Rangers Banter Archive February 02 2012

02 Feb 2012 23:29:14
Well my little Bear friends, how are you all today? Still suffering a Jellyfish hangover? Don't worry....you've always got David Healy!! lol

HAIL HAIL
ChrisBhoy

He is still better than Samaras.

Did we look bothered when we were hammering hubs with out him? A wasn't a was in the singing section at ibrox lovin it mate haha so yer wee joke was p*sh.

Yes and you have Murphy, Samaras Rasmusenand Bangura all sucking big money out your club - If your so well off, why did your Billionaire owner take a Mortgage out on Lennoxtown...

Pete

Pete we also have Stokes, Hooper and Forrest banging in the goals! And now we have Brozek too, remember him?

We have money to be sucked out of the club, do you's?

DazzaBhoy

@pete: the mortgage was taken out to pay other costs,what ppl like you have to remember is we have a loan facility in place.rangers have no credit line.you any idea how hard it is to run a buisness without one?

02 Feb 2012 22:58:36
team till injuries have cleared up

....................mcgregor...........................
bartley........goian.......bocanegra...papac

davis edu
aluko wallace
mervan

healy
*ksd*

That team would beat septic at ibrox next game. macGER

Why we worrying beating Celtic wtf one game at a time utd first etc . Then after this hopefully big laff can get back fit and pumped up

MacGER that team would struggle to beat St Mirren or Killie, and they certainly won't beat us!

Hail hail

DazzaBhoy

@macger; why are you worried about a team to beat celtic? thats weeks away you mug.

02 Feb 2012 22:13:55
team until all the injuries are cleared up -

McGregor

Bartley
Goian
Bocanegra
Papac

Celik
Edu
Davis
McKay / Bedoya

Aluko
Healy

Subs
Alexander
Bedoya/McKay
Little
McCabe
Kerkar
Perry
Wallace

Don't see why this lot can't cope with most of the SPL teams. Remember the old firm games will be the usual lottery they always are so we still have a chance.
c'mon the Gers - lets get behind the team and be POSITIVE

Wee Bill

That same lot plus 10 others lost a 15 point lead to Celtic.

And Wallace wldnt be on the bench. Do you even check the line ups?

That wont be the team mccoist will pick he will probably go with
mcgregor
bartley
goian
boccanegra
papac

celik/aluko
davis
edu
wallace/wylde

celik/aluko
healy

I think he should give celik and aluko free roles with one of them going onto right midfield at times and he will play wylde for a bit of pace

Was thinking of more
gregs.
wallace - boc- goian - papac
Davis - edu - mckay - aluko
Celik - Healy
Reason aluko on him natural side, davis back out on the wing where out of possition but had some of his best games there, unlike aluko celik has more physical presance and more suited to healy to play off him. but again just my opinion lads.
TODD88

TODD - are you related to McCoist

You cannot play wallace at right back he is all left foot, aluko is more effective on the right, and celik prefers the left side

JG

02 Feb 2012 22:25:26
I can't for the life of me understand how naive some Gers fans still are.

We sold Jelavic on the last day. We never bought anyone to replace him. Brought in a youngster for approx £300,000 from money we saved by loaning half our team out.

There is serious underlying problems at Ibrox and unfortunately very few people actually know what the root of this cause is.

We were trumped by Hibs in gaining a player. We are the laughing stock of two transfers windows, after Goodwillie, Holt, Jaager, need I must go on...

We were put out of two European competitions by European Minnows, who probably could pay there whole team with MacGregor's salary.

We are on the verge of collapse with a tax case with the Government. Together with foggy accounts and numerous stories that would scare any accountant.

We have a board that appear to want to line the pockets, nor be interested in developing a sustainable long term football club and seek to use the media for a tit for tat vendetta.

I for one cannot believe the hunger of the Scottish media to what seems to appear to have the demise of Rangers. If this does happen, will there still be a need for all those journalists, football phone ins, sponsorships revenue etc... Something about biting the hand that feeds you, comes to mind.

So all in all I can only say that the sooner we get administration and/or liquidation out the way the better as it cannot get any worse after that.

As a supporter I would much rather Rangers had a policy of only buying players within a certain age range 17-24, this would eventually lead to hopefully some sell on transfers and help our finances.

Just look at Arsenal, always willing to give the youngsters a try and they have even purchased another in this January window for a few hundred thousand.

We have a first class training facility, why don't we have a first class youth academy? Having strong grass roots will provide the foundations for a secure and healthy club.

Finally rather than having a reactive approach to the mess the past has left us. We should be an innovative club who has a clear direction with both clarity and honesty.

Off to get a cuppa...

Talk about turkey's voting for Christmas!

What a sad and negative person. We are fans! Not fkn naive. Nothin wrong with us supporting our team regardless of it's state.

Some of your points in the post I agree with, other bits I can understand, but don't see eye to eye with you. Firstly, yes Hibs got a player we had on trial, but did we really need him, we got plenty of cover on the bench for midfielders.
Secondly, Everyone and their uncle are asking Whyte to come clean and tell us everything, but I don't see that as a wise move at this time, not wanting to give any information away until the taxcase verdict is in and then will be the time to set the record straight. I believe him when he says he is trying to Save us, does anyone honestly think he will rip us off, run away with money when his Family are all living a few miles away. I think that notion is ludicrous in the extreme.

As for Rangers going out of business all together, Sponsorship of the League, Cups and T.V would be very difficult if not impossible to renew at current rates. We are already a 3rd rate nation in EUFA eyes with both teams, if either went we would be no better than the league of wales and Ireland (no disrespect intended) it would in my opinion cause a lot of hardship for everyone, the east end mob included - If Rangers go Newco - I would rather they went to the Conference as London Rangers than the Scottish 3rd division as Rangers 2012. )I know that's probably not possible with cross border rules etc, but I like the Idea none the less.

Pete

Yea and i like the idea of waking up to find £20 million pushed thru my door but thats unlikely.so whats your point?

02 Feb 2012 21:17:39
aw the fellow blue noses we should stop complaining about how oor team is being run and give our team the support it needs at the present time so lets get right behind the bears and give them the motivation we need to take this title and see what happens to tax case situation

Nobodys having a go at the team....its mr whyte and co,fans arent happy at whats going on behind the scenes...you can still support the team without supporting the new owner.

Agree m8,we've been on the brink for the last 4 or 5 years,maybe more

,yet we keep comin up wi the trophies!
amo.

02 Feb 2012 20:49:20
Could I please explain VAT to some of the rumour mongers who don't seem to understand the concept.
Firstly, you do NOT pay VAT on a loan.
VAT is payed, as a company quarterly on SALES only within that period.
Therefore Rangers, like every company, like my own, pay VAT only on incoming sales.
There is no VAT bill on the 24M loan, only when the season tickets, catering etc "sales" are registered VAT becomes due.........

Tom.

What's VAT ?

Yours sincerely
Mr C Whyte

And Tom, could I explain to you how advance seasdon ticket sales work.

Firstly they are not a loan.

Ticketus purchase advance season tickets from Rangers at a discounted price to what will be the face value of the tickets. The key here is that they are purchasing tickets in advance, it is NOT A LOAN, it is as you would say an "incoming sale".

At the time of issue of the seaon books, Ticketus then sell the tickets on at full face value (most likely using Rangers for the administration of issuing them) and by selling them on at full face value this is how they make their profit.

As such VAT is payable on the advance purchase by Ticketus from Rangers, and the payment of VAT is due to HMRC within one month following the VAT quarter the tickets are issued in.

Given the advance sales took place in May and June 2011, the VAT on the sales should have been paid by now.

Dont talk turkish..it is a loan secured against future season ticket sales...that is why it is repayable...

VAT is only paid by the final buyer of any item. So Ticketus have bought the tickets from us minus VAT then they will sell them on for a higher price, the higher price will include the VAT. Therefor meaning we dont have a VAT bill from the sale of the season tickets as we were not the final sellers of them.

Vat is Complicated - but there is a Helpline - I think I will call and ask the question, get some wee lassie from East Kilbride to explain how it all works :-)

Pete

Quite simple really, we raised capital on the strength of future sales, therefore at the moment the sales have not happened and no VAT is due until the VAT periods when sales do happen.
VAT can be complicated at times but its not exactly rocket science.
We did not sell three years season tickets to ticitus or whoever, we simply borrowed capital on future sales like any business does.
I could go to the bank today and borrow money through my company on the strength of future sales.
Tom

Simple. if you are VAT registered any item you sell must have VAT added to it(exceptions on food outlets for take away only)

02 Feb 2012 20:36:14
Why is no-one in the media asking Craig Whyte the right questions. The statements he is making are very ambiguous. He needs to be asked the following:

1. You say that you never used the fans money (from advance season ticket sales) in your takeover of Rangers. If that because you only paid £1 for the club, so naturally you only used your own money.

2. You say you used your own money to pay of the debt to Lloyds. Can you tell us to which account the advance ticket money was paid into, was it directly to Rangers FC or another company that you own. If it was paid into another company that you own, did you then pay of Lloyds bank from that company, and that is why you can say that you used your own company to pay of the debt.

3. In any event, can you provide us with documentary evidence that provides an audit trail to show how the debt was paid off.

4. And the biggest question Mr Whyte, if the £24.4m from advance season ticket sales was not used to pay of Lloyds, WHERE IS THAT MONEY NOW.

5. If the £24.4m was paid into Rangers bank account at the beginning of May, why was it necessary to sell Jelavic.

6. You claim it was only 3 years ticket sales rather than 4 years that were sold in advance. Does that not make the matter worse as greater amounts will have to be repaid earlier, meaning increased financial pressure.

7. Can you confirm that the monies received for the 3 or 4 years season ticket sales is a transaction that is treated as advanced season ticket sales and as such is liable to VAT, and is not treated as a loan.

8. Can you confirm the exact amount of advance season ticket sales received, net of VAT.

9. Can you confirm that the VAT in respect of these advance ticket sales has been paid to HMRC and when.

Thank god you seem to understand exactly the questions that need answered. There seem to still be ppl that believe in whyte, by saying the £24m plus last years season ticket sales plus jelavic would be about £40m and this will be used to clear any tax bill. However if that was the case then whyte would state that, after all it would be about the first time since he took over that the fans would welcome some news. I think that if it looks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it is probably a duck. If you hear more lies and more lies it is probably being said by a liar.
I have to say that Whyte has got some set of big brass balls, he seems to have no shame, seems to pay no attention to severe critisim, and never gives answers. As soon as somebody prints or reports something that he doesn't like, he throws his toys out the pram. He just says not true but never explains. If it is not true, tell us the truth.
I am afraid that appears to be increasingly unlikely, unless we step up the pressure.

The season tickets were sold off after he took over the club. yes. the debt was paid to the bank when taking over the club. yes. the season ticket money was and is being used for the day to day running of the football club. lots of football teams sell the season tickets in advanced to Ticketus and nothing has been said about them. If you need money then why not use what is available to you. e.g. say your car wasnt working and you could sell something now and get the money to help you run your car would you not do it?

All Whyte has done is use the money which we would have gotten in the next few years now to keep us afloat.

Yes, what a brilliant Idea, lets tell the taxman, hit us with the biggest bill you've got I've got the money to deal with it, lol

Why do you think people try to hide things from the taxman, It's been happening for over a 1000, years when farmers hid sheep and cattle from them, .. the more you tell them you have, the more they will take, can you not see that? any line of questioning around VAT or Tax should be avoided in the current circumstances, a 5 year old would know that ffs.

Pete

And what does he do in the next few years when he has not got that money coming in from tickets. The man is ripping your club apart. He is working to administration now this may not be ethical but it is the best outcome for your club.

I think whyte is
1 working to admin
2 Playing the taxman
3 playing the fans
4 Asset stripping
5 Going to sell the club after you come out of administration for a massive profit as you lot will be virtually debt free.
6 not going to give a flying Feck if you win nothing while all this is happening.

Ian

No too many teams sell four years' worth of future ticket sales off now- any that have have generally gone into the toilet for a protracted period- Leeds and Newcastle. Rangers have done it for years as a means of short-term financing, to smooth out cashflow over the business cycle for a football club, when expenses outweigh income in springtime, this is conventional and understandable. What Whyte has done certainly is not conventional anyone can see. Stockpiling cash as a means to meeting a tax bill if it is that is acceptable. The lingering doubts about how he paid lloyds off and fact he seemed to do the deal with ticketus prior to formally taking over the club are not.

Quite simple really, we raised capital on the strength of future sales, therefore at the moment the sales have not happened and no VAT is due until the VAT periods when sales do happen.
VAT can be complicated at times but its not exactly rocket science.
We did not sell three years season tickets to ticitus or whoever, we simply borrowed capital on future sales like any business does.
I could go to the bank today and borrow money through my company on the strength of future sales.
Tom

Tom

You completely miss the point once again. You have SOLD 3 or 4 years of season tickets to Ticketus and you have sold them NOW. It is a SALE and it is a sale that has taken place NOW. This sale has indeed been used as a way of raising capital as you say, but it is not a loan. Rangers have to charge VAT on the advanced sale of these tickets to Ticketus because they are a sale and as such are liable to pay this VAT to HMRC.

The Ticketus business model is based on Ticketus BUYING advance tickets for events at below face value and selling them in the future at face value for a profit. As such this is not a loan.

If it was a loan, Ticket us would provide a cash sum to Rangers as a loan and then Rangers would repay the loan from the future sale of season books. This is not what happens. If this was what happens, then you would be correct, but you are not.

02 Feb 2012 20:02:36
This is my first post 23 year old rangers season ticket holder all my life been good times , now for the bad, but I do still think we will win the league , maybe bring in Riodren free agents proven spl player , my team would be :4-3-3

Macgregor, whittaker, gioan , boc, Wallace, Davis, edu, McKay, aluko, celkik, target man up front : the jig! Would hold the ball up great for aluko and celkik.
Nae dough but 4 in a row is on the way ! Jc

You were doing well with your first post son until you mentioned the JIG

JG

Can i ask?Why is he called Jig?

And McKay, granted he should get a chance but ppl hammer on about playin him as if he is gonna be great

Jig as in Jigsaw....goes to pieces in the box.

Baybear

Doesn't have to be great, just good enough and would sit nicely in the left side of a 3 man midfield. That would be my team but will agree with JG, no jig, would have to be laugherty when fit, or maybe Hemmings. But for now, Healy will do.

pappy

02 Feb 2012 19:39:57
I think dermot Desmond should buy rangers then knock it down and put a big statue infront of the listed stand of Neil Lennon.we should worship him for he's the closest thing to sir Alex ferguson!!the players he's bought with a sell on value is brilliant.Peter lawwell is that good at his job he could sell sand to the Arabs.sorry use have gordan smith. Hail hail rusty the tim

This will be the manager that failed last season and the only reason this year is that Rangers are falling to pieces.

& what exactly has he achieved? over hyped players who aren't anything special.

Sugar daddy des is busy enough bailing your mob out every year but you probably believe its the leprachauns that are clearing your debt

JG

Dermot Desmond could turn it into an old folks home......on second thoughts better not!

02 Feb 2012 19:23:13
just like the gangsters do when the courts are trying to asset strip them, hide everythin, shift things about, make it hard to trace [virgin isles account]. plead poverty, the gangster might have been rich 5 years ago.. but here he is in court in his only pair of jeans and holy shoes on. cannae even afford a jacket ! How the f*** can the court take millions aff him, he's skint... gonnae huv tae just fine him £750 and gie him probation.... watch this space fellow gers... whyte is our gangster..on our side.. fightin our corner.. slashing jelavic..stabbing the old board... he's playin the game fellow bears... never mind what he says in the press.. gangsters tell the polis nothin... im positive whyte knows exactly what he's doing, just wish fellow fans would think b4 they react to media stories

But phil mitchell's banged up! green jhedi

Always thought the same a street fighter
we were always doomed its how we play this bad hand we have, well said sir.......les

02 Feb 2012 19:15:20
See if rangers do go into admin and then re launch as a new team/company and start splashing the cash and dominating Scottish football once again a bet aw the 'bhoys' Wil be on here shouting games a bogey and this isny fair conspiracys and greetin fur there mammys al be loving it bhoys and dimaloy can make sum new ditties WE WILL STILL BE THE PEOPLE! jacko

02 Feb 2012 18:56:01
a see aw the hoff six warriors on here again, spewin oot aw the s**te thats been media fed to them fur dinner..... shame on you's... see u again at 10.40 2nite lads.. in whyte and ally we trust cos in whyte and ally we must.... watp

Lol aye nae bother mate enjoy the 3rd division.

Aye guid yin mate u dont even leave a name whyte is filth not even a gers fan was a mwell fan FACT

T-Bear

In Whyte and Ally yer bust.

T-bear you must be a celtic fan

Did we look bothered when we were hammering hubs with out him? A wasn't a was in the singing section at ibrox lovin it mate haha so yer wee joke was p*sh.

02 Feb 2012 18:25:56
I have a season ticket for 28 years & go to all away games .next season i wont renew my ticket not giving mr whyte my money up front i will pay as i go next season.

02 Feb 2012 18:19:19
If rangers do go bust would that mean I'd be a creditor seeing that a own 2 bricks at ibrox...and if that's the case could I then take over the team?

You put the same post again so i will give you the same reply

take your two bricks put them between yer legs and clatter them together

JG

If i was you mate i'd take my 2 bricks just now before Mr Whyte and Mr Ellis flog them !

02 Feb 2012 17:59:01
To all you ppl arguing that "McCoist is a bad manager" or "whyte is a crook, he's ruining out club" how many of you have managed a football club or ran a company?
An old saying: a wiseman has something to say, An idiot has to say something. It's fair to have opinion, but 9 times out 10 it's just idiots talking p*sh!

And you are one of the nine

Time to pull your head out of the sand , the man is leading your club to the brink , and all you idiots are towing the party line , wake up and smell the coffee lads before its too late , Celtic fans saved our club by forcing the old board out , but you idiots are actually backing a board that is ruining your club .

Yous forced your board out don't make us laugh.sure yous jumped about like headless chickens got yourselfs nowhere hours from completely going to the wall until the Bunnet save yous .so don't come on here with your cr#p.we done this we done that

I'm one of the 9? Why, which one of these did I state I was for? None! Your just "one of the 9" idiots that I was referring to. On you go messiah, let's hear your mighty word? Pfff bell end!

02 Feb 2012 17:30:17
ok so nobody knows the ins and outs of our finances as it stand we have no concrete proof of mr white doing anything to hurt the club we have Rumors and news paper articles! remember men lie woman lie numbers don't so until we see them let's wait and see!

next if any of u attend games then u will be fully aware that jelavic's heart was not in it for a while now, despite what is said he wanted to leave, he wasn't offering us much recently! he did a great service for us and I thank him for that.

we have a squad who are 1 point behind and have every chance but only with our SUPPORT so let's try and concentrate on doing that instead of letting the media and there lot fill our heads with unproven Rumors!

at times like this we need to back the team, management and staff fully instead of giving in and speculating on paper talk!

4 in a row

sh3ll

02 Feb 2012 17:20:22
WHY?? are the fans believing every little stab into whytes back from the media... the media.. the media... the truthful media eh? Start backing this guy!! cos he's the one [and the only one] thats going to get us thru this.... quicker than most of you think... daily rebel etc needs boycotted not craig whyte {Ed014's Note - Isn't th Record the same paper that were hyping Whyte up before and after the takeover?

A think that's a fair comment mate, if Anyone can get us out if this it's this guy. No offence ED but a paper would change it's tune in order to get readers, no sweat. The media are far worse ppl than Craig whyte. {Ed014's Note - No doubt.I agree but football fans believe or disbelieve what ever suits them at the time.It shouldn't work that way.Rangers fans believed that Whyte was a billionaire,Celtic fans didn't.Yesterdays stories were believed by Celtic fans yet Rangers fans rubbished them as lies.See a pattern there.You can't have it both ways.

The Record is a rag but that still does not make the shyte night less of a crook

But you have forgot that people are idiot's Ed014

pappy {Ed001's Note - that is a very good point, they are sheep and will follow whatever suits them best, in the main.}

02 Feb 2012 16:15:54
Here we go with this "more squad depth" patter. They still had more squad depth when we were 15 points clear. Anyone with sense and knowledge of the game can see that we've blown it for three reasons, and none of them are Craig Whyte.

The first is the loss of form of our "key" players. Davis, Whittaker & Jelavic to name a few.

The second is Naismiths injury. It's obvious the influence he has on our team is huge, more than any other player. But no point in moping around, our other players should have no problem stepping up and beating St Mirren, St Johnstone etc at Ibrox. But the sad fact is they didn't.

The third, and most significant contribution, is the fact that, like it or not, Ally McCoist is simply a terrible manager. He is negative, he is boring, he is naive, he has no plan B, he is tactically horrible, has a terrible habit of playing players out of position. Need I go on?

Now, it's so easy to blame Whyte, saying he didn't back McCoist enough. Rubbish. He backed him enough to have a squad of players capable of earning a 15 point lead. But now that leads gone due to the factors I mentioned, it's all Whyte's fault? People saying this are in denial.

Whyte has his head screwed on the right way. He realises we have to live within our means, and I believe we will all thank him one day. He has everything to lose in terms of reputation, why would he put himself in the position of letting millions of people down, in public, by screwing us over.

People say you're not a real Rangers fan if you blame McCoist. Well the fact is, if you can't see that McCoist isn't up to the job then you're knowledge of football is severley lacking.

TIME FOR SOME PEOPLE TO TAKE THE ALLY TINTED SPECS OFF!

Steven.

Just exactly what is Craig Whytes reputation? A trail of failed companys and a history of not paying bills on time! Your laughable to suggest people take off there tinted specs when clearly YOU NEED SPECS!

Yes McCoist is naive but then so was Lennon last year, every manager makes mistakes in their first year. He's supposed to be a legend, and you lot slate him constantly. Behave and get behind your manager. The man has fought tooth and nail to bring in Danns, Conway, Hemed, Verhoek, Cueller, Goodwillie, Brozek and Holt.

Whyte is the man you should be moaning about, he's happy to unfurl the flag and do Davie Weir's presentation, but refuses to hold AGM, speak to the press or declare his history. He refuses to back Ally properly and attempts to sign unknown indians and aussies! He says he will sue anyone that says anything against him, then doesn't do! Time to wake up gentlemen, Whyte is killing your club..........he was a motherwell fan and a venture capitalist FFS!

DazzaBhoy

Well said steven my son...... its all whytes fault eh, us losing 12 pt gap n that.... lets start getting behind whyte ! he's the guy trying to fix the mess !

Ally tinted specs? lol.....

You cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Whyte is a lying kn*b

Steven , Rangers have more to worry about than what players Ally signed , if this all goes tits up Rangers won't have ANY players , Mr Whyte has to show the Rangers fans he is the man to get the club out of this mess , at the moment that doesn't seem to be the case , you can blame Ally all you want , but its not down to him .

02 Feb 2012 15:15:24
HMRC told Arsenal they owed £300mill but HMRC accepted £10mill. So Craig Whyte is confident of winning this tax case

Lol you wish

Sadly unrelated case and did not go to tribunal

Aye 10mill a year ya donkey.

02 Feb 2012 14:36:11
Following on from our 'Arry and his dog Rosie's offshore account.......
Suspicions were raised today when it was realised that Mr Whyte had acquired 4 horses, 2 donkeys, a shetland pony, 4 geese, 2 ducks, 3 rabbits, a gerbil and a cockatoo (Timalloy investigative reporter)

I can also Exclusively reveal that Glasgow Rangers will shortly unveil a big name signing
ADMINISTRATOR!!

Nursery finish early today Tim Alloy? showed that posting to a celtic mate of mine there - he's embarassed and says your joke is p*sh, spell your tag right, no wonder you don't go to games son!

Tell your mate at "work" he can't be much of a Hoops fan if he thinks that isn't how to spell Timalloy. I suppose you think your shower are actually called Glasgow Rangers?Never seen that on any club merchandise.You would know that if you could afford to buy any right enoug.Maybe the stuff from the Barras says it but it's still not their name.Try reading or get someone to read for you,you might learn something lmao

02 Feb 2012 13:51:19
Im not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not. But what if this missing estimated 40million is to pay the tax bill if we lose. But what if we win, what will happen to this 40million? Will Whtye use it to dig us out of a hole and give Ally some to spend? I cant wait untill the result of this tax bill, everything will become much clearer........i think.
Tully

You dont have £40 million, that is the problem

02 Feb 2012 13:41:17
all gers fans.read michael grant in todays herald for some FACTS re your current woes. green jhedi

02 Feb 2012 13:03:39
So we sold Jelavic and apparently now we are preparing to liquidise according to some posters on here. Or possibly we sold Jelavic to allow us to receive a fair price for our most valuable asset in the possible circumstance we lose this tax case. Maybe we could shed a possible good light on this matter for a change and maybe with the season ticket issue and Jelavic we may just have a certain £30m banked for a rainy day. After all stranger things have happened.

You sold Jelly cause he downed tools and it gave the shyte night an excuse to cash in

02 Feb 2012 12:18:00
Hello, Everton fan here. Not trying to rub salt in the wounds, don't worry, just wanted to know what are Jelavic's main qualities and will he succeed in the EPL?

Good player. Can hold the ball up, link up play well, good finisher with both feet and decent in the air. He will 100% score goals at Everton and is better than what you have up front now. Him and Cahil should be a good combo

J

Scores goals , holds the ball up well, half decent set peice taker also started taking long throw ins for us i know wtf, but head gets turned easy been off form for a bit now cause of transfer, dont doubt for a minute he will score good amount of goals if a decent frontman beside him.. craigy+babybear

He will play well for a year then spit the dummy out like he did a rapid and gers

The guy is a dud. He will get found out in the EPL. Pity the 6-7 million he brought in wont be enough to sign the ball-boy from Shettleston Juniors

Scored goals in spl against celtic and no.

Your chairmans a bigger tosser than ours....trueblue....

To the Everton fan... you tube... nicika jelavic magic...... its a 4 min video of jelavic goals from last season... i kno its not the best league up here, but as the video will show, he is a great finisher

Jelavic is a good player and the price was about right at the time, he wins just about everything in the air and was played as a lone striker most of the time, when he played with a partner (miller or lafferty) he scored and made goals regularly, i wish him all the best.
Bazbear

Hes a donkey,artybhoy

Arty.. are you six years old? I have read a few of your posts and the word immature springs to mind each and every time. PTHBear

02 Feb 2012 12:06:52
please post this ed: i am very disgruntled gers fan and not happy about all these unanswered questions regarding our famous club but i would just like 2 ask my fellow bears at this sad time ally and the players need our support more than ever..so lets get behind them starting on sunday follow follow..Whitey R.F.C

Agree mate i was mighty peed off last few days , now just want to crack on support the team and who knows we might just surprise them, imagine that winning the league this year would be the best yet.. craigy+babybear

02 Feb 2012 11:32:10
It would be to my understanding that HMRC would prefer to come some arrangement regarding a fee to clear the tax bill. If Rangers were declared insolvent and were handed a winding up order to my understanding they would not have assets which would come near £49m, so a settlement out of court so to speak would be up HMRC's street. I am not an expert, its just a thought/idea that would maybe back up claims of a "settlement" of sorts.

Yogi-bear
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HMRC are not intrested in Rangers survival they will not care if we go out of buisness . They are trying to set an example to other clubs that have used EBT's that if they dont pay they will be hammered .

there are 3 Premiership Clubs who have used EBT's such as Man City who are waiting to see the outcome of our case . And they owe a lot more money than us. If HMRC do a deal then every other will want a deal . Plus David Cameron has stated that HMRC have to take a harder stance on company's who owe taxes .

I don't like it anymore than you but we have to find some other way to pay.

Its not that EBT's are illegal,its the way rangers used them to avoid PAYE and NI contributions.the letters to the players exempting them from payments is whats gonna kill them green jhedi

HMRC collect money for our government to run our country, to keep our residents safe, healthy and happy. They will not be overly keen to close down a football club of Rangers standing and level of support.
People keep comparing our situation to normal companies. Football clubs are quite unique business's. I'm not saying it's impossible, but think it'd be the very last resort.

pappy

02 Feb 2012 10:14:18
hi ed do you reckon mc coist has now upset craig whyte enough to get the sack ...i mean a substantial points loss over the period of a month .coupled with demends for replacement players when the whole world knows that we are skint ...jelevics cash will be used to beat back some of the flames ..i totally agree with whytes stance on this matter and back him fully ...

Where is the 24m from the season tickets then chief?

J

Would you sack him and have to pay his contract? the clue is mccoist having to run to ibrox on tuesday,if you had a good relationship with your chairman surely you would be together on deadline day working on deals? mccoist aint gonna come out of this smelling of roses either. green jhedi

I have said in the past him and whyte are stuck together like velcro,ally is as two faced as s**tehawks whyte...trueblue....

02 Feb 2012 05:32:11
Im not sur how I can get this across to you
but Ill try....we have a debt of say for arguments sake of 70 million pounds..and thats more than anyone here can afford obviously!Manchester united has debts of 700+million and they are still
bombing along happily not speculation or controversy there!Sir alex ferguson
manager ,genius,knight,big favourite of our capitalist society has been a real torch in our time
for Britain business success on the field anhd off
and look where we are as a nation and where the mighty glasgow rangers are as a football ing
joke we have seriously been in decline
for the last 40 yrs!! time to sort it out.

Yes, manchester united do have massive debts but they also have massive income streams unlike rangers. completely different scenario

Man utds turnover is huge.if you had ever been to the far east you would know,its scary how many utd tops you see.i think ferguson might argue he's a capitalist tho! green jhedi

I think you should try again mate as i dont get your point at all

If all is happy at man utd why did a group of fans start their own team and why do thousands of fans wear green and yellow scarfs in protest every week

JG

@JG:the green and yellow thing has kinda died a death after ferguson backed the glazers.they were concerned at the level of debt and no investment in the team.when the figures came to light it seems to have placated them,what i think might happen to whyte. green jhedi

02 Feb 2012 02:57:19
as much as we love super ally he is starting to do the same to us as "whyte" has been doing.when jelavic came on the park at everton he looked perfectly fine.when he came out and said the jelavic was ill and that was why he never played on saturday,you could have just been honest and said that he had to be sold and that we could not afford for him to get injured,simple.but for you to lie is unreal.do they think we can take the truth as fans.if we are told the truth then we can accept it and move on but to lie just brings you into contempt.ally don't lie to the fans just to cover put for "whyte".

The thing is YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!


Ian

He cant publicaly say sorry gers fans but he cannot play as he MIGHT be sold. 1.it would maybe lower his price, 2. it looks very bad from jelly and i dont beleive he wanted to leave on bad terms, 3. any dell could fall through. Jelly did it at rapid coming to us. but i agree with u pal, he could just say im resting the player instaid of this ill nonsense.
TODD88

02 Feb 2012 09:13:36
I see Robin hood is saying he,s put £55million in to rangers so18 million moved to 1 of his dodgie companies renewing whittikar, mcgregor,Davis and a couple a younger players contract upgraded sound system , kiosks oh and they dodgie screens that are cheap looking,

All the stadium work was done using a grant from the commonwealth games fund.

02 Feb 2012 01:29:32
F*ck the doom and gloom, Aluko player of the month and can play up front, Hemmings almost fit and an excellent prospect as well as Little, Cellik looks immense (just have to youtube his name) and can play up front. Healys not amazing but i'd bet with more gametime he will get more than a few poachers goals which we've missed since Boyd, Lafferty back soon and gets about 15 goals a season reguardless of whether you like him or not, more of a chance to see Bedoya (another decent prospect that hasn't seen game time because of defensive midfield setup which will now have to get changed to be more attacking) McKay was man of the match against Chelsea and will probably be included now due to the loans and need for more attacking style of play. Kerkar had a bit of a shakey start but seems to play well whenever he's had the chance recently including a sweet finish against arbroath (fair enough not an amazing team but you saw the technique, not the type of technique from a s**t player)

We should all just f*ckin wheesht and see what they can bring before goin on and on about how terrible the team is

Also, hats off to the celtic fans voicing thier concerns and support during the tax fiasco, but we're not done yet.

INTAE THUM.

Good post son.

GDog
WATP

Well said INTAE THUM i agree with you 100%, we scored 7 goals in the last couple of games without Jelly,
healy, aluko, celik, wallace, davis, edu need to step up and produce the goods, more work should also be done on set
plays the number of goals we score from corners and free kicks is pathetic right now

by the way, are you really Ally McCoist

JG

Wont argue with any ot this and your dedication is admirable ,but still have an asset stripping crook in charge and forget about the football ,thats the biggest concern

You mist be talking through drink or just pure faith, Hemmings and little are crap, celik is immense? Gazza was immense, healy will get injuried at some, lafferty got a run upfront couple of years ago himself and was garbage jelavic made him look a good player, mckay got motm in a friendly must be some player, stop kidding yourself on.

This guy is right now lets all sing follow follow altogether now

Check out bangura on youtube , he looks immense too, get the point , youtube just show the good bits

Best post ive seen on here for a long time done a similar one the other day got slated it is a banter page and i think the rate were going we should have Rumours, Banter and a financial woes page!
Most of these players have gave us plenty to cheer about in recent seasons what 1st team players have we lost Weir,Bougherra and Jela
Replaced with Goian Boca and just say Cellick get behind the team Injuries are unfortunate but we are Glasgow Rangers the best team in the land!
No Surrender
Larky Bear

Bangura COULD be amazing, but he's been injured? whats your point caller? Cellik has been scoring at international level.