Rangers Banter Archive March 02 2012

02 Mar 2012 23:01:01
I'll lay my cards on the table I'm a celtic fan who'sfriends are mostly rangers fans. I see n your site you're talking about consortiums and what not to save rangers. I can't believe none of you are furious about the shady and illegal practices which have dragged your club into the gutter. When celtic where being robbed of there heritage and digntity we pulled or heads from the sand and fought for the club we belong to. Its time the Rangers fans fought back, stop believing the pish. Craig s**te will neverr solve the problems and david murray was no the man he potrayed. Buy rangers yourselves and stop pissing about

02 Mar 2012 22:54:33
F*k Ticketus ..... they don't deserve a penny back.

If they hadn't put £24m in Shyte's account before he owned the club, he'd never have got control of the club in the first place.

Ticketus are culpable for this disastrous mess to a large degree !

Other guilty parties are SDM, Lloyds, Colliers & Brystow, Duff & Phelps to one degree or another, as well as the dispicable wee Shyte !

There is one company at fault and that is Rangers FC. Full stop.

Have Ticketus done anything wrong legally? If not, how can you blame the company - it's a business and its prime function is to make profit. It's not the fault of Ticketus that Rangers is in this mess.

1903

02 Mar 2012 21:42:43
Some simple maths - Players wage bill 21M per year = 1.75M a month. 404K per week. (this figure was reported in September. Since then Jelavic, McKay, McMillan, Fleck, Hutton and Ortiz have left (Approx 40K per week in total) New total 364K per week.
And we still have to save 1M a month to survive to the end of the season.
In order to save the club and if the administrators DID have Rangers interests at heart then these decisions would have been made in the first week:
The first team squad should have been cut in the first few days of administration. In my opinion a squad of 20 players should have been left. Reduction of 7 from first team squad.
Pay scale should have been put in place.
Maximum wage 12K per week. Only top 5 players to earn this. 8 players on top earnings of 8K per week. Then remaining squad on £5K per week. New Player wages would then be 159K per week. If players dont accept this then leave, the club is bigger than these players.
Even if this original total figure included reserve, under 19's and under 17's teams, these squads would just have be reduced to again maximum of 20 per squad, Surely the no-one in the reserves earns more than 1K a week (Total for youth and reserve players would be max 40K)
The new TOTAL player wage would be £199K per month. This would save
Im sure Ally McCoist and his staff (11 in total for first team)would ALL at least reduce their salaries by 50% Approx saving of £35K per week.
New total saving PER WEEK would be £200K.
Then we would only be looking for £50K cuts elsewhere. Which i'm sure with smaller cuts across the other departments could be found in a matter of days.
If this had been done two weeks ago we would already be at least £400K better off.
I'm a Season Ticket holder and would gladly accept these drastic changes as I just want the club to survive, who cares if we don't finish second I just want to see us in the league next season. Right now the chances of that are becoming increasingly unlikely with every day that passes.
Billy Dale Bear

At last a bear who is talking sense and realising the state your club is really in.....Stevie

The admin team have been at it.dundee admin; day 1..9 players released and 2 managers......who are they working for?....green jhedi

Don't be a muppet Steve, we all know how bad things are and to be honest have done so for some time. We too can access blogs and read papers, re the original post , yep good point but I suspect that is not part of the " big picture" ie liquidation. The big difference is our hopes and dreams and their business case, sadly never the twain shall meet

With this much spotlight jehdi duff sn phelps can't risk it man, they will get the jail
PaulRFC

Un-named poster wow thats deep ........Stevie

@Paulrfc;i see that point mate,but i think they are in it with whyte and slowing things down helps no one but whyte.all the other stuff,two contracts etc,might have scared them into action and thats gotta be good for the fans...........green jhedi

Go back to the very first press conference the admin had, Menzies Corporate Restructuring was brought into Ibrox last year,MCR was taken over by Duff and Phelps. this was planned atleast 6 weeks before whyte was forced to put us into admin.

When craig whyte took over he said in one of the papers that the maximun wage rangers could afford to pay was £7000 per week . sorry i can't remember what paper it was in but i definiely read that . billybhoy

02 Mar 2012 20:58:33
Do you all remember this

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/299498-craig-whyte-claims-missing-money-is-still-with-rangers-as-he-breaks-his-silence/

it wasn't even that long ago! YET AGAIN THAT MAN LIES TO US! If all the money was with rangers, why have the Administrators gone to court to get money off his solicitors! Every thing that comes out that mans mouth is now being contradicted a week or two later. What a joke of a man!

aWb

02 Mar 2012 20:34:28
admin have knocked back the players idea off wage deferal , well because it is against the law for the admin company too put rengers in more det , if this was agreed too then the players that asked for deferal off wages would then be owed money by rangers , this is not looking good if the players do not take a wage cut with nothing owed too them at the end then we are going out off business {Ed001's Note - so how come Pompey players were able to defer their wages while in admin?}

Good question edd , the answer is that there club was not being chased by everybody on the planet , they went into admin because they had no money too operate week too week , rangers are the same but with heavy dets hanging over us {Ed001's Note - ok cheers, though the situation has changed there since. Looks like the English league will be losing Oxford, Port Vale and Portsmouth in the next few months, with more likely to follow the way it is going.}

02 Mar 2012 20:30:27
If the old board played fair this c**p would not be happening

Think this is about the most sensible post I've seen. Very short post, but sums everything up perfectly.

Adams, typical example, happy to sit and take cash for doing zilch, then unhappy no cash coming in and no more being big shot, so lets be big man again and get my name in newspapers.

To the guy who said:

"Adams, typical example, happy to sit and take cash for doing zilch, then unhappy no cash coming in and no more being big shot, so lets be big man again and get my name in newspapers."

This is a typical comment from a Rangers supporter. Adam resigned from the board because he disagreed with Murray's policies and has been proven correct. It is those who remained on the board as Murray's stoogies that are the ones who should be criticised. You've got your criticism the wrong way around.

Adam warned Rangers fans 10 years ago and was shot down in flames. He is now telling the truth again, and you want it swept under the carpet.

You and your team are a perfect match for one another.

02 Mar 2012 20:00:04
Rangers players ask for a wage referral the administration knocked it back looks like liquidation

Ed why would the admin knock that back mate? {Ed001's Note - I doubt they would, I don't think that story has any legs unless they asked for repayment with interest.}

They administration can't run the club with more debt at the end of the season they have to run it in profit that's why it was knocked back

02 Mar 2012 19:44:43
I don't mean to be cruel or hitting at the wrong people but why do we still have all of our scouts on board? We are under a transfer embargo & we should only be looking at young talent within the uk for future signings so we should have a minimum amount.

Also why do we need something like 22 PR staff? Can this number not be cut as do we really need 22 with all the publicity we are getting whether it be good or bad?

The ticket office also has 20 in it could the PR & ticket office not be rolled into one?

One final point if the current players wage bill is just over £2m per month then surely a 50% pay cut across the board would save the £1m that is required without players having to go?

If we can get the running costs down to an affordable level then the prospect of someone coming in and taking over is more realistic. The only problem I have is that I don't trust Whyte to step back and let someone come in and takeover without him being paid for his shares, and with money now being seized from his accounts this may make him stand firm until he gets what he wants.
Hopefully not!

The Pilot!

That is only a sticking plaster of a solution.

@The Pilot!;All makes sense mate.As an outsider i think this is being played exactly how whyte wants it.Administrators are supposed to make the decisions regarding sackings not mccoist.Why are they taking so long? to get to a position where liquidation is the only door left to open? As you say,these dept's seem to be overstaffed,so why let it eat into running costs? I think you might be paying the cost of whyte getting his own administrators in place. Who knows what Duff & phelps will bill at the end of this? Heres hoping,for the decent fans sake,whyte gets ousted sooner rather than later.Like you i got a feeling he might dig his heels in.good luck..........green jhedi

Jehdi do you think duff an phelps would risk probably been shut down to help whyte (mind you suppose they would have no problem liquidating themselves an starting a newco)
PaulRFC

@green Jhedi. Also heard a rumour that Dave King approached the administrators but was left feeling that they were a shambles. Is this another ploy to put potential bidders out of the picture leaving the only option as the Whyte knight to ride in and start a new team/company before sailing off with millions in his back pocket?

Also heard that the administrators are charging £60 per person per hour and they have either 8 or 10 dealing with Rangers. The longer it goes the more they make.

The only positive I can take from today's statement is that at least we now know a figure that is required each month to keep the club going.

Even tougher times ahead.

The Pilot!

Pilot its the admin fees range from 250/750 per hour


TB

The Pilot.

The administrator basically charges a fee for their services, but you are right, included within that fee is of course the hourly rate of the administrators. The two main guys do not charge out at £60 per hour, it is around £500 per hour.

Their monthly fee will be around £350k per month.

@Paulrfc; i think they know just how to operate the right side of the law like whyte.the link between them,octopus and whyte looks a bit dodgy.who can prove what they are doing? more convinced than ever whyte thought getting rid of the debt would make the fans love him,he never took into account fans not going for liquidation.@ The Pilot; lets put it this way,i dont see them being overly helpfull to any potential buyers as whyte wants back in.how much is the admin team costing? hotels,meals and expenses x 10= a scary amount.true you now know a figure but wheres the cuts coming from? 1m per month? how? why so long to reach that figure?its a fixed amount,wages being the biggie,thats what they come up with after TWO WEEKS! just dznt fit mate...........green jhedi

Think also the backroom staff needs dramatically cut. Read somewhere that there is 19 staff to look after the first team and under 19s. surely that can be cut. Even for the players to warm up for a game there is 5 coaches to the park.

£350k per month for the administrators? No wonder they were desperate to get the job!

Basically cut the wages by £650k a month and get rid of the administrators!!

£1m saved.

Now for the £15m PAYE & VAT, then the wee tax bill, then the big tax bill & then for all the other s**t that's going to crop up.

If I'm honest I think I could do a good job running the club, now I just need to tap my maw a tenner and I can offer Craigie boy 10x his dough!!

The Pilot!

02 Mar 2012 19:24:29
here ed wee pat hear breakin news thit big waltur smiff wiz arrestit fur smuglin 2 young undur 18's oot ae murie perk,n a buggy' tae stoap thum bein selt aff thru DUFF N DUFFUR
did ye no see the foties in the sun this mournin? iz proof
n iz ye no if its in the sun it MUST be true!
ye coodnae make it up ed ma sun(scuse the pun)

02 Mar 2012 19:18:30
If we need to save 1mil per mth why get rid of
11players and other staff ? Why not one high earner I.e whitts and one other player sacrifice 2 to save many
Big B

Are u stupid or somthing for 2 players to be on 1m a month between them thay would have two be on about 125,000 a week each. i would laugh if i didnt find that post so crazzy

02 Mar 2012 18:52:37
weather its a team full of professionals or a team full of young boys RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB must survive just think how these young guys would feel running out at IBROX knowing a crowd of 50,000 watching them keep the good name of the club alive win or lose, if the first team guys go so what the league ts over anyway the name of GLASGOW RANGERS must survive.

The name Glasgow Rangers doesn't officially exist.

Does among the GLASGOW RANGERS SUPPORTERS.

What is Glasgow Rangers? Is it a newco?

02 Mar 2012 18:47:27
The administrators have been a bit naughty in not clarifying how the £3.6m they are attempting to seize from Craig Whyte will affect the cash shortfall of £4.5m for the rest of the season.

There appear to be three scenarios:

1. This will reduce the cash shortfall to only £900k.

2. The administrators have already anticipated receiving this £3.6m and have included it's receipt in the projected shortfall. Rangers DO receive the £3.6m and the shortfall remains at £4.5m

3. The administrators have already anticipated receiving this £3.6m and have included it's receipt in the projected shortfall. Rangers DO NOT receive the £3.6m and the shortfall increases to £8.1m.

Good post mate I hope it's no 3

The BBC reported an option of a 75% wage cut across the board with no redundancies was discussed on Thursday in the first formal meeting between the union and Duff and Phelps. Assuming a wage bill of £1.75M for players a month that's a saving of £1.3M a month or over 3 months almost £4M so scenario 2 sounds most likely. Also the delays in any announcement indicate the cuts need to be severe.

02 Mar 2012 18:33:15
Ok correct me if am wrong administrators say we need 1 million a month with my accounts Whyte has had our great club 9 months so that mite explain where the 9 million of tax money he used to keep the club going so he has not put a penny into rangers were is jelivic money were is the 25 million he said he used of his own money now we are told administers have a court order to get 3.6 million of his lawyers plus we can't touch it till the courts are happy that's it is rangers money this guy thinks he is a con man he has been caught out with everything he had done hope the a**ehole is happy brought our great club to it's knees sooner he's away the better ... Kenny bluenose

02 Mar 2012 18:17:35
Can't understand the administrator's decisions.

They say there is a £4.5m shortfall in cash between now and the end of the season, and they need to make savings to offset this.

I cannot understand why redundancies have not yet been made.

I believe Rangers staff are paid around the middle of the month. Salaries are paid in ARREARS. This means that the longer this drags on with no redundancies being made, the more Rangers will have to pay out in salaries around 15th / 16th March.

The administrator's also need to clarify whether the £4.5m shortfall is calulated on the basis of Rangers being succesfull or unsuccessfull in securing the £3.6m from Whyte's Collyer Bristow Client account (now frozen and held by the administrator's solicitors).

02 Mar 2012 18:07:19
The administrator's statement has just told us ................. eh, nothing that we don't alreday know.

02 Mar 2012 17:58:52
The £4.5 million shortfall that the administrators have said need to be filled, if they get the money in from the lawyers account in theory does that mean it is then £900 000?

Gers1986

It's seems unclear, if it is only £900k surely that is achievable, but is it £4.5m after the 3.6m , help

4.5M is what is needed to keep the club running as is for the season, there is still the creditors who are the administrators top priority (as is the law) any money found will be used to try and agree a CVA so to avoid liquidation not for the running of the club

02 Mar 2012 17:43:39
This is ridiculous i no but I'm getting desperate, why don't we fast track a new top to be released (I would say next seasons top but won't for reasons obvious)I would guess they are money makers! Save your wise cracks an digs I've already thought of most of them, I actually think whyte and Murray may have collapsed all my rational thoughts
PaulRFC

For a start we might not be here next season and 2nd we dont know who will make the strips as umbro deal runs out suprised u dont know the since ur the no1 fan so do we just design our own strip ???


TB

"no1 fan" aye classic mate, you just never have anything positive to say do ya? "ally will never be a manager... Blah blah" your full of it man! Don't even no why I'm giving ya the time of day,jog on!
PaulRFC

Paul, shirt sales don't bring in as much as people think. The clubs don't see much money at all from them.

1903

I did say I was desperate... Atleast I am trying to look for a positive, unlike some
PaulRFC

So paul no1 fan rfc i am not allowed to have an opinion on the manager not being up to the job ???

get a grip ya nutter i have as much right as u so toddle on


TB

02 Mar 2012 17:18:25
Don't have any relatives in the know, haven't had lunch with any lawyers or accountants. Don't know any of the players or coaching staff, in effect like most of the bloggers and journos and posters on here I know as much as they do, nought.

Thats the most pointless post ever well done


TB

You'd know all about pointless posts, eh, TB? ;)

02 Mar 2012 17:13:16
Guess WHO?
SDM sold RFC for £1.00.
EBT had SDM blessing.
AM lost 15pts
HMRC want their TAX and PAYE
BBC broke with CW news.
CW blames SDM and has no funds.
HMRC said RFC & CW should pay up.
SDM walked away.
CW ran away.
RFC are skint.
D&H are making a fortune.
UEFA need to investigate.
SFA need to cover up.

Did i miss anyone...lets add the
rest I am sure there room for IC&J ?

Whos D&H?
Have we lost the EBT case?
Oh and UEFA are to busy dealing with Celtic!

Keep on dreaming
WATP

Gers1986

Dealing with Celtic?

02 Mar 2012 17:09:25
More football talk, twice in a day on this site, seems a bit strange eh?
Obviously it's been a disappointing season but it won't be long until the player of the year awards. Who does everyone think will get them. There is fans player of the year, players player of the year and young player of the year, also goal of the season available.
I know a lot will disagree but I'd vote for Edu, he has hardly missed a game and IMO improved a lot this year. Players player possibly will be Bocanegra, young player has to be Perry and goal of the season for me is Naismith's outside of the boot volley against Celtic.

GovanFR

Naismith should get all awards because since he got injuried we have been garbage, only reason edu played all the games in cause we had no one else.

Ally wont get manager of the year anyway an none of our players deserve to be mentioned in any of the players of the year


TB

@TB, Rangers run their own awards so there is no manager of the year and players have to win the awards. You should read things properly first.

GovanFR

Well no1 in the team has been good enough to win any of the gers awards this year infact govan guy we ave alot more to worry about than awards ffs are u for real ??


TB

02 Mar 2012 16:42:45
i thought the pantomime season ended in january?

Oh no it doesn't

Oh yes it does

02 Mar 2012 16:09:10
this is a joke now when are they going to break the silence . this waiting is murder what is it keeping the decision now.

Agree. Just want to know, whatever the outcome is.

02 Mar 2012 15:59:01
Craig Whyte
There is no missing millions "
Every penny is in Rangers Account "

Oh so that is why the administrators
have requested a court order to seize
£3.6 m from your lawyers account
ya lying toe rag ! ...

This is probably the first installment
from Everton for Jelavic.

The lies just keep coming and coming

They never stopped!

02 Mar 2012 15:50:27
my mate just sold £12s worth of pre 1947 florins and shillings for £187,with the price of silver our trophy room must be worth a fortune

Surely you are not suggesting we sell the silver in the trophy room, this is a CW idea, are you CW

02 Mar 2012 14:55:20
Ed or anyone else can you answer me this??

With the proposed wage cuts of 50%/75% on the table to players, does this apply to all players at the club? I ask this because for talking sake if a young lad like Hemmings is on 1k a week and Whittaker is on 25k, if all agree to take the 75% wage cut Hemmings would walk away with £250 a week, Whittaker £6250 a week.....I would find this astonishing!!

As for big McCulloch, if reports are true and he's offered to play for nothing then i applaud the big man for that. Hope all the players unite to prevent redundances.

J1985 {Ed001's Note - that is what they are negotiating over now, who gets what pay cut, for the same reasons you pointed out.}

Remember the tax and ni still to come off that.i would think their agents will be all over that

The wage cut only applies to players that earn over £3000 per week meaning that hemmings would still be on £1000 a week

Will you applaud the players who are threatning to sue rfc,yes thats rite,sue there own club over wages,loyal?????

02 Mar 2012 14:29:18
Hi to my fellow Gers fans,just really wondering what else has still to be unearthed at our club, EBT potential debt. The small tax case. Possible duplicate registrations.No paye or vat paid in past 9 months by this bandit CW and now we have a ex director from years ago spouting forth about non declared payments to some players.
What exactly has been going on at Rangers over the past years? and just how many people are actually
responsible for WHAT IS A COMPLETE SHAMBLES
It really borders on unbelievable that the people responsible for the running of this club,who in effect are the custodians of this organisation could actually allow all of this to actaully happen,so in reality just how many of those who are guilty are Crooks and how many are Thick.
Time to name and shame all those responsible no matter who they are,even if it means we start again from scratch.

Well said m8,as the shambles that is RFC,is becoming murkier every passing day..now we have ex director spilling the beans,so for all the crap about tainted title,lets see how many titles were actually tainted..uefa be keeping close eye on all this& the sfa could crumble,when truth comes out& for years us celtic fans were paranois,bringing more shame on scottish football every day!!!& all this before taxmans verdict

It's a sh1te state of affairs right enough, no denying. Without being specific though, I'm sure if you dug deep into most clubs financial dealings over the years there would be many similar findings. It's just that Rangers are being highlighted at the moment.

So your saying because your club did it and was run poorly that other clubs have to have done the same? with the special treatment your club has got from spl higher ups they would have caught those clubs to help yous..... stop thinking that everyone acts like your club does because most people/clubs like to run by the rules and hope for fair play... get head out of the sand and just accept your club cheated spl and you supporters because your history is now tainted worse then italy league!

This unfortunately has smeared Rangers Football club. However the club has been run well for the best part of it's 140 year history. The current situation is down to several unscrupulous individuals under SDM's tenure,including the "Mint" Guys like Struth,Waddell, and Wallace will be turning in their graves. god rest them.

Pots and kettles Kelly's and your own wee White ring a bell. No selective memory or what.the guy is only pointing out All teams are not squeaky clean

02 Mar 2012 12:27:02
Ed I was wondering if you can tell me mate I'm willing to give the team money out my own back pocket I was wondering if you can tell me how I would be able to get in touch with rangers to give them it cherrs mate WATP {Ed001's Note - the only way you could really do this is to donate to a supporters trust. Giving it to the club direct would just lead to gift tax being payable. The other option is to spend the money on club merchandise from the club store itself.}

02 Mar 2012 12:02:33
Time to cut our Loses fellow bears take liquidation tell the SPL to shove it (assuming they invite us to stay in spl) start afresh in div 3 spread some of our cash around the lower division for 2 or 3 years and see the rest of the spl budget without Rangers fans cash or tv deal cash.

or better still move heaven and earth to get into the English lower leagues and sit back and watch Scottish football implode.

think about it fellow bears scottish Div 3 after 3/4 years we would be back playing the likes of Dundee utd, hibs St Mirren and of course Celtic or 4/5 years down the line we could be playing the likes of Chelsea Man U, Man City etc even the championship is better than the SPL even while we are trying to rise up the English Leagues im sure we would be capable of reaching the latter stages of the F A cup etc meaning a glamorous tie against Englands elite


Highland Bear

Take your head out your ar8e. what money will rangers have in the 3rd division? would they be full time or part time players playing for you? who says it will be that easy to get back to the SPL in 3 seasons? as for going to the English league your just dreaming. you seem to think its everyone else's fault that your in this position.

dd

Dream on.starting point would be at best conference premier.what sort of player could be attracted? how much season tickets? no europe for years,and how many at ibrox for home games? after this mornings new stuff will rangers even get a licence?

Higland Bear you really need to take a step back and think about what you post. Everything you post is bitter or idiotic. What money are you going to throw around in the lower leagues. If you start afresh you have a stadium to buy/rent (money) new players to buy(money) non playing staff to pay (money).

So what is left to throw around. Really please take a good look at yourself and think before you type.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay their creditors 10p)

Listen mate I will do anything to stay in Scotland ! Do you not care about your national team? England DO NOT want rangers and celtic can people just not accept this!
PaulRFC

Never going to happen, any move south into a new league would have to be ratified by UEFA AND THEY WILL NOT OR EVER GIVE PERMISSION FOR FOR THIS.

It wouldn't be a move as rangers 2012 are not in a league to move from! Slight difference!

If I were a Rangers fan I think that is the option I would go for too (or SFL dvision1) Rangers even playing youth team should be able to rip oup the third and lets face it fans love winning, even in the third. This also give you time to build up cash and player staff. You cant play in Europe for 3 years anyway and playing teams down there like Morton Ardrie Raith Rovers, Ayr United, Dundee and PArtic thistle, might not be as bad as you think.

Sensible post (except the sh*te about moving to England.

David

02 Mar 2012 11:22:04
This mess our club find's itself in are the making's of all that has had any connection with the running of the club in the past 15 years give or take. They all should be held wholey accountable for dragging this once great institution to it's knees.

I'm affraid that i believe the game is up. We will go into liquidation in my opinion soon. The gauling thing about that scenario is that this character Whyte will be able to sell of all our assets and keep the money for himself after only putting £1 into our club. I hope he never sets foot in Ibrox again.

Billy

Billy, if that were to happen, I think he might lose more than his pound...
BB

02 Mar 2012 11:38:22
do you believe david murray should be stripped of his knighthood (if tax case is lost) col.

Why just if the tax case is lost, strange remark.

He didn't get his knighthood due to football it was for charity work he done in the late 90s so would be wrong to take it off him

Willie

02 Mar 2012 10:44:31
If any of what Hugh Adams is saying in this mornings mail is true I am very much afraid we are finished. According to Adams the club(Murray) has been paying overseas players using EBT's since the mid nineties, without the SFA & the SPL knowledge. The ramifications for the club, and the clubs historic 9 in a row are massive.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/teampages/rangers.html

Rubbish the SFA changed to rules to declare everything in 2008/09, was reported yesterday, so it shouldn't effect that at all

Sorry my mistake it was 2005 so 9iar would not be effected

So it was ok to CHEAT after 2005 then as long as the tainted 9 in a row isn,t affected, have a look at yerself! Killie fan!

02 Mar 2012 10:27:42
if liquidation happens, rangers (in administration) WONT get into english football.
only dwindling crowds in the english league and then a majority vote by chairmen down south would allow this
in short, dream on.

frankiebhoy

Like I have said, I have no idea about the technical yes or no's about us going to England, in fact I'm not sure I like the idea. We are a Scottish club in my mind. But to claim the lower league teams would not be keen, in my opinion, is boll*x. The interest would be HUGE. Big name from Scotland starting over down there would attract bigger crowds and TV interest. Like I say, don't even know if it could get off the ground, but it would be interesting...
BB

The FA dont control the conference leagues so am sure they would love to have us. And if we did apply and were refued we would take it to court as they cant stop a newly formed club. so sshhhhh
Don {Ed001's Note - the FA do control the Conference Leagues, it is the Football League that doesn't. Please understand it is unlikely that Rangers would be welcomed in England, there would be little to gain for the clubs already there. Still, stranger things have happened.}

You can take over an ailing club and rename them, mk dons etc. this was touted on this site last year and would be an option for a newco, Plenty Of clubs suffering financially in the lower English divs. Orient are a prime example, Barry Hearns looking to sell. So NOT impossible

I for one would always want to play in a scottish league.Quick one for you Ed. is there anything to restrict a club in the English Leagues changing there name or where they play out off. {Ed001's Note - only getting an agreement from the FA, remember the trouble MK Dons had? It is not an easy process as the FA has no desire to see English football become like American sports with franchises moving around the country.}

Frankiebhoy - if liquidation happens Rangers wont be in administration. Rangers wont be there.
Your lot will be trying to get into the EPL as soon as. When Wimbledon went apparently your Desmond Demond was sniffing about back then to try and get you in.
Dream on?
Iam Legend

02 Mar 2012 10:20:11
If the claims in todays Daily Mail by former Ranger Director, Hugh Adam are taken seriously this could get very protracted and messy. Its going to very difficult for the SFA/SPL to allow a new Rangers into the SPL should liquidation happen. Therefor Rangers must find a buyer or I would assume division 3 is inevitable. {Ed001's Note - any new Rangers would have no issues left over from the current one, no matter how protracted or messy.}

Can you answer 1 question for me please why would a new co have no chance of getting into the SPL new club no history no nothing so why would they have a problem. If you come out of administration (I hope you do) then if this is correct you really will be in trouble for any breach of rules.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay their creditors 10p)

Ed it could if there was further involvement by any of the current and former board members in a new Rangers. The new club would have to apply for registration to either SFA or SPL im not sure this will be as straightforward if these people were involved. {Ed001's Note - it depends, they might well be banned from involvement in football, if the latest allegations are true.}

02 Mar 2012 10:00:32
ref

Im pretty sure our sympathy was not intended for you two losers.to the decent gers;good luck guys with these two plonkers you might need it............green jhedi


keep your false sympathy mate you may think im a plonker that's your prerogative but one thing you can not accuse me of is being a hypocrite i have a dislike for all things Celtic, i support Glasgow Rangers and anyone who is playing Celtic (except St Mirren) i love going to OF games when we pump you it makes my week when we get pumped by you it spoils my month, although i detest your club, life without it as a rangers Fan would be so boring i would never want to play in a Scottish League without Celtic, unlike that half wit Lawwell im not just interested in dominating Scottish football regardless of the quality of opposition i am more interested in dominating Glasgow Celtic. i have now shown you how i feel about your club and i wont sway from that you wont find me on the Celtic Pages wishing you well when it is clear that it is not sincere in fact you wont find me on there at all. A PLONKER I MAY BE BUT A HYPOCRITE I AM NOT.


Highland Bear

Highland Bear I will not give you 1 ounce of sympathy people like you and oranjeboom do not deserve sympathy. The sympathy that has been give out over the last few days are for the players staff and genuine fans. Not the moronic fools that give your club a bad name.

So to all players staff and genuine supportors of Rangers I feel for you in your time of need. I remember how I felt in the 90's when Celtic were on the way out.

Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay their creditors 10p)

Bet you wish you had had a half-wit like Lawwell running Rangers for the last wee while?

Your posts reek of bitterness and hatred: you're ungracious and have little respect. People come on here to give sympathy, stating that they shouldn't gloat now it's so serious and you don't have the decency to accept it at face value.

You're a disgrace to decent Rangers fans.

1903

@highland bear;You must be stupid or very bigoted to think my posts were hypocritical.Players being made redundant i have very little sympathy for(except the younger ones who hopefully will find another club)as they will be free to negotiate a new deal with another signing on fee.My sympathy was aimed at the day to day workers,counter staff,cleaners et al.The post you seem to be fixating on was done BEFORE the cull was announced. Of course i wanted us to make life as difficult as possible for rangers,thats our job,but watch innocent people lose jobs? not a chance.Like you i detest rangers due in no small part to the sectarianism that you seem to feed on,your hidden bigotry comes forth with your month being spoiled by a defeat from celtic.Dont you have a real life? rangers beat celtic i meet all my mates(from both sides)take the slagging,and then move on with our lives.life without rangers would not affect me in any way as your club means nothing to me.As a human being,i will feel sympathy,in most cases,for anybody losing their job and that was the crux of my post.Rangers fans i know,know me,and thats why i know your wrong,im comfortable with that.I showed your posts to a guy i employ(gers fan) and even he questioned why you cannot understand my point. So goodbye,and prepare to write off april as i have a feeling it might be ruined.And again to decent gers fans,good luck in getting whyte out..............green jhedi

02 Mar 2012 09:44:15
So Whyte says he's coming back aye right
More chance of me getting bolts of lighting out ma arse for what he has done guy must have a death wish what do you think ed ... Kenny bluenose {Ed001's Note - you need him to sort things out, he needs to be there and dealing with the issues, like getting the money from his solicitors. About time people took a deep breath and just calmed down. Getting angry will help no one.}

02 Mar 2012 09:28:51
Ed after what has happened with Dunfermline and the way the club are not putting Rangers down. I think we should all put a couple of pound each in to an account and sent it to Dunfermline to make up the short fall. This will also show the rest of Scottish football that we fans do care. {Ed001's Note - that's a good idea.}

Thats a brilliant idea....what about Dundee United and Hearts.

It's to help them pay the players the wages the are waiting on. As for dundee utd i would not give them a penny.

Yes agree it's a shame that some sort off collection at home games could not be forwarded firstly to Dunfermline, or have some of their committee , board , youth players collecting, don't know how it's logistically possible, but Dunfermline could do with a hand and I would throw a fiver in a collection bucket inside ibrox. As for Dundee united, do the same at our home games for the rest of the season to recompense the Scottish teams we have put in this position, I know united have been screaming about it but it wouldn't do any harm to the supporters image to try our best. Who knows it might buy some much needed goodwill towards us at this time.

02 Mar 2012 09:17:23
Surely they are not going to announce any employee of Rangers whether staff or players are to be made redundant today ! The day before an important match !!

02 Mar 2012 09:04:28
why do anyone of us listen to the daily record jim traynor and co love to stir up hatred between the old firm and then report the fall out as sensational sectarian bigitory the latest one is mind boggling there was a verbal agreement with craig whyte to pay 300000 early and celtic are to blame now for the job losses craig is telling the truth about this verbal agreement but jim and co would have you believe he is a lying little s**t in every other matter why do they believe this one thing easy it will cause trouble at old firm game and they can use rangers fans reactions to bash us over the head a small riot some sectarian singing or better a death or two out of this and they can pat each other on the backs at the increased paper sales it inevitably results in

02 Mar 2012 08:25:53
Ed, can you shed any light on why Whytes lawyers are refusing to hand over the Ticketus cash. Surely this belongs to Rangers. {Ed001's Note - they will only be acting on orders from their client. The club will probably have to take court action to get the money.}

02 Mar 2012 08:00:33
We need a Fergus McCann!

Celtic were saved from going out of business at the 11th hour by McCann.

We are at 11:55! Where are all the businessmen with money or the "superstars" who claim to be Rangers fans?

Surely there is someone out there (with Money!)
who has as much love and passion for Rangers as the fans do?

We need a figurehead .. Smith or Souness to bring like minded individuals to come together as a group and save Glasgow Rangers.

140 years of history at stake!

Forget all this talk about re-forming and "we'll always be Rangers". The history books for generations to come that we ceased to exist in 2012 and the most successful club in the world will be no more.

Timmy will love it .. all their Christmasses rolled into one!

If I had the money .. I'd do it myself.

PLEASE .. SOMEONE OUT THERE ... STEP UP!

No chance mate people with that sort of money will not risk putting it in to Rangers.

I love the thought of that but to be honest, while there is the chance of ANY new owner being stung for the £50 - £100 mill tax bill, it aint gonna happen! I don't pretend to have a clue about the in's and out's of whats going on but I do know this, the longer it rolls on the worse the outcome will be! We need it sorted NOW! Good or bad let's draw a line under it and get the recovery started. At least if you know what your faced with you can start to deal with it...
BB

02 Mar 2012 06:55:05
I'm not religious, but the one thing I believe in without fail is my devotion to Rangers. I'm not a Rangers fan or supporter, I'm a Rangers man. Big difference! In other words the mighty Gers are part of me till I die. No matter what comes next I ain't ever walking away!!

Well thats cleared everything up!

Well said big fella!
I wont lie, I'm at the point where I just want a decision! How much are we due? When do we pay it? Let's get intae it and start re-building...!
BB

02 Mar 2012 02:08:47
Ed just been on the timmy page, first time, there ed has it easy compared to you ! There are often up to SIX hours between posts man! Two things explain this, 1- they have no banter, 2- they are all on our page... I hope you are better paid than their ed... Also it is CLEARLY obvious you have the better banter!
Ed001= top of premier league
Ed007=vauxall conference ;) {Ed001's Note - better paid? 007 doesn't get paid at all! He does it for free, as do all the editors. Mind you are only seeing first posts, replies could be minutes apart but they have no time stamps. I am not going to disagree with the ranking, but then he is a lot older than me, you know how the elderly get grumpy, you only have to read 025 and 003's replies to see that!!}

Thats because every post on here is a Rangers fan moaning about the state Mr Whyte & Murray have put their club in! With quite a lot of justification i have to say

The Celtic fans are content with their lot right now, heading for a treble with a well run proffessional organisation living within their means(i.e paying tax)

Nothing to moan about.

PS: While i have little sympathy for the mess Rangers find that they are in, i have a lot of sympathy for the normal staff (ie admin, cleaners, counter staff) who will lose their jobs today.

If fans organise some sort of collection for these people i would be happy to contribute(as long as it dosent go straight into your owners pocket!)

Celtic Fan

02 Mar 2012 01:00:59
It's all over now years of cheating admitted by Hugh Adam rangers director. (from Daily Mail)


"Rangers stand accused of failing to properly register players after a former director revealed secretive payments had been consistently excluded from contracts lodged with the SFA."

Looks like fielding ineligible players over a period of possibly twenty years will have to be investigated by SFA, SPL and Uefa. It is likely that all games in which these players participated will be awarded to opponents. This can only lead to a stripping of titles

4 weeks ago i would have laughed at this story, but every day new revelations come to light, nothing would surprise me now!

02 Mar 2012 00:12:34
Hope the rumour about edu is true about the French club back into buy him the guy is hopelsss.