing
real life will catch up very quickly approx. end of june/ early july

bill72

@3: what happens at the end of June?

30 Apr 2012 07:35:06
Any truth in the rumour that the guy sittin infront of lennon yesterday may have been wearing a wig?

I liked the way he tried to blend in & not bring attention to himself by pulling the creme suit out the wardrobe ! ....

I thought he was one of the liverpool team from that bloody cup final years ago ;-)

30 Apr 2012 07:13:39
sad to say this stance of its the clubs fault not the fans is not cutting it any more, how many of us gloried in the success over the last 15 years.

if you quote the titles won you need to accept ...the cost paid to get them.

The problem was with all of us fuelling the need for success at all costs, lesson still to be learned.

Get a grip man. Our current crises is nothing to do with that period in our history. Our debt, when Whyte took over, was at 18 mil and getting smaller every year. Our debts were manageable. we are in trouble from what has happened since last summer.

If the EBT case goes against us then feel free to come on here and re-post, you'll have a valid point. until then, please stop listening to the bile.

And by the way, do you really think a supporter is doing something wrong by wishing their club success and celebrating the good times? Utter tosh. duccablue

@1: Murray was at the helm of a club spending beyond its means for years. If you can't see that there's no hope for you.

30 Apr 2012 06:43:03
Painsme to say it, but, well done Celtic, definitely best team on the day.
Observation though, was how civilised it was before, during & end of game at the dugout area. & all players remaing on park to shake hands etc.
Can' t think what the difference might have been this time round?

bill72

Fool beaten fair and square and still have a dig at Lennon,bigots like you ought to get a lif

Unfortuantly bill72 i think the players all realised that it may well have been the last old firm game as we know it and it was a show of respect from both sides, the rangers fans stood by the team yesterday and stayed till full time despite the result.

1.) you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried - you were the one raised - the bigot flag - says more about you than me
2.) your probably right - was only pointing out the bleeding obvious - but happened to upset the great unwashed again

bill72

30 Apr 2012 04:06:50
Can someone please advise?
If Rangers get liquified can we sell the assets for a nominal fee to a new owner, who can use them for a newco Rangers?
Or do the Assets have to be sold on the open market to maximise returns for all creditors?
Surely a new owner can't pick them up on the cheap, when there's creditors for over £130m..... If this is the case then laws need changed.

The assets will be sold to the highest bidder. Unless a "pre pack" liquidation can be sealed and is acceptable to the creditors. If this is not the case then you could have for instance Tesco owning ibrox, Aldi owning the car park and somebody else owning murray park.

If we get "liquified" it will be messy, lol

Or Craig Whytes dad as the major shareholder now.

30 Apr 2012 00:34:09
To all the laptop accountants and tax experts who have been saying for months that HMRC will not accept a Cva deal on the undecided but we are guilty already big tax case. I'm just back from Leeds after attending the Leeds leister game and decided to look in to their financial history and found very easily on a web search the following extract.

On 31 August 2007 HMRC decided not to pursue their legal challenge any further therefore accepting Bates' final offer

So enjoy your title and stop claiming victory in the death of rangers. The verdict on the BTC has not been made public yet and even if it does go against us then it's still not a forgone conclusion that a cva cannot be agreed.

Hope youve still got your jelly and ice-cream in the fridge as it might be goIng off soon.

BFH.

Theres always 1. That was 2007 we are now in 2012. Point being HMRC are no longer allowed to take CVAs or cut deals! Go on net again and properly check it out before you make a fool of us again.

Did your research tell you leeds were not liquidated?

1) Your right aboit leeds but the difference is they were not a big enough creditor to block a CVA so like it or lump it they had to go along with it. If I recall leeds owed about £6m to HMRC Rangers already owe £15m and thats before the big tax case result.

HMRC does not agree CVAs but when they are not big enough creditors they cant stop it. SDM should have been saving money for this he knew where it would lead.

The tax experts who say hmrc don't do cva's have not taken into account that Dundee, Leeds, Moterwell, Pompy , Doncaster and many others have all done cva's for much less than owed to hmrc.

Doncaster owed half a million pounds to hmrc and only paid back £3 in a cva settlement.

Have you not heard news HMRC have sacked top guy for going soft on companies such as accepting cva's

HMRC have been rather kind to Portmouth in the past too.

A deal is by no means out of the question. But HMRC will have to be sure that it's a good deal and that liquidation (before any Bill Miller style asset purchaes) won't give them more of a payout. In short, what would the club's assets be worth in an auction situation?

Correct - they have done deals before - with bigger fish as well (vodaphone)
but there are those who chose not to accept this

personally I would have thought some sort of deal would be better than nothing at all

bill72

2007 was 5 years ago, we've hit financial meltdown since. The Government and house of commons have no more appetite for allowing HMRC heads to forgive debt. It's over.
New regulations, new era, no more crooked football clubs. Uefa are hammering home their new financial fair play rules also.

8.)
Uefa Financial Fair Play - should be interesting with every club in the premiership. la liga, and Italy all in mega debt. Wonder how they'll police that then? as well as stop 'sugar daddy's' financing everything, without the income to balance the books?

bill72

30 Apr 2012 00:12:17
Ok some of the rumours on here say David Murray will come forward and buy Rangers back if liquidation happens. Anybody think this could happen?

If he does he will no longer get my money or support.

1) His businesses are in debt to the bank to about the tune of £800m. Even if he had money to help Rangers would the bank allow it?

Don't think has has any spare dosh these days. His companies' debts now far exceed those of Rangers when he "sold" the club.